Hopefully the dude can get his life back on track sooner rather than later.
I was about to post lucky it was just some broken windows at a cafe until I read that he had resisted arrest and assaulted one of the arresting police officers possibly breaking his jaw.
The guy must have some pretty major shit going on in his life to just flip the switch and go off the deep end like this. Hopefully he gets the help he needs and the police officer's jaw heals up quickly and he can get back to work without any lasting effects.
The NZNBL Southland Sharks former and current players don't have a very good track record off the court do they?
Lets hope some of the stupid inane ill informed posters here never gave to go through any personal issues. Lukes a great guy and clearly having difficulties. Support him here rather than start talking shit. This place is attracting more imbeciles every day unfortunately.
I think a lot of people on here would of had their own demons in the past and done things that are totally stupid. Not condoning what he did but it seems totally out of character for him. Let's hope he gets the help he needs and can put this in the past.
On a lighter note, suprised no one here has made a joke bout him learning thug tactics from his time in Perth lol
There was a religious based siege at the exact same location 6months ago where people were murdered. The idea it may be religion based is a very valid one. I dont think this is anything more than another fool caught up on ice or meth acting a fool. Luckily no one was serious hurt, could've easily thrown the rocks at people or run someone over. Maybe the people on here defending him as a nice guy, should get the off the net and actually call him if they know him and help!
of course it is all assumptions because we are not police dealing with the case lol. But you have to look at things realistically, why would you all of a sudden start to behave erratically and damage property, drive down the wrong side of the road then proceed to assault a police officer? you obviously are not sound of mind and must either have some serious issues going on at home or you have to be using some form of illicit substance.
Good to see CJ giving him a hand in tough times but...
CJ, 34 years old is not a kid.
The transition from pro basketball and celebrity status is proving to have a lot of impossible hurdles for some. Clubs need to look a little more at what their players are planning for life after BB. They never give it a glance.
Have some sympathy for the guy. Not condoning what he's done but a relationship breakup and losing his kid has affected him deeply. He gave plenty of hints that all wasn't well with some erratic social media activity recently but no one could have expected this. He IS a good guy and has never had any issues like this. Life events have caused something to go haywire and I hope he gets the help he needs. Also hope the cop that was injured makes a speedy recovery. Who knows what in his messed up head made the Lindt Café his outlet but there are no religious or other connotations. Just a guy going through a rough time
SEABL are having a week off. Most players have gone home. Not easy to prepare for afters. NBL is all time consuming for little pay for most players. One season should have told them it 'aint what you dream of or hope for. 'Aint gonna happen. Check out the number of guys who have had to give up studying altho they are supposed to be encouraged and allowed time off.
CBD Sydney Basketballer
I saw him earlier in the day (before he went on his crazed escapade) at the PCYC basketball in Sydney when I went down for my lunchtime shoot around.
Recognised him from when I played against him in the NBL in NZ.
Said hello and asked if he wanted to play one on one but he was zooted! Straight gone. He gave me thousand yard stare and said 'na bro' looking right through me with a lunatic smile on his face.
He had his car parked in the kids playground right next to the court playing the radio (could have put on a playlist at least) and was smoking mad ciggies.
I automatically thought:
A. This guy is not very friendly...
B. This guy is off the planet...
C. This guy is dangerous...
I firstly feel for the officer he injured but secondly for him too...
Clearly old mate didn't make provisions for life after basketball...
"Lets wait and see but mental illness looks unlikely and a cop out excuse. Drugs and family breakdown / unemployment appears the issue."
What are you basing that on? I've read the few articles and seen some pretty dark stuff from his instagram account. My first thought was its drugs or mental illness.
I don't know why people are tying this to the end of his career because he was not contracted anywhere between the middle of last year and the start of this year, and he didn't act like this.
"Mental illness dragged out by every two bit crim! Discredits the real suffers who aren't out assaulting police and damaging property!!"
Right, so you either have a mental illness, or you're a criminal, but it can't be both. Thanks Doc!
You know that not all mental illnesses are the same, and not everyone who shares the same illness with another person reacts the same or has the same issues with their illness?
So a guy who's had a stumble in life despite leading a pretty stable one for 34 years is a "2 bit crim"?
What he did was wrong, no question, and knowing Luke when he's in a more stable frame of mind he'll cop his punishment on the chin and hopefully get on with life.
Wasn't that long ago everyone was lighting candles and saying prayers for a couple of heroin trafficers but you lot want to string a bloke up for breaking a window and punching someone.
"just because the dude could ball"
Really? When I saw him in wildcats red he couldn't ball for shit.
No time at all for anyone who vandalises property and especially anyone who violently assaults another person. That's the lowest of the low. He's an embarrassment to basketball. I bet the NBL hates the fact that the only way it can make the news lately is when an ex player turns out to be a lowlife asshole.
You find it hilarious that someone was hospitalised from a violent assault, and I don't at all. You feel that me voicing disapproval of such disgusting behaviour is an over-reaction? I guess instead of saying that I should have just broken your jaw. A reaction that you would have found appropriate and funny.
Strange world you live in, obviously.
Via - http://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/news/nsw/aussie-basketball-star-luke-martin-charged-with-rock-attack-on-lindt-cafe-leading-police-on-chase/story-fni0cx12-1227382618882
"I was nervous. I'm at a bad time in my life. I just wanted to get away from it all," he replied according to the police facts sheet.
Asked why he punched the police constable, Martin allegedly said: “I punched him, straight right ... I wanted to knock his ass out.”
Martin’s Legal Aid lawyer said the star was only playing basketball for the Spartans on the weekend and was relying on his savings to support himself.
Was this a bizarre attempt to land himself him jail to avoid paying sydney rent and by the sounds of it child support?
I don't know the guy although its all very bizarre. There are a very serious string of charges here, and its probably lucky things weren't worse as he was driving the wrong way down a one way street running red lights.
"You find it hilarious..."
I actually find it sad that you think that someone with a clear mental imbalance is "scum of the earth." Have you ever dealt with someone with mental illness before? You know, like the guy who mutters to himself on the street corner all day? How do you react to him? While he is harmless, do you look at him in disgust too?
Why can't everyone take a deep breath for a minute and wait for all the facts to come out. Luckily lynch mobs died out years ago.
Yes the facts appear to be he threw rocks at the cafe and assaulted police for which he needs to be punished. He's got a week in gaol for that for starters. Anyone here spend time inside, it's not very nice as opposed to what a lot of people think.
If it's drugs, hopefully if he does community service it will prevent at least one other young person falling prey to whatever he might have been on.
If it's mental health it's like telling a baller to play with a broken leg, they need help and recovery.
And at the end of the day let's be grateful all he threw at the cafe was rocks, look at the result the last time a disturbed person went there.
"That telegraph article mentions no mental health issues what so ever."
As stated by the police prosecutor, who is not a medical professional.
Funny that you left out the part about the cop saying no drugs were involved either, when an hour ago you said thats what the issue looked like being.
Everyone must all be lined up for saint hood on this site. There are tons of people amongst us living with non diagnosed mental illnesses and then there are people who just made some very poor decisions when they were at rock bottom. Neither deserves to be cast aside or treated like shit for one mistake, if he was a repeat offender you could cast your judgement but by all accounts he has lived the past 34 years without issue and deserves to be treated as such.
Throwing rocks is for 12 year olds not at 34 lol.
In all seriousness following the NBL for so long I can honestly say I've never seen this guy smile, came across as the ultimate passive aggressive type. Did he finally explode because his career is over?
Also why play state league interstate at 30+ years of age if you aren't being paid enough to survive if at all, time to realise it's time to get a real job me thinks.
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What happened to the Perth Wildcats "character matrix" that Marvin always talks about players fitting whenever we sign someone? Looks like this was not only a muggish on-court signing, but off-court also. Will be interesting to see how the Wildcats bounce back with their recruiting campaign for this season given how they missed on most last year (Daniels, Ross, L. Martin).
You people are horrible horrible people,
Just read some off the post.
Luke do not take any off these post to heart.
Think, most of them writing the post are on crack!
Bunch of judgemental FKS!
Feel bad for you all... your life's must be that bad to
Have an opinion on another person like that.
My thread I started today regarding Luke Lindt Cafe Martin, for some reason got deleted.
This needs to be taken seriously - by whom I don't know.
4 years on and no improvement. He clearly needs help.
To put all this into context: In 2015, he was charged with assaulting two police officers, resisting arrest, intentionally destroying property and damaging police property.
Maybe this isn't basketball related but what about our duty of care as human beings? The signs are clearly there that he isn't well - what if he does something drastic again and hurts himself or others? Do we wait until it's too late?
Just last week, a Sydney man, Daniel King in his 30s, shot up 2 police stations and effectively ended his own life in the process. Must we wait until it gets to that?
Martin's IG handle is lmartin_81. He has it set to private but essentially, every second day, when he's "hey world I want attention" mode, he sets it to public.
12 of his 267 followers are ex NBL players.
It doesn't take a Masters Degree in Clinical Psychology to decipher his rants or to conclude that he's in dire need of assistance.
He basically oscillates between manic and depressed as below:
-100 posts per day
-Reminiscing about how "awesome" a basketball prospect he was. Claims such as "LA Clippers were interested in me in '07 but I wasn't feeling it"; "Scouts said I was basically TJ Ford without the vertical"; claims he's developing an app with Huawei which will change the world; claims he's training as a boxer and will qualify for the 2020 Olympics (has never boxed at any level; 2020 team has been picked).
-Even calls out ex NBL players "dissing" them and their lack of game. Notably to Patty Mills just pre World Cup, a photo of them in the NBL "St Mary's, please. You ain't got no handle. Tried to check me at the cage and I gave you 8 in 8 minutes. St Mary's pfft, I almost went to Georgetown".
-100 posts per day
-of his son who he has no access to see
-playing pokies; snapshot of his bank balance depicting $1.77, tagging NBL players asking for money
-videos of him self starkers in presumably his parent's house, punching walls
-multiple "call outs" to Larry Kestelman, calling him a homophobic slur repeatedly asking to be "unblocked from the NBL page"
June 2019, states he had an "incident" at a pub where he was "tackled on concrete WWE style by a 110kg security guard" whilst simply "minding my own business". Follows this up with 40-50 posts of him out and about his local area with a bandage around his head and/or bleeding profusely. Tags various media outlets saying "can't someone help me, I can't even get a ride home, my mum's at work".
Goes on to post text messages from police asking that he drop in at the station, captions it "why would I bother" etc and justifies his hitting a cop in 2015, "bruh I didn't even hit you full tilt and I broke your jaw".
Sidenote: I saw this coming - I am based not far from this dude's local and I either see him around the area or hear from others who know who he is. I flagged his social media presence and my concerns, some 2 months before the above pub incident to:
Police - "what do you want us to do, come around his house and say don't post crazy stuff? Get out of here kid".
NBL/current players/past teams he's played for - to my knowledge they "tried" to offer assistance but he's refused.
One of his best postings, justifying why he refuses medication is..."acne is a side effect of mental health meds. I'm not tryna have no acne".
Classy guy obviously but the fact remains he needs help and shouldn't be allowed to be a pest and/or a very likely threat to harm himself or others.
I understand the league owes him nothing - but seriously, if he does do the unthinkable, how would anyone justify doing nothing given that the signs are clearly there...
At first I held strong concerns for this guy's well being, and in some ways I still do, but given how it seems like he's such a massive pain, my tolerance has decreased. But why should the general public or god forbid a police officer potentially be injured if this dude's head isn't on straight?
I get this isn't actually NBL related. But the league is thriving in almost every aspect. Would be nice to hear a good outcome to this as well.
That's very sad to read. I remember him making the news for breaking that policeman's jaw but he seems in dire straits now. As he's not taking his meds a friend or family member needs to take him to the hospital where they will force him to take them and likely keep him under supervision for awhile.
Yeah that won't happen.
I've kept tabs the past 4 years (was always a fan of his game) and he seems unbearable to help. There's only so much one human can do if someone flat out refuses to take steps towards a better life.
I don't have the answers - I just want to see the guy make some semblance of improvement and live life. At 38, there's plenty of actual living still to do.
When "settled" he'll get a job, then weeks later he's thrashing his employer/childhood friend who's employed his problematic self "bruh, I can't sell cakes for you no more, you only pay $25 per hour". Then rants about how he's still better than "most backup PG's in the weak NBL right now".
Man even if he was my flesh and blood, I'd find him so irritating.
I really don't care what he does with himself per se, but I have mates who work security, training partners in the police force, a general concern for the public. I really, really don't another massive meltdown where this guy might hurt someone (which to me, is a highly probable scenario).
Like, posts where he's bashing a heavy bag at a generic "lifestyle" gym. Doing comical "Muhammad Ali" routines while confused onlookers gawk at his Allan from Hangover self.
Caption: 2020 Tokyo, I'm coming to get me some sushi. I been taking hits from 7 footers all my career. I just badly want to punch someone that weights 74 kilos, etc etc. It's all the hall marks of a potentially violent person likely to cause some sort of public conflict.
It's funny how you can read into things. 2010, the Kings trained with Garth Wood, and this guy was so amped. Posted at 2AM on FB something like "just sparred Garth Wood, might go to the Cross, test my s*** out".
As I said, just a comprehensively classy guy.
There's only so much one human can do if someone flat out refuses to take steps towards a better life.
Not necessarily but if he's keeping out of trouble he will likely remain under the radar but if he does something silly again there are processes in place to keep people off the streets who are a danger to themselves or the public in general.
I remember the incident of him throwing rocks through the windows of the Lindt Cafe that had the terrorism incident if that wasn't a cry for help I don't know what is.
I really want Luke to recover and get back to some semblance of a balanced lifestyle. The guy was servicable in the NBL at least as a 6th Man, it is sad to see he couldn't use his basketball career as a launchpad to something better or be a stabilising influence.
Very sad to read.
Don't know the guy, but could be a combination of mental health issues and/or drugs. Sadly the two are often intertwined.
Use of some drugs can cause or exacerbate mental health issues, but also many people with those issue turn to illicit drugs to self-medicate.
Being Bipolar I can relate to many of those symptoms described. Prescribed drugs only do a partial job, and some people turn to other drugs in hopes of filling the gap.
The biggest issue is that being inside the problem looking out, a sufferer may not see their behaviour as abnormal. Then the illicit drugs simply make the problem worse.
I hope this didn't come off as a pick on him thread.
Mental health awareness is a passion of mine.
I’m a supporter of Royce White’s vocal presence in the US regarding such. His #bewell movement has some traction.
I’m just wondering - with all the networks open to a long time NBL athlete, why is there no designed "pathway" or “transition to retirement” sort of program for these guys?
Simple stuff, just educate them on basic shit like saving your earnings, looking into post basketball careers etc.
You see someone like Damian Martin who’s still playing at a high level, but is already entering into a career like real estate.
This is the problem with all this Centre of Excellence, TAP and other super athlete programs. It isolates them from the general population at such a young age, so a few get disillusioned. Visions of grandeur if you will.
For every very wealthy, marquee talent, there’s 500 journeymen who, whilst seeming “living the dream” of playing pro hoops, realistically in th grand scheme of life, earn fuck all to fall back on.
Would be great to see the NBL, and guys with the background to help (like Greg Hire) thoroughly address this.
Surely Martin isn’t alone. Wortho spoke publicly about post retirement mental health blues, so did Loggins.
It should be news worthy regardless of the person being a hall of famer, a credentialled Boomer or a journey man.
This is something that the league needs, but to put it into perspective, something that even the AFL has only recently (10-15 years) started to take seriously and get right.
You'd like to see Jacob and the PA work with the league to put some measures in place to work with these guys while they're still in the league.
Not sure what they can do for guys who are already out of the system though. Hope Luke finds the help he needs.
This case would be beyond the sort of system the NBLPA (or whatever it's called now) might be expected to introduce. Maybe they could recognise and refer him to stronger support services, but I dare say his family and friends would have already done that.
I deleted the previous topic this week because it's really unlikely to help as a thread attracting full attention. Too close to gossip and gawking. Anyone in a position to help him is not here.
I imagine he's not provably dangerous enough to coerce into full-time support, but not self-aware enough to decide for himself. Anyone helping informally would be taking on a lot of risk themselves with no guarantee of success.
Your board your rules I get that - but it's that sweep the rug, "out of sight out of mind" mentality that allows mental health to stay taboo and an ever growing elephant in the room.
I repeat, 4 years ago, he threw rocks at a Cafe that wasn't long ago the site of a terrorist attack; he egged a police car, admitted to assaulting a police officer while resisting arrest, drove his vehicle across a busy Sydney CBD street the wrong way, assaulted another police office while in custody and basically showed no real remorse or understanding of the magnitude of his actions.
4 years on, he's abusing the league's head honcho with homophobic slurs, justifying his actions of 4 years ago, making public written threats to security guards, current and former players and making statements like "I just want to legally punch someone my own weight".
His account of his June 2019 bar incident is that he approached a "Chinese man who I thought I knew because they all look alike" then he was, in his own mind "unfairly" tackled by a security guard on concrete for "doing nothing".
Head wounds, and dozens of posts of him in hospital with all the gore of his injuries. Fleets between woe is me "why did this happen to me" and aggression "effing security guard, don't you know I'm loco, I'll come back and get you" etc.
I'm unsure what more he needs to do for anyone to realise that he IS dangerous - to himself and to those who may come across him.
Please google Daniel King who died last week in Sydney also. The signs are similar
-lack of zest for life
-personal drama relating to baby mamas
-and most scary, a very Bipolary "I want to go out with a bang" type delusion.
He wants attention - and he'll get it by increasing the crazy.
But hey, if no one wants to recognise that, suit yourself. Let's just wait for the news reports when he finally snaps I guess.
I mean, these $60K p.a. cops and $30 p.h. security guards should be able to handle a 5'11, 75 kg ex point guard anyway right?
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