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Two years ago

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Conklin charged with striking

http://www.sportsfan.com.au/conklin-charged-for-breaking-martins-jaw/tabid/91/newsid/179903/default.aspx

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WNBL fan
Two years ago
23:56 5 Nov 15

Reply #561657

re: Conklin charged with striking

from that second angle from the video it looks like the elbow could have been held very stiff but not actually traveling directly into Martins face, just traveling down as Martin came into it.

If Conklin had been elbows "up" and reverse pivoting, thus traveling the elbow directly into martins face it would be more obviously an unintentional blow ( and a really really heavier one) that could also have seen more clearly to be unintentional as there would have been no sight line from Conklin to Martin from Conklin's viewpoint.

Cant even see clearly in Slow mo if Conklin had any vision on Martin's path towards him, It does seem strange that there could be a broken jaw, and Conklin has not damaged his arm/elbow as well.

Its impossible to know what Conklin was thinking, he could well have thought initially that Martin was not really heavily hit, and that staying around was just going to give one of the more fiery Perth players a chance to start a ruckus.

It seems a real disaster, Martin being the Perth guy getting the worst of it , and Conklin looking more like a cross between Grant Kruger and Redhauge.

Its the threats from the coach that worry me.


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Anonymous
Two years ago
00:00 6 Nov 15

Reply #561658

re: Conklin charged with striking

I think Conklin was thinking i just hacked a heap and they finally called a damn foul... The whole thing is being so over blown because of the injury to Martin. These elbows connect cllllllll the time, just never the nasty result. Over hyped issue. Sure Marvin has pushed the NBL to take this further.


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Anonymous
Two years ago
00:06 6 Nov 15

Reply #561660

re: Conklin charged with striking

Still nothing on the NBL website. What a joke if true.


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LV
Two years ago
00:16 6 Nov 15

Reply #561665

re: Conklin charged with striking

After the Childress precedent it would be completely inconsistent to suspend Conklin.


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Anonymous
Two years ago
00:19 6 Nov 15

Reply #561667

re: Conklin charged with striking

No way he gets suspended, will be too many reasons for fans to tune in if he plays. NBL needs this attention, sports fans love this sort of stuff as crazy as it is. Just the way it goes.


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Perth fan
Two years ago
00:40 6 Nov 15

Reply #561673

re: Conklin charged with striking

I would be surprised if he gets found guilty. Accidental act with Damo in wrong place at wrong time. Brian and rest of league should be taking note though of high elbows and more importantly needs to be monitored better by referees. Like the elbow foul called on Jervis last week during hawks game after he got offensive rebound. Although at the time I thought the call was shite, watching it on tv later agreed with the call.

I do believe however that Gleeson's comments should be cited and sanctioned. Make him miss a game! We might actually then beat the crocs! Lol


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Luuuc
Two years ago
00:45 6 Nov 15

Reply #561675

re: Conklin charged with striking

For an incident like that I think it's difficult to prove or disprove intent.
If they decide there was any intent in it then he'll be missing a lot of games, but even if there was actually intent on Conklin's part, I don't see how it can be demonstrated by that video evidence.
There's nothing there I can point to. And the people that have been claiming it was "clearly" intentional are still et to come up with anything I consider convincing.


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Anonymous
Two years ago
00:51 6 Nov 15

Reply #561678

re: Conklin charged with striking

Conklin is actually pushed into the collision, he is off balance. Totally nothing in it from a reporting point of view. Just a unfortunate injury.

It is also one reason why in the NBA you can just blink at someone to get a foul in the last 30 secs if the ref's think you want to stop the clock.

In the NBL the refs tend to let the player get the crap hacked out of them before a foul is called. It can make the game more exciting as there is more of a chance to get a steal but makes it more likely for collision injuries to occur.


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maxymoo
Two years ago
02:34 6 Nov 15

Reply #561685

re: Conklin charged with striking

He'll get a holiday on the basis that Martin was so injured.

I'm a Cats fan and it is reckless rather than deliberate.

Gleeson should STFU too


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Anonymous
Two years ago
03:48 6 Nov 15

Reply #561688

re: Conklin charged with striking

You guys are blind if you don't think that was deliberate. If Nbl is legit he will get 6 weeks holiday. Conklin needs to control his anger and frustration. Give him six weeks of anger management.


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Dazz
Two years ago
05:13 6 Nov 15

Reply #561689

re: Conklin charged with striking

It's going to depend on exactly what is meant by "striking." IN the AFL (and other sports) contact can be graded my severity and level of intent.
I don't think, on available evidence, they could find him guilty of intentionally striking, but "reckless" or "negligent" contact absolutely possible.


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Anonymous
Two years ago
08:08 6 Nov 15

Reply #561697

re: Conklin charged with striking

Childress received a one game suspension with one-game suspended if he re-offended last season.

The result of the Conklin incident was a lot worse although Childress intentionally set out to cause harm and made world wide headlines which this hasn't.

Hopefully a decent fine for rough conduct and a suspended sentence and we can enjoy the game tonight.


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Thunder Jam
Two years ago
08:40 6 Nov 15

Reply #561700

re: Conklin charged with striking

But when U'U gets ejected for the WWE takedown of Torrey Craig it's just tough finals basketball from Gleeson. WAYNE KERR!


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Anonymous
Two years ago
08:46 6 Nov 15

Reply #561703

re: Conklin charged with striking

You're joking, he is being charged for that?! Hire in his attempt to hack, steal, be a pest or whatever he was trying to do got Conklins arm up high and then as Conklin moves away from that and his elbow comes down Martin runs through getting collected.

I don't think Conklin realized what happened at the time as he walked off but if he didn't go back to check on Martin that's pretty poor.

I don't even like Conklin but that was unintentional.


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AngusH
Two years ago
09:01 6 Nov 15

Reply #561708

re: Conklin charged with striking

Does anyone outside of Perth and their fanbase think it was intentional?


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NBL #1 Fan
Two years ago
09:12 6 Nov 15

Reply #561712

re: Conklin charged with striking

On purpose. He saw Martin coming so moved in his path enough to make contact. He knew he hit him hard, that's why he didn't look back.

I guess Hire wasn't happy because Conklin looked at his bench then they all smiled.


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Anonymous
Two years ago
09:40 6 Nov 15

Reply #561714

re: Conklin charged with striking

I wonder if the speed Martin was running makes a contribution to his injuries?

I think Conklin is not guilty and I'm a Crocs fan, BUT, I applaud the NBL for at least looking like they have the best interests of player safety on their mind. It was a hit on the head and he looked like he was concussed a little, so it is best to err on the side of caution.

I'm sure Jacob Holmes would be happy that the NBL are considering player safety.

You thoughts?


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Anonymous
Two years ago
09:55 6 Nov 15

Reply #561720

re: Conklin charged with striking

What a shame the NBLPA haven't come out in support of Marto and the NBL.


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Anonymous
Two years ago
10:06 6 Nov 15

Reply #561727

re: Conklin charged with striking

If Martin didn't get hurt it wouldn't have even attracted any attention at all


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Supernintendo Chalmers
Two years ago
10:08 6 Nov 15

Reply #561730

re: Conklin charged with striking

Thats right. Isn't it important for the league to be looking at incidents that result in serious injuries?


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Anonymous
Two years ago
10:14 6 Nov 15

Reply #561737

re: Conklin charged with striking

If it was "intentional" why didn't the Perth players fire up?

Unfortunately, wrong place wrong time for Damo.

As an Adelaide fan I despise the Wildcats, but admire and respect Martin. Redhage on the other hand........wish he got KO'd


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Supernintendo Chalmers
Two years ago
10:19 6 Nov 15

Reply #561745

re: Conklin charged with striking

"Redhage on the other hand........wish he got KO'd"

Wow!


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Anonymous
Two years ago
10:30 6 Nov 15

Reply #561750

re: Conklin charged with striking

Redhage is a total jerk that is bad for the game but i was upset to see him go down that game in Adelaide. So that anon doest speak for all of us. Cats fans very quiet on the U'u comparison, how unusual.


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Supernintendo Chalmers
Two years ago
10:32 6 Nov 15

Reply #561753

re: Conklin charged with striking

Because not much more needs to be said about U'u. We agree that it was an unsportsmanlike and reckless act and if he'd been punished, we'd accept it.

We wouldn't waste time saying "but Craig did something to him 14 minutes earlier so he was just retaliating"


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sagemania
Two years ago
10:33 6 Nov 15

Reply #561754

re: Conklin charged with striking

Andrew Gaze demanding Conk gets 6 weeks. That is a bit to over the top.


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Supernintendo Chalmers
Two years ago
10:35 6 Nov 15

Reply #561756

re: Conklin charged with striking

Thats almost shutting him down for a year. Seems like thats his go-to comment.


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Train
Two years ago
10:37 6 Nov 15

Reply #561757

re: Conklin charged with striking

"Redhage on the other hand........wish he got KO'd"

Wow indeed. What a poor excuse for a human you are #737. Your probably one of these people that cheered when he almost ended his career with the dislocated hip injury. Your a disgrace to the 36ers fan base.


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you must be joking
Two years ago
10:41 6 Nov 15

Reply #561760

re: Conklin charged with striking

it was a total accident. Conklin put off balance by a Perth player, and turned into Damo coming from behind for the steal.

Unfortunate , YES, deliberate NO.


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Anonymous
Two years ago
11:04 6 Nov 15

Reply #561765

re: Conklin charged with striking

"Does anyone outside of Perth and their fanbase think it was intentional?"

Yes, and I would be giving him a fair bit more than 6 weeks too.


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Anonymous
Two years ago
12:20 6 Nov 15

Reply #561796

re: Conklin charged with striking

I think the fact that there are a fair few people falling on either side of the "intentional" question means that the tribunal would be hard pressed to find him guilty of doing it intentionally. But, the AFL can impose penalties for "reckless". Which personally, I think he should be hit with. But I don't know whether the NBL has such rules.


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Anonymous5
Two years ago
12:32 6 Nov 15

Reply #561800

re: Conklin charged with striking

It looked pretty deliberate to me. Deliberate or not, however, there was too much force involved and the action was reckless and negligent. Conklin should be punished on those grounds at least.

As for Gleeson, he spoke in the heat of the moment and was obviously upset, but there is no place in basketball for veiled threats to other teams/players. I'm sure he has realised this by now and regrets his words.


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paul
Two years ago
12:45 6 Nov 15

Reply #561801

re: Conklin charged with striking

The fact they've charged him with striking suggests they'll have to prove it was intentional. Given the accused and the victim both say it wasn't, and the video evidence is inconclusive, that's going to be hard to do.


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Anonymous
Two years ago
12:48 6 Nov 15

Reply #561802

re: Conklin charged with striking

hahaha train shed a tear mate. Go watch the Lightning


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Supernintendo Chalmers
Two years ago
12:48 6 Nov 15

Reply #561803

re: Conklin charged with striking

Can they downgrade/amend the charge during the hearing? I think they have done that before but obviously applied a lesser penalty.

Do they even have a charge for reckless striking etc?


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Smith
Two years ago
12:59 6 Nov 15

Reply #561804

re: Conklin charged with striking

Did Gaze really come out and say he should get six weeks?


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Luuuc
Two years ago
13:22 6 Nov 15

Reply #561810

re: Conklin charged with striking

According to this article in The West, yes, he did
https://au.news.yahoo.com/thewest/a/30015373/hostile-arena-awaits-crocs/

Gazey, Turn it up!


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Anonymous
Two years ago
13:23 6 Nov 15

Reply #561811

re: Conklin charged with striking

Gaze is becoming the Australian version of Skip Bayless with every basketball opinion he gives.


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Luuuc
Two years ago
13:24 6 Nov 15

Reply #561812

re: Conklin charged with striking

He does seem to have lost the plot when it comes to the NBL, yeah


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Train
Two years ago
15:10 6 Nov 15

Reply #561845

re: Conklin charged with striking

The way i see it if i get drunk and drive my car and hit someone in the process injuring them then I'm accountable for my actions. The defense of "I didn't mean to hurt anyone it was an accident" would be thrown out of the court in a jiffy.

If Conklin is deemed to be flailing his elbows and arms around then he needs to be accountable for the damage that that has occurred no matter what his intentions were.

I'm with Gaze on this one, "IF" hes found guilty hit him hard. If he's not guilty then so be it, but you cant find a guy guilty of breaking a guys jaw then let him off with a one game ban for breaking someones jaw.


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Anonymous
Two years ago
15:29 6 Nov 15

Reply #561848

re: Conklin charged with striking

Thanks Train aka Stephen A Smith.


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paul
Two years ago
15:39 6 Nov 15

Reply #561850

re: Conklin charged with striking

Horrible analogy Train. By driving drunk you are breaking the law, something that can be proven. At this stage, there is no proof Conklin was doing anything that breached the rules of basketball.


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Train
Two years ago
15:48 6 Nov 15

Reply #561852

re: Conklin charged with striking

@Paul - I think you misunderstood my comment. I never said that he was breaking the rules or that I thought he was. I said "IF" he was found guilty or breaking the rules he should be hit hard considering the damage he caused.

I've seen the footage and unfortunately I don't have the level of expertise of background to determine if he did or not.

Never in that comment did I say he was guilty or that I thought that.



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paul
Two years ago
15:54 6 Nov 15

Reply #561853

re: Conklin charged with striking

No problem with that, my issue is with the comparison between drink driving and a flailing arm.


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snooch
Two years ago
15:59 6 Nov 15

Reply #561854

re: Conklin charged with striking

Train your analogy also falls over based on intent.

For example, if I get in a car drunk and hit and hurt/kill someone by accident, I will receive a lesser penalty than if I get drunk and intentionally run into someone and hurt/kill them.
Intent will play a part in the charge you face as well as in sentencing (along with a whole lot of other things), should you be found guilty.


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Train
Two years ago
16:00 6 Nov 15

Reply #561857

re: Conklin charged with striking

OK maybe the analogy could of been better but you get my point though.


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fstos
Two years ago
17:02 6 Nov 15

Reply #561884

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fstos
Two years ago
17:24 6 Nov 15

Reply #561886

re: Conklin charged with striking

My take on the incident.

From early on basketballers are trained that when they have the ball above their head and defenders approach to pull (rip)the ball down and through with your elbows out. The reason you elbows are out is that it is the natural way to carry out that motion and also to protect the ball.

Any basketballers ever done this drill?

Conklin was doing just that. When the ball was dislodged by the foul you just cant stop your momentum (because no ball and foul called) and in fact the effort to rip the ball through contact can actually cause an acceleration once the contact/ball has unexpectedly been released.

Players also over emphasise this movement(flailing of arms all the time). CJ (the retired bald one), Goulding, Redhage, Wagstaff, Wortho and yes Conklin, off the top of my head, are some of the more adept at this tactic.

No one has ever made an attempt to stamp this out or even stop coaches drilling this because it may inadvertently injure a person coming in from the blind side.

This is exactly what happened. It was my first thought and after many viewings it is still what I believe.

Just an sad accident. If it is indeed found the be illegal then some one better get to work fixing up that chapter in the coaching manual.


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koberulz
Two years ago
17:25 6 Nov 15

Reply #561887

re: Conklin charged with striking

He's been cleared.


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Supernintendo Chalmers
Two years ago
17:25 6 Nov 15

Reply #561888

re: Conklin charged with striking

He's been cleared and will play tonight.


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Luuuc
Two years ago
17:30 6 Nov 15

Reply #561893

re: Conklin charged with striking

Happy ending. We get to abuse him this evening after all
:-)


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Nathan of Perth
Two years ago
17:33 6 Nov 15

Reply #561895

re: Conklin charged with striking

Going to be a whistle-fest tonight, lol


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Train
Two years ago
17:33 6 Nov 15

Reply #561896

re: Conklin charged with striking

haha I reckon the ratings on this game should be through the roof for Foxtel :P


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Anonymous
Two years ago
17:34 6 Nov 15

Reply #561897

re: Conklin charged with striking

@luuuc That is probably his penalty having to play in front of the Wildcats fans


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paul
Two years ago
17:46 6 Nov 15

Reply #561901

re: Conklin charged with striking

Given how bad he's playing this season, the best punishment is to make him play tonight! Can't wait for this game.


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D4444
Two years ago
06:01 7 Nov 15

Reply #562150

re: Conklin charged with striking

The only bigger joke than the BS charge is Gaze saying he should get 6 weeks. He might have been our best player ever but I really get sick of him being wheeled out in front of the media as some kind of spokesperson for the game. Do any of these media clowns realise his IQ is probably lower than his average ppg? Sportspeople are not famous for their intellect or critical thinking ability so why would anybody care about their opinion. Judging from Gleeson's comments, you can Include him in the limited intellect crew too.


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