Weedy Slug
Two years ago

COE due for overhaul?

Are we going to see an overhaul?, so many leaving with so few new scholarships.

Quite a few imo would not make jnr n.t for u19 04/05/06 2023 or the following in 2025.


Nba global
05 Dent
05 Briggs
06 Fennell
06 Siulepa
05 O'Donnell
06 Zikarsky


COE M - likely all gone by early/mid next year
04 Henshall
04 Hawke
04 Kovatchev
04 Toohey - Gonzaga
04 Condon
04 Bradtke - St Marys
05 Hughes
04 Yaak
04 Beatty - Sacramento state


COE W - not sure many should remain
06 Harvey
05 Gray
05 Clark
06 Shiels
06 Bird
05 Hanson - Sacramento state
05 Petrie
05 Juffermans
04 Gordon
06 Portlock

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Pinch  
Two years ago

I've heard a few new girls have scholarships in the new year but nothing has been announced as yet.

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Aussie  
Two years ago

Apparently Rory Hawke is headed to St Mary's

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Aussie  
Two years ago

How good is Harrison Beauchamp?

Is he likely to get a NBA Global Academy scholarship?

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Weedy Slug  
Two years ago

The global academy can only have 6 Aussies max I believe but I'm not sure all are returning.

The boys Coe needs a complete rebuild, I’m not sure which 06/07 talent would be chosen. Potentially Daniels, plus the rest of the u15 oceania side.

06/07 in the girls, lots to choose from, imo not sure anyone bar Shiels and Portlock should remain. The rest have been easily overtaken by younger talent, are off to college or no longer would benefit by staying at the Coe and would be better suited to playing nbl1 or training with wnbl teams.

On potential, probably go with
06 Deas, Metcalfe
07 Hall, Seumanutafa, Taylor, Somfai, Jackson

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Weedy Slug  
Two years ago

Maybe?
Cheeseman
Cotton
Daniels
Walker
Furphy
Beauchamp
Brammall
Bucknell
Clague
+2

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Weedy Slug  
Two years ago

3 new scholarships.

06 CG 5'7 B.Deas VIC
06 SG 5’10 M.Bobongie QLD
06 C 6’5 S.Metcalfe WA

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Weedy Slug  
Last year

Update

NBA GLOBAL
05 Dent
05 Briggs
06 Fennell
06 Furphy
07 Kuany
06 Siulepa - Brisbane Bullets TP
06 Adair
05 O'Donnell
06 Zikarsky

COE MEN
04 Hawke - St Marys
04 Henshall - Perth Wildcats
04 Kovatchev - Sacramento State
04 Toohey - Gonzaga
04 Condon - Florida
04 Bradtke - St Marys
05 Hughes - Evansville
05 Bodija
04 Yaak ...
04 Beatty - Sacramento state

COE WOMEN
06 Harvey
05 Gray …
06 Deas
06 Bobongie
05 Clark …
06 Shiels
06 Bird
05 Hanson - Sacramento state
05 Petrie - Nebraska
05 Juffermans …
04 Gordon …
06 Metcalfe
06 Portlock


Coe men starting to look like they will have no one left

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Pasadena 72  
Last year

Would you take Lehmann on the girls side?

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Weedy Slug  
Last year

I don't make the decisions but no I wouldn’t. Likely will get a spot though.

I’d aim for
07 Hall for 05 Gray
07 Seumanutafa for 05 Clark
07 Somfai for 05 Hanson
06 Clarke for 05 Petrie
07 Crook for 04 Gordon
07 Jackson for 05 Juffermans

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Pinch  
Last year

Hall didn't accept the scholarship. Staying home

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SixersFan  
Last year

Why would Hall not accept the scholarship. I guess maybe still a bit young

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Weedy Slug  
Last year

Probably better she doesn't, depending on who her private trainer is.
I hear 2 have accepted.

No idea what’s happening on the mens side.
Need 6 + more very soon.
Assuming alot of bigs since almost all will be gone.



G
Renfree
Cheeseman
Daniels
F
Beauchamp

Big options
Rowlings
Dimmock
Bucknell
Whitbourn
Clague

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XXXX  
Last year

Apart from getting almost automatic Oz team selection, there is no benefit for a kid from Melbourne, Sydney, Adelaide or Brisbane going there. Hall is an auto selection anyway because she's so good, so there is no benefit for her at all. There are better coaches and far better competition and training partners available to her where she is, not to mention the benefit of being with her family.

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Weedy Slug  
Last year

True, the only benefits developing chemistry, learning more about your body and playing against better opponents more regularly.

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XXXX  
Last year

They don't get to play against better opponents there! Against better kids their own age, maybe, but even that is questionable.

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Weedy Slug  
Last year

They play nbl1 which is better than u18 PL.
Unless she plays for Bankstown in nbl1.

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sec  
Last year

Taser giant Kye Savage with CoE Scholarship.

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sec  
Last year

*Tasmanian ^

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Weedy Slug  
Last year

Bit odd after offered dp spot at jackjumpers.

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Bela  
Last year

I know Somfai 07 got a scholarship as well in back in January but its unfortunate she is still waiting for some of the older girls to move out so she can have a spot

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Weedy Slug  
Last year

Several should have been moved on prior to nbl1 starting, no reason they should still be there.

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JJ  
Last year

Actually they were asked to stay because of the u19 world championships. There was only 3 girls that finished school, Petrie, Hansen and Gordon. Petrie definitely making team maybe the others stayed to guarantee their spot in the team

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Weedy Slug  
Last year

If they pick mostly Coe players again over much better players in nbl1, that should be the end of the program imo. No longer about the best, it's about BA trying to make it look like they are.

Only 4, maybe up to 5 players from 13 at the Coe should make it, the rest are playing wnbl or nbl1.


Locks clearly
Puoch
Borlase
Loughridge
Heal
Clark
Petrie
Juffermans

doing pretty well
Brazel - Sturt nbl1
Twidale - South West Metro - nbl1
Henderson - Manly nbl1
Burrows - Diamond Valley nbl1
Ananiev - Wyndham big v
Crawshaw - Sydney nbl1
^
Easily take any of these over rest of Coe 04/05

Double/triple Bottom agers
06
Shiels
Bobongie
07
Hall
Somfai

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Bballfan  
Last year

'07 - their time will come. Too big a jump for the time being IMO.

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Weedy Slug  
Last year

Not sure about that,
The asia squad last year was

Loughridge-Heal-Rotunno
Borlase-Shiels
Puoch-Burrows
Petrie-Nelson-Hanson
Juffermans-Gordon

Both 07s are better than some others from last year

Brazel should be a lock
Clark should be a lock

Backup C a real problem and the only good performer atm in the post is 6'1 Crawshaw.
They probably should move Petrie to backup c. Puoch to pf, Brazel or Clark into the s5.


With no triple bottom agers

Loughridge-Heal
Borlase-Clark-(Shiels or Twidale or Bobongie, a third ball handler)
Brazel-(Burrows or Shiels)
Puoch-Ananiev
Juffermans-Petrie-Crawshaw

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Bballfan  
Last year

Hope Brazel gets the call. Seems to be working back up to her pre-injury levels.

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JJ  
Last year

I don't think Crawshaw got an invitation to the camp. I will guarantee the team will be majority of COE girls and I’m betting the other centre will be portlock or Gordon.

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Weedy Slug  
Last year

Didn't get an invitation but tbf was not good at ajcs.
Different now though, been very solid for Sydney.

Yes unfortunately it’ll probably end up being a centre prospect chosen. Not really someone who is contributing now.

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Bela  
Last year

Triple bottom Agers got removed from the u19 camp invitation.

07 Jessie May Hall
07 Lara Somfai will only attend the u16 Asia camp

Apparently the two tournaments clash.
U16 is in Jordan between 10-16th of July and the u19 is in Spain between 15-23th of July.

So the youngsters will only attend the u16 Asia camp next week.
The girls that are invited are already headed to the u19 camp.

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Weedy Slug  
Last year

It looks like they invited a couple more.

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Bela  
Last year

Yes, as I'm aware the following players also received invitations
VIC S Burrows, P Burrows, Pouch, Portlock, Aniev, Harley, Carmody.
TAS Gray
WA Vlahov, Clark

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Bohemian Rhap  
Last year

When do BA release camp lists?

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sec  
Last year

^ Sometimes BA don't release camp lists...

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Weedy Slug  
Last year

Without the best, hard to see getting a silver medal or higher this u19 tournament, USA are very good, so too Spain(few injuries) and France, Canada also have some nice players.

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Weedy Slug  
Last year

They invited quite a few from college also it seems
Heal, Nelson, Fearne, Jacobs

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Pinch  
Last year

Had anybody got the U16 women's squad. Seen a few names trickle through but interested in which 20-odd are in the squad.

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Weedy Slug  
Last year

Nba global
05 Dent
07 Daniels
05 Briggs
06 Fennell
07 Walker
06 Furphy
07 Kuany
06 Siulepa - South West metro nbl1
05 O'Donnell
07 Pilimai
06 Zikarsky - Brisbane nbl


COE M
05 Savage
04 Henshall - Perth nbl
04 Hawke - St Marys ncaa
04 Kovatchev - Sacramento state ncaa
07 Beauchamp
04 Toohey - Sydney nbl
04 Furphy
06 Adair
06 Rowlings
04 Condon - Florida ncaa
04 Bradtke - St Marys ncaa
05 Hughes - Evansville ncaa
04 Yaak - New Mexico State ncaa
04 Beatty - Sacramento state ncaa


COE W
06 5'9 Harvey
05 5’9 Gray - Sacramento state ncaa
06 5’9 Deas
05 6’0 Clark - Canberra wnbl
06 6’2 Shiels - Townsville wnbl
05 6’2 Hanson - Sacramento state ncaa
05 6’2 Petrie - Nebraska ncaa
06 6’3 Bird
07 6’3 Somfai
05 6’4 Juffermans - ?
04 6’4 Gordon - Gold Coast nbl1
06 6’5 Metcalfe
06 6’7 Portlock

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Pat Bev  
Last year

I heard Charlie Dimmock/ WA is joining COE in Jan 24

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Weedy Slug  
Last year

04 furphy possibly to reclassify, will be a top level ncaa team or maybe even nbl next star

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Weedy Slug  
Last year

Forgot 06 Bobongie at coew

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Weedy Slug  
Last year

Sophie Taylor gets a scholarship.


COE Women 23/24
06 5'9 Harvey
06 5'9 Deas
06 5’10 Bobongie
07 6’1 Taylor
06 6’3 Bird
07 6’3 Somfai
06 6’5 Metcalfe
06 6’7 Portlock

Expect 3-5 more new scholarships.

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Frogface19  
Last year

My understanding is Sienna Lehmann has a CoE scholarship starting next week... any truth ?

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Weedy Slug  
Last year

I think I'll wait till they are announced, I know of 2 others.

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Frogface19  
Last year

It will be interesting to see who they have offered them to, or should I put it this way, which player accepted their offer !

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Bballfan  
Last year

Who has not accepted an offer?

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Frogface19  
Last year

Jessie May Hall decided against it

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SixersFan  
Last year

Can someone explain why Hall not going to COE is a better decision?

I think others in the past have said then she gets to continue to train with her father and she trains/plays with the NBL1 girls. However surely COE would be more intensive with a full program rather than some semi professional league and they still get to play against the NBL1. I'm not trying to start a flaming war but genuinely interested to see others feel it is a better choice for her development.

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XXXX  
Last year

Because she will probably be happier living with her family and being near her friends than living in a dorm room with a bunch of people she hardly knows! From a performance viewpoint, why change what is obviously working?

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Blues67  
Last year

XXXX - agree 100%
Good on her for rejecting the COE

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Red84  
Last year

I concur with XXXX. I would add that such a decision could reflect 3 positive developments. I do not possess information particular to Jesse May's situation: First - there seems to be a bit more scholarship money around for junior ballers in Sydney in recent years. Here I'm thinking Barker College.
Second - I think the quality of SPP in NSW is pretty good (others will disagree) which is an add factor;
Third the advent of NBL1 - although Bankstown is a weak team - other talented juniors have taken the opportunity to play for more competitive clubs.

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Weedy Slug  
Last year

Because rarely do players get better at Coew...
They are coaches, not trainers.

If they do go, opportunities galore… but not a guarantee to become a better player.
These days much better going with private trainer but it costs $$$.

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Frogface19  
Last year

Each to their own, obviously JMH is happy with her pathway, so good on her ...her pathway of using her dad as the main coach is not for everyone and neither is the CoE…

Do I assume the CoE scholarship is fully funded or partial ? Does the family still need to fork out $$$

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Frogface19  
Last year

Taylor/Lehmann/Somfai announced today for CoE

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Weedy Slug  
Last year

Let's be real... do you see this side being successful at u19s in 2 years time?

07 5’8 Lehmann
06 5'9 Harvey
06 5'9 Deas
06 5’10 Bobongie
07 6’1 Taylor
06 6’3 Bird
07 6’3 Somfai
06 6’5 Metcalfe
06 6’7 Portlock

Apart from Somfai you could easily find a better player in each position outside the COE.

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SixersFan  
Last year

Lehmann the one that just won MVP? Time to give her more credit

Taylor was handy also

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Interpreter  
Last year

Which begs the question whether the CoE is serving it's intended purpose if the best prospects aren't being identified or accepting scholarship offers.

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Weedy Slug  
Last year

She's good.. just not the best.

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Weedy Slug  
Last year

COEW
PG Harvey(06) / Lehmann(07)
SG Bobongie(06) / Deas(06)
SF Shiels(06) / Taylor(07)
PF Bird(06) / Somfai(07)
C Portlock(06) / Metcalfe(06)

Don't think they were expecting Shiels to leave so soon, expect a wing.

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TRFC  
Last year

Surely it's not always about the best right now but about potential?

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Weedy Slug  
Last year

But it's neither...

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hoopie  
Last year

I think we need to separate two issues here.

The CoE is about identifying the best current and potential talent, and then giving them the opportunity to excel. If anyone in the top 10 doesn't take up a scholarship, then CoE offers one to #11, and so on. They would still be giving excellent or promising players the chance to get better (even if they’re not necessarily the absolute best in the country.

What pisses me off about the CoE, however, is that it seems to provide an automatic pathway into the national team at the exclusion of other pathways for talent. Whether it’s due to politics, or cost, or the system that coaches want their players to be comfortable playing, or favourites or personality clashes or whatever, the national teams should be thrown open to ALL good prospects, and let them sort it out objectively (!) at trials. The CoE is just ONE means to the end, and should never be the only one.

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XXXX  
Last year

I'll be interested to see Deas play at a higher level. She seems very good from what I've seen, just perpetually injured.

They better have a good shooting coach at the COE as they will have their work cut out with that group.

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Frogface19  
Last year

possibly not weedy, but we all thought this current U19 side would be successful only to be the worst finishing side in history.

Im hoping that list you have presented develops a bucket load in the next 24 months and proves us all wrong

XXXX agree shooting isnt a great strength looking at weedys list

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larrycucumber2  
Last year

Weedy Slug's knowledge is off the charts. Much respect mate :)

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Frogface19  
Last year

Agree Larry cucumber, great isn't it

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PlaymakerMo  
Last year

Hoopie, if the 11th best player has a realistic shot of representing Australia as an Opal or Boomer then I suspect most would 100% agree.

That's unlikely to be the case in this instance, but scholarships are offered regardless because of how the system is structured.

The automatic selection into National teams is wrong on so many levels, regardless of who accepts CoE scholarships.

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Weedy Slug  
Last year

U19 WC women

2015
11/12 COE

2017
10/12 COE

2019
9/12 COE

2021
10/12 COE

2023
7/12 COE - would have been 8/12 without injury

2025
6 or 7 / 12 COE the minimum?

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Hmmm  
Last year

Is the school year an impact in decision making for offering scholarships? IMO Maddie Potts is best shooting guard in the 06 age group except she's a '24 graduate and just committed to college. If she was '25 would she get an invite?

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hoopie  
Last year

You proved our point, Weedy. Ouch!!!

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XXXX  
Last year

Potts had a field goal % of 28% and 3pt% of 28% at the AJC's. She probably is good enough talent wise, I think she's significantly better than Harvey for example, but she didn't really bang the door down when she had the chance.

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Yep  
Last year

Potts got better as the AJC tournament went on, especially against Vic country in the quarter finals.

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Frogface19  
Last year

Whisper floating over the border is that Coco Hodges has told West Adelaide she is quitting basketball ! Big news, maybe BSA need to consider the workload of their HP kids!

Thoughts ?

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Pinch  
Last year

She is a great player. Shame to lose her.

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Frogface19  
Last year

I agree, from what I've seen she’s an excellent player and I hope she’s not lost to basketball.

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Bballfan  
Last year

Whispers? Wait for the facts.

And, why draw the conclusion and then smash HP for workload. If true, could be any number of reasons.

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Frogface19  
Last year

Believe me I don't want to see any kids not playing, she’s a genuine gun.
Watch this space .....

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Blues67  
Last year

That sucks if this ends up true. Really impressive at Asia Cup, a genuine talent :-(

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Pinch  
Last year

Lehmann over Perkins to the COE due to her being a few inches taller...…..you can't make this stuff up!

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Interpreter  
Last year

Has Crook taken up a scholarship as well?

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Pinch  
Last year

Yes

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Weedy Slug  
Last year

COEW
PG Harvey(06) / Lehmann(07)
SG Bobongie(06) / Deas(06) / ?
SF Taylor(07) / ?
PF Somfai(07) / Bird(06)
C Portlock(06) / Metcalfe(06) / Crook(07)

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Pinch  
Last year

Who will fill the next 2 spots Weedy? On talent Perkins however then too many small guards. What other 07 girls worthy of a scholarship? Maybe wait to the 08 girls but still none have set the world on fire just yet.

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Frogface19  
Last year

Perkins should be a walk up IMO, best PG in her age. I believe she's an October born and you need to be 16 to be available for the CoE? Im sure you good people will tell me otherwise if this isnt correct.

BUT...She should be clearly the next one in if its an age thing

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Weedy Slug  
Last year

I'd be taking these 07 players below over others chosen.
It looks like they are already moving on from 2006s...

Perkins
Hall
Fotu
Seumanutafa
Dakic
Bijkerk
Mead
Jackson

I’m aware some have declined


Certainly other players outside of those above have potential too.

Mccowan
Corasaniti
Hodges - was one of the best performers in asia
Finney
Aherne
Notoa
Cougle
Petrie
Russell
Hanson

08s for another day…

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XXXX  
Last year

Sophie Taylor is still 15 so doubt it is an age thing. Perkins is very efficient and consistent but lacks creativity and is not a particularly good defender. I'd say the COE coaches have seen the same thing.

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SixersFan  
Last year

Weedy I don't get your Jackson bias. She barely got on the court at recent 18s nationals. Even at 16s Nationals she shot at a poor percentage and only scored 8PPG. Yet someone like MVP Lehmann yeah nah replace her with someone else.

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Weedy Slug  
Last year

No bias from me.
Looking to the future, I'm just making my prediction.
I think Jackson > Crook.

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Pinch  
Last year

Sorry weedy. That would be you're worst take ever, and I respect your opinion.

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Frogface19  
Last year

@weedy, I always enjoy reading your predictions and comments.
I'll be interested in what you think the CoE will do with the 08/09 intake.. this could be an interesting read!

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Interpreter  
Last year

If that's Weedy's worst take ever then he's doing very well! Personally I agree with his picks for the most part.

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Pinch  
Last year

So do I

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Blues67  
Last year

Weedy - If the earlier post is to be believed, Hodges won't be considered if she’s likely to quit the game altogether

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Pasadena 72  
Last year

I wouldn't believe everything you read.

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Weedy Slug  
Last year

08
Mcmechan
Mccowan
Halwala
Turner
Tredrea
Bond
Bobongie
Nousis
Myers
Chopping
Chisi
Gardiner
Trout
Fagan
Kemp
Hastings
Juffermans
Aukuso
Smith
Melksham

09
Fakalata
Robinson
Catip
Hardin
Elliot
Hocking
Thorburn
Olechnowicz
Scarafilo
Ljubicic
Smith
Stockley
Puoch
Foai
Ryan
Barbakas
Ilic
Richardson
Manyok?
Johnson


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Interpreter  
Last year

The best two teams are notably lacking representation for my liking.

I'd have Drmic, Brown, Jones and Crase ahead of several others listed.

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Weedy Slug  
Last year

Which brown?

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Interpreter  
Last year

Elisa Brown '09. I've seen her play considerably better with competent coaching.

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Frogface19  
Last year

Thanks weedy..

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Frogface19  
Last year

I'll keep an eye on this in a few years time, I bet your list is nearly 100% correct as per normal.

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Weedy Slug  
Last year

Brown is a great ball handler but has got little else atm, I thought you meant brown from GC qld

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Frogface19  
Last year

I was impressed with Poppy Myers from Vic Country in WA.
Is she is n.t contention ? She's an '08

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Frogface19  
Last year

Sorry should've read your list better weedy

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XXXX  
Last year

Lily Newman-Morris who was a reserve in the Vic Metro team has apparently been added to the VNPP. If she had played in Perth she would definitely be on the list of top 08's, she's probably the most skilled player in the age group.

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Frogface19  
Last year

XXXX like this mate, heard great things and wondered why she wasnt in WA. Any feedback why she wasnt in WA?

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XXXX  
Last year

The only knock on her is she's a bit slow, but she is big for a guard, and a truly superior ball handler, passer and shooter. The Vic Metro coach was from her club (since been moved on) so she has no excuse for not knowing about her. Her skill set would have complemented McMeachan who is a great driver and in transition but doesn't have much gravity in the half court. She made a similarly poor omission last year not selecting either of the Dandenong guards, who would have complemented Dakic because of their shooting.

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Frogface19  
Last year

interesting selections sometimes isnt there!

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XXXX  
Last year

More incompetent than interesting. There was a similarly bad decision this year in 18's not selecting Zoe Rakogianis, who is probably the best performed player in VC this year.

Hopefully neither Vic Metro Girls u16 or u18 coaches is reappointed!

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Pinch  
Last year

How you perform in your state competition doesn't always translate at a nationals I.e. more quality defenders, better offensive players.

Then sometimes selectors get it wrong. I know every team I’ve selected I’ve got 1 wrong. You think a kid will do well they don’t, I’m yet to see someone go 100% in their selections

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XXXX  
Last year

What else can you go off though, if they haven't already played at the higher level? It's where you see comparative performances amongst the kids you are selecting from. Obviously, each individual skill set is relevant as is their particular situation. At the end of the day, kids who stand out on Friday nights should be rated ahead of kids that don't, then adjust selection for team balance. That is both the best and fairest way to make selections.

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Pinch  
Last year

I agree but I tend to look beyond stats and look at how and when they score points which seems to be the main argument when talking about non selection.

Garbage time points when you are already 20 up and couldn't score when the game was tight or having another dominate player on the team means the defence is set for the dominant player and this another player gets more open looks.

Victoria seem to have more HP camps than anybody and should get a good understanding of who can score when tightly guarded without the help of the focus of another player drawing help defence away from them.

That’s why 16’s is always a tough one with a few players making it they maybe don’t perform at the level expected and don’t make it again. Or certain players having a longer development timeframe than others and have more room for errors. Eg 6’3’ girls and 6’9" and above boys

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Mike 14  
Last year

Hi XXXX,
Great news about Lily N-M. Don't listen to those who say she is slow- she has great game sense and anticipates better than most her age. Also has developed super passing skills and various ways of scoring herself. In other words, plays like a senior at 14 or 15. In my humble opinion, should have made the Vic team, but selections are always difficult. As it turned out, would have probably missed the carnival with an injury.

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Juice  
Last year

XXXX, I believe state head coaches are not the only selectors at state team trials. The HP managers in each state program are involved and have to sign off on it. They can over rule a coach if it's necessary.
Unless you are at these selections and saw how the athlete trialed against the best in the state at their position how can you be so definitive a gross error was made? My daughter in particular did not trial well even though I believe she is more talented than others who got picked. She couldn’t handle the pressure and didn’t do what the coach asked of her in selection games so she needs to be better period.

And I’m sorry, I was with you until you mentioned Friday nights and how coaches should be outcast for not picking a player. You lose all credibility with those opinions and sound like a disgruntled parent.

Friday nights are no indicator of a players ability to perform against the best in the state or the nation. There are plenty of players scoring high figures that are not state level they are just the best player on bad teams.
As for the coaches, there always will be kids who miss out on selection at state and national level it’s not the end of the world and heads don’t have to roll. You don’t have to tear people down to inflate a players talent or to support them. For your player to be selected there has to be one that is deselected so who is that? Say it and watch how many others comes to tgat players defense?

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Juice  
Last year

XXXX, I believe state head coaches are not the only selectors at state team trials. The HP managers in each state program are involved and have to sign off on it. Should they be moved on also?

I was with you until you mentioned Friday nights. You lose all credibility with that opinion. Friday nights are no indicator of a players ability to perform against the best in the state or the nation. There is no pressure on Friday nights except from overbearing parents . There are plenty of players scoring high figures that are not state level they are just the best player on bad teams.

Lastly, unless you are at every selection session and see how the athlete trialed against the best in the state or nation at their position how can you be so definitive a gross error was made and the coach should be outcast?
Some players do not trial well. Some can't remember plays, some don’t fit in certain playing styles, some have low IQ, some have bad body language, some cant defend, some just aren’t consistent performers. All I know is if picking the perfect 10 out of all those players was so easy the lotto wouldn’t be 100 million on Thursday ..lol I don’t think any two coaches would pick the same team.

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Juice  
Last year

Apologies for the double post lost the screen, didn't. Know it posted then I didn’t remember what I wrote the first time. See post 2 for the most coherent version .lol rookie mistake.

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XXXX  
Last year

Juice,

In everything the larger the sample size the more likelihood good decisions will be made. Friday night are the only thing that provides a large sample size. Further, the better VJBL, SA and NSW teams are far stronger than the weaker State teams, look at the ACT teams performances in the Classic, its absurd to suggest its not a meaningful indicator.

As in everything context counts. Scoring is important, and thre fac tis that if a kid can't score on Friday nights they are unlikely to do so at an AJC, how they score, their efficiency and the effect on their team performance are all important. To cherry pick from the kids listed above, Zoe Rakogianis has lead Knox to wins over Norths and Kilsyth in the Classic and Dandenong in VJBL, its obvious she is a winning player, not an empty volume scorer. The eye test shows she is tall, fast, a great ball handler, finisher and mid-range shooter, these are not things that are difficult to see. Last year in u16's Jasmine Perry was the competitions top scorer at over 20 per game, in a team that went to the Classic and finished 5th or 6th in VJBL with no talls after the first round of VC, also a winning player. Lily Carmody last year in u18's was not the same level of scorer but was an obviously pivotal player in the best performed team over the year in u18's and subsequently went straight into the WNBL, she also missed the u18 State team. I really don't care what went on at trials, those kids were obviously shafted the detriment of the Vic Metro teams.

To answer your query re the HP Coaches, well Screen is gone so that's a moot point. But definitely I think the program is better for her departure. Some of the changes her and Darren Best have made are ridiculous. Its well established that the later you leave talent ID the better, so they have gone and drastically reduced the number of u18's, some of whom will age out while they are still 16 and brought in FDP which has some kids as young as 10 in it. Talent ID at 10 is almost a useless exercise. Excluding kids from outside of SDP is equally ridiculous.

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SabreTooth  
Last year

Lose all credibility? Dramatic much. Juice, surely it can be mix of both club performances along with trial performances? Friday nights can show a consistency of output that you just can't get on a trial. Some kids may trial poorly for whatever reason (something going on aside from basketball) but that may not be indicative of what they can do at a higher level.

Also are they not going against the best in the state on Friday nights every week? Certainly is the case here in SA with the state players spread across several teams.

"Some can't remember plays, some don't fit in certain playing styles, some have low IQ, some have bad body language, some cant defend, some just aren’t consistent performers."

All of these things you mentioned can also be scouted at games and combined with trial performances to judge who's up to it or not. After all, they are picked to play against other states, you don't get a gold medal for winning the Australian Junior Trialling Championships.

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Weedy Slug  
Last year

Who are the HP coaches in SA?

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SabreTooth  
Last year

XXXX well said

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SabreTooth  
Last year

There's a lot Weedy. Scott Butler oversees the program as HP Manager. At the just gone nationals the 3 coaches were Tom Hilbig, Sarah Turnbull and Laura Giaretto I believe

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Weedy Slug  
Last year

Haven't heard of 2 of them but doing a much better job than most.

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SabreTooth  
Last year

Blessed with some talent but yes, did a good job

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SixersFan  
Last year

"There are plenty of players scoring high figures that are not state level they are just the best player on bad teams."

Brad Newley was one of those best players on a bad team.

It swings both ways. Players on really strong teams can look a lot better then they really are due to those stronger players.

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Blues67  
Last year

VIC Metro handed an SA Metro team that looked 6 deep the title with an all time worst coaching performance in the gold medal game.
For the sake of all, glad SA got some of their selections wrong as it could have been truely embarrassing for the rest of the country. That's how much better that 08/09 group look compared to the rest.
Well done to the SA coaches but honestly any coach with some ability could have had the same result.

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SabreTooth  
Last year

If those coaches stay on then next year's AJCs will be a good test of their ability. The 09 10 group looks pretty thin, especially for talls so a big difference from this year

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Weedy Slug  
Last year

Vic M should be too strong in the girls 09/10. Might be a blow out next year.
8/9 deep easy

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Interpreter  
Last year

Since the change in coaches SA Metro girls have lost one game over two AJCs, but I agree that on talent Victoria and Queensland will clearly have the edge next year. It will be a good test.

The only programs I actually rate though are: Tasmania, SA and NSW Metro. The standard across boys teams is better from other states, but it's been really poor on the girls side with Vic Metro being the obvious example. It will be interesting to see if O'Hea fares any better than Screen in the HP role.

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Bballfan  
Last year

SA U16 girls will need to shoot next year. Can't see them medalling. Very limited height in that group, so the style will need to change, but it goes in cycles and it is someone else’s turn next year.

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Weedy Slug  
Last year

Qld S and N turn for bigs over next U16 2 Ajcs

About 7x 6'2-6’4 players in the pool (2009-2010-2011)

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SixersFan  
Last year

Bballfan Gribben from Norwood 14s is reasonably tall. Also the bottom age girl from Eagles d2 16s is about 6'3 however she is new to the sport I believe. However yes not much height other than them.

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Weedy Slug  
Last year

Nsw have a couple but not comparable to vic or qld 09/10s

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Weedy Slug  
Last month

new scholarships

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Monique Williams 06 (WA) Coe
Emilija Dakic 07 (VIC) Coe
Sitaya Fagan 08 (VIC) Coe

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Che Brogan 06 (VIC) Coe
Marcus Vaughns 07 (VIC) Nba global
Roor Akhuar 07 (VIC) Coe

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Frogface19  
Last month

What's your take on this Weedy?

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Weedy Slug  
Last month

The Williams pick is surprising given that we already have alot of 06 and 07 bigs and the fact she didn't stand out in the u20s.
The other 2 should be a lock for sapphires at the WC imo.
On the boys side brogan is already in the emus team and the other 2 are just prospects at this stage.

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Footloose  
Last month

I've heard Brogan wasn’t even in the top 5 players in his Knox U18 last season, smh

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Steed  
Last month

Maybe more to announce? I read there's another NSW athlete - James Dyson Merwe.
Surprised no NSW girls given the depth of the 07 group.

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Weedy Slug  
Last month

Quite a few girls not accepting an offer.

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Weedy Slug  
Last month

More

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Flynn Pavely 07 (NSW) Coe
James Dyson Merwe 07 (NSW) Coe


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sec  
Last month

Footloose, but Brogan was in the top five for Australia in the gold medal winning team that won Oceania Championships in October. Don't discount him, he goes ok...

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Weedy Slug  
Last month

Another

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Alex Dickenson 07 (SA) Coe

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Pasadena 72  
Last month

Any feedback on those guys Weedy? I don't know much about those names.

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