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NSW Metro played QLD South yesterday afternoon and got spankedby a good Qld South team.

Will be a wake up call for Metro as they tend to be a bit cocky at times.

Third year for Head Coach so he better perform this year as the last 2 years have been flops.

Overrated coach

I assume QLD South are favorites for the boys?

Chucky Dimmock is a beast- once he leaves some lateral movement and gets a 3 point shot- watch out!

Qld s boys, nsw m girls favourites.


The girls tournament has several big player outs which is a big downer

Vic m - Deas(Coe), Dakic-acl
Qld s - Seumanutafa-acl
Nsw c - Shiels(Coe)
Nsw m - Bird(Coe)
Wa m - Metcalfe(Coe)
Missing 1-2, can't remember...

They played Northern Territory pat bev

why no COE players?

Lot of COE players carrying injuries, including Saffron Shiels. Some they're playing. Portlock for Vic M girls a big handful for NSW Country today.

Fotu and Thompson, 2 u15 sapphire invites also sitting out first game. Hopefully not the whole tournament.

Injuries?

So far the girls looks like NsW M will take it away and QLd S for the boys.

many of these players considering college in USA ?

Vic Metro men certainly look strong with good showings and have a real chance, some real superstars in their midst beauchamp and cheesman so reliable but Fennell, this kid is really owning it excited to see the future of these three. however agree that QLD sth men overall will most likely take it out.

Siulepa likely going to the bullets as a ns in 24/25.
Zikarsky also wanted by brisbane but could be going to college.
Rumours SEM looking at Fennell in 24/25.

Obviously a cockburn person talking about dimmock, needs a big game today against rocco after a very dissapointing game yesterday. Havent really seen him improve since last years tournament which is concerning.

Very excited for the battle of the romans today.

Zikarsky seems like the best big man prospect we've had for ages. He's been insanely efficient so far at 18s, as well as at 20s for Global Academy. Hopefully he stays healthy and keeps developing.

Maybe an unpopular opinion but It appears both him and Portlock have improved their skill base since going to COE. Good to see them Improve as both are massive bodies that hopefully can contribute for Australian in years to come.

Duncan Berg has again put together some analysis. Being updated daily

http://hoopsdb.net/AJC.html

Thanks Anon637
Great resource for geeks and recruiters - Duncan Berg - I am in awe.

Wa metro very dissapointing in the last 3 games that have actually been against any one good.

Same rubbish offense over and over and over again. So many turn overs out of it as well. Is it poor coaching and skill execution in how they have taught these kids to run DHO's or is it pure laziness or lack preparation that has them unable to run anything else than a stagger or DHO into an onball.

Surely this coach wont get his 4th state team in a row given how undisciplined and unorganised his teams have looked at the last 3 championships he has been at the helm.

@Truthteller

He is a BWA employee and a coaching legend at Cockburn Cougars - where all the good WA State Coaches come from?

Disturbing statistics for BA.
Shooting percentages and turnovers, my goodness...

Many below 50% ft and 25% 3 pt

If you take away the extraordinary success that Andrew Cooper has had as a state coach in recent years, then a convincing argument can be made that the entire state program in WA has been going downhill for years. Naylor and his arrogant predecessor Coxsedge achieved very little outside of the Travers, Jackson, Swaka Lo Buluk group and in recent times this group with Henshall, Condon & Kovachev. For the last few years it seems if you work for BWA you get a coaching gig regardless of success rate or knowledge of the age group you're paying for, if you're a former wildcat with zero current wabl coaching experience - ditto; Look at the fall off with SCC teams in recent years, girls teams are now merged Metro and Country because they can't get the talent pool to try out. WABL kids see there is a far better pathway with the likes of Aussie Prospects, or one of the stronger academies in either Zealous, Armstrong or Redhage and would rather pay for those sessions than be involved with BWA programs. A complete review and overhaul of the BWA High Performance and Development departments / staff needs to be done urgently or results like we've seen this week in QLD are quickly going to become the norm.

WA

U18 2022
Country Men 1-6
Country Women 0-7
Metro Men 3-6
Metro Women 2-5

U18 2023 so far...
Country Men 0-4
Country Women 0-4
Metro Men 2-3
Metro Women 1-3


Teams with significantly less population.

U18 2022
Tas men 8-1
Tas women 3-5
Act men 2-5
Act women 2-5
Sa c men 2-5
Sa c women 3-5
Nt men …
Nt women …

U18 2023
Tas men 2-2
Tas women 3-1
Act men 1-4
Act women 0-4
Sa c men 2-3
Sa c women 2-2
Nt men …
Nt women …


Even when you look at u16 level and combine with u18, stats show

Tas has surpassed wa talent
Act and sa c are on par with wa metro these days
Wa country have won just 6 games in 50 odd in 2 years

What has the current head coach done at rep level? He has only ever had success when coaching the most talented teams. Before then who was he and what did he accomplish?

The point on the bwa high performance is extremely valid. I went back and looked at last years team and 3 of the boys on this years team were on last years.

Dimmock has been frustrating but atleast he is as the level given his physical attributes. The other 2 dont even come close to looking at the level needed for this tournament so the question has to be what the hell did WA hp do to help those kids improve in between or is it simply down to bad coaching. Or is it as simple as the selection pool for this team must of just been not up to standard. Either way that is a glaring concern for bwa who will continue to ride on the success of 2 year groups who happened to be talented and have some luck go their way.

At some point the bwa style of play where they run the same predictable stuff over and over again has to be reviewed. If I see the big pop to middle and run one more DHO with poor technique leading to a turnover I think I might spew up.

How tall is Charlie Dimmock?

6'10

At last - a knowledgeable, observant commentator of the women's game - Zoe Carr. About the only good thing on Murdoch media today.

Semis

Men
Vic metro vs nsw metro
Qld south vs vic country

Women
Sa metro vs qld south
Nsw metro vs vic metro


No certainties based on performances so far except for maybe qld s men who have been dominant to this point. Should be too strong for smaller vic c.
Vic m might be the most balanced team from top to bottom, nsw m do have some speed though.

Qld s vs vic m final?


Nsw metro women haven't been great all tournament but have managed to scrape through.
Defense, shooting and rebounding been woeful so far, Big difference in playing style between Hills team last year and Garlepp this year. Nsw forwards and post have had a shocker, needed that 12th post player.
If Vic m slow nsw guards, they win. Even with big names missing, they have been pretty consistant.
Toss up between sa m and qld s, qld s post players starting to show up, could be the difference. Sa backcourt d could be the answer for them along with a blinder from sas tallest player.

Vic m vs qld s?

If Vicmw shut Hall down they go a long way to winning.
NSWMwomen have scraped through with some games and SAMW showed how to win with shooters.
NSW bigs are not great.

Garlepp is not Coach that she is made out to be by those at BNSW and others.

NSWMM will have a tough game as well and lets see how Potter goes because he too is not all that he is made out to be as well.He has a bit to prove since he has flopped the last couple of years.

NSW Country teams have not had a great week and do not get the same support the Metro players get and the two coaches in their first year as Head Coaches will have learnt a lesson as well.

Having players out does hurt but you have to make adjustments accordingly and remember other states had better players missing also.

Under hill the u16 were moving the ball swiftly and playing tough hard nosed D. This tournament they have been poor all round and still made the semis.
It's been a really terrible tournament on the women side with 10-12 (some of the best) injured prior to and we’ve seen Fotu, lehmann, Notoa, hall etc all get injured during the tournament or in training.

Men’s tournament has been quite good Imo, that next u19 emus side should be good...

The likes of…
Cheeseman
Daniels
Fennell
Furphy
Beauchamp
Siulepa
Dodson
Adair
Whitbourn
Zikarsky
Etc etc
Add a couple of the u.s based 06 guys…

NSWC Girls struggle each game with Chicken being the turnover player of the tournament.

Her stats in that area are not great when she gets close too or over double figures for turnovers.

4mins to go NSW Country v Tasmania girls and Country girls have more turnovers than points scored.

Not good.You cannot win games with that record.

43 points, 42 turnovers.

Something has gone wrong in the Aus system.

Sa m end up pulvarising qld s to make the final.

If you delve a little deeper into this post there is one common denominator that links the two states who have underperformed in NSW and WA, that being Brett Coxsedge. As previously mentioned in this post he did nothing of note during his time her in the west as high performance manager given the only teams to medal over that period featured three all Australians and arguably one of the best junior coaches in the country in Cooper. Move forward to the present day and many in his home state of NSW have pointed out his shortcomings since returning and how, much like in WA, he has played favourites with coach and player selections. Arrogance and self confidence are fine when you have the success to back it up, but sadly for him it's over ten years of mediocrity in two states which is his legacy. Let's see if the powers that be have the courage to make the changes needed?!

Everyone at the U18 nationals have been 'told' by Basketball Australia that "ANY noise during a free throw is very unsportsmanlike."

I agree with this, but only when it relates to the opposition players and coaches - but the spectators in the stands as well? Come on!

Teams have been advised multiple times via email, and some have received in-game warnings by officials, and yet the teams in question had no idea who was making the noise!

This is not the way to prep our kids for higher levels of competition. What are BA doing???

Tight one between nsw m and vic m

Good win for nsw, playing Perkins a bit more was a good decision.
Coach much more vocal on the sidelines.

Sa m vs Nsw m final
Qld s vs vic m for bronze

Weedy, to be fair it was a completely different set of circumstances for NSW Metro in U16s as they were clearly the most talented and balanced side.

Vic Metro's best contributors were bottom agers (Fagan and Nousis), SA Metro were missing Somfai and QLD South were missing Notoa.

It's much easier to look the goods when the competition standard wasn't there. If Garlepp continues next year their results will be telling.

Just finished watching WA Metro vs WA Country fighting it out for 9th/10th place! Occasionally there was a 'flash' of brilliance, which was great to see, but in general it was a hard and disappointing game to watch. The only good thing was that I didn't have to listen to 'Lets go Wee=ee-eest, let's go!" over and over and over again, interspersed with banging and crashing. So painful!!

Just finished watching WA Metro vs WA Country fighting it out for 9th/10th place! Occasionally there was a 'flash' of brilliance, which was great to see, but in general it was a hard and disappointing game to watch. The only good thing was that I didn't have to listen to 'Lets go Wee=ee-eest, let's go!" over and over and over again, interspersed with banging and crashing. So painful!!

Commentator clearly doesn't like bounce passes, we get it.

Great hard nosed win by vic c. Zikarsky with the silly mistake at the end of normal time cost them. What a game from Renfree.

Who was coaching VICM girls. Surely they aren't getting another job. Maybe all that has been happening there is showing how poor structures and nepotism are fatal for results.

Have Vic done a clean out yet or should they now?

I agree Weedy Slug. What a brilliant game between Qld S and Vic C Boys!!

I didn't watch the game but looking at the box score I assume the game plan was to have Renfree and others drive at Siulepa and Zikarsky repeatedly to get them into foul trouble?

Nah they closed the route to the rim knowing that rocco and Roman like to finish within 5ft.
A lot of charge calls...

If Zikarsky simply stayed upright in the final possession instead of trying to block it, qld would've made the final. Bit too much hero ball whereas an undersized vic c played as a team.

Well NSW Metro girls got through and Hall appears the difference and Vics did not stop her.

NSW Metro men playing for Bronze and if like the past 2 years they probable will not win that either and especially with QLD Sth men losing the one game that counted will be pretty fired up to get the Bronze medal and NSW Head Coach will need to of done some real scouting to win.

If they lose will BNSW reappoint him next year.

NSW Country teams have unfortunately dissappointed again and really need help from their state body to do more for them and have their High Performance Manager getting out and working harder to help them improve.

Most of all for the program across the board ensure the coaches they have working with the players at their camps know what their doing and teaching and the BNSW program looks to work on skills development and work that down to the Associations with more support.

Some of the coaches are not necessarily the right people and they need to go back to their Associations and work with Athletes on their development.

Congratz to SA M, Somfai probably the player of the tournament.

Will you give Somfai more credit now? Surely she deserves to be in the Australian junior team even as a bottom age.

Interesting to see what BNSW say when only 1 medal from 4 teams.

Metro boys got smacked again by QLDS.

Will the Head Coach get a gig again next year after 3 years and not a medal in any of them.Maybe time for a change but the question is who would they consider.Knowing BNSW probably give one of their own staff members the gig.

Metro girls did well but SAMG just too good when it counted.

Head Coach will probably get the gig again next year but with Flo there maybe not.

Country teams need work.

Learning curve for the two coaches.First time as Head Coaches.

Wonder what talent they have coming through from 16's that might help.

Somfai has always been a lock for sapphires, why she wasn't chosen is down to politics.
the gems is a stretch going up against 2004 players. I’m taking Puoch, Brazel, Shiels, Petrie, Ananiev, burrows... somfai possibly but not certain under Herbert. Hall should go, only because Loughridge is no certainty due to injury, leaving only heal and Rotunno the other options, possibly burrows.

That's on top of Borlase, Clark in the guard spots...

Weedy what were the final ladder standings and what's your read on (expectations) or teams that preformed better over the week?

NSW metro girls good effort but lost to the better team on the day. 6 of 10 NSW metro girls bottom age bodes well for next year.
Jessie May Hall star in the making, lack of bigs selected at this age was odd.

NSW coach did not perform, the assistant Fleur McIntyre should be the coach.

Good effort but lost to better team and had 6 bottoms agers but bad coaching? Don't think you know what you’re saying. Thought she was fine.
Was a good tournament on the female side.

If NSW had have just entered last year's under 16 metro girls side with Tim Hill coaching they would have one comfortably.

I watched the girls bronze medal game and am not affiliated to either team. The court conditions of the girls bronze medal game were insane. It clearly benefitted the QLD girls - it was 30 degrees plus on that court with no air flow.

Will be difficult for carr selecting asia champ sapphires once all available


Those from this tournament and some that missed because of injury
Perkins
Hall
Lehmann(inj)
Fotu(inj)
Seumanutafa(inj)
Corasaniti
Hodges
Dakic(inj)
Notoa
Aherne
Bijkerk
Taylor
Petrie
Mead
Russell
Somfai
Hanson
Crook
Jackson

+ 08s from U16s in July.

BVCW underperformed but will delude themselves because they Beat SAM, Lost by 2 to NSWM.

Those two game results over shadow the poor losses to Metro and both QLD teams.

- poor tactical coaching throughout
- overdribble
- zero transition
- low yield offence
- zero weak side movement
- have Taylor in team and used her poorly, get her a set feet shot. Weak side Flare screen anyone?

Two years in a row they've disappointed.

Love our expert commentary.

Both Vic girls teams shot the ball terribly, with the excetion of Hannah Day, all the issues for both teams stemmed from this.

If NSW Metro girls had 6 bottom agers what does that say about the quality of the top agers who trialled.

That age group must be poor when considered.

Will Hill apply again next to do 18's depending on his success this year at 16's

I belatedly saw the women's final just now. A cracker of a game - I loved it. Both SAM and NSWM were worthy finalists. IMO the tale of the game was that the competitive advantage of SAM bigs (both of them) outweighed NSWM's high potency transition game.
The NSWM game is built around its high quality guards, with NSWM bigs pretty much a support act. What you don't see with NSWM are the bigs looking for opportunities, taking the initiative and rolling to the basket aggressively seeking the pass or sealing opponents at the low or mid block. They back off early in the offense set - because they are tasked with setting off ball screens - at the horn or off the mid block several feet outside the zone, waiting for guards to roll past. This sometimes happens, but often it does not. And when it does not happen, the NSWM big is too often marooned well outside the zone which makes it hard to get offensive boards. So here's something you won't read in this forum - much credit should go to the SAM coaching staff here - they played to the team's advantage and tasked their bigs with being both enterprising and hard working in offense.

Well said

Not using jackson was a mistake Imo, could have altered some shots and having bird out stopped nsw m from being competitive down low against any team. tutani and mead, 6'1 or below wings playing in the post were no match for 6’3-6’4 somfai, someone who was playing centre, naturally more of a combo forward.

Probably should have had Mailei in the team...

Is Somfai 6'3-6’4? (boots on)
I think she's closer to 6'2 and has stopped growing. But I am at a great distance - others can tell me.

Separately - my point is - which I should have been clearer about - is that if you task a big with a genuinely offensive role, you give them a positive mission (which SAM did) you might be surprised at how much better they can play. Young people respond to positive expectations and NEED PERMISSION to take on risk and make errors. Latitude on risk vs reward can't be preserve of just the guards.

Jessie May Hall's brilliance getting the NSW girls to the finals. Great final to watch. S.A girls too good in the end, playing to their strengths. Definitely could have used a player like Mailei in the team to help with the defensive toughness. With all the bottom agers in the NSW team, it does bode well for next year. It looks the same for S.A Metro, who will be strong for next year as well.

Somfai in the Murdoch paper is listed at 6'4, in the ajc program she’s listed at 192cm, on her bio, 6’3. 6’3 is probably fair when you see BA photos next to others of similar listed height.
06 Portlock looks to be legit 6’8.


5’7 Lehmann - 5’6 Perkins - 5’9 Dakic - 5’8 Fotu
5’6 Hall - 5’8 Seumanutafa - 5’10 Hodges - 5’8 Corasaniti
6’1 Taylor - 6’0 Bijkerk - 6’1 Petrie - 6’0 Notoa
6’3 Somfai - 6’3 Fagan - 6’1 Russell - 6’1 Mead
6’4 Jackson - 6’3 Crook - 6’3 Hanson - 6’2 Juffermans

Looking like next sapphires camp^

I would not rate Jackson in that group yet.

She is still not tough enough and did not do a lot during last weeks Nationals.

Only player not to hit the floor in the gold medal game which probably did not make Mum and Dad too happy but show coaching staff thought she was not up to to hold out SA Met girls bigs.

Somfai is 6"3 and only just hit 16 years old. What people don't know is that she is a trained point guard, which is why she is so special. The people around her have ensured she has played guard roles for years because if she makes it big, which i would be confident to say she will, she may not be the centre. There's special and then there is this baller. That GF game was one of the best junior girls games I have ever watched. Hall is an absolute baller also, she has that dogged mentality and seems mature beyond her years.

Jackson was the starting centre for the sapphires in oceania and did pretty well at last years at u16s. Avg Something like 10/7/1/2 in oceania and 8 n 8 with 4 blocks for nsw.

Sa had no legit big girls this year, eventhough they had some. somfai is a forward(playing c as the tallest) and 6'2 akot dnp.

With Jackson, Only 8 mins in semi and Maybe the second last pool game vs sa sealed her fate. Somfais worst game though with just 10 pts. Jackson barely playing the last few games. Carr/Hill played her a lot, maybe garlepp thought tutani was the better fit.

Crook now might take the starting c spot now but Hanson is not better than Jackson, fagan is a pf. The only one pushing for a centre spot would be 08 Juffermans, who is smaller than her 6’4 sister. Smart did not make it, Buttsworth did not make it, mcrea hardly played as nsw c backup. Few other options around the country.

From carrs commentary and taking into account those that are injured, this will be close to the asia champs squad me thinks.

Very similar to the pre oceania chosen side.

Lehmann - Perkins
Hall - Seumanutafa - Dakic
Taylor - (1 of Bijkerk or Mead or Petrie)
Somfai - Fagan - Russell
Crook - Jackson

Dropped Hanson for Somfai
Tough decision on backup sf...

Yes- great team around Somfai-
Somfai is amazing !!!!

The great team around Somfai -Which is believe didn't include the last few years of
BSA HP
BSA HP is a joke

I have seen this junior for many years and have always been impressed by her hunger to get the ball, her work rate and her competitive nature. I wish i could instill some of these qualities in my charges!!! But there is annoying tendency in public media to announce that someone is the chosen one - let's not get too carried away. Particularly when we consider bigs. There are so many variables that come into play - desire, work ethic, vision, ego. Some girls develop strength and size at a younger age than others. And this advantage RELATIVE TO OTHERS may be pronounced now, but not in say 2 or 3 years time. My bet is - if some of the skinny talls in this tournament who have been pushed around, can continue working on their skills, get into a gym - then their competitiveness can improve out of sight in a couple of years.

Jackson did start for the Saphires at Oceania but there opposition was not that great compared to teams they would play at Worlds.

Also she is not a great finisher and needs to a lot more work in that area.

No doubt, but she was good vs the best Aus talent at u16s. Mailei the nsw starter was selected for Samoa and has now Switched to nz for the upcoming asia champs, she is not an option.
So you can assume jackson is a lock for July along with other post players crook, somfai and fagan. A fifth big is not necessary in asia and u16 ajc starts only a week before asia champs.

I know who the 08 bigs are for u16 sides, Juffermans is the best from that group and was the only 08 Centre on the u15 sapphires extended list, unless you consider Fagan a centre.

Who do we think where the best 15-20 odd athletes from the men this past week??

Hall 06 nsw m
Renfree 06 vic c
Lutton 06 wa m
Waller 06 vic c
Honeyman 06 qld s
Cheeseman 07 vic m
Crees 06 qld n
Schubert 07 sa c
Daniels 07 vic c
Fennell 06 vic m
Furphy 06 tas
Beauchamp 07 vic m
Griechen 06 wa c
Siulepa 06 qld s
Mccabe 06 nsw c
Dodson 06 sa m
Adair 06 nsw m
Rowlings 06 qld s
Dimmock 06 wa m
Whitbourn 06 vic m
Zikarsky 06 qld s

Weedy, you could add Coleman from Vic M to the list above. He shot the Pi$$ out of it at Nationals.

Might have missed a few, I watched probably 90% of games

Perkins 07 nsw m
Hall 07 nsw m
Bond 06 qld n
Bessell 06 nsw m
Corasaniti 07 wa c
Brennan 06 act
Portus 06 sa m
Hodges 07 sa m
Day 06 vic m
Ramsay 06 sa c
Bobongie 06 qld n
Bijkerk 07 nsw m
Petrie 07 qld s
Russell 07 act
Salandra 06 sa m
Fuller 06 qld s
Nightingale 06 vic c
Somfai 07 sa m
Crook 07 nsw c
Clarke 06 vic m
Portlock 06 nsw m

I'm interested to see the 09/10 age group. Think there are some elite girls coming through the ranks from all states.

07/08 will be stronger than 09/10.

Qlder Olechnowicz probably the standout 09 atm.

It will be interesting as 08 in my state is rather weak, some really good players whilst none that scream out elite just yet.

Who are the 09s and 10s you are thinking of from your state?

08 is weaker than 07 but some good ones around, Fagan I think will be an opal at some point.

I won't name players but more associations that have developed a high level of skill scores a number of players.

Sydney Comets have a number of 09’s that have some upside.

Hornsby have to bigs that are 10’s and both over 183cm.

Illawarra have 2x09’s that will make 16’s state team as bottom agers and 4x10’s that did well in SCC that appear to be winning by a lot in the state comp.

Manly have an 09 who did well in SCC but was injured abit and will be a bottom ager in the state team this year.

Agree with your take on 08 being weaker than 07.

Olechnowicz smashed the Qland state champs on paper, points-wise. What's her 3 point shooting like?

It doesn't matter, what 09 or 10 has a complete set of skills?

2010 from Sturt has a pretty solid set of skills

Daly is a good 2010 but not the best in the age group (09/10)

I would consider her best in 2010 age group. Smith from Mackay would be best in 2009 age group.

I.Smith #2 in qld, the only other npp in qld is Johnson who is a post project.

And Sherrington.

Johnson has good hands and is fairly mobile. Look forward to here development.

Strong hands, not very common at that age.
I'm surprised manyok has not been in the mix in qld hp system. Very long shot blocker.

Based on 12& under school state at Bendigo last year, Classic, Nationals, Southern Cross and Eltham/Dandenong in Jan this year, Daly is very strong in 2010. Perhaps the best. Other strong contenders are Bonham (NSW) and Jones (Vic). Haven't seen too much of anyone up there at that level from QLD. Sure more will emerge. Still early days.

Daly definitely best 2010 in my opinion. Great skillset and all-round game for a 12/13 year old.

11s already emerging
Hill, Vanderjagt etc

Crossland is better than Hill in 2011 IMO.

That's a big call.

BWA is the biggest joke of Australian basketball right now. The selection process of teams are terrible and judging by this new Wildcats academy and 80% of the players that have been selected to that, then then we will continue to finish well below par for years to come.

Username checks out.

Lol @ Perthworld - 100% a great call. As for the so called realtalk, what do you consider par? 2018 - U18 Gold Medal, 2021 - U18 Gold Medal, 2022 - U16 - Bronze Medal, 2023 - U20 Gold Medal. 2021-2022 - 4 CoE athletes, 5 in U19 Aus team (didn't travel to play). 2022 - 2 players in U15 Aus team. 2023 - 4 players in U19 Aus team, 5 in squad. Does seem far below par, right realtalk? So, is the real talk more that you are simply a frustrated parent who's Little Johnny isn't good enough to crack the higher level, a frustrated player for that same reason or a frustrated coach who can't crack it either?

How about the girls?

@ Camel - the query referred directly to Wildcats Academy so therefore only boys, so the response reflected that.