Isaac
Last month

Sydney Kings sign Xavier Cooks on multi-year deal

Serious prospect, so good to have him in AU, just wish it was with another team!

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Anonymous  
Last month

Yeah, if it was not over before it definitely is now. Doesn't he have family ties to the Illawarra Hawks?

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Senator11  
Last month

How the hell are the Kings still signing players?!?

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Bill Scibilia  
Last month

Salary Cap anyone?

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Anonymous  
Last month

Is Will Weaver still the Boomers assistant?

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Anonymous  
Last month

Who cares about the salary cap. They signed him. Great for Australia, but not great for competition. There still is only 5 players on the court at one time and one basketball, but that essentially is where the positives end for the rest of the teams.

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Cram  
Last month

Yeah the most expensive roster in the history of the league adding another fat contract seems great for the stability of the league.

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Anonymous  
Last month

Patiently waits for the posts saying that Joey Wright was instrumental in getting Cooks back to Australia and all praise should be with him and Adelaide.

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Isaac  
Last month

Can't blame him for skipping the Hawks though.

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Anonymous  
Last month

Cram, according to Bogut how much their team costs is dramatically incorrect and they are not anywhere remotely close to projections, so you never know. Maybe Cooks signed for $45k?

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Cram  
Last month

"Cram, according to Bogut how much their team costs is dramatically incorrect and they are not anywhere remotely close to projections, so you never know. Maybe Cooks signed for $45k?"

And maybe he signed for free because he's getting great exposure right?

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Anonymous  
Last month

"Great for Australia, but not great for competition."

Exactly. How long do you think the NBL will survive when two teams are allowed to take the piss and spend three or four times the amount of other teams?

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BeeGee  
Last month

Looks like Kuany has been let go to make way for Cooks.

https://nbl.com.au/news/sydney-sign-xavier-cooks-on-multi-year-deal

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Titan 82  
Last month

Absolute gun

Don't think he will be in Aus forever though - likely just a pickup till the end of the season, as he plays his way back into shape

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XztatiK  
Last month

Is he replacing someone on current roster?

Ware
Lisch
Newley
Tate
Bogut
Bruce
Didi (NS)
Hunter
Kuany
Kickert
Moller
L Walker

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Anonymous  
Last month

shit they interview Cooks saying he would be playing in France

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Anonymous  
Last month

Hilarious, so many salty cats fans jumping on this already. "the Nbl just wants a Sydney Melbourne grand final, its BS that they're allowed to spend so much money".

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Anonymous  
Last month

Melbourne still spending the most.

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Anonymous  
Last month

Every team in Australia had the chance to sign him up not just Sydney, if your team didn't sign him, have a go at them for not picking him up first.

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Anonymous  
Last month

I did hear Didi could be going back to the NBA this year, I am guessing next year newley will retire

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Anonymous  
Last month

(Exactly. How long do you think the NBL will survive when two teams are allowed to take the piss and spend three or four times the amount of other teams?)

Sounds like your teams needs more money.

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Mock  
Last month

Wow, what a move!

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Anonymous  
Last month

"Every team in Australia had the chance to sign him"

Did they? Only one team has got a current Boomers coach as their head coach...not sure that puts all teams on a level playing field for recruiting talent.

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Anonymous  
Last month

"Sounds like your teams needs more money."

I'm guessing you're not old enough to know what happened to the league the last time there was an arms race.

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Mock  
Last month

Does someone have a roster spot open for Kuany now that he has been sadly cut?

Good kid!

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Anonymous  
Last month

And every team had the opportunity to sign Will Weaver. Everyone here is so salty haha. Don't be mad because your team's management can't get deals done!

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Anonymous  
Last month

The pelicans can access Didi any time after the 31 of December.

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J  
Last month

When the top team in the league, that is top with a star sidelined, a dubious next star (import), and arguably the most expensive or one off the most expensive rosters assembled signs what would have been a World Cup (not qualifiers) Aussie boomer, yeah I think fans can question the direction of the competition. Starting to stink of overseas soccer.

Does it mean they win it all, no, are they the overwhelming favourites yes. Do I hope it all falls apart spectacularly, no doubt. Do I think it will, not a chance.

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Anonymous  
Last month

(Did they? Only one team has got a current Boomers coach as their head coach...not sure that puts all teams on a level playing field for recruiting talent.)

Why? all the NBL teams can sign whoever they want are you suggesting Will Weaver (who was an assistant coach for the boomers and hasn't been named in the new role as yet) had some sort of inside knowledge and used it to his advantage?
All NBL teams had a chance to sign him, it sounds like your team needs a better head coach and more money.

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alexkrad  
Last month

If you think this is anything but bullshit, you're probably a Sydney fan

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Anonymous  
Last month

No one complaining when Perth were next to rooted and Cotton was signed which meant Perth went on to win the championship, or Prather to Melbourne and they won the championship.

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Anonymous  
Last month

(I'm guessing you're not old enough to know what happened to the league the last time there was an arms race.)

Maybe, I've only been following the NBL since 1988 it’s had its ups and downs in that time but this year is the best it’s ever been.
But it definitely sounds like your team needs more money or a better coach.

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Ware2Bogut  
Last month

A would say it is a decent signing. Hopefully he can produce more than kuany. He looks like a promising prospect and could play some spot minutes. Give the rings to the kings.

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Anonymous  
Last month

Every team in the league had the chance to sign Cotton or Prather

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ahmed  
Last month

Did the kings sign him as a development player?

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Rico  
Last month

He would of been a good fit on the Hawks though.

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AngusH  
Last month

Pfft. A lot of bitter folks here. Even with Cooks I doubt Sydney are outspending Melbourne, but I also don't give a shit either way. If we can afford him, great. Like has been said already, anyone could have signed him, and the multi-year deal is probably what made this work. I'm sure Weaver didn't hurt, especially if he's still an assistant with the Boomers. Helps that he seems a pretty likable and knowledgeable coach with good US/NBA connections. Good stuff (for a Kings fan), but I don't see it as "unfair".

I also don't think this moves the needle significantly one way or the other this season, but a great future signing and a guy who should slot in to Lisch/Newleys starting spot when they retire.

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Ben  
Last month

I don't barrack for any team as such, just a big follower of the league in general. I’m very happy Xavier is now on board in the comp!

I understand the frustration of other team supporters, but putting together a legendary team doesn’t guarantee a title. Will still has to 'weave’ his magic and manage PT, cohesion and all that.

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Anonymous  
Last month

Prather only ended up in Melbourne because Perth low balled him and expected him to crawl back and accept less money.

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Anonymous  
Last month

How are Melbourne outspending Sydney? Sydney have MUCH more depth, already had Bogut on $1m plus per season, and then landed Ware after Melbourne could not afford to match the money that Sydney put to him. Sydney are spending significantly more than Melbourne, no doubts, who are spending significantly more than Cairns. But since it is allowed, it is not like Sydney are cheating by doing so (Didi as next star issue aside), and it should not be used as a slur against them or any potential successes that come their way.

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Anonymous  
Last month

Xavier Cook has to be a starter

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Anonymous  
Last month

"But it definitely sounds like your team needs more money"

Why do you keep saying this? If one team is allowed to spend $4mill, and most of the other teams can only afford to spend $1mill, then all teams need more money.

Where is this money coming from?

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Anonymous  
Last month

If they can afford to pay more money than other teams, then more credit to them.

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Anonymous  
Last month

Yeah, credit to them for buying a title while other teams go broke.

but that still doesnt answer my question. where do the poorer clubs get money from? why should they have to make money magically appear just to keep up with a team that is spending four times as much?

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Anonymous  
Last month

(Every team in the league had the chance to sign Cotton or Prather)

Yep^
Every team has the chance to sign anyone they want.

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Anonymous  
Last month

If you cannot afford a house on Hollywood Boulevard, then don't complain about the people who can.

If you cannot afford an NBL team, or the cost of competing in the NBL is no longer sustainable for you, then either sell your team or change something. Cairns have the ability to find very solid imports on the cheap. Their talent identification in that respect is above average. There are other ways to improve and be competitive besides just "keeping up with the Jones"

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Anonymous  
Last month

Cooks is barely nbl1 level. Will be a bench warmer for the kings just like kuany was.

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Anonymous  
Last month

He made the Aussie Boomers team legit. Better than Mitch Creek, who didn't make the team. Great signing. Well done Kings, huge get.

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Anonymous  
Last month

(Why do you keep saying this? If one team is allowed to spend $4mill, and most of the other teams can only afford to spend $1mill, then all teams need more money. )

Wow 1mil no wonder your team is doing so badly. Are you saying the kings spend 4 million and all the other teams in the league are spending 1 million, pleeeeese

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Anonymous  
Last month

"If you cannot afford a house on Hollywood Boulevard, then don't complain about the people who can."

That is completely understating the point. When your livelihood depends on attracting people to the games, which becomes increasingly difficult as your team becomes less and less competitive, then its not about being envious, its about a lack of parity in the competition.

Your solution for the poorer clubs seems to be "have you tried being less poor?" Well done, ScoMo.

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AngusH  
Last month

Literally every championship winning team bought a title, unless guys were playing for free. Perth have long been one of the top spenders in the league, so it's a bit rich (pardon the pun) for Perth fans to get salty now. Perth will be in the fight come finals time, no doubt, and Cotton would be one of the top 3-5 paid guys in the league at absolute worst.

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Anonymous  
Last month

Lets be honest, if you cant see how wrong this is, then your are either a troll or a retard, and either way should be banned for life.
Sydney were already spending millions more than any other team. That is an indisputable fact. So please stop pretending all these great players are playing for peanuts just for the privilege of playing for Sydney.
Just because Blogut says they should make salaries public, knowing full well that they never will, doesn't make his claims true.
Clearly Sydney are nolonger bothering to comply with the 5-man cap, so yeah, blatant cheating.
As people rightly point out, it was challenging for teams to keep up with Perth, Melbourne, and NZ. How are they supposed to manage when Sydney is now spending 3 time that amount.
This is extremely bad for the league. Anyone that refuses to see that is fucked in the head.

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Anonymous  
Last month

"Perth have long been one of the top spenders in the league"

Perth also spend within their means and make a profit most years. Can you say the same about Sydney? Is their current model sustainable? If not, what happens when the owners call it a day?

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Anonymous  
Last month

haha what happens when jack calls it a day

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Anonymous  
Last month

Haha can you not read?

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Anonymous  
Last month

People talking salaries like they're 'in the know', yet no shred of proof - just all pure speculation. And you know what they say about assuming. Any grommet can through around 'according to my multiple sauces!'

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Anonymous  
Last month

"Your racecar is too fast. Either slow your car down, or give me more money so I can throw it at my car, blindly, in the hope of at least keeping pace with you."

Not the way the real competitive world works my friend. As I said, if you cannot keep up, or cannot afford to be competitive, then you shouldn't be owning a team in the NBL. Sell up and go buy one in the Philippines.

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Anonymous  
Last month

Hang on, so Sydney suddenly decides to spend massive amounts, and it's all the other clubs faults for not keeping up? Are you really that ignorant?

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Anonymous  
Last month

Sydney probably are paying him less this year and more next year when others come off contract

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KET  
Last month

It's brilliant Cooks has signed to the NBL but absolutely bullshit it's with such a star studded roster.

Bogut, Ware, Tate, Lisch, Newley, Louzada, Cooks

Oh man.

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Anonymous  
Last month

By the way, swapping a shit analogy about a mansion for a shit analogy about racing cars doesn't support your point. It makes you look stupider.

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Anonymous  
Last month

#038
Man your so angry you should try and relax a little bit. This doesn't mean Sydney is going to win the title and there is no proof Sydney are spending more money than any other team. Until we have the figures don’t make shit up.
What gives you the authority to decide who’s f¥cked in the head everyone has the right to their own opinions. Is that you scomo?

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Anonymous  
Last month

Isaac, can you please ban the next troll who claims "theres no evidence Sydney is spending more money than anyone else".
Thanks

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Anonymous  
Last month

So refute the point. Just because you say it is stupider does not make it so, and it does not prove that it is accurate.

Cairns have a terrific scouting and talent identification team and get bargain imports like Scott Machado and Melo Trimble for peanuts compared to other import guards in the league such as Bryce Cotton and Casper Ware.

Head to head, some games the Cairns guards may outplay their higher fancied opponents. Should Perth or Melbourne then cry because they are paying more for these players and should be reimbursed by the league because there are cheaper options out there which can still put up solid performances, but they are spending more than these other teams? If it works one way, can it also work on the flipside?

Sydney did not break any rules. They decided they could afford to pay Cooks, and they were comfortable doing so. Cooks agreed to the contract, so he knows where he will fit, how many options are around him, and that his numbers and opportunities will not be as high as they would have been elsewhere. There was nothing illegal about it, from Sydney or from Cooks. Stop sooking.

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Anonymous  
Last month

If you spend a lot of money on a racing car, and you are much faster than your opponent but so fast that you crash it into a wall, is that how you sustained your head injury?

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Anonymous  
Last month

It means that despite my investment, and despite my car being so much faster than yours, I still was not guaranteed success and someone else - maybe even your car - will ultimately achieve the victory. See, the system works. No need for reforms or parity or handouts. Nothing is guaranteed until it is won.

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Anonymous  
Last month

A lot of wankers have been getting stuck in to Joey this year. but the fact is that he has always done a good job building a team within his budget. Should have had another championship 4 years ago, and would have had another 2 years ago except for LK and bent refs,
But we have no hope now.
I wish I was a "Salty Perf Fan" at least I would have all those championships to console me.
We might as well give up and go play in the Premier League cos we have no chance in this new league Larry has created.

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Anonymous  
Last month

lol @ Sixers should have won except for "bent refs". Game 2 and game 4, absolutely ridiculous free throw disparity to even make it a series. Get off the terps mate. If Adelaide were good enough they would have won, and they spend more than most, just on the wrong pieces. They are far from a budget team.

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Anonymous  
Last month

April fools!

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Anonymous  
Last month

Boti has just reported 372k a year

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Anonymous  
Last month

(Hang on, so Sydney suddenly decides to spend massive amounts, and it's all the other clubs faults for not keeping up? Are you really that ignorant?)

Show us the evidence that Sydney has spent massive amounts. or do you just like making sh:t up?

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FSTOS  
Last month

Anon

You do realise the F1 and most other motor racing organisations actually have spending/design/capacity regulations to try and keep some semblance of parity in the competition.

Your race car analogy makes you look even more stupid.

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Anonymous  
Last month

"Show us the evidence that Sydney has spent massive amounts. or do you just like making sh:t up?"

Are you the same person arguing that other clubs should just spend more?

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Anonymous  
Last month

I've been all for teams spending big over the soft cap to attract the best talent to the league, even defending the Didi signing to a degree, but this kings team now is just a complete joke. The amount of money pumped into it is ridiculous.

Will be hilarious if they don't win the championship.

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UseTaHoop  
Last month

Melbourne, sports and basketball capital of Australia= GF win to MU recently, MU still strong, second team good first season so far.

Perth, most successful NBL franchise= consistently good crowds over time, healthiest finances of any team.

Sydney, Australia's biggest city, always struggled for support of NBL teams= better crowds, PR coach for 3 seasons, serious coach and stacked roster now, widely tipped to win GF.

Auckland/NZ, successful club, new ownership, problematic season.

Adelaide= Adelaide, strong history, good crowds, but not at pointy end now.

Cairns and Illawarra= small market clubs, currently both receiving NBL assistance.

The NBL needed success for Melbourne, and got enough success to expand there. The NBL also needs success in Sydney, to gain market and corporate traction.

As long as Sydney don’t end up winning too many, I don’t mind it as it’s for the greater good. The NBL will have success in the 2 most important markets. Better than all the ships going to Australia’s westernmost bogan outpost. Success in the west hasn’t translated to success Australia wide. How involved were the national media in Perth’s successful years, compared to Sydney and Ballawarra now?

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Anonymous  
Last month

And there is no hard cap in the NBL, which makes you look even more stupid. If Sydney want to spend $10m on their roster, they can, as long as they comply by the $400k bench rule.

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Anonymous  
Last month

Anyone asking for evidence or saying others need to spend more, or saying Kings are spending big clearly has nfi lol.

Even if some estimates of what teams are spending are off, it doesn't take a genius to realise the kings and Melbourne are spending massive money this year, quite possibly the most expensive 2 rosters in NBL history.

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Anonymous  
Last month

All this talk about Sydney and the jealousy surrounding the team reminds me of this -- https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E_DtXf0xscI

So many Nursultan Tulyakbay's around here.

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Anonymous  
Last month

Who mentioned F1, or any other governed motor racing organization? All that was said was race car. Could be down at my local, could be street, could be whatever. You cannot call someone stupid by implying something that was not even said as though they said it.

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Anonymous  
Last month

(Are you the same person arguing that other clubs should just spend more?)

Spend more wisely like Cairns or if it's to much money for your club to keep up your club should join the nbl1 series.
Inflation goes up every year every day every minute, would you like inflation to stop so your team can afford players at the same price as 10 years ago?
How do you change things and keep it the same at the same time?

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J  
Last month

There is meant to be a bench cap though, that i thought was a hard cap of sorts. Perth arguably need more depth, but you would think the bench cap prevents them splashing the cash, united too. People are outraged because sydney is legitimately say 8 deep when most teams "big spending teams" are 6 deep

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koberulz  
Last month

Cairns won't go anywhere near the playoffs so I'm not sure how that argument helps anything.

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Anonymous  
Last month

Anyone else get a bit of a KD to GSW vibe with this signing?

Obviously not as huge, but it has a bit of that feel to me.

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Anonymous  
Last month

"if it's to much money for your club to keep up your club should join the nbl1 series."

So you want a three team competition then...

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Anonymous  
Last month

(Cairns won't go anywhere near the playoffs so I'm not sure how that argument helps anything.)

I didn't say they would but they do spend their money wisely.

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Anonymous  
Last month

"Spend more wisely like Cairns or if it's to much money for your club to keep up your club should join the nbl1 series.
Inflation goes up every year every day every minute, would you like inflation to stop so your team can afford players at the same price as 10 years ago?
How do you change things and keep it the same at the same time?"

This theory sounds great. Enjoy your 3-4 team NBL comp.

I'm all for the big spending, but i think there should be some sort of cap on the soft cap, or at least massive taxes (which are released publicly).

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Anonymous  
Last month

"How do you change things and keep it the same at the same time?"

Sustainable growth is how you do it.

Why are fans of a team that has been good for half a season suddenly telling everyone else how its done?

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Anonymous  
Last month

You do realize that a cap on the soft cap eliminates it being a soft cap, right? NBA teams are allowed to spend as much as they want, but there is a soft cap and a hard cap. If a team chooses to go over the hard cap, the other 29 teams and their fans don't cry foul, they just pay their luxury tax bill at the end of the year. There are no tears shed about parity or expenses or league handouts from anyone. They are limited in HOW they can acquire additional talent, but technically they don't have to worry about any ceiling except what they impose internally. If the NBL rules don't have a hard cap, then Sydney did nothing wrong.

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Senator11  
Last month

With Sydney being this strong and the aim is to try and win the championship, whats to stop the lower to middle end club members just cancelling their memberships because they've got no chance at a title? That's terrible for the NBL and those clubs. Yes you still have the passionate fans who go the the game night atmosphere and because they lover their team, but there would be plenty that will double think if they renew their memberships.

Yeah Sydney haven't won the title yet, but they'd need a whole lot to go wrong to bet against them.

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Anonymous  
Last month

"whats to stop the lower to middle end club members just cancelling their memberships because they've got no chance at a title?"

Its already happening.

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AngusH  
Last month

Oh no, the NBL is just like nearly every other sporting league in the world with haves and have nots. Hell, even small market teams in the NBA struggle to attract stars outside of draft lottery luck. Not that long ago the Hawks, Taipans, and Breakers were some of the strongest teams in the league. Could well happen again - the success of the league SHOULD have a trickle down effect, especially in terms of sponsorship. The profile of the league has never been higher.

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koberulz  
Last month

The NBL needed success for Melbourne, and got enough success to expand there. The NBL also needs success in Sydney, to gain market and corporate traction.
This was the narrative back in the mid-00s, too. How well did that work out?

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Anonymous  
Last month

You can just tell Angus is caught between wanting to see his team succeed no matter the cost, while naively hoping it all turns out for the best.

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Cram  
Last month

"NBA teams are allowed to spend as much as they want"

This actually isn't true. Once they're over the soft cap they are restricted to paying guys minimum contract deals aside from some exceptions.

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Anonymous  
Last month

I would love to see an article from Santa with aggregate data from the NBL around team salary and comparison to performance. Unlikley the NBL would provide such data, even to their resident Woj :(

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Anonymous  
Last month

(Sustainable growth is how you do it. )

So your saying every team in the league should be as good as the worst team in the league? How is that growth? How is that sustainable if everyone one gets board and turns of the tv?
Every team in the league is making more money than ever before, using that money to build a better team and league is a good way to make sustainable growth.

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Anonymous  
Last month

"(Sustainable growth is how you do it. )

So your saying every team in the league should be as good as the worst team in the league? How is that growth?"

Well no because what you described is not sustainable growth. Good try though.

"Every team in the league is making more money than ever before"

They are? Even those with dwindling crowd numbers? Prove it.

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Anonymous  
Last month

(So you want a three team competition then...)

It shouldn't bother you the NBL1 has heaps of teams.

Do all the nba teams spend the same amount ? Or are there rich teams and poor teams? Are all the afl or NRL teams spending the same amount? What about the bbl?

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Anonymous  
Last month

Can you please try and put some thought into your posts? You're not making any sense now.

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Perthworld  
Last month

Cooks was the best performed Aussie player abroad last season. Yet now somehow he has been added to an already stacked Kings side in 1st place? I know he wants a title for Sydney but LK has jumped the shark now.

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AngusH  
Last month

"You can just tell Angus is caught between wanting to see his team succeed no matter the cost, while naively hoping it all turns out for the best."

Not true at all. I don't have any reason to think the Kings are hanging on by a thread financially though. I would prefer to finish last than not exist at all, something which has happened to the Kings already.

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Anonymous  
Last month

#100
So your saying Sydney is spending more than all the other teams. Well prove it

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Anonymous  
Last month

Where did it say that?

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Anonymous  
Last month

You made the claim that clubs are making more money than ever before. That is something you completely plucked out of your ass.

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Anonymous  
Last month

(They are? Even those with dwindling crowd numbers? Prove it.)

I don't need too the NBL has all the figures on this record breaking year, all the numbers are up on previous years.
If your team isn’t making money this year they should give it away.

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Anonymous  
Last month

^no plucking needed

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Anonymous  
Last month

Illawara going to boo him.

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Anonymous  
Last month

"I don't need too the NBL has all the figures on this record breaking year, all the numbers are up on previous years.
If your team isn't making money this year they should give it away."

Oh sorry, I was giving you the benefit of the doubt of you being able to understand basic maths. My mistake.

My team does make money. It does every year. Its the other teams I am worried about cos there is no point being a profitable NBL team if you dont have any competition to play against.

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Cram  
Last month

NBL media releases say everything is going well, so teams MUST be making money. Solid logic.

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Anonymous  
Last month

^ What a good samaritan you are

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Anonymous  
Last month

Kuany to cairns?

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Anonymous  
Last month

(Well no because what you described is not sustainable growth. Good try though.)

You must have all the answers, so what does sustainable growth in the NBL look like to you?

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Anonymous  
Last month

(My team does make money. It does every year. Its the other teams I am worried about cos there is no point being a profitable NBL team if you dont have any competition to play against.)

So it's going to fold now because of Sydney?

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LV  
Last month

Sydney was probably already spending more than United but I'm pretty sure this puts an end to the argument

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Anonymous  
Last month

[Illawara going to boo him.]

Oh no. I hope Cooks doesn't read that because he may reconsider if he has not already officially signed.

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Anonymous  
Last month

Anyone know where I can get a Cooks jersey? I want to wear it on Sunday against United. Prefer the yellow. Thanks.

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Anonymous  
Last month

(Sydney was probably already spending more than United but I'm pretty sure this puts an end to the argument)

That's a big probably holding that sentence together.

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Anonymous  
Last month

"So it's going to fold now because of Sydney?"

Is what going to fold?

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Anonymous  
Last month

(My team does make money. It does every year. Its the other teams I am worried about cos there is no point being a profitable NBL team if you dont have any competition to play against.)

A lot of teams have come and gone from the NBL over the last 40 years but now Sydney have signed cooks it's going to fold the league?

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KET  
Last month

It might just be an Australian thing, but I like my competition to resemble competition.

AFL for instance, yes there are teams that have prolonged success: Geelong, Sydney, Hawthorn; but every club in the last 20 years have enjoyed their fair share of premiership-contending years. With exception to Essendon/Carlton who got done in cheating scandles that scarred them for extended periods (although did enjoy highly successful years prior).

It's not an issue for teams to not be in real contention - that's inevitable, some teams do well some teams won't each season.

But a system which is designed to resign you to the bottom few teams every year with no visible way out? (unlike AFL which has draft and spending isn't an issue)

People are obviously likely to bail. With that, voila, 4 team league. That's absolutely a useless result for everyone.

That's what makes this offseason so critical - we've had 1) very competitive years recently and 2) lots of talent come in which is a wonderful situation for the NBL. However, despite Cairns/Illawarra being relatively competitive over the recent years, they are starting to slide last year, this year. I don't think we can just assume that's an ups and down situation, the haves/have nots situation may just kill them off in 2-3 years.

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Shayno  
Last month

Cooks signs to syd and the people of the hoops forum lose their minds!!

Cooks=everyone who has signed to win a championship

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LV  
Last month

[
That's a big probably holding that sentence together.]


It's moved from probably to definitely

Probably no longer required

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Anonymous  
Last month

"You must have all the answers, so what does sustainable growth in the NBL look like to you?"

Growth that is achievable for all teams, at a steady pace. If the league makes some money in year one, increase the salary cap, attract some more talent, make the league more exciting and competitive, and have fans wanting to come back for. And they did that for the first couple of years.

Then suddenly one or two teams went full steam ahead with their spending, rules were changed to gift one team a fourth import, these team are up the top of the tables, yet it remains to be seen whether that spending can last for them, or if it has resulted with ongoing fan engagement.

Meanwhile, the teams that aren't spending the same money are not competitive, crowds are not great, and that is only going to make it harder for them next year if their operating budget drops.

So the rich teams pull away from the pack for a season or two, their owners may not get a good return on investment so they pull the pin, and the poor teams need a leg up from the league, however there is zero transparency as to whether that is working as intended.

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Anonymous  
Last month

"A lot of teams have come and gone from the NBL over the last 40 years"

Now you're getting it!

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Anon  
Last month

Why would Cooks want to go to a cellar dwellar like Illawarra even tough his father is the Asst Coach and you have Ball there so is who the one and only you hear about

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Anonymous  
Last month

(So it's going to fold now because of Sydney?"

Is what going to fold?)

NBL teams or maybe the NBL

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Anonymous  
Last month

(It's moved from probably to definitely

Probably no longer required)

Can you do that ? Looks set in stone to me or are you a flip floper?

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Anonymous  
Last month

Are you not familiar with the history of the NBL?

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Anonymous  
Last month

United top six players are on big coin, McCarron was playing in Europe and United out bid them. Casper went to Sydney re lies he was told re salary, yes he got a pay rise but Melbourne have spent more now on Trimble and Long is even more.

Club budget should be where supporters can see, not individual but team budgets.

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Anonymous  
Last month

("A lot of teams have come and gone from the NBL over the last 40 years"

Now you're getting it!)

Yes I am but I don't think you are.

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Anonymous  
Last month

(Can you please try and put some thought into your posts? You're not making any sense now.)

Just try and keep up mate.

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Anonymous  
Last month

Na seriously, you've been talking complete shit in this thread. There is no keeping up, it's dumbing down. I cant match you at your level.

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Anonymous  
Last month

Melbourne sack Trist last season and brought in Jois when they were travelling on top, that worked out well.

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Hawkhead  
Last month

Obviously I'm sorry to see our assistant coach's son sign with another team, but this has reignited a conversation Hawks fans have been trying to push for a while. How can the NBL say it wants a balanced competition with regional teams, but on the other hand allow such a widening gap between the rich and poor?

I can see the soft salary cap working for what it was set out to do - allow wealthy owners to bring genuine stars to the league and pay them accordingly. But the equalisation tax payments are nowhere near commensurate to the overspending on rosters.

The NBL only distributes the luxury tax to help clubs spend to the salary floor, not even the cap. So no matter how much more the Kings spend and pay their taxes, the benefit payments to equalise the competition stay the same. The NBL just pockets the difference.

The Kings owner has been typically bullish in his response to the Cooks signing, which is the way he's choosing to do business. And he's rightly claiming they're not doing anything illegal. But can he look at his roster and the Hawks and think it's a fair fight?

There's a lot of Hawks and Taipans bashing online, but these clubs provide a great sporting contribution to the cities. It would be nice if the NBL did a little more to share the wealth.

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Anonymous  
Last month

Trimble makes more than Casper Ware now? Lmao

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Anonymous  
Last month

Ware, Louzada, Tate, Cooks, Bogut
Bruce, Lisch, Newley, Moller, Kickert
Madden, Walker, Hunter, Talbot

Vs

Ball, Dech, Blanchfield, Anderson, Ogilvy
Naar, Grida, Coenraad, Froling, Boone
Glover, Harris

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Anonymous  
Last month

(There's a lot of Hawks and Taipans bashing online, but these clubs provide a great sporting contribution to the cities. It would be nice if the NBL did a little more to share the wealth.)

Not enough fans in Illawarra or Cairns to compete with the city teams it's all about the money, that’s why LK is looking to Asia to expand the NBL and that’s why nbl1 was formed. Don’t get me wrong I like both of those teams but the writing has been on the wall for them for a long time now just not enough fans. And the fans they do have are just to stubborn to find a better ways to get new fans.

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Anonymous  
Last month

#161
The hawks need a better team

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Anonymous  
Last month

(Na seriously, you've been talking complete shit in this thread. There is no keeping up, it's dumbing down. I cant match you at your level.)

So you give up then? Good idea

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Anon  
Last month

The Hawks need a better Coach if they are to achieve.

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Anonymous  
Last month

How do the Hawks get a better team when they don't have the money?

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KET  
Last month

They don't :)

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Anonymous  
Last month

Exactly. And if they don't get a better team, they lose money because they can't be competitive with the big spenders.

I can't believe this needs to be spelled out to the anon troll in this thread.

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FSTOS  
Last month

OK so we get (sort of) the soft cap. No rules broken there because there are few to break.

What about the 400K max for the bench guys. A hard cap I believe.

Kuany was one of those making up that cap you would certainly say. Now Cooks has replaced him. You could also almost certainly say that Cooks is not on Kuany coin.

So how do they still fit the bench 400K hard cap?

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Anonymous  
Last month

They pay Cooks little this year and heaps next year is how you get around it.

As others have said it had better work out better than Jois to United.

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koberulz  
Last month

Why would he walk out on his Euro contract to come here for a pittance, regardless of what he's offered for next year? Especially when one of his stated goals was to play in a few different countries just for the travel and to experience different environments.

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rjd  
Last month

Yet people dismissed Bogut's idea to publicise salaries.

I can see why Cooks would prefer to join Sydney. Boomers exposure via Weaver. NBA scout exposure alongside Didi. There is a chance that Didi could be snapped up by the Pelicans soon. The report is a multi-year deal, so there is also a chance that Cooks signed for not much this season, but earning much more next season as players like Newley/Lisch might be not returning. There was also a report in the off-season about Longley giving Bogut advice about not retiring too late to risk body issues, which Bogut might be heeding. Sydney might have eyed Cooks as a marquee replacement for Bogut, to be paid more in the 2020-21 season.

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Anonymous  
Last month

Says as much about the other clubs lack of recruiting, than anything.

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koberulz  
Last month

No it doesn't.

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Anonymous  
Last month

^lol

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Anonymous  
Last month

(How do the Hawks get a better team when they don't have the money?)

Get a bigger fan base , get better investors, get more sponsors like the big teams. The hawks keep saying they want to be a development team so maybe nbl1 is more suited to them.

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Anonymous  
Last month

Sure it dies Kobe. Got to win that recruit over. Kings obviously did.

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Unionist  
Last month

Something is wrong when a young player can be dumped mid contract, just to satisfy the greed and ambition of the owner!

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Anonymous  
Last month

Newley and Lisch are contracted for next season, Newley has had his best season since returning to nbl, Lisch still injury woes. Kings have so many wing type players, they play a one and five and rest run lanes and all switchable on D. This is a good signing for the future of the kings, certainly if Bogut retires and they need import money for a good five man. Bogut is near irreplaceable no matter what homicide says. The new owners management seem to be trying to build a dynasty, and spreading the age difference out so it doesn't all go to shit at once, exactly what Bevo set up in Perth and Gleeson has continued on. Kings looking at another massive crowd on Sunday against United so with healthy crowds you would think their money stream is doing very well.

Good management delivers, I’m a neutral but I like what kings are up to.

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koberulz  
Last month

Sure it dies Kobe. Got to win that recruit over. Kings obviously did.
Offering someone a giant bag of money doesn't really count as "recruiting".

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Anonymous  
Last month

Other teams have money. Don't be dense. Kings willing to spend. End of story.

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Anonymous  
Last month

"Get a bigger fan base , get better investors, get more sponsors like the big teams."

Wow, why didn't they think of that!!!

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Anonymous  
Last month

Adelaide has the whole state as a fan base and are a better team than there win loss would suggest. With a bit more cash they would be contenders, they almost beat Sydney a few weeks ago.
Perth has a whole state fan base also.
Illawarra and Cairns are so limited on how big they can grow, if they could expand their boundaries they might achieve sustainable growth. If not it don't its not looking good for them.

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Anonymous  
Last month

"Other teams have money."

Oh dear.

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KET  
Last month

#192

So basically you're saying bye to Hawks, Taipans and 36ers then. That makes a 6 team league.

Great plan, will work hugely.


I’m sure that will make it all the more compelling to attract investors - a group of people notorious for short lived ownership.

Long term plan? Perth champions AND wooden spooners every year

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Anonymous  
Last month

Maybe Bogut is retiring next year

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Anonymous  
Last month

Adelaide are not better than their record suggests. They're excelling if anything.

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Anonymous  
Last month

(Something is wrong when a young player can be dumped mid contract, just to satisfy the greed and ambition of the owner!)

Are you talking about Adelaide and Taylor?

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Anonymous  
Last month

(So basically you're saying bye to Hawks, Taipans and 36ers then. That makes a 6 team league. )

Adelaide is fine they have a whole state behind them. And they have unlucky this year.
Taipans could change to north qld taipans to get more fans better investors and sponsors qld government included.
Wollongong/Illawarra is basically connected to Sydney, they need to use that to their advantage before LK brings in a new Sydney team, if and when that happens the hawks are fawked.

The NBL are going to expand over the next few years with tas a new Melbourne , Sydney and possibly Canberra then LK is looking at Asia for a few more teams.
Are Illawarra and Cairns prepared for that?

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Anonymous  
Last month

(Other teams have money. Don't be dense. Kings willing to spend. End of story.)


Is that you Corey Williams

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Anonymous  
Last month

It's Carey to you.

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Anonymous  
Last month

(Adelaide are not better than their record suggests. They're excelling if anything.)

Yes they are. They're been unlucky in a few close games.
Some more cash and their contenders.

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Unionist  
Last month

No, specifically, Aussies.

Just seems to be getting harder for young Aussies.

Treatment of Kuany just wrong. Treated like a commodity, not a young person.

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Anonymous  
Last month

^All young Australians are treated like that at any job they do.
Maybe he could get a job with the hawks.

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AngusH  
Last month

Kuany (apparently) also paid out in full.

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Anonymous  
Last month

So surely that counts towards the cap then?

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AngusH  
Last month

Not sure, I'll just check the official, publicly shared cap rules that don't exist.

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Anonymous  
Last month

^lol

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Anonymous  
Last month

A 24y.o nba prospect with nba out clause and it only cost them 375k a year. Great deal for Sydney considering some of the best players are on 400k after years and years of proving themselves.

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HoldenV8  
Last month

"Are all the afl or NRL teams spending the same amount?"

Technically, NRL teams are. The NRL has a $9.6m salary cap in place (each club has a 30 man squad which must fit under the cap) and clubs aren't allowed to spend over that. Some do, but there are penalties and if its bad enough then things like what happened with the Melbourne Storm being stripped of premiership wins can happen.

Rugby league introduced the salary cap back in the early 90s and its main purpose was to try and stop clubs, especially the less financially sound ones, sending themselves broke trying to buy a premiership. The whole thing was originally designed to level the playing field as no one club could spend millions more for big name players than another, although inevitably despite limits on overall spending its still the bigger, richer and more successful clubs who would attract the better players.

The cap still exists, but its a lot more complicated and harder to police due to things like Third Party Agreements (TPA's - basically players personal sponsors which are included in player contracts, but not the cap itself). And of course, there are always rumours about clubs spending well over the cap and the ways some get around it.

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mystro  
Last month

Sydney could probably still sign James Harden as a Next Star....

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Bear  
Last month

Good luck to Xavier, great guy and very talented, wish him all the best in the NBL and whatever the future holds for him...

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