Mr. Cam
Last year

Australia's U19 Girls Basketball: 2023 FIBA U19 World Cup

MODS, if I have placed this topic in the WRONG section, please move it.

Will the Aussie girls make it a threepeat LOSS to Team USA in the final?

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Weedy Slug  
Last year

I think we will finish anywhere from #2-#6


Likely no starting pg in DLoughridge(04) (injured)

So...
JHall(07)-THeal(04)
IBorlase(04)-JClark(05)
TBrazel(04)-SBurrows(04)
NPuoch(04)-JPetrie(05)
IJuffermans(05)-EGordon(04)

Others in mix I'd say (2 from)
G
PBurrows(05)
LRotunno(04)
FHenderson(04)
LTwidale(05)
B.Stasinowsky(04)
HWickstrom(05)
LCarmody(05)
CPitman(04)
F
LDart(04)
JSimons(04)
JFearne(04)
EFoy(04)
JPeacock(05)
EDonnelly(05)
DAnaniev(04)
P
RNelson(04)
DCrichton(05)
JCrawshaw(04)
MJacobs(04)
AHassett(04)
AOhara(04)
HGriffiths(04)
Etc…


Hard to choose,
2 of Burrows, Twidale, Dart, Foy, Crawshaw

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Mr. Cam  
Last year

Dear Weedy Slug

Why is it your CoE cannot build, buy, develop, find, or steal

a female point guard? The CoE does not have a SINGLE Forward, Power

Forward, or Center to replace the Opal's granny brigade front court.

The Opals are headed for the OLD Folks home. Remember, Lauren Jackson

will NOT be in Paris to bail out the Opals. The 2024 Olympics could

very well turn out to be a MAJOR embarrassment for your CoE.

Caitlin Clark is 21, she is better than the best five female Aussie

basketball players from 20-22. Clark is only a Junior in college.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FcLVSRFA3Ns

Caitlin Clark led the Iowa Hawkeyes with 45 Points, 6 REBS, 4 AST vs North

Carolina State.

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Anon  
Last year

Clark isn't an aussie. So whats your point

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Luuuc  
Last year

Always a treat when Mr. Cam comes trolling through the place.
Best to ignore and scroll past.

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SP  
Last year

Apparently Caitlin Clark is really good is an insight we all have been lacking on this message board.

Also Caitlin Clark has nothing to do with the under 19 world championships but Mr Cam cannot be bothered to stay on topic in his very own thread. Low grade trolling is low grade.

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Mr. Cam  
Last year

The point is quite simple. Why is it your CoE cannot seem to develop

female players for the Opals. Does the CoE have any reason to exist

other than to develop the NEXT generation of Aussie male and female

national team basketball players?

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Weedy Slug  
Last year

When Mr cam is bored...


Maybe list your usa u19 roster Mr cam for 2023

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Mr. Cam  
Last year

Dear Weedy Slug

Ideally, the six best players [based on their tournament numbers]

from Team USA's 2021 FIBA U17 WORLD CHAMPIONSHIP Team. The tryouts

should fill the remaining six spots with two alternates. Now, youth

players can stagnate in the development of their game. That's why you

invite the entire roster that won a world title two years ago.

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Weedy Slug  
Last year

I'm asking who you think the 12 players should be?


Atm you are saying guaranteed to make it...

Juju Watkins
Jadyn Donovan
Jaloni Cambridge
Mackenly Randolph
Breya cunningham
Makaylah Williams


Would be surprised if all 6 above make it.

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Mr. Cam  
Last year

These are the Team USA numbers for the listed players that
competed in the 2021 FIBA U17 Women's World Cup

These are the players I would expect to make the Team USA
U19 squad. However, each player has their own development
trajectory.

G/S FGM-A PCT 3PM-A PCT FTM-A
Watkins 7/7 30-82 .366 9-27 .333 23-29

PCT REB PTS AT BK ST
.793 45/6.4 92/13.1 17 3 16

G/S FGM-A PCT 3PM-A PCT FTM-A
Donovan 7/5 32-53 .604 0-0 0 8-11

PCT REB PTS AT BK ST
.727 35/5.0 72/10.3 11 4 14

G/S FGM-A PCT 3PM-A PCT FTM-A
Cunningham 7/5 30-66 .455 0-0 0 2-4

PCT REB PTS AT BK ST
.500 53/7.6 62/8.9 4 11 11

G/S FGM-A PCT 3PM-A PCT FTM-A
Randolph 7/1 20-38 .526 3-5 .600 22-32

PCT REB PTS AT BK ST
.688 39/5.6 65/9.3 12 1 5

G/S FGM-A PCT 3PM-A PCT FTM-A
Cambridge 7/7 27-62 .435 3-13 .231 9-13

PCT REB PTS AT BK ST
.692 27/3.9 66/9.4 36 1 17


G/S FGM-A PCT 3PM-A PCT FTM-A
Umeh 7/0 18-50 .360 0-0 0 7-14

PCT REB PTS AT BK ST
.500 43/6.1 43/6.1 3 4 10

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Mr. Cam  
Last year

2023 HoopGurlz Recruiting Rankings - espnW 100

1 Judea Watkins 98 USC G 6-0
2 Mikaylah Williams 98 LSU G 6-0
3 Jadyn Donovan 97 Duke G 6-0
4 Ciera Toomey 97 N.Carolina P 6-3
5 Hannah Hidalgo 97 Notre Dame PG 5-6
I do not like small guards
6 Kamorea Arnold 97 UConn PG 5-9

Kamorea Arnold sustained a concussion during

trails and could not play.

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Mr. Cam  
Last year

Team USA & the Gems have met in the FIBA U19 Final in

1997 78-74 Gem loss, 2019 74-70 Gem loss,

2021 70-52 Gem loss

Overall win-loss record 1985-2021

Team App Played Won Lost %
United States 14 106 93 13 87.7
Australia 14 106 77 29 72.6

Medal Table

Rank Nation Gold Silver Bronze Total
1 United States 9 1 1 11
2 Soviet Union 2 0 0 2
3 Australia 1 3 3 7

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Juice  
Last year

?Tabitha Betson ?

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Weedy Slug  
Last year

Might make the list but doubtful to make the team. Team needs another PG or Combo guard for certain and maybe a combo forward or pf/c

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Mr. Cam  
Last year

Weedy Slug, you did not even list these two, why?

Saffron SHIELS Forward

Isobel Borlase Guard All Star Five
2022 FIBA U18 Women's Asian Championship
Accumulated 129 min Points Rebounds Assists
In this Event 14.4N*4 7.6N*6 4.4N

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Weedy Slug  
Last year

I listed Borlase as the starting sg and Shiels would be a double bottom ager, born 2006.

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Mr. Cam  
Last year

Weedy Slug
Within the hour

I listed Borlase as the starting sg and Shiels would be a double bottom
ager, born 2006.

-------------------------------

What happened was her name was written as lBorlase(04). When I executed
a Find in page... Her name did not turn up because of the letter l.

Can Borlase play PG? Because based on these numbers, Tess Heal is
NOT the answer. What is a double bottom ager, born 2006. in Aussie
speak?

2022 FIBA U18 Women's Asian Championship
Tess HEAL Accumulated 107 min
Points Rebounds Assists
In this Event 7N*27 4.4N*21 2.4N*14

Isla JUFFERMANS is the only GOOD player you have. Saffron SHIELS is a
DECENT Forward, & Isobel Borlase is the only serviceable guard you have.
JUFFERMANS must on your U19 team and she must play very well in group
play & be at her best from the round of 16 on. If the Gems entertain a
hope to make the SF.

Saffron SHIELS Forward

Isobel Borlase Guard All Star Five
2022 FIBA U18 Women's Asian Championship
Accumulated 129 min Points Rebounds Assists
In this Event 14.4N*4 7.6N*6 4.4N*5

Isla JUFFERMANS All Star Five
2022 FIBA U18 Women's Asian Championship
Accumulated 107 min Points Rebounds Assists
In this Event 17N*2 11N*2 0.8N*31

Isla JUFFERMANS
FIBA U17 Women's Basketball World Cup
Accumulated 229 min Points Rebounds Assists
In this Event 12.6N*11 10.6N*3 1.9N







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SabreTooth  
Last year

"When I executed
a Find in page... Her name did not turn up because of the letter l."

Lol, wtf is this? Are you a bot?

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Mr. Cam  
Last year

SabreTooth
Within the hour

"When I executed
a Find in page... Her name did not turn up because of the letter l."

Lol, wtf is this? Are you a bot?

No, but the Gems have nine bots, a good player, Isla JUFFERMANS, a decent

player, Saffron SHIELS, and a serviceable player, Isobel Borlase.

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Interpreter  
Last year

Referring to kids as 'bots'. Class act.

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Hmmm  
Last year

Borlase classed as 'serviceable' is laughable. Maybe start watching some Lightning games.

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SP  
Last year

It's nice to know that Mr Cam is using Google as his primary method of analysing players lmao.

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Mr. Cam  
Last year

Interpreter
A couple of hours ago

Referring to kids as 'bots'. Class act.

The Gems will have nine SCRUBS, happy now?

For SP & Hmmm

Hmmm
A couple of hours ago

Borlase classed as 'serviceable' is laughable. Maybe start watching some Lightning games.

Hmmm, answer these two questions: Will the Gems win their SECOND FIBA U19

World Cup Title? Yes or No?

Will Borlase head the All-Star Five at the FIBA 2023 U19 Tournament

by winning the MVP Award? Yes or No?

Will Borlase be drafted Number 1 in the WNBA draft? Yes or No?

Will Borlase be a lottary pick in the WNBA draft? Yes or No?

Meanwhile, Team USA will going for the Threepeat.





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SabreTooth  
Last year

Serviceable.

What an idiot

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SP  
Last year

What does Isobel Borlase's WNBA draft prospects have to do with the Under 19 World Championships? You know nothing about Australian players besides what you can scrape from the internet and expect us to answer your ignorant questions just so you can parrot the rather obvious idea that the US are better than Australia in basketball (which isn't a big secret btw). Take your lazy low grade trolling elsewhere.

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Red84  
Last year

Looking around trying to find out who is the Gems coach and assistant coach for the 2023 Gems campaign in Madrid. Anyone know this for sure?

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Weedy Slug  
Last year

Likely still the same

Hc Herbert
AC Garlepp
AC Veal

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Red84  
Last year

Why "Likely" - because list of prior coaches indicates BA likes to rotate HC, AC from one WC to the next. And this team were in Hungary last year.

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Weedy Slug  
Last year

Because it's a cycle from oceania, asia, WC. Usually use the same coach for all 3.
New u19 coach would come in for u17 oceania late this year, asia 2024, WC 2025.

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Red84  
Last year

thanks - good thinking

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Mr. Cam  
Last year



SP Yesterday

What does Isobel Borlase's WNBA draft prospects have to do with the
Under 19 World Championships?

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An OUTSTANDING Under 19 World Championship run can help launch a

professional career. A good to OUTSTANDING professional career can

help launch a national team career [Opals]. When is the last time

that a former Aussie U19 Female player was a Number 1 WNBA draft

pick, a WNBA ROY, a multi-year WNBA All Star, a WNBA Finals MVP,

a WNBA League MVP, or a FIBA Women's World Cup Tournament MVP?

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Mr. Cam  
Last year

CoE > Sapphires > Gems > Opals

Or did I miss something?

I have never seen an Australian [Native born, not a foreign hire]

Basketball Coach that was worth more than a cup of coffee and a

bag of juju beans.

And how is it that Sandra Anne "Sandy" Brondello is still the Opals

head Coach? Bribery or stupidity?

What is Australia's problem at the youth level; a lack of head &

developmental coaching or a lack of raw talent or both?

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Red84  
Last year

Mr Cam - what state in the US do you call home?

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Mr. Cam  
Last year

+Red84
A few hours ago

Mr Cam - what state in the US do you call home?

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Where I live is irrelevant to the discussion at hand.

A RELEVANT question looks like this:

Weedy Slug
Last month

I think we will [Gems] finish anywhere from #2-#6

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The Gems will have one good player, Isla JUFFERMANS, a decent

player, Saffron SHIELS, a serviceable player, Isobel Borlase,

and nine !@#$%^&*()???

What say you +Red84?

Aussie Opals fans should be very concerned. Your CoE is not producing
anywhere near enough talent to replace the current Granny Brigade that
occupies the Opals roster. And you would think that the Australian U19
Gems would produce at least one Ezi Magbegor or BETTER every two cycles
[4 years].

https://www.usab.com/news-events/news/2022/09/wnt-camp-feature-3_rookies.aspx

All appearing in their first senior national team training camp last
week in Las Vegas, WNBA Rookie of the Year Rhyne Howard, fellow All-
Rookie Team members Shakira Austin and NaLyssa Smith, all 22, and nat-
ional college player of the year Aliyah Boston, 20, made their presence
felt while playing among Olympians and WNBA veterans.

Please show me four 21-23 year old Australian Female basketball players
that are anywhere near these four. Because the Opals will be playing
against these four Team USA players for the next ten years. Shakira
Austin will be in Paris as a three year pro. One of or both of Rhyne
Howard & NaLyssa Smith might be in Paris 2024. Which one of your two
young midget guards is going to cover Rhyne Howard SG @ 6'2", Jade
Melbourne @ 5'-10" or Shyla Heal @ 5′ 6″? The Opals currently have two
5'-11" Guards and Tess is 32 and she will be 34 in Paris.

CoE > Sapphires U17 > Gems U19 > Opals Or did I miss something?

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Pinch  
Last year

So Mr Cam starts a thread and says USA will finish 1st...……everybody agrees…….Mr Cam doubles down and says Australian won't beat USA………everybody agrees……..Mr Cam then compares top USA talent is better than young Aussie talent…….

Mate tells us something we don’t know. Idiot

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Weedy Slug  
Last year

He could atleast pick on some teams outside the top 3 in the world.

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Red84  
Last year

"Where I live is irrelevant to the discussion at hand."

But it is hardly a discussion you are having is it? More like trolling and ranting on your behalf which elicits a dismissive response.
But I will offer one point for you to consider - not that I have much hope it will sink in.
Your rants basically say that Australian players are of poor quality, that our coaching is of poor quality, and that players and coaching in the USA are of the highest quality. OK - message received.
You routinely name junior players - although many are still minors - and then typically cast a derogatory assessment of them. This is hideous practice, which you should stop doing.
But the point I offer to you now is this - basketball is one of the most popular sports in the US. And there are 52 girls playing the sport in the US for every single Australian girl. There is far less money in the men's game here that can be used to subsidize the women's game.
So I don't think Australia does too badly in these circumstances. We regularly make junior WC SFs and Finals. Occasionally we win. Relative to smaller countries we count as peers such as Canada or Italy we do okay. Most posters here would acknowledge France and Spain as having better programs and there is much we can learn from them. But what can we learn from you? What telling insight can you give - apart from saying we are rubbish? I don't think there is anything there. I think you are mentally a bit off.
Why do I ask what state in the US you come from? Because - numbers wise and resources expended - it is more appropriate to judge Australia's performance vs that of - say - Florida or North Carolina. So ask yourself - could an Australia junior team beat a similar sized US state team?
I can only guess what personal reward you get trolling ballers in smaller countries. We don't harass ballers in NZ or Samoa and say how hopeless they are in comparison to Australia. That would be both facile given the difference in circumstances and is just rude.

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SP  
Last year

I wouldn't bother defending Australian basketball to Mr Cam. It's clear he knows very little about it or even cares to learn about it. I don't think he even knows that much about US basketball. Imagine woofing about Caitlin Clark and thinking that's meaningful discussion lmao.

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Mr. Cam  
Last year

I copied these two sentences from the 2020 BOA Annual Report

IF this is true:

The Basketball Australia Centre of Excellence (CoE) - formerly National Intensive Training Centre Program (NITCP) - and the Australian Institute
of Sport (AIS) Basketball Program Basketball Program has been the world-
leading junior development program since 1981.

The CoE CLAIMS it is the WORLD-LEADING junior development program since
1981. That means at a MINIMUM, THE Aussies have the best developmental coaches! More generally it means the Aussies have the best COACHES and PLAYERS.

then this is TOTALLY unnecessary!!!

the Basketball Australia Pathways team is looking forward to a busy 2021
and continuing to help Australian families navigate the eligibility process and secure scholarships to continue their basketball development in the US collegiate system.

Then the Basketball Australia Pathways team states they will help those Aussies families that want to send their children to the USA to continue
their basketball development.

Number One, the claim that the CoE is the best junior basketball development system in the world is LAUGHABLE.

Number two, if the CoE is so good at JUNIOR basketball development, why does that suddenly change when Australian basketball players reach 18-19 years old?
Why does BOA need to send Aussie players to the NCAA?

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Red84  
Last year

In my experience,most talented Aust girls aspire to play NCAA because it is marketed well and Aust girls like the idea of travelling and getting exposed to life as a student athlete in a nice country like the US. About 40% change their mind and return home. The Americans are wonderful supporters of all regional and city teams. So you got the romance of travel and the benefits of scale. There is more offers for Aust talent arising from a plethora of US colleges than there are players. This situation is an endorsement of the BA's development program. Historically there has been a lack of higher level playing opportunities for Australian girls to play beyond high school. The recent introduction of NBL1 and UBL leagues are welcome steps forward. And in my daughters case - after we closely reviewed the 6 or so Div1 offers she received, her marks were good enough to go to a quality Aust uni with options to play UBL and NBL1. And the fact that we as a family spent half of our lives overseas meant that my daughter was a lot less impressed with the idea of being a student athlete in the US.

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Mr. Cam  
Last year

Red84

That would be both facile given the difference in circumstances and is
just rude.

-------------------------------

You really believe that FIBA Basketball Tournaments at all levels
are ONLY about the competition on the floor? Do you really believe
that Nationalism, Politics, and Race NEVER enter into the picture?

Look at what at what YOUR bat sh*t crazy Camabage said to the Nigerian
National Team players. Watch the 2022 FIBA U17 World Cup for Men
Final in Spain. Cooper Flagg was cheated out of the Tournament MVP
award by the crooked Spanish Press, the Spanish Tournament Organizers,
and of course FIBA. And you call me "rude"? What do you call FIBA after
the 2022 FIBA U18 Boys Championship after they jobbed the Aussie Crocs?

Do you really believe that junior level basketball in Australia never
has bad blood, bad words, and always concentrates on individual merit?
And you call me "rude"? Does the current investigation of BA center on rudeness alone?

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Mr. Cam  
Last year

Weedy Slug
Yesterday

He could at least pick on some teams outside the top 3 in the world.

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2022 FIBA U18 Women's European Championship Title

Spain's world ranking is 4th and they finished second to Lithuania

ranked 7th in the world in the Euro U18 title game.

https://www.fiba.basketball/europe/u18women/2022/game/1408/Spain-Lithuania

Lithuania has Juste JOCYTE Guard 188cm 6'2" Plays for LDLC ASVEL Feminin
and she is 19/11/2005 17 years old.

Juste JOCYTE's 2022 FIBA U18 Women's European Championship Numbers
Points Rebounds Assists
19.1N*1 7.1N*12 6.9N*3

Canada has Cassandre PROSPER SF 188cm 6'2" 25/06/2005 17 years old.

It is best for the Gems to avoid Spain & Lithuania.

FIBA World Ranking Girls U17 & U19

3. Australia 698.4 -1

4. Spain 697.4 +1

5. Canada 681.2 +3

7. Lithuania 653.3 +7

All Spain has to do is finish one or more places ahead of the Gems and Australia drops to fourth. If Canada can finish two places ahead of the
Gems, Canada should displace the Aussies. As a GUESS, Lithuania, could
pass the Gems IF they finish THREE places ahead of the Aussies.


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SabreTooth  
Last year

Chat GPT really isn't all it's cracked up to be.

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Red84  
Last year

Cam, your defence is deflection and whataboutism. You are one of the rudest, tone deaf posters I have come across. You don't discuss with the purpose of exploring. Nah - you know it all and berate anyone who offers a counter view. Arrogant and ignorant.

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SabreTooth  
Last year

Hear hear. Cam adds absolutely nothing

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Really!!!  
Last year

#banthetrollcam

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Perthworld  
Last year

Mr. Cum is a wanker.

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Mr. Cam  
Last year

Isabel Borlase

Points Reb Asst

14.4 7.6 4.4 FIBA U18 Women's Asian Championship

13.5 3.2 2.2 https://wnbl.basketball/stats/?WHurl=%2Fperson%2F1788290%3F

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We shall see what she can do @ the 2023 FIBA U19 Women's Basketball

World Cup.

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Mr. Cam  
Last year

I found this OLD post.

Has this poster written the TRUTH? If yes, has ANYTHING changed???

Astor
Years ago

Seems to me Camel 31 that you are implying Adelaide Lightening try to secure Tippets signiature in advance of her going to the institute? I think Tippet and those in her situation [talented enough for the institute but doesn't necessarily want to go there] are in a rough position, there are pros and cons to early WNBL signings vs. going to the AIS.

She's got two real options;

1. Go to the tute and get dominated game in, game out for the entire season. That and deal with all the psychological bull**** that goes on at the AIS, with girls general bitchiness and also contending for the attention of the coaches. Not to mention the fact that your away from your family, your friends and any chance of a decent education

2. Stay away from the tute, get drafted as a rookie to your local WNBL team and work your ass off in quality training sessions for a sniff at some junk court time at the end of blow out games. All this at the expense of a real chance of making any junior australian teams; the AIS folks don't like it when you snub them, reguardless of how talented you are.

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Really!!!  
Last year

#banthetrollcam

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