curtley
Two years ago

Ethical sports sponsorships

Wondering if the NBL players, via the players association would ever kick up a stink regarding sponsorship like the netballers and cricketers.

I personally think politics and sport can and should mix, but for a league like the NBL surely theyd find it hard to knock back an amount that would in theory give each team over a million $.

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Luuuc  
Two years ago

It's hard for sport & politics not to mix with the reliance that pro sport has on corporate sponsorship.

$15M is a lot to give up for a relatively poor league. You'd want to make sure you've got a proper problem before saying no to that kind of cash.

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Zodiac  
Two years ago

$15M is a lot to give up for a relatively poor league.


That sounds quite specific, have the NBL or it's players just rejected an offer?

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Luuuc  
Two years ago

West Coast Fever are understandably pissed off, as the sponsorship of the club was also torn up even though this was purely a Diamonds issue.

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Luuuc  
Two years ago

Sorry - the $15M was a reference to the netball sponsorship that was terminated today (which I what I presumed prompted this thread)

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LV  
Two years ago

There's an old saying about biting the hand that feeds you

The netballers may have just cut the branch they were sitting on

Be careful what you wish for

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Dunkman  
Two years ago

Sometimes principal should be put first, actually is say most of the time.

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LV  
Two years ago

They don't like something Lang Hancock said in 1984

Lang Hancock died in 1992

The absurdity is incomprehensible

Humanity is regressing

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LV  
Two years ago

You gotta feel sorry for all The volunteers running local netball clubs, considering how this might take the sport backwards

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Perthworld  
Two years ago

Bendat era Wildcats had ethical sponsorship although a lot of it was funded from the public purse.

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Reader  
Two years ago

What didn't the players like about the sponsorship?

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LV  
Two years ago

They don't like something said in 1984 by a guy who died in 1992

I'm not making that up

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Dunkman  
Two years ago

Hancock and his daughter, yes they are a very scrupulous lot. I'm not going to get to political on a basketball form but when you are as old as I am, you have seen a lot. By the way remember axe the tax, that great for the average Australian.

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koberulz  
Two years ago

The NBL added Creek to the commentary team this year, I don't think ethics are something they're concerned with.

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GordonG  
Two years ago

https://www.theguardian.com/sport/2022/oct/22/hancock-prospecting-withdraws-from-15m-funding-deal-with-netball-australia-after-players-revolt

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Perthworld  
Two years ago

Hancock and his daughter, yes they are a very scrupulous lot. I'm not going to get to political on a basketball form but when you are as old as I am, you have seen a lot.

When you've been in the corporate sector or Perth for as long as I have, you hear things.

I can't wait for the time when all the dirt on Gina comes out in the open. Let's just say she is extremely vile.

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Perthworld  
Two years ago

By the way remember axe the tax, that great for the average Australian.

That three letter word ending in x reminds me of something else Gina-related which suspiciously wasn't covered by the media - she is now tax resident of Singapore because in her own words taxes are too high for her here in Australia. Good grief, when is enough enough?

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Dunkman  
Two years ago

Yes PW and it was all started by her father and very friendly media. At my age now I try and just stick to sport.

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LV  
Two years ago

Neither a company nor an individual can simply decide to become a tax resident of another country. Especially someone as high profile as Gina Rinehart. She'd be getting audited regularly

For example, if she owns a house in Australia and has family in Australia and spends most of her time here, then she's an Australian resident for tax purposes, end of story.

If she is lawfully a tax resident of another country then fair play, no different to you claiming a deduction lawfully in your own tax return

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LV  
Two years ago

I'm not defending Rinehart by the way, I know very little about her

But it's a slippery slope putting your "moral principles" first in situations like this because it's hard to apply them consistently

And being offended by the views of a guy who was dead before most of the Australian Diamonds were born, and therefore jeopardising a 15 MILLION dollar sponsorship for a tiny sport like netball, strikes me as the most inane piece of posturing I've ever heard from any athlete about anything.

It deserves to be placed on the same level as Kyrie Irving spruiking the merits of flat earth theory.

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LV  
Two years ago

Just to clarify on the residency thing, if you're a tax resident of two places then a tax treaty will decide which country you're a resident of

But my point was, the ATO looks closely at someone like Rinehart.

In most cases rich ppl are fairly squeaky clean on tax (not all, as proven by Panama papers and other examples etc). Tradies are much more likely to be cheating!

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Perthworld  
Two years ago

Someone's excited.

The idea was as Rinehart was spending all of her time in northern WA Singapore wasn't too far away to FIFO on a private plane, obviously to be a tax resident elsewhere she'd have to be away for half the year.

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Manu Fieldel  
Two years ago

I'd imagine there are companies who wouldn't want to take on the social risk of sponsorship because 'maybe' there is a way they can get slandered for something they've done.

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Cosmo Spacely  
Two years ago

Instead of condemning racism, Gina chose to withdraw $15M in funding.

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Manu Fieldel  
Two years ago

Cosmo, I don't think it warrants a condemning of racism statement

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hoopie  
Two years ago

Given all the racist stuff Gina had to put up with because of her marriage to Lang, it would have been a great opportunity to come out against racism and hopefully to put to rest any ongoing discussion of Lang's racist comments from 30-odd years ago when racism was common as ...

But was it racism that the netballers were objecting to, or her links to fossil fuels, or to mining which intruded on land important to Aborigines, or to resistance to Aboriginal rights, or …? They seem to have had enough options.

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Perthworld  
Two years ago

Given all the racist stuff Gina had to put up with because of her marriage to Lang

Gina is Lang's daughter.

Rose was a gold digger.

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KET  
Two years ago

The irony at the statement criticising organisations/businesses for going into social issues and political when it's something Hancock delves into massively themselves

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LV  
Two years ago

From Sydney morning herald...

[In a statement released on Saturday evening, the Diamonds affirmed their solidarity throughout the process. "Reports of a protest on the part of the players, on environmental grounds and a split within the playing group are incorrect," the statement read.

“The players acknowledge that the support of our commercial partners is critical to the financial sustainability of the sport. The singular issue of concern to the players was one of support for our only Indigenous team member.” ]

I wonder how popular that teammate will be, if the next sponsorship is only $5m or $10m instead of $15m, and it impacts on their wages. And how popular that teammate might be with the netball community given possible flow through effects into grassroots level

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Manu Fieldel  
Two years ago

Just because someone complains about something, whether it's one of those 'moral compass' complaints or not, doesn't mean the complaint is warranted. Being offended doesn't by default mean you're in the right.

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hoopie  
Two years ago

Thanks, PW - major embarrassment over getting the wrong name

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Kev  
Two years ago

Does having a fast food sponsor giving away cheeseburgers make me stop watching game. Hell no. Is it right? Who cares, we are great full for what these sponsors are giving the sport. If we were getting huge TV deals like AFL etc, then maybe the NBL could have social responsible sponsors, however that will unlikely ever be the case with Australian basketball.

I just wish the boomers or Opals suddenly start appearing in Gina's news feeds

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Anonymightymouse  
Two years ago

I would hope BA and LK are already pitching how they can grow women's basketball with $15 mill. Much needed if we want basketball to remain a major women's sport with all the new competition for good female athletes.

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LC  
Two years ago

Sponsorship in Australian sport is dominated by companies that could infringe on many people's beliefs and ethics in a multitude of ways:
- Betting
- Financial
- Alcohol
- Fast food
- Energy
- Apparel + more

So why the uproar at mining's offer to save netball?

Would this have even been a conversation if the sponsorship related to the AFL or NRL?

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hoopie  
Two years ago

Betting to me should always be a NO because of the harm it causes, especially to young people, and its aggressive no-responsibility campaigning gives me the shits.

Alcohol, energy, smoking and fast food I find less offensive, providing they're not rammed down my throat every ad break.

The others, meh

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Perthworld  
Two years ago

$15mil for the WNBL and Opals? Yes please!

Honestly BA should be on the phone to Hancock Prospecting right now. Oh wait, it's BA... *groan*

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LC  
Two years ago

I'm with you PW

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Diop Kick  
Two years ago

most giant companies have skeletons in the closet and have gross people in charge. Its generally how they get big, working their asses off and being cut throat.

the catch is that the money generated ends up helping everyone, god knows where our country would be without mining.

Hancock even donates plenty to indigenous support groups (i'm not saying it makes Gina a good person, its likely for PR/tax/government hand shake deals, but it still helps people)

this is going to hurt netball.

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Dunkman  
Two years ago

Lang Hancock 40 years ago said aboriginal water should have a substance put in it so aborigines would die off as a race.
I'm not certain how patty Mills, Yvonne Goolagong, Kathy Freeman, ash Barty etc would think about it, that’s they wouldn’t be here.
One netball player of aboriginal decent said that she didn’t want a sponsorship on her uniform but didn’t have a problem with the rest of the team wearing it, seems perfectly understandable to me, but the daughter of Lang, who by the way has had court battles with her own children says f..k you.
I’m certain if an anti-Semitic group decided to offer the netballers 15m it would not go past first base.
Money is not everything.

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KET  
Two years ago

Swimming never complained....But it's also one of the whitest sports going around

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Anonymightymouse  
Two years ago

They guy who said that is long dead. The company has poured millions and millions into indigenous causes since. This should have been solved by getting the sponsor and the player in the same room, stating that is not the belief of the company or its owner, and showing the support they give to so many community and sporting causes before this issue ever got into the public sphere.

https://www.nit.com.au/when-it-comes-to-roy-hill-and-gina-rinehart-actions-speak-louder-than-words/

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Dunkman  
Two years ago

Maybe Gina could have apologised on behalf of her father, and yes all moved on. The holocaust happened and the German nation apologised, yes I know Lang didn't actually get to put in his platform but history is now telling us a total different story to the taking of this nation and the treatment of aboriginals as employees.

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KET  
Two years ago

It wouldn't be a conversation on ethics without a Nazi reference

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Diop Kick  
Two years ago

she probably didnt think sponsoring a sport would create work or require her to prepare media releases.



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Luuuc  
Two years ago

I just wish the boomers or Opals suddenly start appearing in Gina's news feeds

The Perth Lynx slid into Gina's DMs over the weekend as soon as they heard what had happened to the netball sponsorships, according the The West.
Good on 'em.

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SP  
Two years ago

Can't see Rinehart supporting basketball. I think basketball may prove to be a similar minefield to netball (though I didn’t expect NETBALL to raise this issue tbh).

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Frisbee14  
Two years ago

I wonder when Cambage joins the conversation?

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