Excuse my ignorance ! Is Ray Borner coaching at Ballarat ? with Rob Baker

What are they thinking with Anstey? Wow

Yes these coaches do. Also find many of those coaches do well at recruiting from these teams for there local sides as well.

Actually, they do a good job of offering state positions for players who come too their club teams.

Simon yes, current MU assistant

Where is Ray Borner coaching ?

How can BV possibly appoint coaches with kids in that age group?

Ridiculous!!! They must think this is domestic ball LOL

Vic Basketball seems to be lurching from failure to failure atm.

Interesting to see that coaches in the National Program aren't good enough to coach Vic Country.

Goodman !!!

What a load of crap

Perry is arguably the most decorated and successful men's coach in the last 4 years in Melbourne who put their hand up. And his kid is a gun. He's also been involved in NITP for just as many years. A great selection as coach. So to answer your question on how they could appoint him... He applied

It is ridiculous that he was appointed. By all reports he is a great bloke, and a really good coach, but that is irrelevant because there is a conflict of interest. If he wants to coach in the state system, that is GREAT, but he can coach 16s or 20s.

The SA 20s coach - probably the best coach in juniors SA - will undoubtably not be reappointed as his son is an U20 this year, and he will probably be in their best 3 players!

ICYMI, what you say is generally correct, that coaches are generally harder on their own kids, but that isn't the question here, the question is about the conflict at the selection table. He can't be harder on his kid if his kid isn't selected in the team. And the conflict clearly comes when he selects, just like it comes when one coach selects from within his own club.

Plenty of instances over the years of selections that are very questionable. Why put someone in that position in the first place? I don't blame the coach, I blame BV for making the appointment.

Then he should not have applied .... Simple really , but DP will be just fine and he will cope with all the flack he knows he's bound to receive

HO's got it nailed, coach should not have applied, and BV should not have made the appointment. It's a train wreck looking for a date.

With the Perry thing. It comes back to motivation for doing it. If he wants to coach a state team then that's great, coach a state team. If he wants to coach his kid's state team then no way should he be appointed.

Clearly the motivation here is that he wants to coach his kid's state team.

Has he coached a state team before? Why not? Why is he doing it just now that his kid in the age group? What's his motivation?

It really is a no brainer if he is wants to coach a state TEAM then give him another team or get him assisting a younger coach they're bringing through.

Maybe Perry is sick of sitting on the sidelines watching the Vics lose and he thinks he can do a better job with this group. Possibly not about coaching his own kid at all. He'd have watched this group grow up since u/12's, it's likely that he knows these kids better than anyone else, and that combined with his coaching ability makes him a solid choice. Here's hoping he puts the Vics back on top!

Goodman is too ingrained in metro he's not a country coach regardless of where he is/was based that's the most likely thing

So what's the deal with Trevor at Werribee? Was he stiff to be overlooked for the State Program?

Perry had applied in the past and was knocked back

Can't always measure a point guard by stats

Must be #008. Wouldn't have anything to do with his dad being the coach

Spare a thought for the kid guys. No need to be analysing his game on a forum.

Not a starter on the team but managed 11 ast.. Looks pretty expressive to me

RE: #546025

Spot on... It's all about himself it is for Trevor...

His game was only brought into the topic when it was stated that he was a "guarantee" to make the team regardless of the coach and he was a "gun". You are right though it shouldn't be analysed here, BUT it appears neither BV or his new coach are that concerned, as they both must have known this would come up once the appointment was announced!

RE #546025

I struggle to comprehend why Trevor likes to claim that 'he made' several Aussie born players including one NBAer when they were in fact nurtured and developed well and truly before he step foot onto our shores... If he is supposedly a good Coach why would he not be still in the State program?

No one guaranteed he would make the team and their positive personal opinion about his intangibles are warranted. Anyone who watched at nationals the past two years would see his importance in both squads. Not everyone has to be kyrie Irving to be valuable to a team. And averaging 11 assists on what's considered a state all star team is a monumental feat especially in today's game.

Mate he averaged 2.11 assists.

Get a clue.

902, the success of a state group has very little to do with the state coach. It is more about the work done at club level and overall strength of the age group. If DP thinks he can make a difference then he really has little clue. Vic need to get their High Performance program and club issues in order to develop the talent to win championships.

If he isn't there because of his son, then it is simple coach one of the other age groups on the boys or girls side of the program. If he won't do this, why?

Anyone who says the state coach has little impact has zero credibility.

Coaches in state programs really rate themselves. It is about the players and THEIR talent, not about YOUR x's and o's or genius subs! Why is it some coaches do so well one year then tank in other years? Why, in the past, did so many poor Vic coaches do well with amazingly talented teams? The Vic robot model created prima donna coaches where they thought their robotic ways were bringing success. It was talent that bought success, all the talent did was encourage poor development and poor junior coaching.

Don't rate your x's and o's above player and talent development. THAT my friends is where Vic programs are falling down now. It won't get better until the clubs there sort themselves out which they are slowly beginning to do so.

If DP wants to contribute he can contribute anywhere, but lets wait and see what happens with this group - I can tell you now, but lets just revisit this when it all fails - but then it will be the player's fault according to the pundits.

Unbelievable the a amount of crap dished up about former coaches Vic here and robotic ways. Anyone think the free flowing boomers style was very sexy last week ?

Walk in their shoes for a campaign and see how much support there is, how much you have to prepare players to play a week of tournament play all the while being critics by " Wanna be"s who have their heads up young players backsides fuelling dick head parents about how good their kids are and how the " Wanba be"s will get them a college gig .......

Throw out the balls, let the " Talent " play and you go coach it

Anon #526 I hope you aren't a coach cause you can't string 3 words together. Any chance we could see a translation into English?

What does 'Wanba be"s' actually mean?

As for Trevor brunette. He is doing to Dandenong what he did at Werribee. He has taken three girls that pay him to train them into 1st teams 2 bottom age. How many kids will he get in to teams cause he trains them. State team last year a prime example.

State Tryouts seem to be late this year?

Now I know why kids moved from Werribee to Dandenong. I knew there must be an agenda.

dandenongs loss

Trevor has no credibility. He was an assistant in USA and has won nothing here. And now sacked from Werribee and BV. He will blame but take no responsibility

Personally I don't like a guy being spoken about on this forum but I think names should be left out if negative. He has a family and nothing to be gained from venting here