Commiserations to a desperately unlucky Alexandra Sharp for missing out on the Willetton Tigers Women's MVP Award last night...Finishing Top 10 in the league was not good enough to pip the 30th ranked player in the league. Oh well, there is always next year and no doubt more nepotism to contend with.

Mass exodus from senior Perth Redbacks women after Fletcher re-appointment. Board is in disarray after not wanting to let her go because of her internal knowledge of systems at club.

Chasing their tails on that one from along the grapevine.

Well their first mistake was making a sentimental appointment

And secondly, what senior athletes? JJ and Mak? Outside of that they were one of the worst teams in the comp

Aaron Trahair announced as new Eastern Suns Mens Head Coach. Ettridge's time at the helm there short lived. It will be interesting to see if he pops up somewhere else? Will be interesting to see if Trahair gets any Mandurah guys to make the trek up the hill?

No news out of Goldfields as to who replaces Wayne Creek.

Nix in at Redbacks which is a good pickup for them. Can they keep the Timms, Gattorna, Jackson and Grace combo together?

Malat in at Lakeside which will be interesting to see how that plays out after having short term tenures with various american coaches over the last 7-8 years. you would imagine he will at least get some good talent back in there, depending on his budget.

Parsons back at Hawks

Nener back at Willo

Any other confirmations of coaches across the league?
O'lochlan at magic
petrik at rocko
brennan at warwick
Coops at cockburn
jospeh at buccs

USA 88 Serbia 55 FINAL.

Masterful performance by the Americans at both ends of the court. It'a a shame Serbia went ice cold in the second half offensively too.

Alyssa Thomas is the standout for me for the US. Amazing motor and court vision. Imagine what she could do if she could shoot (lucky for other teams!)

Ignore the above, sorry. Wrong thread

Sounds like Magic are about to explode.

There's some angry members in the background and a CEO and President could be marched out.

Pull the popcorn out for this month’s AGM.

Mandurah are in big trouble

Who are the top 5 coaches in the mens and womens grades based on 2022?

Wildcat, any indication on what the issues are?


Pasadena, my top 5 coaches for 2022 respectively.

MEN
Dayle Joseph (Buccs)
Ryan Petrik (Flames)
Wayne Creek (Giants)
Morrell (Wolves)
Brennan (Senators)

WOMEN
Morley (Senators)
Wong (Wolves)
Parker (Tigers)
Alava (Magic)
Thwaites (Cougars)

Financial mismanagement

Which probably coincides with the self promoting posts they are putting all over socials atm

wow, that would be a tough one for the club given the journey they have been through recovering from a pretty major financial mismanagement situation not all that long ago

could this open the door to players leaving?

They had a pretty big budget with Turner, Bowie, Armour, Abrom and Jurlina in the men. Unsure what their spend would have been in the women?

Financial mismanagement and an influential member being unhappy with how funds are being spent are two very different things

Said unhappy member knows a thing or two about financial management.

They'll lose management, or players, or both.

THERE IS NO WAY MANDURAH CAN HAVE THE SAME ROSTERS AS THIS SEASON WITH THIS FINICIAL RESULT/MISMANAGMENT. IVE HEARD UPWARDS OF A $220K LOSS.
ITS A PITY BECAUSE I THOUGHT THEY WERE TRACKING IN THE RIGHT DIRECTION THE PREVIOUS SEASON MEN MADE FINALS / WOMEN MADE FINALS BEFORE THEY DECIDED TO BRING IN THE NEW REGIME BUT OBVIOSLY THAT WASNT TOO " SMART "

Mandurah is and always will be a basket case. Those who involve themselves with that club do so out of self interest and never stay long.
It's fair enough paying players in nbl1 to a certain extent, but what amount of money did they waste on their mens coaches? Any amount paid to them would’ve been a waste.

What’s the bet that whilst sponsorship is at an all time high, junior players fees go up.

Huge difference between Financial mismanagement and an influential member being unhappy with how funds are being spent as said above, from what I am hearing there are a lot of un proven things being slung around, and that the club is sitting in a good position financially compared to years gone, yeah getting bigger players in but filling venue for nbl1 that's how you make money get the players get the wins get the crowds you get the sponsorship to self sustain. As for fees being high not any difference or more then any other clubs around from what I heard.

So 'Roger' and 'Fan2' are the same person, and based on their inside knowledge with the financial situation then it would mean that they're either L.S or J.O?? Bit worried that your ego boosting social media campaign has backfired spectacularly and now the locals are rising up are we fellas? If it's J.O then this has karma written all over it for your snake-like behaviour in getting rid of Trahair for your own personal gain and you deserve everything you have coming towards you. If it's L.S, maybe it's time to pack up that arrogant ego and head back to Lakeside pal, before the Magic Office door hits ya where the good lord split ya.

So cause we had same thought means we same person??? Lol ok... and no not either one of them just someone that has heard otherwise. Didn't realise no one else can know a different side then what else is being said. Guess we should all just wait for the hard facts to come out and really see what the story is hey.. just as I said though there are two sides to every story.

https://thewest.com.au/sport/basketball/mandurah-basketball-association-ceo-lennon-smartt-revealed-as-undischarged-bankrupt-board-knew-when-hiring-c-8500205

"One of the Peel region's biggest sporting associations has confirmed that its chief executive is an undischarged bankrupt despite strict rules in place that should have prevented his appointment.

Mandurah Basketball Association boss Lennon Smartt has been heading up the organisation’s operations for less than a year, in spite of his status as being bankrupt.

Mr Smartt has been listed as bankrupt since February 15, 2021, prior to his entry into the MBA.
In shocking revelations, the MBA board revealed on Monday that it was aware of Mr Smartt’s bankruptcy status upon his hiring as head of basketball operations towards the end of 2021.

The job description said the successful candidate would be "primarily responsible for the management and delivery of" financial management, business development and sponsorship and grant management, among other directives.

Mr Smartt has since been named the association’s chief executive by the board — despite strict rules in place that should have prevented the appointment from happening.

As an incorporated entity, the Mandurah Basketball Association is bound by the Associations Incorporation Act, particularly its board and senior officers.

In the MBA’s own constitution, Rule 12(f) states that the board “will take all reasonable steps to ensure that the Association complies with the Act and this constitution”.

Section 39 of the Act says bankrupt persons are not to be part of an incorporated entity’s management committee, with the committee defined as people who “have the power to manage the affairs of the association”.

In order to accept an appointment or act as a member of the committee, a bankrupt person must seek approval from the Commissioner for Consumer Protection.

The Mandurah Coastal Times put questions to MBA president Adam Ahern, vice-president Jason Kyle and Mr Smartt about the MBA’s compliance with the Act under Mr Smartt’s leadership.

Mr Ahern confirmed the board “is and has been aware of Lennon’s bankruptcy” and that Mr Smartt is not a member of MBA’s management committee.

“MBA has been in contact with our governing body (Basketball WA) and DMIRS (Department of Mining, Industry Regulation and Safety) . . . who confirm this position,” he said.

Despite the Act’s definition of the management committee being persons who manage an association’s affairs, Mr Ahern said the “MBA’s management committee is the board of directors”.

The Commissioner for Consumer Protection Gary Newcombe said Consumer Protection “does not have current information about who or who is not a member of an association’s management committee”.

“Associations are required to keep up-to-date registers of office holders, but they are not required to submit them to us.”

Mr Smartt is yet to respond to questions."

Good old Mandurah once again operating in their own reality, it's like a more deluded version of Perthworld the planet it orbits around.

Let's keep it simple - is he a director or not? If so the law has been broken as a bankruptee cannot satisfy the requirement of signing an annual solvency declaration.

If not then all that other guff in the article is irrelevant because records of management committee members aren't centrally stored so watch them internally change the makeup to blur the lines if shit hits the fan.

Dear Members
We refer to an article that has gone to print in media today regarding our association.
The article is malicious, defamatory in nature and factually incorrect.
As stated to the journalist, the club has been in contact with Basketball WA, DMIRS and Lawyers on
this matter who have provided advice contrary to the journalist's opinion.
The club remains engaged with lawyers and will continue to do as required.
The mentioned bankruptcy is not criminal in nature and relates to loss through sale of property several
years ago.
We find it sad that there seems to be a section of our membership prepared to cause damage to our
employees, volunteers and association when we should be celebrating a successful year on and off
the court.
Please refer to the attached letter outlining the clubs true financial position contrary to the malicious
rumours circulating.
Regards
Mandurah Basketball Association Board

They've also posted a lengthy "here are all our bank balances" statement, which is entirely too long to copy and paste here.

Smartt is one of the biggest tools in the sport and was extremely lucky not to have physical harm inflicted upon him multiple times during the season.

"The mentioned bankruptcy is not criminal in nature and relates to loss through sale of property several
years ago."

They've also posted a lengthy "here are all our bank balances" statement, which is entirely too long to copy and paste here.

tl;dr version:

"Your CEO may not be fit for purpose."

Mandurah: "bUt No OnE sToLe AnY mOnEy!!1"

2021/2022 July to June FY reports will show an Operating loss before depreciation of $187,425 (attributed to staffing costs)

Oct 2021 to Sep 2022 P&L statement shows net operating loss of $19k

Oct 2020 to Sep 2021 P&L statement shows net operating profit of $144k (including 60k COVID subsidy)

Something has gone drastically wrong in the last 12-15 months. Who is the Financial director at Mandurah? Is it the CEO? Is it the president? Interesting to note that all signatories on their media release not one of them have any finance related job title

I love how a certain person has got 2 of his best mates onto the board at mandurah. Neither are Mandurah-based people who have ever been involved with basketball in Mandurah. And his best mate going into bat on the Mandurah socials .. so wholesome!

I bet they wish they never got rid of waldeck as president now....

Waldeck is on socials having his say as well, highlighting everything wrong about the current board and their processes.

And to think, he was deemed unfit for the president job not long ago, but is fully aware of the incorrect procedures happening at the moment. Narcissism is rife with the current board it seems

Re arranged in chronological order


Oct 2020 to Sep 2021 P&L statement shows net operating profit of $144k (including 60k COVID subsidy)


*** has a 3 months overlap with the below**


2021/2022 July to June FY reports will show an Operating loss before depreciation of $187,425 (attributed to staffing costs)


** The above has 3 months quarantined with the above figure (+$144k), and 9 months of the below figure***


Oct 2021 to Sep 2022 P&L statement shows net operating loss of $19k



3 months in isolation. It would contain 9 months of the above's $187k loss, then 3 months of (provisional) profit, to get to (-$19k)

Now if the above is cash basis, they the remainder of the year will see this -$19k blow out.

That said, cuold all this be a gamble on Machado's and Travers wages?

And here I was thinking that Suns shafting Etteridge for Trahair (bet he's happy to be well clear of Mandurah now) and all the talk/rumour/innuendo out of East Perth (VP and Pres doing dodgy stuff, VP and current assistant's family creating headlines of their own) would be dominating the off season talk, but Mandurah just wants to steal the spotlight.

Dire Frisbee I havent heard any talk/rumour or innuendo coming out of East Perth?

care to elaborate?

Leadership spill at the top, players leaving in droves, VP and his family dealing with some very public allegations, it's all out there in the broader Basketball without having to spell it out here. As I said, I just thought the Suns and Eagles would be the talking points, then along comes Mandurah and there dramas with the whole "hold my beer". I bet the Pres and Vice Pres at Eagles are glad for the distraction to be honest.

President lazy or arrogant? Didn't check background with Cairns or Lakeside (where he is banned except for NBL1 games).

If Waldeck was "unfit" to be president how bad must this guy be if Waldeck is deemed better? Is he just a parent there or am I missing something?

They need to pack their bags before the AGM.

Wouldn't surprise me if the CEO ended up at Rockingham.

They still haven’t replaced their GM that lasted a whole 6 months

Crikey that article in The West socials pages all but seals any hope Smartt had of working in basketball in this state for the foreseeable future. James Waldeck also has alot to answer for in all of this. His behaviour and some of his statuses particularly towards Smartt have been ridiculous to say the least, especially given he wasn't exactly the most popular person down there during his stint as Mandurah President either. People in glass houses hey!

wow.. the Magic have really got some attention here!
Ok so I can't speak personally for Smartt.
I can say Waldeck is a complete nut job. His claims to all and sundry having played SBL so much in the past are easily fact checked online as being completely false. Anyone who has witnessed him coaching juniors would attest to his level of being utterly crap. Can’t speak of his performance as president tbh, but not hard to guess given other indications.
MBA has a history of dodgy dealings, happens every other year. Just it never gets this level of publicity.
Seems pretty cut and dried. Smartt being a bankrupt (not exactly a ringing endorsement) needed certain approvals. As someone else wisely wrote above, watch them blur the lines in an effort to make this go away.

Mandurah Magic shitstorm= business as usual lol

Also leave of absence, does that mean no more money for you?

That AGM is going to make for an interesting night

Indeed it will be!
I'm interested.. banned from Lakeside except for nbl1 games? What’s that about?

Why would anyone want to physically harm someone?

Also any truth to the $110k salary paid to the CEO as mentioned in a social media post?

Salary is correct.

Although most CEO's (Joondalup, Willetton, Cockburn, Warwick) are on six figures.

Just curious here what other clubs spend per season on nbl1 travel as the Magic have posted their financial report with a spending of 47k thats an increase of 40k on the season prior!! I realise season 21 was a covid restricted season just trying to get a feel on what it actually cost other clubs taking into consideration you are going to Kalgoorlie, Geraldton and I believe they played a fixture in Esperance.

Is there any chance travel allowances were given to players outside of the cap?

The ongoing silence from Mandurah is concerning. Surely their members would want to be hearing updates on how their money has been spent? I know Waldeck is a bit of a tool but his comments on his social media are spot on.

Yes I agree. Waldeck raises some valid issues. Even a broken clock is right twice a day.

The Mandurah board would be planning to get enough votes for their preferred ones to win the positions at the AGM. Then they would not have to answer to anybody.
That would be their plan for sure.

i believe mandurah magic legend brooke burns is running for presidency against adam ahern .so that being said i would think there could be a large number of people voting and at the A.G.M . perhaps a gold coin donation upon entry could help with the loss .

They've also disabled all comments on their social media

Get rid of the entire board and just be done with it already

I just saw on social media via a statement from the club that the mandurah board have postponed the AGM whilst reviews and investigations are being undertaken. They also stated that 7West media have issued an apology for their claims published in a recent story.

I think you will find the 7west apology is for the (singular not plural) claim that the CEO should not have been appointed due to being a bankrupt.

Hidden behind a paywall also.

The investigation is into the "behaviour of certain members" as per their statement. Nothing else being investigated or reviewed. A witch hunt? Read between the lines The board will crucify anyone they dislike with their “social media policy” whilst apparently never bothering to adhere to any of the clubs policies themselves.

They also stated they have enlisted legal representation.

In regards to the Mandurah situation I've read members are able to request information relating to club finances in accordance with regulations. With 31k being spent on staff expenses and sundry items a detailed breakdown would go a long way considering last seasons staff expenses were nil and sundry items totalled 2k. Are we now paying a staff member part time? If so was this approved by the board?

What's the East Perth situation? Kieran Berry to Cockburn and notice a lot of talk saying "made it out" what are the issues at Herb Graham?

@Crayfish - Berry to Cockburn, Thompson out as Women's HC (chose to leave to head over East), Coburn out as Men's NBL1 HC (chose to leave, headed to Perry Lakes as an assistant rather than staying), Donlagic and Berry both walked out during the season this year, others about to do so, men and women. Massive issues with the Pres and VP and their leadership, huge questions being raised around the direction and overall leadership of the club really. Must be bad if a lifelong EP player like Berry chooses to leave.

The new head coach wouldn't happen to have the initials CF by any chance? Mens

Travel allowances weren't paid to home grown players at Mandurah, I can confirm this as a fact, however Smartt may have paid for extra nights accommodation and drinks because a select few stayed after the Kal game - interesting how Sundries was over $3k but first aid was like $200 lol. Unidentified income was probably Smartt paying back the bclub for bar tabs racked up rmoancing Travers, who never even trained with the team, never mind taking to the court for a game yet appeared on their calendar lol. Who on earth is their book keeper? There is more to play out here. Narcissist Jamie O'laughingstock must be looking for another job and packing up his house in WA and I betya he doesn't turn up to the AGM and the current board will thank him for turning the club around and thank him for all he's done blah blah blah. Ousting Trehair was shameful.

As per Perth's social media, Bryton Hobbs back in the League joining Nix after playing under him at Perry Lakes nearly a decade ago. T Jackson and J Grace both on the open market, with the Tigers leading the charge to secure their services. Do the likes of Timms & Gattorna come back to a significantly weaker team if no Jackson or Grace? A starting five of Grace, Scott, Jackson, OHB & Vigor would make Willo very tough with a bunch of youngsters off the bench.

Update on latest movements. Coaches or players ?

Mandurah a shitshow
East Perth a shitshow
Lakeside says hold my wine dont forget us.

Thats what happens when a soccer guy with no idea about basketball is brought in to run the club and Aaron Ford is allowed to advise/consult. Will get much worse there before it gets better. Thoughts and prayers.

Would we expect to see a big exodus from those 3 clubs?

Just going to remind everyone who has shat on TT, the wolves or anyone in between, those clubs are not these basket cases

We need better operators in this league, like Summerville, Winnett and TT. These others at EP, Lakeside and Mandurah are a joke

So the Slammers might be off the bottom of the table?

Lakesides been a revolving door for the past few years but 4 senior staff members have left in a month. Unfortunately one of them isnt AF

Good luck to Mike Milat - you'll need it. Hope you have an option on that contract

Lakeside trying to poach Cockburn and Willetton kids too..

Hopefully parents aren't so dumb

Any chance Malat can recruit some big names to offset the losses?

They should disband East Perth.

Wildcat seems to be a big fan of TT

I am! I'm all for credit where credit’s due.

TT, Cam Britt etc, drove their clubs to a completely new level. Whether people like them or not.

We are talking about basket case clubs too often, and we need more executives with their mindsets on the ground (Winnett too, but Willetton has never really had a governance issue)

@Perthworld EP are a foundation club from pre-sbl District days, so you will never get rid of them no matter how much they defecate their own sleeping quarters. They've been down many times over the years but always seem to manage to claw their way back into relevance and once this current grey cloud moves on from above Mirrabooka, they will be fine yet again.

TT is so confident in himself he genuinely doesn't care about his haters, he just does what he wants and how he wants to do it. Sure some of his ideas regarding branding might not be original or he may lack the communication/ relationship skills that one in his position should possess, but make no mistake about it that he has turned our club around for the better and will continue to do so moving forward.

Look at the current "Power" clubs in the state, all have strong leaders who have done what was needed to get their respective associations to a level which most aside from Willetton, have not seen in the past. Cougars (TT), Tigers (Winnett), Senators (Nipps) Flames (Boucaut) are the envy of every other club and association in the state for their superior financial situations, governance and overall level of professionalism when compared to the rest of the state. It's high time those get the credit they deserved rather than gutless clowns throwing mud on here, as if every club had similar governance and administration the sport overall would be in a much better place than it currently is

So any news on player movements or we just talking about the big boys in charge?

Reasonable summary @Groote

My point is, let's actually celebrate the success stories instead of crapping on methods we don’t like.

We need more like all listed above. Although your communication take on TT is an interesting one as I think most would disagree (unless you’ve been on the end of an idea he didn’t implement)

Slammers will have more guys leaving and bringing in not much I assume

Interesting the Wolves aren't a power club in your eyes?

NBL1 Women Christmas Wishes

What teams really want (need) for Christmas.

Warwick
A bigger trophy cabinet, this juggernaut will continue to get better with an unrestricted Nat Burton allowing possibly a 2nd import to come in. Forster continues to grow as a Lynx DP this year. Can they bring back Fiebich again mid season. Stacey Barr the best player outside the WNBL. They played with 6 all year and injury free, time to develop another role player.

Willetton
A defensive centre. Lubke and Sharp really had issues defending the interior this year. Lubke didn't have her best year hampered by injuries, an import big would just be the solution even with Lubke to push Sharp finally to the wing. Good guard contingent and juniors coming in, the get that import spot right they are contenders.

Mandurah
A dominant 3pt scorer. Shooting from downtown really hampered this team all year with teams sitting in zone with no real threat other than Boag from range. The team has pieces but a high end scorer (like a cracker) with take the pressure and spread the court for Boag and Wittinger inside. Upgrade Little with a scoring guard.

Wolves
A back up big. Undefeated most of the season it’s hard to argue not to just run it back. Morell/Ryan combo was the best 1-2 in the league but a good quality 3rd Aussie big would help take some rest minutes from Morell. Is Kidner a possibility to return. Can Harthill return home.

Cockburn
A second big. The team went real small when Jessie Edwards was off the floor, they loaded up with 3pt threats last year but really the hard work was left to only Jessie inside. Does Hartmann return or do they go with a more inside 2nd big. The team will be full of guards with Cooper and Black back to support Williams and Giants recruit Scaffidi (though returning from injury). Coach Thwaites however pulling of the recruit of the season so far in VIC Country guard Steph Gorman. Former Aus rep guard with range and tough. Great to see players coming this side of the country. Don’t sleep on Gorman.

Lakeside
Injury Free year. Perhaps a coach is second on this list! Who will get the gig. Either way this team had pretty much a complete roster last year if everyone was available and injury free. The rib injury to Jones hurt late in the season and the late arrival of Isenberger. Does Ruth return. A full season of Ruth, Jones and Isenberger is enough to push them into top 4.

Rockingham
A point guard please. The loss of Burrows for the whole year totally derailed their chances of a top 4 finish. Ortlepp is not a PG but tried hard and there just wasn’t the quality of bench support. Kracker is a gun, can they bring her back. Brossman was solid all year. A full season of Burrows or another WNBL level PG is needed.

Perry Lakes
Second scoring import guard please. The team is growing nicely under Mansfield with Clarke, Vlahov, Mcarthy a great young aussie core (plus others). Loomis got better as the sole import last year and could possibly return. This team could really do with a scoring 2/3 to take some pressure off Clarke.

Goldfields
A productive second import. The new comers were fantastic in year one just missing out on finals. Gatti injury was destroying yet they still competed hard. Wayment was a miss though and an upgrade to her position is needed to find a 20 and 10 big to work alongside Mcrae. Losing Gatti I assume for this season and Scaffidi hurts their depth. Finding Aussie depth to add to Klastorny, Borchet is a priority.

Perth
New Talent. Pirini, Jakens, Montroni, Dyer all had down years. The imports were a miss with Lee producing little. The team needs a shake up and build around Hartree. Thorton-Elliot would be great to get back to the club. Raya Thompson back from injury. Parker Esary was a good mid year pick up. Is it time to move on from Mac Dyer?

East Perth
Scoring Import Big. New coach Craig Allen has a lot to do to get this team back into contention but it starts firstly with resigning Blazejewski who I thought was fantastic in a hard year. The team really missed on Dewit and replacing here with better 2nd big is a second priority. Erin Fisher will bolster the front court and Sarah Allen in to replace Moyes. Smith and Kelly with form a solid back court.

Kalamunda
Two import bigs. Suns struggled all year with no real bigs to provide an inside presence. The small ball game of Denehey, Elliot, Pangalos and Bland didn’t work. The team has some nice Aussie pieces to work with in Denehey, Elliot and Harthill. Two dominant scoring bigs is the need to balance out the team.

South West
WNBL anything. The team needs more Aussie talent down there, it would be great if a Lynx player could make their way down the highway. Cibbiatoni was good then left and assume not returning, but an unrestricted Aussie in any position would be great to pair with two quality imports. Carter was good and could return.

Game Changer Dream Wishes
Atwell: does she play NBL1 or head to the USA for another WNBA shot. The scoring wing will likely be restricted in 2022 so do teams wait on her.

Bibby: Does the Lynx forward play in NBl1 west this year or head back east. She is a dominant wing/forward presence inside and out. Great college career and would be a leading MVP candidate in our league.

Sam Roscoe: Played NZNBL after a short stint with Warwick. Will she return for a full season or another cameo early season run.

A bigger trophy cabinet, this juggernaut will continue to get better with an unrestricted Nat Burton allowing possibly a 2nd import to come in.

The imports were a miss...Parker Esary was a good mid year pick up.

Kobe wasnt Nat lynx the previous season and restricted based on minutes. I may have my years mixed up she may of been unrestricted last year.

Perth missed on their initial import pairing of Lee and Tea Charlton. Charlton quit then Esary came in mid season.

Prue or one of his mates will coach the Lightning women next season. Or will soccer guy pull in someone from his vast network of soccer coaches? No Ruth No Dickey and no Isenbarger. Isenbarger to Hawks?

Magic will just continue to get stronger in the women - AGM elections will tell the tale of which team gets the share of funding - while the men will clean out and start again, again.

No one except Sarah Allen is heading to East Perth. Lots of outs and not a lot of ins with that club

Rocko going to replace their coach or stick with Knowles for another season? Knowles needs some decent assistants to get this group to next level.

Burton could have been restricted because it was based on 2020/21 WNBL minutes

Slammers should just give up on NBL1 .. Save ya money and just play D League.

Perth need to load up big time

Kobe wasnt Nat lynx the previous season and restricted based on minutes. I may have my years mixed up she may of been unrestricted last year.

Just when you think EP and Mandurah throw their hand up for basket case team of the comp the Slammers come roaring back!

Word out of Bunbury is the women's program will request to withdraw from NBL1. Vogel is not returning as coach, womens players have been told there is no money for imports so previous seasons players have said they will not play. Cibba is gone as well.

Nobody will put their hand up to coach a team that is not even worthy of D-League let alone NBL1. The board has destroyed the club from the inside

That would be a huge shame if the Slammers do pull out.

Womens comp back to 12 though. Plus more funds into their mens program you would think?

So Fox 33 the fact that the Slammers have just advertised on social media for new women's NBL1 head coach applicants would mean your entire post was BS and just wanted to voice your personal issues with the club in a post that reflects negatively on the Slammers organisation. Unless you have facts and want to provide names of those providing these so called facts, take your negative trolling somewhere else.

Doesn't exactly seem like an exodus from Redback women as previously reported?

Everyone back?

Well there wasn't much there to begin with..

Dyer out and off to Suns to shoot a million shots for no return.

Not sure if Redbacks will be any better

Mandurah lose Armour and Bowie. Is this all that will be leaving or is there more on the way?
Armour to Lakeside, Bowie to????

@Crayfish - Bowie surely following Trahair to the Suns?

Heard Bowie to Cougars with another big name ?

Doubt Cougars bring anyone else in after Alexander and Benning

Bowie would be a surprise.

Didn't cougars use both their import slots now?

Wouldn't be anything new cougars going all out recruiting from everywhere else!

Bowie a PR now would make it possible

Interesting comment Billy Bob! Is recruiting from wrong in NBL1?

Nope. Just don't wrap it up as something else

Seniors not at all

Juniors probably don't

Oh so you're not referring to NBL1 recruiting?

Oh Billy Bob, still bitter.

It's so easy to throw out the recruiting line when there’s never even the slightest suggestion it’s true (like not even remotely). And really, it’s just the other impacted clubs not having the ability to look internally.

It’s such a dumb argument and you’ve brought it up before - a chunk of the impacted clubs would recruit like crazy if they could, big problem is, no one goes there when asked.

Cockburn don’t have to ask (neither do hawks tigers wolves senators), but the impacted clubs do.

And yea I’m referring to juniors and Billy’s tiresome and silly point

No Jakens for Perth Womens. captain put her foot down about coach re-appointment. More opportunity to build around up and coming Hartree

JAKENS WILL BE A GREAT PICK-UP FOR A NUMBER OF NBL ONE CLUBS. WORD OUT OFTHE GOLDFIELDS IS THAT SCOTT MANTON HAS BEEN APPOINTED AS THE MENS HEAD COACH OF THE GOLDFIELDS GIANTS.

Jakens and Wagner both out in one off-season?

Wags will be a loss, however Dyer and Jenkins is an interesting case, rumour has it they were part of the movement to get rid of the last coach.

Pesava out Michaels in at the Wolfpack

@ Bored - Maris Colton out and off to Redbacks too. Nix putting together some talented individuals, will be interesting to see if he can get them to gel as a team. East Perth appointing Carl Filpo as HC, seems maybe money can buy everything after all?? Also heard ex EP head coach Luke Coburn to Hawks along with ex Goldfields HC Creek, seems Parsons needs all the HC experience he can get.

Congrats to Filpo and Manton on their head coaching appointments. Will be interesting to see how they both go as first year head coaches. East perth seemed to be in disarray this year so to get some stability there would be ideal for the Eagles.
The Giants had a great roster and an experienced HC in Creek. Will be interesting to see how many of the guys return for the Giants. Ghee, Daow and Malek were big for them as Aussie contingent.

Hawks picking up Creek and Coburn in coaching staff is a big coup. Can they get the playing roster to contend again?

Senators is also one that will be interesting to see how things play out. For the roster they had they were really looking for a championship. Injuries played a massive factor in them not progressing to the championship. Not keeping that group together will be a blow but one would think that while Brennan is at the helm filling those holes with talented players at least shouldnt be too difficult. Michaels was really the catalyst for me for what got that team going offensively. When he was out they didnt look the same. Majok was solid but probably expected to see more production from him. Ellis being out in playoffs hurt. No michaels next year, does Majok come back? does Wroe get injured in warmups of first game and out for the year? Does Zunic return? Majok? Can Pearl continue his rise or will he plateau?

Kyle Armour back at lakeside. Rumor that Bowie has departed from Magic also. Turner was ordinary this year. seemed a bit underdone with his fitness. They under achieved with their roster, can they attract some other big names or do they slide towards the bottom of the ladder?

Flames have resigned most of their core to return. What happens with Walker? you can imagine he would be highly sought after in east coast NBL1 given his performance here last year. Do Jervis and Hire go around again?

Bowie's departure isn't a rumor, it's been announced.

Turner has been ordinary for the last few seasons minimum. Thought it was a strange signing at the time.

Ciabattoni announced as Slammers women's coach.

Any more news out of Mandurah?

Brian Voelkel back in the league at Redbacks. Very good fit alongside Timms

"The third annual Fuel to Go and Play BWA State Titles Weekend capped off 2022 with a bang, with the Cockburn Cougars taking home four titles amongst the ten Championship Divisions.

The successful dedicated weekend for our Championship Divisions saw intense competition over three days at Bendat Basketball Centre, with plenty of Metro rivalries reignited alongside regional Country flavour of the Mid West, South West and Great Southern.

Cockburn (4), Perry Lakes (2), Warwick (2) and Willetton (2) celebrated championships on Sunday in a jam-packed day full of Grand Final action."


Seems to be the same teams every year. As it was with WABL 2022.

Where is Joondalup, Rocko, Lakeside???

Thanks Tyrone, but I think this thread is titled NBL1 West Offseason, so maybe start a new thread to congratulate yourself about achievements with juniors you've imported.

Looking back at wildcats posts it would be a sad thing if that has been TT this whole time. But there is a pattern!

Bus Driver stop being a tool in regards to the title. Wabl feeds into nbl1 west, so is still relevant in this forum. Regardless of what people think of Ty, he and the strong group of wabl coaches we currently have, are doing wonders turning our wabl program around.

After such a high profile signing with Beveridge, the Flames still continue to struggle with only one team making a grand final over the state titles weekend - How's that investment working out!? Is it just me or is the Flames girls program alot more successful than its boys program!? Asking for a friend

Groote, name a Cockburn coach of note that isn't from another club? All the WABL, hell even NBL1 improvements have been on the back of coaches from other clubs coming in and bringing players from their previous clubs, school programs, academy groups or state teams with them.

If improvements were made with Cockburn juniors who play domestic there, then we would all applaud the work being done up there because obviously the club is developing their own juniors and those players are having success.

But we all see it for what it is, coaches being let in the door and given plum jobs bypassing long serving volunteers. Those coaches bring in handful of players to help win games. Just look at any post made on social media, 90% of the players shown are from other clubs. Most the kids coming across are in state level programming, of course they will improve results.

The facts show not many originally Cockburn coaches or players amount to anything and that is a real shame as they just celebrate the players and coaches from other clubs who make state squads.

Looks nice now but will ultimately be the undoing of the club when these coaches and players who don’t live in the area wont give back to the club in a couple years time when they move on again and long serving volunteers won’t be there to plug in all the holes left.

So the U11 girls is just pure coincidence? Or maybe all the imported 10 year olds won it?

Dumb comment Tiger Eye.

Yes I'm part of Cockburn and would have no issue backing what he’s doing. I’m actually proud of it as a Cockburn member. Ask any parent at that club, they aren’t walking.

You’re peddling rubbish.

Our model works. More and more kids making state programs, and not the new faces.

Sounds like a jealous Willetton member with their program moving backwards.

You missed my point Wildcat.

Cockburn don't actually improve anyone that is from their own program. Outside coaches with mostly outside players. It’s the shortest of short cuts to improve the club. What do they actually do to help their own coaches or players? The sole fact they have to open the doors to anyone and everyone is the biggest sign of they are so poor at developing their own. I believe their version of development is to have some of those recruited coaches run their private academies in the stadium (which nearly all clubs offer)

The U11 girls assuming they all come from their domestic comp is the anomaly not the rule same with the Dimmock kid he’s a gun, everyone else comes from other clubs.

Glad you are proud of poaching other kids from clubs then. Shows that only thing matters is the scoreboard to you. When kids are driving over an hour to get there bypassing other clubs, it shows you the reach and connections of the coaches that they have let in the door.

Just call it what it is, recruitment with a non stop social media presence pushing an unlived catch phrase of "family"

Tigereye you sound like a seriously salty parent of a kid whos not good enought to play or something. Geezz..

Theres a reason players move clubs. If things were great at the current club they'd stay. Choice matters and is important. Honestly who cares if players move clubs at junior level.

I dont know much about the womens side but the main NBL1 Cougars men roster from 2022 and their junior clubs to the best of my knowledge

Carter Skaggs - Import
Daniel Rogers - Hawks
Hayden Bell - Lakeside
Jake Harris - Cougars
Keegan Phillips - Hawks
Matt Clifford - Cougars
Seva Chan - Cougars
Gavin Field - Cougars
Jarrod Holmes - Cougars
Josh Hunt - Buccs
Luke Phillips - Hawks
Nathan Pond - Cougars
Paschal Chukwu - Import

Then they had a bunch of young guys in squad who are cougars juniors.

This is not actually too bad when you compare it to say Joondalup

Tiger eye the fact you are suggesting they drive an hour just for the coach is absurd.

How many actually leave the club? Very few. We are getting a lot right with what we have, ask any of the families that move. In fact I encourage you to. They'll tell you it’s hands down the best development their kids have ever had. Ask the rest of the regulars who have been their for years too.

The scoreboard is actually irrelevant, if you knew a thing about the club. It is actually quite the opposite. The investment that goes into their coaches and kids is not matched by anyone..

Cool... if we take out the 11s, this is roughly the number of kids from Cockburn's other 3 winning teams on the weekend who came from other clubs:
19 Girls - 7/10
17 Boys - 5/10
17 Girls - 8/9
All 3 MVPs were kids who have moved to Cockburn from other clubs.

I don’t have an issue with kids moving clubs, it’s kids sport, who cares. I think it’s more wildcat/Tyrone’s desire to beat his chest that all every success is due to him and his home grown family program while having pot shots at other clubs that probably gets up people’s noses. Despite your many attempts, people don’t cheer for administrators. Toast your success in 11s as part of your program, great result and probably a reflection of a good Aussie Hoops program. But the other 3 aren’t results purely borne from your 'program’, so please don’t use them to have a crack at other clubs, particularly after a weekend of half games.

And Groote, if you think juniors playing a handful of untimed mini games in a weekend designed to get some cash in the door for BWA is directly relevant to an NBL1 discussion then I have some magic beans I’d like to sell you.

BD: If you can't see the direct link between Under 16 & 18 WABL players aspiring to and in many cases, going on to playing nbl1 for their respective clubs and how that totally makes this discussion relevant, then I have a Nigerian acquaintance who tells me in good faith he has thousands of dollars entitled to you, just for sharing a couple of bits of personal information.

Something that I and many others have shown appreciation for from the weekend was BWA enlisting Trav Young from down at the Flames to commentate the Grand Finals on court one. Whilst the stream itself is great, having some commentary and the opportunity for parents and players especially in the younger divisions to go home click on streamer.com.au and hear their name being called out on the coverage may seem small to some, but could be huge for a kid choosing between two sports and seeing that might just be what keeps them in our amazing sport. Great work by Basketball WA and here's hoping it is a regular occurrence for WABL & State Championship's Grand Finals in the future.

BD: If you can't see the direct link between Under 16 & 18 WABL players aspiring to and in many cases, going on to playing nbl1 for their respective clubs and how that totally makes this discussion relevant

@Bored

I could care less about kids moving, it will always happen. The issue I have is the transparency of what their actual tactics are.

Cockburn model is to give coaches with connections from other clubs Champ teams, which brings 5 or so players with them to beef up their teams. Then boast about their results improving with most of each teams best players coming from other clubs. Again the shortest of shortcuts to the top.

If the catchphrase was "basketball for everyone from anywhere" or something along those lines, I'd welcome it. At least they are telling the truth. But the club pushes this family thing, meanwhile actively going out and trying to bring more players and coaches from other clubs in the door thus taking spots and opportunities from kids and coaches who have been there and play domestic there.

I’m sure the quality of coaching is good for WABL level, you would hope so with who they have. Meanwhile most clubs try improve the volunteers they have, Cockburn just recruit coaches again shortcutting any hard yards and actually developing anyone if anything.

If they were honest about what they are up to, it would be tolerable as it may get other clubs to lift their game and build better relationships with athletes but instead they sell “family” nonsense, while quietly behind everyone’s back go after underage athletes to feel better about themselves and the results they get.

I feel sorry for those who can’t see this for what it is, you can like it and admit what is going on at the same time, not just vehemently defend it and pose everything as people just hating.

come point in time when all these kids try transition to senior basketball, some club like Redbacks or Kalamunda will be sitting there ready to pick all these kids off when they get told to play 20s by Cougars or that there services are no longer needed.

So what you have issue with is the marketing of the Cockburn association...
If you do have an issue with the actual practice I think the counter point is that a rising tide lifts all boats. Better coaches and better players coming in improves the training and development for those other kids who were already there as well. Would you rather have your club program have a weak champ team? Or a strong champ team promoting competition and more kids in the levels below?

Also btw, have never played or been associated with Cockburn in my life.

@tigereye

Which coaches have gone to Cockburn and taken 5 or more players with them?

All you've done is thrown numbers out there to back your argument with out naming names hoping people bite. Call them out so everyone here gets the right information.

Cockburn has a "model" of "recruiting" coaches and giving them Champ teams? I cant really think of any. I dont know all their coaches but maybe you are referring to NM?

Its my understanding there was issue at Suns and she called Cockburn looking for a new club. Any club would be crazy to knock back having someone that dedicated to kids sport in their program.

I cant think of anyone else who fits the profile you're talking about.

AS moved ten yrs ago after a similar situation at Lakeside. He lives pretty close by.
MC moved to the area to live.

I have no idea who else you could be referring to.

Maybe this most recent run of the thread shouldn't be so focussed on cockburn and maybe look at a club like willetton.

Why have they gone so far backwards?
Why are their coaching stocks so thin?
Why are their people so un happy?

Wow, since Truthteller wanted to change thr subject suddenly nothing but crickets....where have all you vocal people gone. It was a great question. Also, let's put all the team lists up from NBL1 WEST with junior clubs on them, would make for interesting reading. How many Flames juniors won a championship this year for the Men, how many Senators for the Women? Where does it end/start? Someone (or many) have an issue with TT and Cockburn, is it isolated or rife across WABL?

Stop. Discussing. WABL.

Stop. Turning. This. Thread. Into. A. Pissing. Match.

Haha it's not even WABL Kobe, it’s bloody state champs. Ridiculous.
Anyway, VOELKEL back in the league. Interesting move. Has he been playing? Heard he’d retired?

He's been in Japan league. Triple doubles there too

I like the direction Nix is going with the recruiting for this redbacks roster. They should be in the playoff mix next year.

Hayes Brown announced as signing over east for NBL1 23. Not that things worked out that well for him at Willetton but i would have thought there would have been more than a few other clubs trying to get him to stay over here in the west.

Will slammers be able to field a team in the men next year? Cody Hill just signed at Flames. Will Van De Griend, Barrett and Vogel be able to play in their college offseasons?

Slammers have no money for imports next year on either team, more locals to pack up and leave in the coming months

Pesava signs with Mt Gambier, Walker back at Rockingham, Brody England rumoured to be enquiring at multiple metro clubs, Karratha looking to enter the NBL1 in 2024/25 as the Cyclones. Who's up for a Fri night Karratha, Sat night Geraldton double header road trip each year!?

Rumours circling of a MASSIVE signing for the south west men's team! it is looking like Andris Biedrins is looking at a return to basketball

Also hearing rumours Carl Catalano set to return to the south west after a number of years away

How does the appointment of coaches for State Teams work?

Is it usual for all coaches (Head & Assistant), and the Team Manager, to come from one association?

Is this a case of nepotism by BWA?

https://www.dictionary.com/browse/nepotism

(Mod: Legally questionable.)

my mail down in mandurah is quite simple that the mis-use of members money by the current board has been found out . what was it spent on ? simple question.

Paying a dodgy CEO over 100k a year
Massive player payments over and above salaries
Entertainment expenses, non related NBL1 costs

Ahern jumped before he was pushed. He knew the writing was on the wall and now he gets off scot free and won't face the wrath of the members at the AGM this week. Gutless

Paying a dodgy CEO over 100k a year
Massive player payments over and above salaries
Entertainment expenses, non related NBL1 costs

Ahern jumped before he was pushed. He knew the writing was on the wall and now he gets off scot free and won't face the wrath of the members at the AGM this week. Gutless

Milo.... I'm not sure about leading an army angry members who have all been burnt by MBA in the past is an accurate statement. Members can make their own minds up based on the information provided by the board. But that’s the problem there has been no information provided by the board even after numerous requests and a time to view said information was arranged (and then cancelled by the board).

Members have questions and want to make an informed decision prior to the AGM, at the moment all they have to go on are the rumors circulating of which involve tax fraud, bankruptcy and criminal activities. If the current board have nothing to hide why are they hiding everything and avoiding providing the information requested and why would the president resign not even a week before the AGM?

As for Casey Milo, her credentials speak for themselves and again if we listen to the rumors it’s said that this whole mess could have been avoided by an independent investigation into some questionable expenses made by the previous CEO and Board Members. Now we have investigations started and not finished, legal fees paid for by the club in what again are rumored attempts to get rid of the one member who dared question poor governance.

What a shame the outgoing president didn’t practice what he preached in his resignation letter and conduct an audit/investigation into the spending of the board - what did he have to hide.

Milo (cute)
Dunno about an army of burnt members. More like a lot of folks from all corners of the club who can count and something just doesn't add up.

As for Casey Milo’s CoM job in jeopardy, just another in a long line of veiled threats to silence and punish someone for calling out dodgy behaviour.
Pretty sure she’ll be fine.
Others, not so much!

Let’s see if this AGM finally goes ahead, third time’s a charm.

@LeakyValve - having (hopefully) read the definition of nepotism, to whom do you feel those you're questioning are related to at BWA? I would imagine Coach Cooper's 2 Gold medals in the past 5 years probably speaks to his ability to be reappointed. His manager has managed the entire time, and the assistants, well, the fact you took time to even post clearly says you're a frustrated wannabe who probably isn't qualified to carry Coopers bags, let alone get a state team gig.

@LeakyValve - having (hopefully) read the definition of nepotism, to whom do you feel those you're questioning are related to at BWA? I would imagine Coach Cooper's 2 Gold medals in the past 5 years probably speaks to his ability to be reappointed. His manager has managed the entire time, and the assistants, well, the fact you took time to even post clearly says you're a frustrated wannabe who probably isn't qualified to carry Coopers bags, let alone get a state team gig.

Wow!
The truth is the skullduggery behind the scenes at MBA has been going on for at least 10 years. Milo's comment about "angry members who have been burnt by the MBA in the past" could at least on some level apply to everybody at that club unless they either a) are so new to the scene to be knifed in the back yet or b) serve in a playing capacity and keep right out of the politics.

I was there once many year back and I can tell you Milo is as pure as they come. Remember that watching her get her on court shots and workouts in every morning showing up around 5:30-6am and putting in an hour of work keeping her game ready. You will never find a more loyal person at that club, period!

I suspect perhaps Milo has stepped into the club management role to try and bring some accountability and fairness as she would be trusted, respected and valued by all because of the ultra professional way she has always conducted herself.

Put the knives away Adam and everyone else who slanders her name. FFS her name is even on the damn court.

I don’t believe for one second Milo had anything to gain from being sucked into this gigantic whirlpool of hatred, back stabbing and self serving interests that has been going on for 10+
Years.

If I was at the club today she would be the only person I would trust and I’m sure many feel the same.

@Dire Frisbee

Well you learn something new every day...it would seem it's actually cronyism re: State Team coaching appointments, not nepotism.

To be sure, I’m no coach however it does appear unusual (on face value) that both the Under 20 Men and Under 20 Women Teams have all Cockburn Basketball Association Coaching Staff (according to Cockburn Cougars social media posts)?

JT
In relation to the recently departed president and current board members, I am lead to believe that they are the ones that asked her to come onto the board in the capacity of Finance Director not only due to her club connection, but also her qualifications within Finance.

Funny it's the people that asked for her to stand up and help, commit to yet more time away from her family are the exact ones with the biggest knives.

John Dutton, thanks for giving some context, I am many years removed from that situation.

It's not so surprising when you think about it. It has happened a lot over the past few years, when an individual is pulled into the orbit of club management by request. I know for a fact in the past they have been offered inducements in terms of picking which team to coach and a couple other things. The unquestioned loyalty is expected.

The funny thing is this repeats thre same way every 2 years. Members out of positions in the club cry foul over the board not following the constitution, then they get into that position and ignore the constitution to eject retribution Ad those they perceive as their enemies.

And the needle returns to the start of the song and we all sing along like before.

Milo was an excellent appointment, for her integrity and much can be discussed about her service at the club. But if anyone thought they could get her to look the either way whilst something unserhanded goes on.. big mistake.

She would be incorruptible. There is no positions or inducements/ favours they could offer her that she hasn’t been and done already, got the postcard and did it many years ago.

Good on you Milo for standing up for integrity and accountability. I got shafted many years ago by a board member on a psychotic power trip and the first thing they do if you ask an intelligent question is take offense to it and line you up in their crosshairs for retribution.

I don’t care who you are.. all of you have done it.

Except Milo. With her profile, fingers crossed the character assasination based on petty retribution fails this time.

Hopefully the club can return to being purely a sporting association promoting all the positive things about participation in this wonderful sport rather than the perceived personal fiefdom and vehicle of a very few peoples self interest, and woe be to those who safe to question.

If every one of those board members/administrators etc of the past 10 years put 1% of the effort, energy and zeal into truly promoting the sport and being loyal to that instead of sharpening their axes to strike at their political enemies and serving their own vested interests..

It would probably be the best WABL, NBL1 program in the state.

Oh JT, how misinformed you are. Have you even been involved at Mandurah? While you can't question how hard she works, she is a bully. Plain and simple. Maybe finally someone has the balls to stand up to her so she’s crying wolf? Ever thought of that?

East Perth with a big signing in Jerami Grace

Moose99 - care to enlighten everyone on just how Milo has hurt your feelings? I also know her quite well and have had worked at Mandurah for years in the past and find it very hard to believe she has anything but the clubs best interest at heart. Unlike others that have had positions of power and abused them, Milo is not one of these people. I would have thought after nearly 20 years if she was a so called bully she would have been called out years ago

Just a question. When a certain SBL coach was doing as he pleased with Mandurahs money for years, who were the other board members at that time? Was it some of these long term members who are now calling out the current board? They let JC do as he pleased for years with no accountability.

Watcher - actually no these same people were not on the board at that time.. but they are the same people who worked tirelessly to pull that club out of a deep financial hole through seeking sponsorships and organising fundraising..hence why a highly qualified, highly trusted person was put in place to avoid the club going down the same path.. looks like that is still not fool proof when you get highly egotistical, power Hungary people in numbers on a board.

Moose88 I don't care who u are. I would
Take Milo’s track record over yours everyday if the week, twice on a Sunday!
Fox33 is spot on.
Milo has absolutely nothing to gain from this rubbish, if anything it’s a negative.
That’s why she wouldn’t lie. Nothing to gain from it. As Fox33 said is she was such a person, it would’ve been said and founded 20 years ago.

You do realise her father founded the Kanyana Kings and the SBL representation in the area over 30 years ago right? Whatever Milo is doing I have not even a sliver of doubt, is done with the clubs best interests at heart.

Perhaps the only thing is Milo did not realise exactly how bad the skullduggery has been for years. No doubt she would’ve had an inkling but I’m sure she is shocked and dismayed at it all.

Can we get back to what's happening on the playing / coaching side if things.

Mandurah will sort themselves out one day and none of us really know the truth.

Let's just get on with it.

Can we get back to what's happening on the playing / coaching side if things.

Mandurah will sort themselves out one day and none of us really know the truth.

Let's just get on with it.

How about some 'way too early' power rankings?

Based on announcements so far?

So are the Mandurah mens team still expected to be stacked or will they be struggling for quality on the back of this debacle??

Also with the signing of Grace, are East Perth expected to be losing up with King, Roberts etc again or going a different way?

Plus any other new signings anyone has heard of?

Looking like Rockingham will be the team to beat again.
Redbacks could be the sleeper contender
Timms
Jackson
Voelkel
Hobbs
Colton

Very solid

Bored
Surely Gattorna makes that starting 5 before some of those mentioned or aint he playing there next season

Apart from the genuine contenders (Redbacks and Rockingham) what are the teams to look out for?

Camel - has he signed? Don't know if he has. If yes then its a tough one for Nix. Colton might offer more balance and defense and bring one of the others off the bench.

Joondalup and Warwick sure to be up there. Warwick not announced many but no doubt Luke Brennan will recruit, perhaps a Michael Harris type and/or Zunic/Majok returning

the top 8 in the men for 2022 at end of regular season

1 buccs
2 flames
3 wolves
4 cougars
5 senators
6 giants
7 magic
8 hawks

I think buccs, flames, wolves, cougars, senators and hawks will all be there in the top 8 again.
i think it is safe to say that nobody anticipates magic to be anywhere near there in 2023 and it will be interesting to see how the giants fare. New head coach and unsure on whether they have retained ghee, malek, ford or daow who were all big pieces for them. the only announcement ive seen on any of their core guys from 2022 was smith has re signed.

so who would come into that mix?
Redbacks i think will move up into the top 8
Does a Tigers or Lightning make that jump? Armour and Parkinson back at Lightning. Unsure on imports at this stage but their coach is well connected and anticipate he would recruit well. Does Reath re join the team?
Who do tigers bring in with the departure of Hayes Brown and Clarke? Does Williams return for 2023?
Will trahair be able to recruit anyone up the hill?

WAYYYY TO EARLY POWER RANKINGS
1. Flames
2. Redbacks
3. Cockburn
4. Buccs
5. Wolves
6. Senators
7. Giants
8. Suns
9. Hawks
10.Tigs
11. East Perth
12. Lakeside
13. Mandurah
14. Slammers

Suns4Lyf

I assume that is men's?

Gattorna to Buccs, no issue for Nixy there. Still too many pieces for Nix to try fit in year 1, can't see them troubling top 4. Flames and Cougars the clear top 2 based on all announcements so far. Can't see Hawks going up from 8th, Purser and Cassir another year older and no new additions outside of Clarke coming back from a stint over east. Wolves seemingly spoken highly of, lose Pesava, Colton add Michaels. Does it make them better? Do they have a genuine PG? Buccs still a solid and deep unit, they'll always be tough. Unless Trigger pulls the "Wildcats" card hard to see any late announcements there (do we see Michael Harris as an example suddenly land there?) Rumours also swirling that Blanchfield staying in Perth for winter, does he end up at Warwick to replace Michaels?

What did Cockburn do that makes you think they will jump 4 spots up from last year?

Any chance of the Slammers pouncing on the exodus at Mandurah? Even if it is some younger guys

Rumours of Rocko Women loading up for a title run

Burrows - Napolitano
Pangalos
kracker/ Casey Samuels (rumoured)
Teyla Evans / Opel Mader
Boag

Thats a lot of offensive fire power

he Flames men have Jervis coming Back (Hire is gone).

There are strong rumours Devondrick may come back too.

Is that 7 paid players out of the 8 you listed? Quite the budget.

Loading up? Last year's team was better (if Burrows was healthy).

Nice guard rotation. Forwards a worry. One foul trouble or injury away from a very small ball team.

Kraker to carry them.

They may as well recruit three more and pay 10

Mandurah gonna Mandurah....more shambles than the canals boat ramp during the Christmas lights

Perth Redbacks Women resign Parker Esary

Who is coaching the Magic Men's NBL 1 team?

Cougars announce Sarah Mortensen

Rumour has it Willetton Tigers Men having a hard time retaining players and assistant coaches. All assistant coaches from last season not returning, Oliver Hayes Brown and Hunter Clarke not returning, Connor Mincherton being courted by Lakeside. Do Andrew Black and Damien Scott continue?

No announcements of imports, or who they've resigned yet?

interesting outlook leaky valve

it wasnt the season the tigers were hopeful for in 2022 with what looked like on paper to be a pretty decent roster.
Scott, Clarke, Hayes Brown and Vigor as their main guys. Black, Mincherton, Collins, Fee and a couple of up and coming youngsters in Gerovich and Ibukunolawa to round out the roster.

I said it a few times throughout the season, that they really lacked that presence of a starting PG but still you would think there was enough firepower there in the other positions to make it work.

Clarke was underwhelming in many aspects and didnt give them much offensively, Vigor was interrupted with injury, Hayes Brown was a monster at the offensive end but played near on zero defence. The club ending up parting ways with him towards the end of the season after what appeared to be a bit of a falling out.

Replacing hayes brown will be a critical piece. Can they get a full season out of Vigor? Can they get someone who gives them a bit more than what Clarke did? Can they get a true PG or another wing that can really create and score?
You would also think there is no shortage of good coaches they can call on to assist for 2023. Probably not the biggest of their challenges by the sounds if it.

It will be interesting to see if they go get some American imports for 2023 which they opted not to do for 2022.

Which coach's could they call on internally? They would have to go external for assistants surely, who could they get in now that would actually offer something at this relatively late stage of the process in terms of finalising coaching staffs. Would robbins be able to interest a Matty Knights type as an assitant?

Vince Kelly
Roosevelt Williams
Andrew Black if he wasn't continuing on as a player
Mel Collins if she ever decided she wanted to not coach on the womens side
Michael Winter
Robyn Winter
Not sure if Peter Cooke is still going around down there?
Josh Johnson has assisted in the past and would be a good addition

@boomer

Blake Srdarev
Craig Allen

Vince is an interesting one, not sure how much he has done in the space recently.

Mike winter, peter cooke and Mel were all on the womens staff if im not mistaking last year?

And roosevelt, craig and blake are all at different clubs as I understand it.

But really that list shows they havent really developed any coach's internally over the previous years to be able to even get a look in as assistants. You see the likes of fletcher at cockburn as an example who got an oppurtunity under coops. There a few other newer coach's to the league on other teams getting those chances so why does the largest club not seem to have any one in that space ( maybe they do and I just dont know their stocks well enough which is 100% a possibility).

Every one regardless what club you play for knows Jeff Anderson, now that I think of it they would be crazy not to be asking him.

Any more import signing being made around the league? Expecting some more announcements but not seeing a whole lot

Mandurah are back to their old ways and recycling the trash from other clubs. Cougar family reject Mids is back working there. Does that mean Daddy Colin is on his way to coach the men there? Was Chalky not available?

Trash being??

Mak Dyer up the hill to Suns

Tuach returning to the Slammers

Dan Alexander to Perry Lakes. His Facebook page is quite the read. I wonder what the females at the club think of him.

Extremely Early Season Predictions

1. Senators -Defending Champs have no reason not to be number 1, Forster and Barr signed up, no doubt the rest of their contingent returning. Rumour is ex wolf Phillips will be joining them. Another 3pt shooter doesn't hurt. Can they bring in Fiebich mid season again or does Atwell take that spot.

2. Flames – The biggest movers in the offseason signing 7 starters. Talent is loaded with a starting group of Burrows, Pangalos, Kracker, Samuels and Boag. Evans and Mader first off the bench. They certainly have addressed last seasons depth issues. Biggest recruit though has to be coach Bevo joining the coaching staff.

3. Hawks – Coach Mansfield is putting the band back together bringing back in former player Ash Isenberger, re-signing Emma Clarke and Maddy Dennis returning. Starting group of Gilday-McCarthy-Clarke-Dennis-Isenberger is loaded with scoring punch and versatility. Hawks have arguably the most promising junior group coming in to support them.

4. Magic – Quiet offseason but expected that Boag, Milo, Toeana, Whittenger core to return. Import spot remaining, do they bring in a PG or a scoring wing. Solid bench unit of Halleen, Turner and Bailey. This vet group window is closing.

5. Wolves – Ryan is taking her game to another level with WNBL success this year, Morell also signed with Belcher, rumours are Emma Klastourney maybe taking her talents to the wolf pack, Is Parker- Williams returning? This team was undefeated most of the year, they will reload and will be contenders again.

6. Tigers – Big losses in the off-season, Gandini moving to the Gold Coast and Winter out with injury puts a heap of pressure on their young guard group. Expect Sharp to return and never ending rumours that Lauren Scherf may finally sign for them. Will Sharp be restricted is the huge key for the team. Atwell and ex-tiger junior maybe in the mix as the other restricted player. If they land Atwell or Scherf they will be in the hunt. Des Kelly signed and Foster to play a bigger role.

7. Cougars – loved the signing of Steph Gorman, don’t sleep on her ability to score, Signed Danish import Mortensen to join Edwards in the front court. Black and Scafidi to be good additions off the bench. 2nd Import spot to fill. STarters of Williams-Gorman-import-Mortensen- Edwards.

8. Suns – Mak Dyer is making the drive up the hill to join rumoured big Sam Roscoe, a starting group of Denehey- Dyer- Thorton Elliot- import and Roscoe is a big improvement on last season. Hopefully Harthill can return.

9. Redbacks – Quiet off-season, will be interesting to see the impact of Dyer not returning this year. Core group of Pirini, Hartree, Montroni, Raya Thomspon and Bree bailey returning, just need to hit on two scoring imports spots.

10. Eagles – Big off season move in signing Sam Lubke from Willetton. The left hand big is a great pick up as an unrestricted aussie especially if they can bring in two imports. I would love to see Blazejewski return to play her natural forward position. Expect Erin Fisher to return and Bec Allen to give better guard depth support.

11. Lightning – Catie Jones is returning and rumours that ex Hawks import big Sarah Loomis joining them. I assume this to mean that Big Ruth Davis wont be returning. Not much else to report 2nd import to come in and focus and developing the local content. Will the Jacobs twins return post college.

12. Giants – If losing Klastourney is correct this is a hug loss to cover especially with Gatti likely to miss most of the season with injury and Scafidi heading to Cockburn. Import Mcray was a standout last season on hopefully she can return. They need to land a couple of NBL1 starter aussies for this team to be in play off contention.

13. Slammers – Again not much news coming up the highway. New Coach Ciabattoni won’t be player coach and she have her work cut out to form a competitive team, Hopefully they can land a couple of aussie recruits to go with two great imports. Losing Sears to the SA league is heart breaking.

Whos part of this promising junior group at PL that you speak of?

Klasztorny to Wolves is confirmed so alot of player turnover for the Giants womens team - sad to see as they did a great job last year and were very unlucky to miss out.
They have announced interstate recruits in Regan Turnour-McCarthy and Olivia Berry, no annoucements yet on imports

Gorjok gak to the willeton tigers - very nice

As per the rumours above, Devondrick Walker confirmed as re-signing with the Flames today.

The same squad as last year, except Greg Hire has retired, replaced by Cody Hill from the Slammers.

Not quite the same role, so the Flames will be a bit smaller this year.

coming up toward mid feb and season commences late march. Not too long to go before another season of NBL1 kicks off!

Some clubs still very quiet on their rosters and Im yet to see any posts about practice matches that may have been happening. a couple of musings

has anyone heard what is going on down in tigerland?

hawks making some big announcements with the signing of daniel alexander, mitch clarke and andrew ferguson. Ferguson has been a dp up in Japan so will be interesting to see what he brings back from that experience. Isenbarger, Purser, Smith and a solid core of bench guys should see them back towards the top end of the ladder rather than scraping through to playoffs in 8th.

senators signing ethan elliott after returning from the CoE and word on the street is they have also signed american import Husayn Ford who played for the Giants last year. retaining davis, ellis, pearl, litterick and co. will be interesting to see if Corban Wroe gives it another go after being injured since the last ice age

giants making a few announcements with a new import and another player from over east. keen to see who they have managed to retain from their aussie contingent.

Not much word out of Buccs but would think they would be putting a good team on the floor if they retain muenier and muo with 2 good imports. Hunt another year back from the injury. Does Ducas come back for a run with the Buccs following his senior year at st mary's? or does he go back for a 5th year?

Redbacks with some veteran imports in voekel and hobbs. Add timms and jackson and theres a solid 4 starters. will be interesting to see how some of their local boys perform. guys like Craig and Vogel can be good pieces to their puzzle. Much like Ducas, does Bowen return to his home club and play following his senior season at st marys?

lakeside picking up armour and parkinson brings some good experience to their roster. Jackson, Lee Paleschi, give them some good returners. They have picked up Max Richards from Dandenong who will give them some great athleticism on the wing. will need some high level imports to make them a real threat with the announcement Shervill will be playing in queensland.

Magic announcing the signing of mark utley as head coach. not sure who they will have left on that roster but they desparetly need to get some stability down there and look at their top juniors coming through and develop them.

Flames have the best back court in the league. Walker and Nelson. Add Jervis and beards and you have a great backbone to run for a repeat championship.

Wolves i have not heard

eagles signing grace and a new import to join King. is Roberts coming back? is that enough to bring them off the lower end of the ladder?

Suns ive heard nothing

slammers announced tuach. unsure of any other signings of note

cougars announcing a very nice import signing in Alexander II and field coming back for another season. they return most of their aussie core and will surely be a playoff team again. on another note, does anyone know where skaggs went?

Skaggs is in Georgia (EU) I think

Magic Women address their 3pt shooting with former Cockburn import Kat Tudor.

Erin Fisher joining Sam Roscoe at Suns

Mary Goulding to East Perth post injury.

How many of those are you confident on?? Pretty sure second is happening. Other two not so sure Woj

2nd and 3rd seem weird to me

In fact I think all of them won't happen

Tudor to Magic confirmed

Goulding to EP is laughable

Why is that laughable? No money? Or club issue?

There's no way a WNBL athlete should return there. Revolving door of coaches, limited resources

What's the threshold for NBL/WNBL players being restricted?

20 mins per game, as of roughly early Jan

So no Atwell or Scherf for Willetton, then.

That'll be it for Willo

Step back on last year’s team. Thin at the guard spots

ALSO, do I see the Redbacks have only announced TWO Redbacks juniors on the men's side to date??? Out of 14

Geez Nixy doing what he does best. Not developing.

Can confirm Eryn Fisher and Sam Roscoe to Suns. Still a import spot left as Dyer unrestricted now

Willetton have German import coming in

When is the last time Redbacks have actually developed a decent junior player on either M or W to sign

German import?

They signed a Bosnian yesterday and now have two restricted. They can't do anything else because of Sharp.

Heck of an anticlimax to the Atwell/Scherf debate.

Atwell seems like she might have WNBA interest. Assume Scherf heads back over east?

Did Bibby sign somewhere interstate, or am I misremembering?

Most of redbacks elite juniors in the mens have headed over to college. Bowen and Stone both D1 athletes at great programs.
Will be interesting to see what Bowen does now hes finishing up at St Marys.

Bibby has signed at Frankston

Scherf back over east

Atwell WNBA and if cut, maybe Warwick hold out?

Have practice games started? Who is playing who?

Also think we are due for a March in season thread pretty soon.

Surely a coach of one of the clubs posting under an alias can start something here wildcat?

?? Billy bob

Surely a coach of one of the clubs posting under an alias can start something here wildcat?

Wolves women beat Lakeside women
Lakeside men beat Wolves men