Tizzle30
Years ago
Just heard that Sa district comp is now going untimed.
Does anyone know anything more about this?
If this is a permanent change I honestly can't see the difference between social and district ball except for the fact social the fees are 1/10 of the price and game fee is less.
Someone please shed some light on this.
Tizzle30
Years ago
Summer + winter or only summer?
Can't see teams sticking around below div 3 if it stays this way.
Also can see clubs folding or going into serious debt
Baller#3
Years ago
Considering this was about the only reason to play the lower divisions...
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Years ago
i have no problem with untimed - it will free courts up for an extra game, prices should come down a fraction and no pressure for teams to find an experienced timer. Lot of lower div teams only have 6 sometimes as well.
a few of the more serious lower div teams with 9 players etc may find this bad but i don't think it will upset the majority. I am sure if enough complain it will be returned.
Tizzle nine of what you said is true.
Going untimed for grades which are social in a club uniform is not going to be the end of the world as you suggest.
Don't like it. Don't play.
Tizzle30
Years ago
^^^^
Not going to play if it's untimed.
I play because it's organized, club format, properly timed, properly run games.
I also pay good money for all of these things. Or I could pull my team, pay $50 registration for a social comp where we only have to drive 5 minutes from home, still use the uniforms we bought through the club, and pay less per game.
It doesn't make any sense in my eyes.
Tizzle what venue are you paying $50 to play social and less per game? Not a BSA venue.
And I'm sure your Club would not approve of you wearing their uniform in a social competition when you're pulling out of the Club.
Lastly you need to understand that you aren't elite if you're playing in the divisions that are changing. Just like only Div 1 in juniors play fully timed.
what a joke! what's the point of playing district then, its just social but costs a lot more. The skills for div 3 & down are not much different to a grade social.
It's still more court time and for the same or less cost as BSA social.
And most A Grade social is better than Div 4 and below District.
?
Years ago
you have the club affiliation / structure / team placement network, the club should offer some sort of structured training and you are likely to play another team in uniform not NBA store outfits. If you can not tell the difference......
Tizzle the fees you pay are to be a part of a club. A club, with a premier league that you are affiliated with via your membership to that club. Maybe a club that you have been a part for years, playing junior basketball.
You pay to have levels you can climb and the opportunity to play and develop.
The games are paid for by entry fee. Hopefully with this change that may come down a little bit, or not go up so quicky.
Have some pride in your club, feel an affiliation to it, or go play social hoops cause if you don't understand any of this, you are correct. In my opinion you will get better value social ball.
XY
Years ago
I assume that District clubs still train? My social club did that once, 20 years ago. You probably have a coach too.
In your position, I am sure I would be displeased with the change too, but I am guessing you will keep playing District anyway.
Summer district costs $400 +
Social costs $200
I know which one I would choose if the clock is not stopped.
?
Years ago
where you paying 400 for summer costs for below div 3 seniors ?
most clubs I know have staggered fees for reduced trainings / if they train at all
what social comp are you playing in where a player or even a team has to pay $200 a season!?
XY
Years ago
$10 per dame, 20 games plus mom fee. Easily $200 a season.
The question has to be asked is who's bright idea was this? Did they go to the clubs for approval or feedback? I used to feel sorry for bsa but this and other decisions they've made that's affected me has me anti bsa now.
This can't but hurt the sport even just based on the comments here. Instead of this piss weak stuff go and build some new stadiums for God's sake, instead if there's a profit that's going to be made from this will go to the bank account and not back into the sport.
Can't wait for the main clubs to break away and form the rebel alliance and destroy the death star that is bsa.
Dazz
Years ago
Untimed?
So what, you just keep playing till everyone has had enough?
Do they bother keeping score?
T83
Years ago
•Squads with 8-9-10 players on rotation will suffer.
•Actual game time played would be 15-20 minutes again depending on fouls.
•Nobody wants to drive crosstown to play reduced minutes.
•The difference between District and Social will be minimal, what's different? 4x10 as to 2x20? Last 3 minutes timed for District.
•You're paying fees, uniforms, petrol (crosstown driving) and games to play the same minutes as you would on Social.
What's the point?
This decision by BasketballSA will deter players from joining/staying with clubs as the gap between Social and District is going to be pretty much nothing apart from larger $$'s for District. It's counterproductive to the sport and will hurt the clubs bottom lines.
Top work BSA, pfft.
Perfect call T83. For anyone that says above that it's stupid to think teams will drop off or players will become disinterested, everyone I know personally in div 4,5,6 are very angry and a move to social for some players or teams won't be a surprise.
Yep fantastic news with the phase/division summer crap gone, only to be replaced by this ridiculous decision. I'm hoping this is only a summer trial. It's funny how games start next week and I have talked to many players from different teams that had no idea about this with not a single positive comment. I can almost guarantee too that the cost of playing will come down either.
maybe
Years ago
maybe thats what BSA want?
dont BSA still make money off most social comps in Adelaide? social is probably less investment on their behalf but more or equal profit
smart business sense, just not good for basketball in the state
T83
Years ago
For me, I play both Social and District, my immediate thought is; District, why invest 2-3 times more money and travel across town to play the same or less minutes than Social? It doesn't make sense.
I can get the same minutes and same rushed game at my local Stadium, which is 5 minutes from my house.
BSA only care about profits, they couldn't care less about actual basketball or the people who love it.
tubbynezbit
Years ago
This is a joke, I would rather pay more per game for a full timed game then drop down to untimed games.
I live around Golden Grove, I am driving to Marion, M-Vale etc. for quality basketball. I could play social at the rec center if i wanted too but i dont want that crap.
What angers me the most is div 3 is still timed? Why should i be punished by what division i play in.
BSA should have come out with a statement or something to say why they have made this change.
They will lose teams easily, the money they make in time saving they will lose in fees etc.
T83
Years ago
Who would be interested in operating a full competition boycott? Div's 4-6, every team refuse to play until it's rectified?
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Years ago
#901 - Dazz - I think that all went over their heads. ROFL
I heard that all but 2 clubs have talked about breaking away, the only leverage basa have is their tin sheds. Once a couple of the southern clubs can arrange something then it wouldn't surprise me with so many unhappy people out there.
So they run untimed to free up courts? FOR WHO is the question, theres not a mass influx of senior teams so what are they freeing up courts for, what nights are they run... Same nights as social yeah?
T83
Years ago
Player Imposed Lockout
https://www.facebook.com/events/1647095425552274/
Tubbynezbit
Years ago
Can we go to Basketball Australia? Do they have any involvement?
How is this revolution going? Any onformation on how many teams have agreed to forfeit? has the Presidents association spoken out?
The BSA AGM is upcoming, if this is how the current commitee operate perhaps we need to let the council members know our displeasure....
http://www.basketballsa.com.au/index.php?id=62&tx_ttnews[tt_news]=1114&tx_ttnews[backPid]=1&cHash=3922e7bd51
Viva la revolution
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