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Years ago

State Champ Results

Looking through the results indicates that junior basketball in this state is not in a healthy postion when one club is so dominate. Well done to sturt.

However to have a vibrant and growing junior comp there needs to be an even spread on clubs winning in the state champs.

If the junior comp was more even , then teams would be getting hard pressure games each week thus improving the standard of all players.
Ultimately this will flow onto better performance at national state championships.

Teams getting thrashed each week will eventually turn kids away from playing basketball to play other sports.

Simialr problem is happening in the AFL. A young lad has the opportunity to play for collingwood or north melbourne. With the money and resources that collingwood can put forward, the choice will be collingwood. Yet without the smaller clubs being competitive and unable to attract members, what would happen to the competition.

Similar situtation is unfolding with junior basketball.

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Anonymous  
Years ago

You obviously haven't seen the under 18 boys comp, apart from south, centrals and north the competition is very even

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Anonymous  
Years ago

Doesn't the AFL have a draft in place controlling to a certain extent the free movement of juniors to any club??

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Anon  
Years ago

One competition doesnt make a championship - full congratulations to STURT ON JOB WELL DONE.
but BASKETBALL NEEDS A COMPLETE REVIEW - HAVING ONE CLUB SO DOMINATE IS NOT HEALTHY FOR THE SPORT

some clubs didnt even field teams in some grades other clubs cant win a game in any divisions
in local competition
Clubs need to look at a moratorium with BSA leading the way to get a better more even stronger competition - maybe good placer to start would be for clubs to model themselves on Sturt

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Anonymous  
Years ago

But then you will only be as good as Sturt and not better.

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G....T  
Years ago

If only Sturt would lose a few games.

Hang on we do.

its not all one way traffic

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Anonymous  
Years ago

if only sturt didnt have the refs on their side the first 3qtrs

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stirer  
Years ago

If only sturt didn't identify weakness's in their teams then actively persue players from other clubs to strengthen them

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stirer  
Years ago

If only Sturt in the SANFL was as strong as the basketball club :(

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';'  
Years ago

If only the other clubs worked harder they wouldn't leave to go to other clubs... Stirer are you talking to yourself?

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bballfan  
Years ago

Sturt DO have refs on their side for most of the game - how do you justify 8 fouls to sturt vs 26 for another team - this happens all the time and has even been commented on by sturt parents. We should ALL go over to sturt - get a grip refs and start making fairer calls. Very frustrating watching this time after time. All one way!!!

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stirer  
Years ago

Obviously not! you answered :)

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Anonymous  
Years ago

everytime a sturt player squeals for a foul they get it without the ref even watching what was going on

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Anon  
Years ago

Sturt to run basketball in SA!! lol

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Anon  
Years ago

No ref bashing please - told they get intimidated easily and dont like to be critised.Fouls counts arent good indicators - and ref call as best they see it. Cant play without them and no good comes of bagging.If you can do better then get a whistle otherwise get off their case as too many are giving up.

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Anonymous  
Years ago

Clubs need to get more actively involved in junior recruiting so that they can have a broader selection for teams. Southern have done this well and now have enough u14 boys for 6 or 7 teams, and funnily enough were competitive and only lost to sturt who are an amazingly good team. What do clubs actually do to recruit? What promotional tools do they use to attract new families into their club?

Clubs need to stop going to BSA palms up with tears in the eyes telling sob stories and crying poor, and actually activley develop and recruit juniors from there local programs. St Clair runs an extensive miniball program yet local clubs struggle for junior numbers.

It all starts from Aussie Hoops level, which clubs run, to develop pathways for juniors. More kids = harder selection, and not just placing kids into div1 to make up the numbers. It is a similar reason as to why there are some subpar referees, because that is all they have.

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Lucy  
Years ago

Well done to Sturt for their results on the weekend. From the u14/u16 boys games I saw there was integrity, honesty, skill and respect to burn from these kids and their coaches.

But sadly a few Sturt parents let their club down badly. The harassment of a female scorer from an opposing club by (who I assume) was a Sturt parent during an 16B (reserve) game on a Sunday morning final at Pasadena was outrageous. Thankfully an official from Sturt stepped in to calm the situation. Well done to you, Sir.

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Trus 10  
Years ago

Anyone able to give us a run down of some or all of the GFs? Any stand out team performances?

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annon  
Years ago

Some teams went completely missing in ation. What happened to Sturts' U16 Sturt State girls? Did not even make play offs.
And U18 Mavs girls finished 6th overall. Too bad to be true. What's the story?

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rusty dusty  
Years ago

BSA need to change the rules about team nominations.

Why should Woodville have a Div 2 any time they want team just because they have a CABL team.

The Forestville Div 3-4 team beat the Woodville 2s 68-17.

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anon  
Years ago

717873 ans to Mavs U18G Injury to key player

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annon  
Years ago

Surely one girl is not the team?

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Anonymous  
Years ago

Its amazing how quickly some teams can fall right on their heads. Injurys and competing with club football dont help im sure, but some results were very surprising.
One thing that upset me over the weekend- heard of some betting going on between umpires as to the result of games... does anyone else think this is unprofessional?
As much as everyone is complaining about sturt getting some favourable calls, they do have some excellent players too. I know thats why i hate going up against them, not just because of the refs.

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Here are the points for the weekend. Reserves may be a little off as we are not aware which teams clubs nominated for points.

State Boys

Sturt 17
Norwood 8
West 5
Forestville 5
Woodville 3
Southern 3
Eastern 3

State Girls

Sturt 11
Eastern 10
Forestville 9
Norwood 7
West 4
South 1
Centrals 1

Overall State Champion Club

Sturt 28
Norwood 15
Forestville 14
Eastern 13
West 9
Southern 5
Centrals 1

As most people were saying the girls trophy was very close. Overall Sturt still very dominant. The main concern would be for North Adelaide, not a single team in finals or goingto the classics. WOW. Considering they were the last club to beat Sturt for the overall trophy in 2004, thats a huge drop.

Reserve Boys

Sturt 15
Norwood 13
Forestville 8
West 3
Limestone Coast 3
South 2

Reserves Girls

Sturt 12
Forestville 10
North 6
Southern 5
Norwood 4
West 3
Esatern 2
Magic 1

Reserves seems to have been dominated by the bigger clubs. Seems to say that size only really matters in reserves, but help a ltille in State.

For the weekend;

Sturt - as dominant as usual. Maybe there best in a while.
Norwood - the big improvers, back to a top 3.
Foretville - couple of disapointed teams, but overall still very strong, especially in the girls.
Eastern - great result, didnt quite get the girls trophy they so coverted.
West - look to be doing better in lower grades, will we see a resurgance?
Southern - Not too Bad, 14 Boys look very good, need more consistancy over the board.
Centrals - Would be happy to score a point.
South - Not doing so well in either State or Reserves.
North - couple of reserves finals, but nothing in State. Very poor, something needs to change.

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annon  
Years ago

How come no points for Southern in Girls state?

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Green 21  
Years ago

In the girls I think it should be Southern 2 instead of South 1.

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Sorry, my mistake.

Yes, Southern 2.

South 0

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Tiger Woodduck  
Years ago

Southern also should be 4 points in the Boys States.

Under 14 were 2nd and Under 18 were 4th.

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Sorry, same again.

Didn't do a really good job this time.

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annon  
Years ago

We forgive you...start again x

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Pimp Homieo  
Years ago

Woodville so irrelevant they don't even get a write up From the Stats Room? The Sturt v Woodville div 1 night should be interesting this week...

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Anon  
Years ago

Woodville under 12 boys div 1 runners up to Sturt. The Sturt boys won by 26 a class above, well done Sturt.

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Red 30  
Years ago

Wow 26 in a GF? Was that the biggest blow out of the finals day? I hear the 16 boys were close, were there any other tight ones? Or any big blowouts?

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Anonymous  
Years ago

Red, Eastern slipped up in the semis but had they made it they probably would have knocked off sturt. Eastern have been doing better than Woodville. At the end of the day its kids, and you never know what they will do on the day...

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Anonymous  
Years ago

Red 30 = sturt tosser

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Sturt Tosser  
Years ago

Think the U18 Girls final was won by more.

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Sturt Tosser  
Years ago

Oh and the 14 Boys.

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wax on wax off  
Years ago

this was the closest it has been for years -

sturt did not win all the boys grades (norwood not far off and west up there) and the girls could have easily gone to one of three clubs.

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Sturt Tosser  
Years ago

Boys Wasn't really close,

And in past years Sturt didn't win the girls, so they improved, with 3 teams in grand finals.

Sturt has not been this dominant for 5 or 6 years.

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Tiger Woodduck  
Years ago

Sturt Tosser - You can't be serious

You did not win Under 12 Girls, Under 14 Girls, Under 16 Girls or Under 16 Boys.

Only 4 out of 8.

Not so dominant!!

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wax on wax off  
Years ago

when i am talking about being close - it is not just sabre results -

talking about a variety of teams making semis or grand finals and some bombing out - no t particularly just the GF winner

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Sturt Tosser  
Years ago

We won as many GF's as everyone else put together.

Nearly scored more points than the 2 best next clubs.

Won all overall trophies (Sabre Slam)

Rreserves was close.

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Anonymous  
Years ago

Sturt tosser you inbred moron if you got a sabre slam you would have won the lot!! 4/8 isn't a slam

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Sturt Tosser  
Years ago

"Sabre Slam"

Boys State
Girls State
Overall State

Boys Reserves
Girls Reserves
Overall Reserves

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wtf???  
Years ago

What happened to North??? Were once feared, now no points in the state champs?

Are the same old chestnuts still running the place or something?

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Anonymous  
Years ago

Even the Lions got more points than those Rockets - major failure!

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Not suprised  
Years ago

Not suprised that Boti didnt write anything in the paper anything about Sturt's success.

Long time to hold a grudge.

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';'  
Years ago

The other reason is he kids aren't involved anymore. The sooner the advertiser gets some interested in basketball as a whole the better it will be in reporting for the sport in this state.

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Anonymous  
Years ago

agree

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Not suprised  
Years ago

He actually coached a team in the tournament.

And usualy puts something in the tiser. I would suggest that he didnt want to put something positive about Sturt in. Thats all.

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Anonymous  
Years ago

Thats right he got Teched when he girls were terrible and he didnt know how to coach out of it.

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Anon  
Years ago

funniest thing a Ref teched under 14 player for making a face - blantant disrespect - tough lesson to learn

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Anonymous  
Years ago

Maybe Basketball SA need to send out a Media Release once in a while if they expect the media to give them any attention?

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';'  
Years ago

I guess that wasn't the Under 14 boys GF as the Southgern boy slammed the ball on the floor and didn't get a tech.

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Anonymous  
Years ago

he got spoken to about it, thought the ref did the right thing in the situation, if he did it again then tech him

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Sturt Tosser  
Years ago

So Boti needs a press release to know about a tournament he is coaching in?

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pscw  
Years ago

Will any of the teams who won on the weekend (or those that didn't I guess!) have a chance of getting close to a medal at classics?

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.  
Years ago

haven't seen much of u12/14s but mavs in u16g look to be strong enough

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Anonymous  
Years ago

Sturt U14 Boys won Classics 2 years ago. So probably a chance.

U18 Girls did well at Nationals. Both Norwood and Sturt a chance.

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King Botti  
Years ago

Re that incident in the Sturt Southern U1G8 semi, What Botti got teched for when 20 points down late in the game is a Southern girl hit her head badly on the ground, a sturt player immediately went to her attention during the game, the sturt player dribbling the ball unguarded was also concerned and just let the ball go out of court as she went to assist, the umpire then stopped the game, Botti went off his nut as he wanted pocession, a truely low act, not even concerned for his player, he is a discrace to the game, the umpire was absolutely correct.

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Not Suprised  
Years ago

So Boti has too busy having a go at umpires about losing to Sturt, when the Sturt players were showing some consideration for his players, to write anything in the tiser about it?

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Anonymous  
Years ago

The sturt girl shouldnt have had to throw the ball out of court, the umpires should have stopped the game.

then it would have been sturts ball at the re start

however because she threw it out of court it is tigers ball.

if tigers wanted to throw it in to sturt and do the right thing then so be it

but technically Boti was right!!!!!

Wasnt at the game and dont really care but just thought i would put my two cents in

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Not Suprised  
Years ago

No one is saying Boti was wrong. More that he behaved like a Jack$#%

That he was more concerned with 1 posession in a 20 point game, from a well meaning ref and opposition player, rather than the welfare of his own injured player.

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Tiger Woodduck  
Years ago

King Botti

The only disgraceful act was from the Sturt girl who deliberately grabbed the Tigers girl arm and dragged her down causing the incident and concussion that kept her out of the next game.

Also is it a new Sturt tactic to have everyone talk and point across the keyway when the opposition are shooting foul shots? Just wondering as it happened constantly in this game.

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Not Suprised  
Years ago

Tiger,

Are your grapes a bit sour?

Hardly a deliberate act.

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Not Suprised  
Years ago

And Tiger,

Hardly anything wrong with communicating matchups during free throws.

Maybe you need to go play golf and get the gallary to quieten down.

Suck it up princes.

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Anonymous  
Years ago

not surprised

hopefully the tiger girls get payback and stomp all over the sturt people

see how you like that

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Tiger Woodduck  
Years ago

Not suprised

I saw the incident and it was deliberate.

Once again Sturt strecth the rules playing defense to the limit and get away with it yet any other side that did that gets crucified.

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sick2death  
Years ago

Everyone bitches and moans about Sturt doing this and doing that blah blah blah - no wonder everyone has an inferiority complex!

Stop whinging about the special treatment and worry about improving your kids and club!

And no I'm not from Sturt I'm just one of the coaches who respects thier success but doesn't fear them or think my team gets tortured by refs, administration or Osama bin Laden if my team looses to them!

No wonder you loose to them because in yours heads your inferior you weak minded people! Guess it's easier blaming the world rather than saying maybe I don't work my kids hard enough or teach my kids the right style of basketball!

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Anonymous  
Years ago

sick2death,
your post is simplistic. The posters are offering opinions on a sturt tradition of intimidating opposition players and in particular refs. There has been a long history of sturt girls coming through coached to push the boundaries of fair play and get away with it. Coaches and one in particular has a lot to answer for interms of abandoning fairplay in favour of dirty on court actions. In a nutshell many sturt girls receive instructions that only the decent girls don't obey.

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Not Suprised  
Years ago

Tiger,

Let me goet this straight. The refs dont call it a foul. Yet it was deliberate?

If those instructions are to play hard, to get up and in better players to stop them from catching the ball, and again the refs dont think it is a foul. Then surely that isnt unfair play.

And from what Ive seen, refs actually hate Sturt coaches. Not the other way around.

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annon  
Years ago

Whether the severe hit/foul against the Tiger girl was deliberate or accidential ( or a bit of both) she was hit hard and hit the ground hard ruling her out of the semis. BUT, Boti was rightfully angry that the referee did not stop the game while the girl was still laying on the court. The reason the Sturt girl threw the ball out of court WAS to stop the game...so a little kudos to her.
Boti got the tech foul and Surt got the throw in. Not a Sturt fan but to their credit all the Sturt girls made a point of going up upto the injured player after the game and shook her hand.
The referees really should have stopped the game before all this unfolded.
Not a great game, Sturt won by 15 (approx) in the end. Best way to deal with Sturt...beat them, not continually criticise them!!!!!

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Not Suprised  
Years ago

Boti was not angry at the ref for not stopping the game. The game only stops if the player is in danger of the play.

He was purely having a go because the ref did the right thing and gave the ball back to Sturt.

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fanofJoHill  
Years ago

People wouildn't hate Sturt if they were useless, you can pick and choose dubious incidents from any game, any team. Maybe we should be happy to have any South Aussies (no matter what club) who can match it with the Vics instead of bagging anyone who is successful.

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Dirty Sturty  
Years ago

Comm'n Fan. That would mean accepting that someone else is doing a good job and that you yourself are not. And that therefore clubs would need to self examine and make changes which are too scary in little old adelaide. Much easier to bash a tall poppy than make improvments in oneself.

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Anonymous  
Years ago

Interesting aside and not all Boti's fault, this is the 18W side that was at Forestville at 12's under Boti some have left since he left, I will only mention first names.

Steff now at Norwood
Taylor now at Sturt
Ashley now at Sturt
Genna now at Southern
Alex now at Southern
Jess now at Mavs
Zarli now at Norwood
Danita now at South

Big loss for 1 club 4 regular State players

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Anonymous  
Years ago

ANON- "No ref bashing please - told they get intimidated easily and dont like to be critised.Fouls counts arent good indicators - and ref call as best they see it. Cant play without them and no good comes of bagging.If you can do better then get a whistle otherwise get off their case as too many are giving up."

If refs get intimidated easily and dont like to be critisised maybe they should rethink what they are doing because you get that in every sport and you need to take it on the chin and get over it!!! If refs call as best as they can see they need to get some huge glasses coz that is rediculous!! There is only about 3 or 4 refs that are ok at their job and the rest are crap!! I think anyone can do better than those refs they are crap! It is actually good that they are giving up because that means less crap referees and we might get a chance of getting the better referees!!!! They do favour sturt, forestville and norwood, especially when you play at MARS!

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