https://7news.com.au/sport/afl/afl-player-tests-positive-to-covid-19-c-1113680

I really wonder what all those people who were saying open all the borders up, there's no medical evidence why they shouldn't be.
This is not the first time someone has done their isolation only for them to show up positive many weeks later. Research is still in its infancy, sheep seem to think 14 days home and then it's all good. How long can it last in human body before it becomes illness.
Said it plenty of times, all government did was buy us time to prepare ICU and train nurses. The government won't keep stopping and starting, once we're going it's a freight train. All they can do is hope severe cases are low enough to be looked after.
How are players going to feel when imports arrive and in case of Sixers, coaching staff. They'll have to quarantine but as in this Irish player, will the virus lay dormant for weeks later before rearing head.
We've only been lucky because of country's isolation and as mentioned above, WA luckiest. Another wave, this time community transmission is starting in Victoria, how soon before it seeps into other states.

Yes it's not good news for the start of next season. Lot of water to pass under the bridge yet.

Scumo, telling all to open borders, wanker.

Might have to play nbl season out Perth, qld, SA, and NZ.

What happens with the AFL from here?

Afl was supposed to stop for 30 days if there was a player who tested positive. Instead they continue this round, despite common knowledge that players catch up with players from other clubs. So theyre basically saying that other Melbourne clubs may have it but we'll keep playing. Got to keep channel 7 happy. Great management.

^ you are a silly little man

Whoops, sorry, forgot kr is a well respected expert virologist. What about this one dumbass. He returns in March 20 has test May 5th and found to be positive, his infection believed to have happened in Britain. That appears to be about same time frame as Essendon player.
What's your opinion Dr KR you twat?


ABC News SHARE
South Australia ends 14-day coronavirus-free streak with new case contracted in UK
By Eugene Boisvert and Camron Slessor
Posted Thu 7 May 2020 at 5:49am, updatedThu 7 May 2020 at 1:42pm

SA Chief Public Health Officer Nicola Spurrier at a press conference about coronavirus.(ABC News)
South Australia has recorded its first new coronavirus case in a fortnight after a man who returned from the United Kingdom in March tested positive.

Key points:
South Australia now has 439 coronavirus cases
A man has tested positive after noticing a lack of smell and taste
SA Health believes he acquired it in the UK
The latest diagnosis brings the total number of positive coronavirus cases in the state to 439.

SA Health believes the man in his 70s acquired COVID-19 overseas, but developed "very mild" symptoms, including a loss of taste and smell sensations, after his return on March 20.

He sought a test on May 5 and it was subsequently confirmed he had the virus, and a small number of close contacts have gone into isolation.

Chief Public Health Officer Nicola Spurrier said he was not infectious on his flight into Australia and that he self-quarantined once he arrived.

So Kobefulz, how can a man who wasn't infectious on his flight from Britain, self isolates for 2 weeks, lands in a state with next to no cases tests positive 47 days later? And doesn't say, but you would expect a person in a vulnerable position to have been tested when he landed, hence the statement he wasn't infectious on flight.
And now audience we wait for the idiot try and explain himself with his bullshit logic.

It's KR he doesn't handle criticism at all well. He has said he's always right. It must be true.

"and now audience..."

Who speaks like that? Are you the narrator? Are we meant to be impressed that you think you outsmarted KR?

"This is the second wave." Bullshit. If there is a 2nd wave it won't be in June. Sept is the expected 2nd wave, 20ish new cases isn't a wave. It's a ripple if that. "Whoops, sorry, forgot kr is a well respected expert wanker". Edited for accuracy.

#949, you are the audience. And Kobefulz, apparently you know the entirety of this pandemic worldwide and all of the intricacies of Covid19, bravo. A man who has come from a country in crisis with thousands of cases to little old Adelaide, isolates, is a vulnerable person as well so would a) be very careful coming from Britain to not infect others which has been proven by only contact with 30 people and b) very careful not to contract virus here, again only having contact with 30 people. That's fact, as said by chief medical officer, saying HE wouldn't have passed it on with such limited contact. And the state being free of known cases for weeks, fact.

So how did he contract the virus here?

Hence it does seem more likely it can stay in the system. Do you think when you have the flu it automatically jumps to the throat immediately so if a swab is taken straight away it can tell? Maybe look up how viruses enter the cells and how the body responds. The thing is Covid is in its infancy so it's different to other viruses, hence the pandemic. How can people be asymptomatic compared to others.

So Kobefulz, how did this guy get Covid19 in Adelaide coming from UK and being isolated from general public? And showing no symptoms until he lost his sense of taste.

Time to admit you don't know dickhead!

If I'm the audience, I want a refund!

Still didn't say how he got it fulz. No one for weeks before and the contacts he had afterwards didn't have it, else they would show on statistics, that's fact. So somehow he brought it in from the UK, sat dormant for 47 days then appeared.
Over to you fulz, copy and paste your heart out. Don't care about the rest, just tell me how he got covid when the facts say he couldn't have in South Australia.

Why the putrid attack on Koberulz?
You're not providing anything of substance to the discussion.

He thinks he has a captive audience.

It's a putrid attack. Hilarious.

hoops going downhill by the day.

Are there better forums ?

Asking for a friend.

Fulz is never wrong apparently, just want his explanation on this.

Try ozhoops ;)

The AFL ain't shutting down. There’s money at stake. They will do everything in their interests to keep going.

Umm, Fulz. He only had contact in South Australia with confirmed 30 or so people and they were tested and no infection. Just answer this, where did he contract it from genius?
Let's use your analogy of unicorns, if one came from England where there's lots of unicorn flu, is put in a paddock with only 30 other unicorns and 47 days later, the unicorn is sick with unicorn flu but the others aren't and never were, how did the English unicorn get sick?
When you eliminate the impossible, whatever remains, no matter how improbable, must be the truth.

Leave KR alone he has personal issues.

Trying to talk facts while quoting a fictional detective. Good job.

"Australia is doing well, but Victoria and NSW needs to continue Lockdown measures for an extended period."

NSW has only had 4 locally transmitted cases in the past 3 weeks. They are doing well. Victoria has had 116 in the same period of time, they are not doing so well.

Unfortunately, Victoria's leadership focused too much on things that don't have a big impact (locking down healthy people) and didn't do a good job of what does have a big impact (high testing rates and effective tracing).

The Vics finally got their testing act together in May and tested at huge levels for a short period, but then inexplicably dropped away from around 15,000 tests per day to around 4000 tests per day as they were opening up.

Australia has done very well, but by those standards Victoria is a case study of what not to do next time.

NZ locked the whole country down and opened it all up, yes I know two English people who left quarantine early got caught with it but the total lock down worked well, even there football stadiums are now full.

"The idea that the lockdowns don't have a big positive impact is total nonsense"

They have an impact, but the data shows it is a much smaller impact than closing borders and identifying and testing potential cases and tracing contacts. Those are the key actions and Victoria didn't do them as well as a number of other states. The targeted actions are the most important.

Fulz, how can he pick it up off a surface when there have been no active cases in the state for over a month apart from the English woman that slipped through. I doesn't make any sense.
And good on your Nanna for coming on the forum to stick up for you. But you still haven't given any solid ways for him to have contracted it. And seeing as you like to cut and paste:



FEATURE /DOCTOR'S NOTE
Doctor's Note: Can the coronavirus reactivate?
New research suggests the coronavirus may be able to lie dormant and later 'reawaken'. A doctor examines the evidence.

Dr Sara Kayat by Dr Sara Kayat
12 Apr 2020 GMT+3
New data from the Korean Centre for Disease Control and Prevention (KCDC) has thrown up a new theory about how we build immunity to coronavirus.


The KCDC stated last week that there have been 91 documented cases of patients in Daegu, South Korea who had recovered from the coronavirus, left quarantine, and then tested positive again.


KCDC director-general, Jeong Eun-kyeong, stated they would be investigating this further to determine if these results were down to an issue with testing, but was quoted as saying that he thought it was due to "reactivation" of the virus, rather than reinfection.

From the knowledge that we have about other coronaviruses, we are aware that immunity to such viruses can be variable.

Antibodies we form against the common cold, for example, which is also caused by a coronavirus, do not offer lifelong immunity from this virus. As the US's Center for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC), has stated, adults on average catch two to three colds a year.

Research on the Middle Eastern Respiratory Syndrome (MERS) virus has shown that immunity wanes after around 18 months and we build an average of two years' immunity to the Severe Acute Respiratory Syndrome (SARS) coronavirus, which seems to have the most in common, genetically speaking, with COVID-19.

From what has been observed about COVID-19 so far, researchers suspect that we will have at least a "short-term" immunity, so that you will be unlikely to catch it again this season.

A scientific research team based in China released a preliminary report looking at two rhesus macaques that had recovered from COVID-19 and were not reinfected when researchers exposed them to the virus for a second time, four weeks after their initial exposure.

The aim is to then extrapolate this to humans to see if they react in the same way when they have been potentially exposed to COVID-19 multiple times.

There had been some reports of patients testing positive for coronavirus soon after discharge, despite having recovered from the initial infection.

Researchers suspect that, rather than these people having been reinfected, there may have been flaws in the testing process whereby low levels of the virus failed to be picked up when patients were discharged from the hospital.

Other studies suggested that people may still test positive long after recovery. So, while it cannot be entirely ruled out that you could catch coronavirus twice in one season, at present, it appears unlikely.

However, this latest data from the KCDC has thrown a new theory into the mix - that the virus can become dormant and, later, reactivate itself.

While our immune system is able to clear most pathogens, there are, indeed, some that lie dormant - "hidden" in our cells, not causing any illness.

The mechanism of reactivation occurs when that pathogen comes out of its sleeping phase and becomes active again, potentially replicating and spreading, causing illness.

There are quite a few viruses that behave like this. For example, a very common one is varicella-zoster, which is the virus responsible for chickenpox.

Nearly all children in the UK catch chickenpox by the age of 10, and it is considered a fairly benign virus for most. However, once you have cleared chickenpox, it remains inactive in your nerve tissue, and in one in three adults it reactivates to cause shingles, a condition resulting in a painful rash.

While we cannot rule out reactivation as a possibility yet, it still seems more probable that these 91 cases were either due to the levels of the virus dipping below a detectable level, allowing symptoms to improve, but then surging again, or that there were flaws with the tests, where the clearance samples were false negatives. The tests are not perfect and, from the data received from China, the most commonly used type of test showed up to a 30 percent false-negative rate.


As South Korea investigates this further and other countries are able to offer their own findings, we are likely to understand more about the way this virus summons an immune response and, hopefully, determine for sure whether reactivation or reinfection are possibilities.

That is the cutest cut and paste ever to try and refute someone who is clearly smarter than you anon #809021

So where's the proof KR. We need a citation rather than your 'expert' words.
Now you are saying "if not break the track-and-trace method of handling an outbreak." Are you serious. I hope you have let the Government know that's it's broken. Where is the proof for this outlandish statement? Have millions of people wasted their time d/l the app? Man you really are clutching at straws and believing your own "I am always right" crap.

Koberulz shouldn't even acknowledge this anonymous imbicile with a response.
He knows more than all of us combined....give up anon.

This troll needs a name like others so I can see his post and just skip past. Fucking tool

I just wish that Victoria, NSW would get control as to get the draw out so I can get excited to be able to watch my favourite sport.

Nice try Kobe.

"Pretty sure he said that there were 1000 people on the contact tracing team, not that they were chasing down 1000 close contacts." Some random Dr that posts shit and you beleive it. Oops

I gotta admit, I'm no fan of Koberulz, but right now he's making this anonymous fool look pretty stupid.

It's impressive that Kobe cites some random noob on Twitter that is meant to support his argument. Therefore it's true. Why not post under the Perthworld nick instead of the anonymous way it's so tiresome.

#034 pretty confident there are plenty of different IP posters who think you are a fool

Perthworld is a tosser. That we all wholeheartedly agree on.
But this anon who has a beef with Koberulz could be anybody.

Pretty easy to have many IP addy's. Ask Perthworld.

What's any of this got to do with Perthworld?

Wow this Perthworld obsession is absurd.
Just because he is a gronk doesn't necessarily mean he is the same guy also posting anonymously.

Back to actual topic.
This McKenna fiasco could come back to bite the bombers.

Kobe read the thread where you quoted from it's in there. Clearly you really aren't following it closely. Just chose some random Dr's quote to suit your argument. It took about 2 seconds to find out that who ever this wanker DR is was wrong. Yet you make it out to be the truth.

From Twitter for citation purposes.
"Replying to @drvyom and @VictorianCHO
I heard it as 1000 people on the contract tracing team... (as in doing the tracing)"
Then we have "Replying to @drvyom and @VictorianCHO
Pretty sure he said that there were 1000 people on the contact tracing team, not that they were chasing down 1000 close contacts."

Stop spouting shit and thinking you know it all because clearly you don't.
Tell us about the AFL hubs they had last season when there was no live commentators at AFL, CA or FA games too. Oh I guess you forgot that as well. Yet another clanger of lies. Tired of your "expert" I must be right bullshit Oh and the anonymous people that talk about a putrid attack on you. That's probably even more of a joke.

If you're so tired of him, go away.

That would be a good start. Clearly the response given that you wanted proves you wrong again.

What?

You wouldn't think it possible, but it seems the lockdown has increased the number of cretins haunting internet forums.
Why not go find your cousins and make some more babies?

Good one.

Sixties rockstar with the dumbest take ever.

Sixtiesrockstar portraying the mentality that has Victoria in the shit again

Maybe SRS would prefer we took the same route as America, who aren't even in a second wave yet because they completely fucked up handling the first wave.

Government yelling and trying to screw states in opening borders also makes people think it's nothing, slowly slowly is the best method and lock down all world visitors except for NZ unless quarantine measures are followed.
It’s the only way things will be able to open up properly just like NZ and WA can do.

"The Vics finally got their testing act together in May and tested at huge levels for a short period, but then inexplicably dropped away from around 15,000 tests per day to around 4000 tests per day as they were opening up."

This pattern of apparent testing rates may be incorrect, due to a reporting artefact. On 6 June Victoria reported a decrease in their total tyests, due to "an automated duplication error of previously reported testing numbers". See https://www.health.gov.au/news/health-alerts/novel-coronavirus-2019-ncov-health-alert/coronavirus-covid-19-current-situation-and-case-numbers.

For sometime now, the Victorian strategy has been to deliver 50,000 tests per week. The numbers after June 6 are on or about that rate. The May figure of 15,000 per day in the post above is about double that rate. That would be consistent with the 50,000 per week target if the "duplication error" resulted in double counting during May.

Up to the latest outbreak, Victoria's testing strategy focused on people self-presenting for tests, health workers, and vulnerable or high-risk groups to deliver the 50,000 per week target.