Dunkman's curse strikes again!
Surely, after his prediction, Phoenix are in the box seat.

What a circle jerk between commentary and their boy Tommy Greer pre-game. Ugh.

Anyone else find Joel Peterson's calling annoying, it's like he thinks he's calling an AFL game.

Clear foul by Sarr on Stattman

While they trail by 12 at the quarter, SEM showed early when they play team, even with this side they are formidable, went to iso and fell behind.

Sarr having fun out there tonight :)

Te rangi is a horrible defender, Sarr just to big, got ugly fast.

Sarr back on the bench already? I don't know why he doesn't get more minutes. Maybe related to his injury, but even pre-injury I think he deserved more minutes.

Sarr back on playing alongside Pinder which is nice to see. And he has a 3 point play already...

Enjoyable game, Sarr and Pinder together could be the combination to beat United, Sarr length on Jla could nullify him.

Sarr was absolutely blowing when he came out. Was just gassed. No Doolittle for the first 7 mins of the second quarter tho?

Not lot D being played, enjoyable game though.

Sarr was absolutely blowing when he came out. Was just gassed.

Cotton cleaned up mid air on a floater, no call...

As much as I love watching bryce cotton this talk of him being mvp is rubbish. Shooting percentage way below his peers and appalling 3pt %. Creek easily the better player this season not to mention lamb and pjc both better also. Let's not pick based on history

Don't mean to derail game chat but just heard him mentioned as mvp candidate

Candidate lol.
One below average round doesn't erase what he has done prior to that.

Walks under BC landing space, no call, creek straight through wagstaff, gets the call.... even gaze saying they should have gone the other way... ref's making a game of it

Kelly should certainly coach SEM next season, as Gaze said, nbl1 team and competing.

One below average round?? What have you been watching? He's shooting 40% & 34% for the season

Throwing up lots of shots to average 25pts doesn't make an mvp

Lol ok

Kolzee how about almost 30 points per game from Round 5 onwards? At 45% shooting.

So overturn the call... creek should have been a charge too. How about oxwells reach in?

Spot on Kolzee.
Will Magnay is the real MVP
He is 70% from the field.

Maxm - I thought it's a season award? Or do you get to pick which rounds are considered?!

The idea that Cotton's only value out there is his points and FG% stats is pretty laughable, yeah.

OK luuuc, throw assists in the mix and he's further off the pace. Take your blinkers off! Creek clearly outperforming. You can't argue with that

I can't only assume you're a cats fan

BC is like you don't call any lottle hands fouls, now when I get a wide open layup, you call it.

If you started watching the league 2 days ago then yep, no question.

Personally I'm not sure how "valuable" a player is who carries their team to dead last but YMMV.

Great fight from SEM today. If it wasn't for Sarr bullying undersized scrubs this could have gone very badly for the Cats.
Ultimately any road win is a good win but we suddenly look out of sorts.

That's weird, I thought you said if you didn't count the start of the season then BC is mvp. Now you're saying if you only watched the last two days he wouldn't be! Sounds like you're trying to capture a 10 day sample when he was the best player!!!

Creek would be up there in the mvp voting but Cotton clearly the best player in the league with Creek and a few others close behind.
Very enjoyable game and well reffed, games that flow are so much better, and yes they did get some calls wrong for both sides.

That's weird, I thought you said if you didn't count the start of the season then BC is mvp.

That hasn't been true for years, the final 2-3 weeks never count.

Mate you've tied yourself in knots with what you think should and shouldn't be considered!

The point is, mvp should be the best player in the league for the season and to date this hasn't been cotton. Even you wint argue with that

We will see whether by seasons end he's caught up

It's for the most valuable player, not necessarily the 'best’.

Bryce’s production, how important (valuable) he is to the teams success have him in the convo every year.

Also, they win a lot. Winning is pretty important. Creek unlucky to be playing for a club that can’t keep his teammates on the floor every year.

It's the MVP most valuable player. Not best player. The player that helps his team secure a win. Cotton has helped h is team win more than any other. Creek unlucky ain’t won shit...ain’t no MVP.

Mate you've tied yourself in knots with what you think should and shouldn't be considered!

The point is, mvp should be the best player in the league for the season

I can't see anyone being in contention other than Cotton and Goulding. Those are the most influential players on the two best teams.

Cotton had a poor start but has been extremely good since with only one team really able to stop him. Goulding's high-volume efficiency has been ridiculous, and he is clearly the leading +/- guy on the top team.

The best team's best player is always the correct starting point IMO.

What's with this rubbish about how the MVP should be from the winning team.

It's part of the pop fan culture that have led to the player of the game only being from the winning team!

Anyone who knows the game at all knows the best player in a game can be in the losing side. But happy watching to those fans that think otherwise!

Anonymightymouse you hit the nail on the head with efficiency. That is the measure that should count above almost all else

Pop fans love players scoring 25 pts per game even if it takes 20 attempts per game to get it!

"The best team's best player is always the correct starting point IMO."

Luuuc you thought cotton should be mvp last year! As I say you've just contradicted yourself over and over

Brian Wethers says hi.

Brian Wethers says hi.

As I say you've just contradicted yourself over and over

Btw, Kolzee, Creek is paying $34 for MVP atm.
Get on it and get rich before everyone else finds out and the price crashes.

"Still waiting for you to point to even one contradiction."

All good mate, I just did and you conveniently overlooked it.

But I can only guess you're a cats supporter from your comments so it's not like you're gonna see it objectively or even with some rationale

The good thing is cotton won it when he deserved and didn't last year also when several others were better

Will be interesting to see whether he can improve his efficiency for the rest of the season and claim it

"What's with this rubbish about how the MVP should be from the winning team."

As a general rule, a great player whose performances are leading his team to wins is more valuable than a great player who isn't. What value is the latter providing, improving their team's percentage?

Now I'm more than happy for a player from a lower team to win MVP if they lead their team to an overachieving year, but there is no overachieving team this season, so I think MVP should come from the top two who are well ahead of the back.

To be fair if you look at the entire season then Cotton for MVP makes a lot of sense. He had a stinker of a start to the season (5 rounds worth) however he has then turned it on and is absolutely killing the competition to the point its brought his team from the bottom to second on the ladder right on the heels of United, this is showing how valuable he is to the team.

You cant eliminate a player from MVP contention for underperforming for a small part of it, there is no player who has played well every single game. Cotton will be a deserving winner should he be awarded the MVP and I think his peers from around the league wouldn't disagree with him.

I mostly agree big fudge but also mvps generally deliver when the team needs them.

And part of my earlier point which some others didn't appreciate is that in perths loss to hawks last round cotton shot 2/12 which counts against him.

And if you compare that to creek vs kings when he won the game for them that puts him up the ladder

Cotton being as classy as he is will probably make up ground by seasons end but at this point in the season he's trailing imo

If you are using the method that they use for MVP's you have to remember how much fitness plays into it.
1-2-3-4-5 for each game. So by that metric Mitch Creek missed probably about as many games cotton had a stinker.
If we use the "player of the games" as a general idea of who gets the 4/5 in each game I would say cotton has more.
The winningest teams will also be more likely to have top votes for their players

If you are using the method that they use for MVP's you have to remember how much fitness plays into it.
1-2-3-4-5 for each game.

And part of my earlier point which some others didn't appreciate is that in perths loss to hawks last round cotton shot 2/12 which counts against him.

And if you compare that to creek vs kings when he won the game for them that puts him up the ladder