Patty"TheGOAT"Mills
Last month

Who will be the Boomers scorer at the Paris Olympics?

The most worrying part about the Paris Olympics is the lack of a three-level scorer. There is no player who can ISO at a critical moment.

Patty is one of the best Boomers scorers of all time, but we can't expect more from him. He had very ups and downs in the last Basketball World Cup and is currently recording the worst shooting efficiency of his career.

NBA - 26G 3.3PTS (FG 33.3%, 3P 29.2%)

Last 5 Games

vs DEN
2PTS (FG 1-6 16.7%, 3P 0-3)

vs DET
0PTS (FG 0-4, 3P 0-3)

vs DET
1PTS (FG 0-4, 3P 0-4, FT 1-1)

vs PHI
3PTS (FG 1-6 16.7%, 3P 1-5 20%)

vs CLE
10PTS (FG 3-11, 3P 1-8, FT 3-3)

Total 3.2PTS (FG 5-31 16.13%, 3P 2-23 8.6%)

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Goulding is one of the best players in the NBL, but like Patty, he is older and slower on his feet and is a simple catch-and-shooter in FIBA Ball. Although DJV is young, he is similar to Goulding. And DJV showed a very disappointing performance in the Basketball World Cup qualifiers. I had high hopes for Proctor, a promising player, but he is still too young and showed a very disappointing performance in the NCAA this season.
Giddey, Exum, Green, etc. are good role players, but they cannot ISO at critical moments.

In the end, we were quickly eliminated from the last Basketball World Cup because the prime time for Patty, the only three-level scorer, ended.

If the three-level scorer issue is not resolved, it will be difficult for us to win even one victory at the Paris Olympics.

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ME (he/kangaroo)  
Last month

NBA stats and FIBA dont always translate. I think the world cup just proved that this team is not ready to move away from Patty yet. He should have one last tournament as the main guy.

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Patty"TheGOAT"Mills  
Last month

The stats don't always match up, but it's true that this season has been the worst efficiency of his career. He has never been this inefficient. There is no denying that he was the Boomers' best player. He was still the Boomers' best scorer in the last World Cup, but he was ups and downs from quarter to quarter and had disappointing results in the clutch, so we shouldn't rely too much on him now. I want him to play as a sixth man.

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BALLER#3  
Last month

I agree GOAT, Patty as 6th man just makes sense. If he is our no 1 option, we are not making it out of the group stage. Ingles should also not be starting anymore IMO, although he has been more serviceable this season.

I struggle to see this team going very far, as I agree we just lack the scoring options to fall back on.

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LV  
Last month

We'll be relying on Giddey to run the offense and open everything up for others

Like the role Ricky Rubio played for Spain for 15 years

We may not have a dominant scorer but Giddey can open the door for a well rounded team offense

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Big Fudge  
Last month

Plenty of P&R with Giddey and Landale, something we didnt get to see at the FIBA Championships due to Landales injury.

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Cram  
Last month

Yeah I imagine the ball in Giddey's hands with everyone else out there spacing the floor. Green, Dante, Thybule (on a good day), Ingles Landale, Reath etc.

With Mills as the 6th man, maybe on a second unit with Daniels, Cooks/White etc

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Patty"TheGOAT"Mills  
Last month

The players I was most worried about this season were Landale and Patty.
Fortunately, Landale's efficiency continues to improve. I hope Patty finds his good rhythm as much as possible during the remaining period.

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Isaac  
Last month

I think whether we like it or not, it's probably going to be Giddey distributing to others as well as scoring. It was a maligned campaign last time, but he still scored 19 PPG and his FG% was good even if the 3P wasn't. Then Mills off the bench. Ingles needs to shoot the three or I'm not sure what he's there for.

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AussiePride  
Last month

Agree with Baller #3. Patty could work with second unit but we need to limit his and Joe's minutes based on performance, not on history. I still like Goulding as a shooter but Goorj has no idea what he is doing so he would be wasted again. Exum and Giddey are our key players. I am also high on taking 3 bigs Magnay, Reath and Landale with Landale able to play the 4 at times with one of the other 2 at centre. I was OK with not taking Delly to the Worlds but I almost think he is a better player now than he was last year so could have a role if we break down at the point.

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threeball  
Last month

Giddey / Delly / Green
Exum / Mills / Goulding
Thybulle/ Ingles
Landale / White
Reath / Magnay

Last cuts: Kay, Cooks, DJV

Starting unit has solid, but not elite, shooting. Second has more synergy in terms of the old Boomers core, while White and Magnay give some athleticism.

You could swap Dante and Patty in terms of starting - but Mills and Giddey didn't seem to mesh well at the WC, plus Exum shores up the defensive chops in the backcourt with Thybulle. If you want more offense and playmaking, slot Joe into the starting unit in place of Matisse.

I think you’ll need to have a look at DJV as he is the next best shooter to Goulding. But he hasn't set the world on fire at international level and Goulding is coming off a very good season.

It’ll come down to training camp in terms of which one of White, Kay and Cooks do best. Marginally giving to White at the moment as Kay looked a step slow at the WC and he’s a better shooter than Cooks.

Delly gets the nod for his playmaking, solid outside shooting, defense and experience at this level. With Daniels and Simmons out, it opens the door for him.

Reath and Landale are interchangeable at 4 and 5, both have the ability to also space the floor, Duop more so.

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hoopie  
Last month

Just saw a few minutes of Magic v Pelicans, which included Ingles.

Chair 1, Jingles 0.

He should not be going to Paris, sorry to say.

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Dunkman  
Last month

Travers should be there ahead of Thybulle, great at both ends. Travers has been fantastic inGF

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Patty"TheGOAT"Mills  
Last month

Patty's Last 6 Games

vs DEN
2PTS (FG 1-6 / 3P 0-3)

vs DET
0PTS (FG 0-4 / 3P 0-3)

vs DET
1PTS (FG 0-4 / 3P 0-4 / FT 1-1)

vs PHI
3PTS (FG 1-6 / 3P 1-5)

vs CLE
10PTS (FG 3-11 / 3P 1-8 / FT 3-3)

vs NOP
4PTS (FG 2-7 / 3P 0-4)

Total (FG 7-38 18.4% / 3P 2-27 7.4%)

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Miami gave Patty plenty of opportunities. Miami no longer has time to wait for Patty. It wouldn't be surprising if Miami waived him today. Maybe from the next game he won't be able to play anymore. Could his shooting efficiency improve?

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Patty"TheGOAT"Mills  
Last month

Patty Mills - 27G, 3.4PTS (FG 33% / 3P 27.5%)

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mangiaMangia  
Last month

Yeah, Goulding's not shining like he used to, and the young guns aren't filling the void either. We're seriously missing someone who can step up when it counts. Without that clutch factor, our chances at the Paris Olympics don't look too promising.

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Dunkman  
Last month

Goulding been great in the finals and most season, opsm might help.

Re Kay v Cooks, check out their stats in the b league, Kay is far superior in all areas, Cooks free throws and three point attempts are not even nbl1 level.

As I previously voiced my opinion, get a decent squad together at let them duel it out on the court and take the best.

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Patty"TheGOAT"Mills  
Last month

I believe that neither Kay nor Cooks should be selected for the final roster for the upcoming Olympics. But Goorj will choose both.

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Weedy Slug  
Last month

Under Goorj...

Mills
Dellevedova
Goulding or Vasiljevic
Exum
Green
Daniels or Thybulle or Galloway
Giddey
Ingles
Cooks
Kay or White or Travers or Magnay
Reath
Landale



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MaxM  
Last month

I would rather see Magnay in definitely ahead of Cooks, maybe not ahead of Kay because Jack White has been pretty poor in the G League this year. Don't think he's ready for regular back up minutes just yet.

IMO start Duop at the 4 alongside Landale, Kay as the backup 4. Magnay backup 5.

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Basket 91  
Last month

Giddey/Delly
Mills/Exum/Goulding
Ingles/Thybulle
Reath/Kay
Landale/Magnay

Then either Daniels, Cooks or White

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JT  
Last month

There won't be a big-time scorer. We will be as clunky as the World Cup because Goorjian is too stubborn and/or unimaginative to change it. We will get bundled out in the group stage.

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The Phantom  
Last month

Totally agree with JT, there's no scorer we can hitch the wagons to, unless Patty has a couple of flashbacks to 10 years ago, and the near impossibility of Goulding getting a decent chance. Landale should have a decent scoring night every now and then, but constantly banging bodies on both ends will take its toll.
Teams have seen OKC all year and what to do against Giddey. He'll have much more of a green light, maybe that pressure being taken off may help. If not it's packing the paint and hoping Reath, Green, Thybulle etc can shoot enough threes.
GLeague wouldn't have suited White, most are there to show off their wares which isn't his game. Simply for his Olympic chances he would have been better off in the NBL.
And I'm still standing by Cooks will make it purely by signing with Sydney and Brian, he looks after his boys.

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Dunkman  
Last month

Giddey, Delly
Green, Mills, Goulding
Exum, Travers
Reath, Kay
Landale, Magnay
Inglis probably gets last spot, I'd take White or whatever performs well in the camp, perhaps DJV.

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ME (he/kangaroo)  
Last month

The Olympics are going to be tough for us, and there's no escaping we're a team in transition. For the Boomners to medal we need a last hurrah from Patty Mills where he winds back the clock. I don't really see it. We will be capably assisted by Exum, Green, Reath, Landale but if Patty isn't firing we're going to struggle to make the top 8.

We all saw McVeigh's shot today. Sometimes one shot can change a lot of things. it was one shot that propelled Michael Jordan up the NBA draft board. All I am saying is in a choice for a bench shooter role, a taller, stronger, younger, more energetic and defensively capable McVeigh sounds better than an aging Goulding who brings only one skillset and not enough of anything else to warrant court time.

Delly has made some big mistakes in the Finals series but has shown enough to put his name back in the mix.

My team:

Giddey
Mills
Ingles (form or not, he makes it)
Reath
Landale
Exum
Green
Thybulle
Magnay
Delly
McVeigh
Cooks

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Dunkman  
Last month

In the three GF games McVeigh is minus 18

Travers is plus 7 in a losing side.

Yes McVeigh can hit winners and has improved miles but Travers is a better overall player. Vickerman has Travers on the bench to long, as soon as he hits the bench McVeigh starts scoring. Neither can play the four at international level, to small.

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ME (he/kangaroo)  
Last month

The Boomers prospects really rest on who or what comes out of the qualifiers. i think Spain - Greece or Slovenia should. Spain is in a similar spot as Australia as theyre in transition so I think that game could go either way. Slovenia and Greece are both one-man bands. Not saying theyre not talented teams but they can be managed.

My prediction is we do win at least one pool game and make our way through to the top 8. But from then on, we run a high risk of facing USA, France, Serbia or Germany in the quarterfinals. I think we'll have a better team than we had at the Cup just because we expect to have Landale and hopefully a Magnay type off the bench to help a bit with our size troubles. But even the most ardent Boomers fan would not call us favourites in any of those games. This team needs to gel and find great synergy and fighting spirit to punch above its weight for anything beyond a quarterfinal exit.

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hoopie  
Last month

Magnay is a must for Paris, Delly should go based on current form and competitiveness.

I don't agree that Travers should replace NBA guys like Thybulle or Daniels for Paris. Travers’ time will come after Paris, when some will retire or be dropped from consideration.

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Patty"TheGOAT"Mills  
Last month

Joe Ingles - 2 October 1987 (age 36)

Patty Mills - 11 August 1988 (age 35)

Chris Goulding - 24 October 1988 (age 35)

Matthew Dellavedova - 8 September 1990 (age 33)

Nick Kay - 3 August 1992 (age 31)

Folks, the Olympics don't happen once a year or once every two years. It's once every four years. The old veteran players' dedication and love for the Boomers is truly amazing and I am grateful.
But if all these players are included in the final roster, can the Boomers win a medal? If it were possible to win a medal, I would have every player on the roster, but most basketball fans know that winning a medal is difficult.

I think at most two of the five veterans should be included in the final roster for the Paris Olympics.

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Sebastian  
Last month

We are not winning a medal in Paris

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ME (he/kangaroo)  
Last month

With four year Olympic cycles it really is hard to blood anyo0ne for anything. Obviously there's the world cup the year before but I've always believed you put results now ahead of the future unless there is no way we can compete today.

I am not sure we're at a point where we cant compete. All we have to judge this on is a world cup where we were missing a starting centre. I can say we will be underdogs but I am not sure we throw the towel in and use this olympics as a changeover. A lot of the key guys for 2028 are likely already in and around the team.

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Patty"TheGOAT"Mills  
Last month

Can Landale and Reath be on the floor together? Will Goorj use those two together?
In last year's warm-up game, he didn't use those two together. Landale played as a starter and Reath played as a bench player.

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Patty"TheGOAT"Mills  
Last month

Patty's Last 7 Games

vs DEN
2PTS (FG 1-6 / 3P 0-3)

vs DET
0PTS (FG 0-4 / 3P 0-3)

vs DET
1PTS (FG 0-4 / 3P 0-4 / FT 1-1)

vs PHI
3PTS (FG 1-6 / 3P 1-5)

vs CLE
10PTS (FG 3-11 / 3P 1-8 / FT 3-3)

vs NOP
4PTS (FG 2-7 / 3P 0-4)

vs CLE
10PTS (FG 4-8 / 3P 2-5)

Total (FG 11-46 23.9% / 3P 4-32 12.5%)

28G, 3.6PTS (FG 34.2% / 3P 28.4%)

Patty's efficiency has increased slightly today.

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McBlurter  
Last month

Like last time, start with the last roster and talk about what changes from there.

Giddey
Mills
Thybulle
Kay
Reath

Exum
Green
Daniels
Goulding
Ingles
White
Cook

1st obvious change is Landale is coming in
2nd is I think Green wit start at Mills expense. This also won't be a straight swap, but Mills will have a role which makes Goulding redundant.

It could be that simple, Landale for Goulding and go with 5 bigs.

Green starting off guard, Daniels (if fit) as replacement for the role, Mills injected for points. I can't think of a replacement there is Daniels is unfit... it might bring Delly back into the team..

Cook and White will be under pressure, I think Magnay has put forward the most compelling case. I would suggest Cooks is more at risk, but camp will sort this out.

After this NBA season, Landale and Reath will get plenty of minutes, so maybe not.

Yeah, Landale returning for Goulding, and a change of roles at the 2 spot might be it.

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Patty"TheGOAT"Mills  
Last month

It seems like Patty has lost confidence in his 3-point shooting.
He didn't attempt a 3-pointer in a wide-open situation, attempted a drive-in, and the offense ended up failing. We're seeing quite a few situations like this this season.

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Patty"TheGOAT"Mills  
Last month

Patty's Last 8 Games

vs DEN
2PTS (FG 1-6 / 3P 0-3)

vs DET
0PTS (FG 0-4 / 3P 0-3)

vs DET
1PTS (FG 0-4 / 3P 0-4 / FT 1-1)

vs PHI
3PTS (FG 1-6 / 3P 1-5)

vs CLE
10PTS (FG 3-11 / 3P 1-8 / FT 3-3)

vs NOP
4PTS (FG 2-7 / 3P 0-4)

vs CLE
10PTS (FG 4-8 / 3P 2-5)

vs GSW
2PTS (FG 1-5 / 3P 0-2)

Total (FG 12-51 23.5% / 3P 4-34 11.7%)

29G, 3.6PTS (FG 33.6% / 3P 27.6%)

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KWhite_Rulez  
Last month

Patty is cooked but I'd still pick him in the Olympics squad. Real worry is if he's not scoring, who will take up the load.

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Sebastian  
Last month

Patty 17 points in 27 mins...

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Patty"TheGOAT"Mills  
Last month

Patty's Last 9 Games

vs DEN
2PTS (FG 1-6 / 3P 0-3)

vs DET
0PTS (FG 0-4 / 3P 0-3)

vs DET
1PTS (FG 0-4 / 3P 0-4 / FT 1-1)

vs PHI
3PTS (FG 1-6 / 3P 1-5)

vs CLE
10PTS (FG 3-11 / 3P 1-8 / FT 3-3)

vs NOP
4PTS (FG 2-7 / 3P 0-4)

vs CLE
10PTS (FG 4-8 / 3P 2-5)

vs GSW
2PTS (FG 1-5 / 3P 0-2)

vs POR
17PTS (FG 5-8 / 3P 2-5)

Total (FG 17-59 28.8% / 3P 6-39 15.3%)

30G, 4PTS (FG 35.5% / 3P 28.4%)

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Anonymightymouse  
Last month

Patty's last 9 games:

v Georgia
19pts (6/12, 3/8)

v Slovenia
17pts (5/13, 3/4)

v Japan
11pts (4/13, 1/6)

v Germany
21pts (9/14, 3/5)

v Finland
25pts (11/22, 2/8)

v Slovenia
42pts (15/31, 4/15)

v USA
15pts (5/14, 3/5)

v Argentina
18pts (7/15, 3/4)

v Germany
24pts (9/23, 5/15)

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ME (he/kangaroo)  
Last month

I am not too worried about Patty's shooting woes this far out from the Olympics. All it takes is a couple of good games to turn that around. There's no doubt he'll get his shots with the Boomers and I am confident they will begin to fall at about the clip we're used to. it pays to remember that he's on a new team playing a new role and it's not always easy to make that adjustment mentally. Patty CAN shoot and shooters invariably find their form again at some point.

Delly and McVeigh make this team if we're putting stock on the NBL finals. Id put both ahead of Dyson Daniels who, while he has a lot of potential, doesn't have much of a point of difference to players like Exum, Thybulle and Green who all provide a more mature version of what he's got. McVeigh takes Goulding's spot for me and White drops off the team. Magnay should take Kay's spot.

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MaxM  
Two weeks ago

For mine:
- Landale in for Cooks.
- Delly in for Dyson Daniels.
- Magnay in for Jack White.
- McVeigh/Goulding compete at camp for the last spot as a shooter off the bench.

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hoopie  
Two weeks ago

Landale, Delly, Magnay and McVeigh in, as you suggested MM

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Dunkman  
Two weeks ago

Cooks is not missing out, in good form at present with Mooney not playing lately.

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ME (he/kangaroo)  
Two weeks ago

Cooks signed in Sydney and Goorjian ALWAYS takes care of his guys. I would have said Cooks was a bubble guy bu after that signing, he's a lock. You can bet on it.

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MaxM  
Two weeks ago

I know he will almost certainly be selected, I was just putting forward my personal selections.

Don't think you can use Cooks' current form as any guide for selection, yes he will be in camp but from there it's just if he performs in camp.
Has had a good recent few games, but overall has been fairly average in a Japanese league where most nights he has a clear athletic or size advantage. Compare him to a John Mooney or Nick Kay.

If we're going off B-League form, Nick Kay would be the first player picked for the Boomers which we all know is far from the truth

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Dunkman  
Two weeks ago

Agree on Kay, you are probably right re the b league on both Cooks and quality.

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Patty"TheGOAT"Mills  
Two weeks ago

With Miami's injured players returning, Patty is DNP for the fourth straight game.

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ME (he/kangaroo)  
Two weeks ago

The problem with comparing B League to the Olympics isn't just the quality of the competition but the size. Big guys often find it easier to match up with big guys than with a bunch of guards or undersized but quick guys, this is why his results may not reflect what he can do in the Olympics.

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Patty"TheGOAT"Mills  
Two weeks ago

If I had to choose between Cooks and Kay, I would choose Cooks. If Patty was the Boomers' core like in the past, I would have chosen Kay, but since the Boomers' core is Giddey now, I think a faster and more athletic player is better.

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Patty"TheGOAT"Mills  
Two weeks ago

If White had played in the NBL instead of the G League, he might have been a lock.

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RobT  
Last week

"If White had played in the NBL instead of the G League, he might have been a lock."
Like Delly!?

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Dunkman  
Yesterday

Curry, James, Embid and Durant named in Olympic squad, now the gold is gone.

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