Luuuc
Two years ago

Women's World Cup - Day 1

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Day 1 Schedule

10:30 - Bosnia and Herzegovina v Puerto Rico
11:30 - United States v Belgium
13:00 - Canada v Serbia
14:00 - Japan v Mali
17:30 - South Korea v China
20:30 - Australia v France

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Two years ago

awesome - for those that can attend - what an experience !

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Weedy Slug  
Two years ago

Tier 1 - should comfortably win the WC
USA

Tier 2 - Medal chance
China
Japan
Belgium
Australia
Serbia
France
Bosnia
Canada

Tier 3 - Hard to see any of these teams making it past pool play.
Puerto Rico
Mali
Korea

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Anonymightymouse  
Two years ago

Who is broadcasting it?

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Luuuc  
Two years ago

ESPN & Kayo I believe

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Luuuc  
Two years ago

Looks like it is also streamable on Courtside 1891

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Anonymightymouse  
Two years ago

Thanks mate

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+  
Two years ago

cleared out my Foxtel memory space and have them all set to record ! is that 10.30 EST ?

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Weedy Slug  
Two years ago

3 good games in

USA vs Belgium
Can vs Serbia
Aus vs France




Dropping the teams from 16 to 12 was a mistake, hopefully goes back to 16 next WC.

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Luuuc  
Two years ago

All times in the top post are Eastern Standard, yes.

Looks like every game is available live & FREE on Kayo Freebies.

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Weedy Slug  
Two years ago

Nice comeback by Belgium.

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Luuuc  
Two years ago

Hearing Lori Chizik commentate these games really makes me miss Jeff Taylor & Shona Thorburn.

Apparently Aussie fans might be familiar with Betnijah Laney, because she played a season in the WNBL, in Melbourne :/

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Weedy Slug  
Two years ago

Should have made onlybottom tier seating available. Looks like a tiny crowd when it really isn't.
Lose the music, up the court volume.

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Weedy Slug  
Two years ago

Puerto Rico beat Bosnia 82-58
USA beat Belgium 87-72

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Pasadena 72  
Two years ago

Is that PR result a huge upset Weedy?

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Perthworld  
Two years ago

Hearing Lori Chizik commentate these games really makes me miss Jeff Taylor & Shona Thorburn.

Is that just a case of us having the local rather than world feed?

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Perthworld  
Two years ago

Is that PR result a huge upset Weedy?

Yes, as Bosnia were 1.08 to win and the handicap had them favoured by 16.5 points!

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Perthworld  
Two years ago

So that's a 40 point swing.

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Luuuc  
Two years ago

Is that just a case of us having the local rather than world feed?

I don't think so, because she had a foreign commentator with her.
Turns out that Thorburn is in the other arena doing the Canada game though, which makes sense.
(Good game so far, too)

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Weedy Slug  
Two years ago

Not a huge upset, Jones just got into Australia after wnba finals, was gassed after first 1/4.
Puerto Rico have added guarantes and Hollingshed which is a boost from previous team. Lost gwatmey though.

1 team was bound to make into top 4 in the group, South Korea I doubt will make it in.
Bosnia now have to upset someone to make top 4.

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Perthworld  
Two years ago

Huge upset according to the bookies though - PR were paying odds up to 14-1. You should have bet.

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Luuuc  
Two years ago

You hope when Bosnia is having a bad day that Herzegovina will step up their game to compensate but it just didn't happen today.

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Perthworld  
Two years ago

On the other hand Rico stepped up big time and so did Puerto.

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Luuuc  
Two years ago

Yeah Puerto came out on fire. Rico wasn't even really needed but they joined the party anyway. I think they were both offended by being called Tier 3.

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Weedy Slug  
Two years ago

W.A humour

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Weedy Slug  
Two years ago

Canada beat Serbia 67-60
Japan beat Mali 89-56

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Two years ago

PRico ranked higher in FIBA rankings than Bosnia_H

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Weedy Slug  
Two years ago

And australia is no3 in the world and we've only won 65% games in 3 years...

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Old Coach  
Two years ago

Australia won't medal. Gold-USA Silver-China Bronze-Canada

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Weedy Slug  
Two years ago

The new Spanish coach of Canada is highly rated. Very good defensive coach.
Not sure they can get bronze this tournament but regular medals in 3+ years is highly likely.


Future is bright for them...
U25

Leaders perhaps
Nurse 96
Carleton 97

From this WC, Add exp to
Colley 96
Hanson 00
Konig 98
Gilles 97
Amihere 01
Kyei 03

Highly rated Youth to Bring in
Te-Biasu 01
Day-Wilson 03
Pellington 99
Gibb 05
Russell 02
Hylton 04
Prawl 07
Prosper 05
Becker 00
Fournier 05
Edwards 02
Lattimore 03


Will challenge usa in 5 years imo

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Weedy Slug  
Two years ago

Nurse (25+) captain

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Luuuc  
Two years ago

So during the panel show, Timmsy mentioned that Madgen is pretty banged up going into the tournament.
Thank goodness we selected all that guard depth!

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Weedy Slug  
Two years ago

1 guard short for sure, maybe 2. The panel expects us to win bronze, hope so..

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Ben  
Two years ago

Jenni Screen rivaling Brad Rosen for words per minute.

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Interested Spectator  
Two years ago

"Apparently Aussie fans might be familiar with Betnijah Laney, because she played a season in the WNBL, in Melbourne :/"
LOL
Bendigo is close to Melbourne but will never claim to being part of it.
Perth, little bit further away.

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Dunkman  
Two years ago

Jackson.

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Luuuc  
Two years ago

1 quarter down with no damage done and the LJ bucket out of the way.
Hopefully the nerves are settled now.

Time to crank up the intensity level.

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Ben  
Two years ago

Who was favoured to win this match? I hadn't followed any pre-tourney banter.

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hoopie  
Two years ago

Sandy's tanties don’t fill me with confidence.

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+  
Two years ago

Serbia's defence v our guard situation will be interesting if we get them in any crossovers

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hoopie  
Two years ago

With the amount we depend on the dribble to get the ball up, we're asking for double-teams and to be pressured. It’s not putting France under any pressure, and I can see it being a major weakness later in the tournament.

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Luuuc  
Two years ago

Bec Allen: 4/9
The rest: 4/25

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Dunkman  
Two years ago

Is Rupert of France related to the next star of the breakers.

Opal's missing to many lay ups, defensively very good.

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+  
Two years ago

Day 1 has been very interesting USA looked very good. Australia, France all looking like they have a bit more that will go on the court as the tournament progresses. China good. Belgium - see how their tall's knee knee is.

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Ben  
Two years ago

Dunkman, I thought a number of poor defensive lapses have cost us. France hasn't been 'scoring at will' but I think they've been burning our d and getting some good drives to the bucket.

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Tired Weevil  
Two years ago

Loving O'Hea in the media, she seems really suited to it. Griffin looks a stunner tonight as well.

Hoping we can get a bit of good momentum and break away in the second half.

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Luuuc  
Two years ago

Yeah, I wasn't that impressed with our early D either, though we seemed to adjust and get a bit more in sync as the half went on. So I'm not hating where we're at, at that end at least. Hopefully we keep getting away with a bit from the refs.

Some buckets would be handy though.

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Screeningnick  
Two years ago

1st game to be critical but how can the coaches think Madgen can confidently play PG. Lauren Jackson is faster than her

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hoopie  
Two years ago

We've had the looks and created some good opportunities, but lacked the composure to finish. Hopefully we can put it together in this last quarter

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Dunkman  
Two years ago

Again I'm no expert on womens basketball but our shooting is average at best, to many lay ups missed.

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Screeningnick  
Two years ago

Talbot is so bad

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Luuuc  
Two years ago

I'm no expert either but I've seen enough to know that you're quite right about that

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Tired Weevil  
Two years ago

Talbot is playing uncharacteristically badly.

So many missed shots. So frustrating.

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Perthworld  
Two years ago

Who was favoured to win this match? I hadn't followed any pre-tourney banter.

Opals were which I'm surprised at, it seems the bookmakers have no idea about this tourney so those who follow the women's game closely should milk them.

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Screeningnick  
Two years ago

Opals have never seen a pocket pass that isn't there they haven’t liked

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Anonymou22  
Two years ago

Don't want to be negative Nelly on day 1 but I think the Brondello experiment has run its course
You can't coach 2 teams at the same time.
It is showing in our play, not enough playing with each other, not enough reading what the opposition is giving up, no real flow ...
Guard set up needs a Tweek.
A22

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hoopie  
Two years ago

I'd rather see Jackson down low on attack instead of being (guarded) out on the 3-point line

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Dunkman  
Two years ago

I'd rather see Jackson than George.
I read a lot on hear complaining about the coach, now I know why. Get Timms out the commentary box to coach.

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hoopie  
Two years ago

Agree, A22. France looks like a TEAM that knows how to play together.

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Luuuc  
Two years ago

Well, that went pretty much as I expected, unfortunately

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Red84  
Two years ago

Deserved win by France, whose game was not brilliant, but they still finish their plays better than the Opals. We lost the game in the first 5 mins into 3rd quarter by butchering the ball in offence. The french adjusted their defense, defended higher and looked to disturb opal passing. In particular they paid extra defensive attention to Allen, who buried repeated set shots in first half. Brondello failed to notice or adjust the opal off so just as the defensive heat was turned up on Allen, the opals looked to push the ball more to her. Result - stops and fumbles in offence. Allen is a catch abd shoot guard, she is not so good at this level driving or playmaking.

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Weedy Slug  
Two years ago

I would like to win but the greater good is for us to get embarrassed at our own WC.
I can't be the only one who’s been waiting for a coaching cleanout.

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Kanga  
Two years ago

Opals simply just not fit enough to hang with France. Sloppy offence and passing, and not finishing at the rim. But at the core of it is second rate fitness

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Weedy Slug  
Two years ago

Brent Goriss apart of the cleanout....

We are currently
Slow, Big and Strong with poor mobility and a lack of athleticism.
We get gassed very quickly compared to most other teams.
We get beaten off the dribble a hell of alot.
We struggle to close out perimeter shooters and chase rebounds.
We are the slowest tempo side in the comp.

Was the same in Tokyo, Asia cup, WC qualifiers and now first game of the WC.

We need to transition to fast, lean n mean. More cardio, less strength training.


We were just beaten by a France side not expected to make top 4 , and missing 5 key players. No johannes, no Gruda, no epoupa, no vukosaljevic, no miyem.
3 of the 5 above are regular starters.





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Cosmo Spacely  
Two years ago

The loss of Cambage has set the program back on it heels, for years they relied on a dominant player and the rest was built around that. Now we have no-one that can dominate , we have no specialist point guards and struggle to score inside or outside.

I see lots of lean years ahead and the cleanout of the System needs to start at the top, too many old mates of BA still hanging around clinging onto the old days.

The return of Jackson is a diversion to the lack of talent that is available , we have a national program that cannot produce 1 point guard that can play at this level.

I feel a enquiry coming on after this tournament has finished that will say a lot and do very little.

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Weedy Slug  
Two years ago

Changes I'd like to see if we fail, Something like...

HC Brondello > ?
AC Lange > Seebohm(Tactician)
AC Chambers > Veal(Mentor)
AC Goriss > Herbert(Motivator)
SC Goriss > ? (Cardio, cardio, cardio)
CC Banning > ? (What culture …)
TM Fallon > ?


Does someone like Fleur McIntyre get a shot?
A foreign hc maybe?
An nbl assistant or another coach from wnbl/nbl1?

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Red84  
Two years ago

IMO there wasn't that much that separated Opals from France. I disagree somewhat with Kanga - regarding the lack of finishing at the rim. There is a manic tone to the Opal offence that attempts to speed up ball transition won't solve.
You play to the defence you face - and the Opals are a side KNOWN to enjoy dribble driving, running at multiple defenders and finishing at the rim. The Americans make offense look easy because they do all the little things well to set up good shot looks, they don't seek ALWAYS to finish at the rim - they are trained to find an open spot in/near the zone and pop the shot. In Australia - it is an acceptable mistake to drive to the rim and miss; but it is unacceptable to put up a mid range set shot and miss.

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hoopie  
Two years ago

Cosmo, Kanga, Red and Weedy have nailed it, in my opinion. Especially the 'manic' part - sums it up so well.

I disagree that speeding up our game won’t help - fast movement up the court and finishing against one or two will be easier than finishing against a set defence. And I remember earlier Opals teams that did this.

The other thing I didn’t see much from the Opals was fast passing in a combination to get someone free near the basket.

I feel like our screens to start our offense just aren’t working - too predictable and slow and poorly set - whereas the French ones were really effective.

So pleased Tolo made such a difference when she was on - we just didn’t seem interested in having an inside presence for a lot of the time.

Sandy trying to play WNBA-style games against top Euro-style teams isn’t going to work as we just don’t have the superstars anymore to win the iso battles.

Respect to the girls representing us, and they have the potential to surprise still, but I reckon the odds were always against them based on the coaching staff and upwards.

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Shotblocker  
Two years ago

"So during the panel show, Timmsy mentioned that Madgen is pretty banged up going into the tournament.
Thank goodness we selected all that guard depth! "

She's been injury laden for years , she’s not a true point guard, none of the ones they currently have either in the team or in their squad are true PHs that can take control of tempo and be an “on court “ coach when needed
They are far too old across the board? And LJ looked absolutely cooked after two minutes , she does not look fit even fir a 40 yr old
This isn’t NBL1 easy where she’s the best in a team of players who literally couldn’t win a game in prior seasons with most of its roster

All this hype of LJ the goat, yep she was in her day but not now
And sorry Wallace is not the PG they are making her out to be, sure she can play defence but only in short bursts then gets out of control
Opals need a new coach entirely( BA new new blood too, Stirling in a weight around their neck ) and a new direction
Old school ball just won’t cut it with these fast paced smaller line ups

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Luuuc  
Two years ago

Wallace works her arse off on defence so there's a role for her in the 12.
Problem is our lack of talent has got us trying to fill roles with the wrong players. You can get away with it at WNBL level but not in a world cup.
I mean we've been talking about the guard situation here for several years.
This predicament is mostly a junior development issue IMO.

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Red84  
Two years ago

I spent 5 mins listening to the commentary and realized it was blinkered and excessively partisan. After that i watched the game with sound muted. Minus the noise, you can concentrate on observing what is actually going on.

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Anonymightymouse  
Two years ago

The biggest issue, given our lack of PG expertise, is our entry into offence. The constant trying to feed the ball to stationary targets makes us sitting ducks.

It's as simple as running the SF or SF off a flair screen to loosen the defence on the screener, then we can make our entry pass easily. It's a problem Brondello should have found a solution for long ago.

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Red84  
Two years ago

Good observation mightymouse. And IMO critical to the effectivess of opal offence is its capacity to hit the HP or LP reasonably securely, and have that big secure the ball and then pass/spin/shoot from that position. This is the hallmark of the US team. Look at the ease with which Brianna Stewart goes about it. Don't get me wrong, it is great technique and good team play that makes it look easy.

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Interpreter  
Two years ago

Red84, Timmsy wasn't afraid to call out changes that should've been made later in the game.

I'm shocked that with this big, slow group with limited creators at guard positions (as evidenced last night), we don't play out of the low block more and have scoring actions away from the ball. Everything was a ball screen or a handoff, which played into the hands of the French that applied some impressive pressure.

Maybe I'm a numpty, but Timsy said almost the exact same thing a few minutes after I thought a change had to be coming - but never materialised.

Cayla George has escaped the critique of posters on here: she can't defend at an international level and I hasn't consistently offered enough offensively since Tokyo to justify her minutes. LJ was very effective out there in the same role, and Tolo changed the tone of the game with her injection.

Defensively, the Opals look lost on their ball screen coverage. Maybe I missed something but Sandy called them out for over-switching, when we had given up multiple drives due to a lack of help from the big and a necessary switch....

Not enough ball pressure generally, especially from Talbot. Giving their best players the time and space to catch where they want and operate with the ball in hand will make your job containing them so much more difficult.

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Red84  
Two years ago

Agree with many of your points Interpreter. Certainly in that third quarter, with French defrnse pressing high and committing to block outlet passing lanes, if the Opals had some dangerous options out of Lp or HP - the side effect will be to cause the French to back off and contract the D. But that was a gear the Opals did not use.

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Weedy Slug  
Two years ago

2024

Remain
96 5'11 Wallace sg, not a pg
94 6’2 Talbot sf, not a sg, can also play pf
92 6’2 Allen sf, can also play pf
93 6’2 Blicavs pf, not a sf
98 6’2 Maley pf, not a sf
99 6’4 Magbegor c, not a pf

Out
88 5’10 Whitcomb - will be 36 in 2024 (another naturalised?)
90 5’11 Madgen -
94 6’2 Garbin -
89 6’4 George - will be 35 in 2024
89 6’5 Tolo - will be 35 in 2024
81 6’5 Jackson - will be 43 in 2024

In
93 5’8 Lavey pg
02 5’10 Melbourne cg
96 6’4 Smith c
(+ these 3 would make 9 players)


(3 open spots for) (1 pg-cg / 1 sg-sf / 1 pf-c)
Players I’d like to see tested in the next cycle
+
Players that deserve another shot
+
Brightest prospects

96 5’6 Reid
01 5’6 Amoore - under the radar, playing well in ncaa
95 5’6 Mangakahia - true pg, if she can get back to early ncaa form
98 5’6 Rocci
01 5’6 Heal
03 5’7 Deeble - played very well at u19 WC
07 5’7 Hall - probably the highest rated g prospect in decades.
01 5’9 Scanlon - had all the tools as a junior, hopefully a resurgence
00 5’9 Shelley - has been solid in ncaa
92 5’10 Garrick
00 5’10 Goodchild - great shooter
95 5’10 Wehrung
03 5’10 Swain - has all the tools to be a great sg
04 5’11 Borlase - high iq
93 5’11 Nicholson
01 5’11 Nnopu - could be elite defender
98 6’0 Atwell
02 6’1 Potter - fantastic junior, first wnbl season
97 6’1 Sharp
91 6’2 Kunek
04 6’2 Puoch - probably the brightest sf prospect.
98 6’2 Horvat - could be the next Talbot, minus shooting.
96 6’2 Froling
97 6’4 Mckay
98 6’4 Aokuso - highest upside c if in supreme shape.
93 6’5 Bunton
96 6’5 Scherf

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hoopie  
Two years ago

Given their impact when on the court, Weedy, I wouldn't ditch Tolo or Whitcomb just yet, but keep them as 11 and 12 on the bench, maybe.

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Anonymou22  
Two years ago

Agree with the blow it up and start again vibe.

Apart from anything else, the culture just looks wrong. We used to have a steely determination, now everyone looks, well comfortable..

Real lack of ball movement and cohesion, expecting everyone to create their own shots, not going to cut it.

Our defensive pressure isn't at the standard.

I don't think tweaking will work, full rebuild is required.

A22

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Kanga  
Two years ago

Agree Weedy with the outs, particularly George. One or two very nice moments but essentially blows up after a few minutes and that's just not good enough at this level.

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mball  
Two years ago

I'd be keeping Tolo and George for their international experience and leadership for the next Olympics. George has been leading the huddles and last night's game she definitely showed her worth. Tolo's talent is undeniable too.

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Kanga  
Two years ago

Yep give her credit, George was good when she came back on after the horror start and shot very nicely.

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