Luuuc
Two months ago

Boomers - Asia Cup Qualifiers (Round 1)

Thu 6:30pm AEST - Boomers vs Korea, in Bendigo (ESPN)

Mon 0:00am AEST - Indonesia vs Boomers, in Jakarta (ESPN)


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Team:
Nick Kay (C)
Taran Armstrong
Josh Bannan
Josh Dent
Ben Henshall
Isaac Humphries
Jordan Hunter
Nick Marshall
Mitch McCarron
Kye Savage
Dejan Vasiljevic
Rocco Zikarsky

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Another Anon  
Two months ago

Yuk. Putrid 1st quarter offensively. Understand they've only trained together a couple times but that wasn't good enough.

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Another Anon  
Two months ago

Just got worse. Probably the worst half of Boomers basketball I've seen in a long time. Lucky to only be down 4 at the half.
Kay good in 2nd qtr but Armstrong and DJV having absolute shockers. Every else very average.
Hope Gorg gives them a rocket.

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Manders  
Two months ago

What on Earth is McCarron doing out there?

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hoopie  
Two months ago

Goorjian will be very challenged to put enough competent defenders out there.

Can he afford to have MMM and DJV together, or Kay and Bannan, from a defensive pov?

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MaxM  
Two months ago

How much better are the referees compared to the NBL refs tho? Flow of the game is so much better

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Ski 76  
Two months ago

If the Taipans are expecting Taran Armstrong to run point next season they're screwed

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hoopie  
Two months ago

You have to like his energy LOL

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Sebastian  
Two months ago

One of them is an NBL ref lol

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Luuuc  
Two months ago

Never in doubt!

:p

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Patty"TheGOAT"Mills  
Two months ago

Winning or losing is not important.
It was truly the worst performance.

Now Patty and Goulding have no time left. If they retire, now we don't have shooters and scorers.

Are Australia's basketball education and training methods wrong?
Current league players and young prospects all appear to be similar types of players. They all can't shoot or score. Even in Asia, with this level of performance, we cannot show good performances against Europe and America.

I am worried about the future.

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ME (he/kangaroo)  
Two months ago

I was worried at half time but my worry has cooled off a lot since then. It was a hideous game but the team, who we will loosely call "the Boomers', ended up figuring a way to fight out of a deep hole when nothing was working for them. Some kudos is deserved for that. A first-ever game for the group, against an asian team that plays a style you're not used to and who got the jump on you early, and also have more speed and agility than you do, is a challenge and they were able to overcome that.

"Now Patty and Goulding have no time left. If they retire, now we don't have shooters and scorers."

There is only one player on this team who has a bees dick chance of playing in Paris - Nick Kay. There are only one other player on this team that has any chance in the future - Rocco Zikarsky. I wouldn't be overreacting too much to this game as far as our talent stocks go. We didn't even have a lot of the better NBL Aussies available. Here are some that spring to mind:

Nathan Sobey
Chris Goulding
Matthew Dellavedova
Luke Travers
Magnay
Jack McVeigh
Mitch Creek
Jonah Bolden
Alex Toohey
Jaylin Galloway
Sam Frolling
Keanu Pinder
William McDowell-White

Any of those guys would walk onto this team.

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Guys who will fill the "shooters and scorers" mould coming forward after Paris

Josh Green
Dante Exum
Proctor
Johnny Furphy
Jaylin Galloway maybe?
Further ahead Suilepa
Dash Daniels


We dont have to have the answers today for who will be there in 2027 and beyond but we're not without answers to that question. And as hideous as today was, it means almost zero as far as the Paris Boomers can be concerned.

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Patty"TheGOAT"Mills  
Two months ago

Nathan Sobey
Chris Goulding
Matthew Dellavedova
Luke Travers
Magnay
Jack McVeigh
Mitch Creek
Jonah Bolden
Alex Toohey
Jaylin Galloway
Sam Frolling
Keanu Pinder
William McDowell-White

How many of these players performed well in international competitions?
Aside from Delly, Goulding and Creek, honestly, no one has shown anything.

Nathan Sobey

vs Kazakhstan
19Min / 0PTS (FG 0/4 , 2PTS 0/3 , 3PTS 0/1)

vs Bahrain
27Min / 8PTS (FG 3/10 , 2PTS 2/5 . 3PTS 1/5 , FT 1/2)

Sobey showed poor performance even against teams whose level was much lower than that of Korea.

Frolling? What can his playing style show at international competitions? He's a classic league player.

Pinder? In every international competition he has participated in, he has been a very disappointing player.

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Patty"TheGOAT"Mills  
Two months ago

Although they have not shown anything in international competitions yet, the players we can look forward to are McVeigh, Magnay and Galloway. (Including if Bolden's performance improves a little more)

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JMS  
Two months ago

Only watched the last quarter and the Boomers were obviously a bit sluggish but did enough when it mattered.

Is the dislike for McCarron related purely to Adelaide paying overs? He's still a baller in the right system imo and in this Boomers lineup is an essential piece, running the plays, hard defence, versatile and a leader.

Josh Bannan looks a player that will have a long Boomers career, Henshall at only 19 is a future star. SEM should be trying to offer him a significant role.

Kay very valuable as always.

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Luuuc  
Two months ago

Kay & McCarron were excellent.
(Yes, I'm pretty sure that most of the backlash against Mitch is indeed because he got overs. As always he is not good at pushing past his limits, but can be very effective playing his role with the right guys around him.)

I like Armstrong in general and while he had his up & downs in this one, it was a good learning game for him.
Bannan & Henshall both did well.
Shout out to DJ as well. Awful first half, but I liked his composure in the 2nd, and he turned himself into a weapon again when the time was right.

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Biggest red flag out of all that was how Korea exploited our drop coverage on ball screens. Looks like Goorj hasn't changed anything in that regard from the WC.

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AussiePride  
Two months ago

Our biggest problem is that Goorj cannot coach. He is an overpayed and overated cheerleader. We have plenty of decent coaches that could run a decent offense but while Goorj is coaching we are going to look bad and play terrible basketball. Do not blame the players as they are no chance while there is no clear direction.

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Sebastian  
Two months ago

The game has passed old Goorj by. That is obvious to see. Any NBL club would be crazy to pick up the ranting fossil

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The Phantom  
Two months ago

The problem imo is that players are pushed with the prototype they must be long and athletic and be able to play multiple positions. While in theory that's great, we end up with multiple players that whilst interchangeable, aren't specialised at a position. The real Boomers, not this b grade NBL mish mash, half aren't or shouldn't be starters, or full of 6 7 athletes who aren't natural shooters or scorers and are primarily multiple position players that can switch defensively. Mad old Brian is still caught up in the old Titan days of McKinnon, Smith etc that would win with defensive pressure. That doesn't work anymore against modern offensive schemes. And the guy will build around non shooters Giddey while phasing out Mills and if he makes it, not even using Goulding. We'll be relying on Landale inside against Jokic, Embiid, Gobert and other monster centres, Reath will have to stretch the floor because the rest will be three 6 7 guys standing around being dared to shoot.
Should have gotten rid of Brian after disastrous WC and may have had enough time to get a competent coach and system to compete. Basketball Australia seriously have no-one with any idea at the top. Then you have a multiple NBL MVP who is a scorer not given any help for his naturalization who could at least fill a huge need.

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Perthworld  
Two months ago

It's sad that our Olympic campaign is being wasted as a sendoff for Goorj. BA are useless and should have acted immediately after the World Cup.

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Basket 91  
Two months ago

Get Gleeson and Vickerman in post Olympics.

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Dunkman  
Two months ago

Bevo, was great in a few qualifying games previously.

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NBLTigers  
Two months ago

BA needs Vickerman and Gleeson. They know the modern plays of basketball.

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ME (he/kangaroo)  
Two months ago

I've had issues with Goorjian as Boomers coach for literally decades now. He's always made baffling in-game decisions that have often cost us big games. I have a good idea, lets watch the US break down our 15 point lead and not call a time out or make any changes. Another great idea, letsa have David Barlow take the ball up on nthe last play against Greece in 2006 and be surprised he lost the ball. oh and lets watch Nick Kay get abused AGAIN AND AGAIN by Schroeder and do exactly nothing about it. He'll go on some long winded rant explaining why he felt he had to allow these things but the long and short of it is he's not been a good play by play coach for a long time. Things you can get away with in the NBL dont fly internationally.

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NBLTigers  
Two months ago

Why is the Jakarta game on 8pm Indonesian time on a Sunday night?

This time is baffling so midnight watch in Aus. They should be playing at 4pm. They have new arenas with air conditioning since the BA World Cup.

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Perthworld  
Two months ago

8pm is a standard tipoff time.

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Patty"TheGOAT"Mills  
Two months ago

Poor and disappointing defense and offense.

I said Goorj should be replaced as soon as the World Cup ends.

I don't know what we are doing against a weak team like Indonesia. The score isn't the issue. We don't see any features at all. The team defense is not good either. But that doesn't mean the team offense is good.

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Perthworld  
Two months ago

#Gleeson2024 please, for the Olympics.

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Patty"TheGOAT"Mills  
Two months ago

They can't make shots.
McCarron was wide open, but he did not attempt a 3-pointer. Armstrong also has no confidence in his 3-point shooting.
Their position is guard, not center.

DJV has been playing very inefficient offense for two games in a row. He was one of the best players in the last World Cup qualifiers, but he was a real disappointment in the Asia Cup qualifiers.

Humphries and Hunter cannot go to the Olympics. They have no presence in offense or defense, even against Korea and Indonesia. It's a disappointing result, especially for Humphries. I have always said that league and international competitions are completely different types of basketball.

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Luuuc  
Two months ago

Awesome win. Blew them away with that 22-2 3rd quarter and then kept the foot to the throat with the 35-16 finish. High quality dominant basketball.

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Weedy Slug  
Two months ago

None of these guys should make the Olympic team.

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ME (he/kangaroo)  
Two months ago

Magnay should be the back up center.

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hoopie  
Two months ago

Agree re Magnay - he has a bit more mongrel, which will be needed against some of the Euro big guys.

The other two are talented but are too nice and are better at finishing than creating opportunities, I reckon.

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hoopie  
Two months ago

Interesting to see that Japan beat China for the first time in 88 years (according to the FIBA website).

Even better (esp for United fans) Yudai Baba led the way with 24 points on four triples, alongside 4 rebounds, 2 assists, and a steal.

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Dunkman  
Two months ago

Bulgaria beat Germany, though it was probably German 2nd, 3rd string side. Asia is getting better but it's far away from the quality of euro qualifiers.

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Patty"TheGOAT"Mills  
Two months ago

Will Kay be selected for the Olympic roster? Perhaps Goorj will pick him.

But I hope he isn't selected for these Olympics. There are many reasons.
The first is that his defensive activity has decreased significantly. He will have some weaknesses in perimeter defense. In fact, opposing teams have no fear of his defense.
Second, the Boomers' core is now Giddey, not Patty. Kay and Giddey's play styles do not have synergy.

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I like Magnay's performance in the league, but he has nothing proven in international competition. I hope he gets to the camp and I'd like to see how well he can perform against the Euros, at least in a warm-up game.

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Dunkman  
Two months ago

Spain at 0-2 in euros, lost to Latvia and Belgium.

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ME (he/kangaroo)  
Two months ago

"I like Magnay's performance in the league, but he has nothing proven in international competition. I hope he gets to the camp and I'd like to see how well he can perform against the Euros, at least in a warm-up game."

Well what other options do we have? Your obvious centers are Landale and Reath. There will be times when both of them should be on the court so who do you have in reserve? Magnay has cut his teeth in the NBA which gives me enough to say he can be trusted for a deep bench spot with the team above Humphries and the daylight that follows him.

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ME (he/kangaroo)  
Two months ago

I dont want to see any leanings towards small ball this time. We tried it and the results were catastrophic. Way too much load was put on Landale and when he got injured, that broke everything we tried to do. We were very fortunate to trouble Germany in that world cup game. We shouldnt allow ourselves to be so shorthanded again.

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Dunkman  
Two months ago

Magnay is absolutely kicking arse, he's should be Paris bound.

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KET  
Last month

Simmons out for the rest of the NBA season so we might as well give up all hope of seeing him in Boomers colours

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