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Anonymous
Two years ago

#38593

The Tim Donaghy Scandal

Tim Donaghy admitted to betting on games he officiated in and making calls to alter outcomes to satisfy bets made by others he made promises to.

He admitted to doing this for around 4 years.

Tim Donaghy was caught, ONLY BY CHANCE BY ANOTHER ORGANISATION (FBI) who were investigating a completely different case and just happened to stumble accross a phone call that implicated him.

David Stern then came out and said that no other referees are cheating.

My question is, how does he know? Its not as if his organisation caught Donaghy. This shows that the protocols the NBA has are simply not good enough to detect cheating amongst its ranks.

If it wasnt for that stroke of good luck, Donaghy would still have continued to cheat and supplement his income with the NBA having no clue.

Now, i am not going to make an allegation that NBL players and refs cheat, but the question is, what confidence and trust do you have that this doesnt happen in the NBL?

If the NBA which is a billion dollar industry with its large resources in compliance cannot catch a cheat, what confidence do you have in the NBL?

I AM NOT SAYING THIS OCCURS IN THE NBL..

The question is, what confidence and trust do you have, especially when the players and refs are not paid no where near as much as their counterparts OS.

AGAIN, in this thread, i am NOT ACCUSING ANYONE OF ANYTHING.
The question is confidence and trust.

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paul
Two years ago
12:39 3 Dec 15

Reply #568222

re: The Tim Donaghy Scandal

Isaac, is this the blowout/foul/'NBL is shit' troll who made the allegations in the Croc v Taipans thread?


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Anonymous
Two years ago
12:45 3 Dec 15

Reply #568225

re: The Tim Donaghy Scandal

Hey Paul....why cant you answer my question?

Simple isnt it?


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paul
Two years ago
12:49 3 Dec 15

Reply #568226

re: The Tim Donaghy Scandal

Sounds like you'll have a few questions to answer in a slightly more serious forum.


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Anonymous
Two years ago
12:51 3 Dec 15

Reply #568229

re: The Tim Donaghy Scandal

Interesting topic which should not be discredited. Many strange results coming out this season hmmm


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Anonymous
Two years ago
12:52 3 Dec 15

Reply #568232

re: The Tim Donaghy Scandal

Paul? Who have i specifically named here?


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Anonymous
Two years ago
12:53 3 Dec 15

Reply #568233

re: The Tim Donaghy Scandal

Right now I have 0% trust also if you look at all the pro leagues accredited in Australia with bookmakers to stamp out insiders etc. NBL is the only one not amongst them. DODGY


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Supernintendo Chalmers
Two years ago
12:56 3 Dec 15

Reply #568234

re: The Tim Donaghy Scandal

NBL refs are far too incompetent to organise a systematic betting/match-fixing rort.


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Anonymous
Two years ago
13:01 3 Dec 15

Reply #568236

re: The Tim Donaghy Scandal

players though? 20-2 start as if


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paul
Two years ago
13:06 3 Dec 15

Reply #568239

re: The Tim Donaghy Scandal

Which game was there a 20-2 start?


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Anonymous
Two years ago
13:07 3 Dec 15

Reply #568241

re: The Tim Donaghy Scandal

just rechecked even worse 25-2 actually


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paul
Two years ago
13:08 3 Dec 15

Reply #568242

re: The Tim Donaghy Scandal

Which game?


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Anonymous
Two years ago
13:09 3 Dec 15

Reply #568243

re: The Tim Donaghy Scandal

come on your memory isn't that bad


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Anonymous
Two years ago
13:12 3 Dec 15

Reply #568246

re: The Tim Donaghy Scandal

Again, the question is...how would the NBL know?

If the NBA with Billions of dollars of resources couldnt catch someone off there own bat who was cheating for years...how would the NBL know?


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paul
Two years ago
13:13 3 Dec 15

Reply #568248

re: The Tim Donaghy Scandal

Do you want me to provide conclusive proof that NBL refs aren't cheating?


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Luuuc
Two years ago
13:16 3 Dec 15

Reply #568251

re: The Tim Donaghy Scandal

I don't see anything wrong with putting the question out there.


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Anonymous
Two years ago
13:16 3 Dec 15

Reply #568252

re: The Tim Donaghy Scandal

Paul, you cant, and i dont expect anyone to...

The question is of confidence and trust....

Thats all.


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paul
Two years ago
13:20 3 Dec 15

Reply #568258

re: The Tim Donaghy Scandal

I think the question's been put out there by someone who has made allegations in a different thread and is trying to cover their tracks.

How do we know anyone in any position in society isn't corrupt? We don't. But you'd be surprised the access police have to people's betting accounts to track this sort of activity.


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Anonymous
Two years ago
13:22 3 Dec 15

Reply #568263

re: The Tim Donaghy Scandal

I think with NBL being a low profile league if say a group decide to mail in a performance there is barely any exposure in the media so there is no pressure or questions asked/getting called out on it.


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Anonymous
Two years ago
13:23 3 Dec 15

Reply #568265

re: The Tim Donaghy Scandal

Cover tracks? LOL

Do you know how many thousands of threads are out there accusing many sporting organisations of corruption?

So you want me to introduce you to YOUTUBE? Just type in NBA fixed and you will see hundreds....

Get off your high horse.


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paul
Two years ago
13:26 3 Dec 15

Reply #568269

re: The Tim Donaghy Scandal

Those links aren't really relevant once someone sues you.

I know of a case of a person in a lower-profile league than the NBL, who wasn't a player, coach or official, getting a phone call from police discussing their betting habits.

The gambling industry has enormous sway, and if there's a chance they're being swindled you can bet the cops are alerted to it.


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Kobe24
Two years ago
13:31 3 Dec 15

Reply #568271

re: The Tim Donaghy Scandal

Ok so based on the initial post, I have a lot of trust that the refs and players aren't betting on or tanking specific games. Thats my opinion.


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Anonymous
Two years ago
13:35 3 Dec 15

Reply #568275

re: The Tim Donaghy Scandal

Paul...how come Donaghy only got caught by chance?


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paul
Two years ago
13:54 3 Dec 15

Reply #568285

re: The Tim Donaghy Scandal

I'm sure you can do some research on what happens in the USA, perhaps while you're researching your defence after being sued.

It's definitely possible some officials or players could be gambling, but given the example I gave earlier in Australia I think they'd be walking a very fine line.


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King Podge
Two years ago
13:58 3 Dec 15

Reply #568288

re: The Tim Donaghy Scandal

have we reached 'peak anon'?


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Anonymous
Two years ago
14:01 3 Dec 15

Reply #568291

re: The Tim Donaghy Scandal

Paul, how can i be sued? I havent mentioned any names?


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Isaac
Two years ago
14:47 3 Dec 15

Reply #568310

re: The Tim Donaghy Scandal

Anon, no one could be sure. Same could be said of almost every situation.

Is it likely that there is a gambling problem involving NBL refs and players? I seriously doubt it. Is it more likely that there are upsets? That teams get on a run? Yes.

The NBA issue was in very small changes and in a huge market. To do the same in the NBL, you'd have to bet huge amounts of money and it would be noticed. I follow one person on Twitter who bets around $1m per day on the NBA. In this thread or the other, you can see someone who's observed that $500 is enough to move the odds in Australia.


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Anonymous
Two years ago
14:50 3 Dec 15

Reply #568311

re: The Tim Donaghy Scandal

no but you are inferring the players in a 25-2 start game or the referees in that game of cheating or collusion or tanking. I'd say lawyer up if I was any of the above I would be seeking a legal opinion. also you are tainting all the match officials players and coaches in the league with speculation again you many not have named ONE but you have cast asperations against a slew of others. I would tread very warily if I was you unless you have proof put up or shut up.


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Kobe24
Two years ago
14:57 3 Dec 15

Reply #568316

re: The Tim Donaghy Scandal

Trolling away looking for responses. To start a game 25-2 you would have to have every player involved and coach. Crocs came out swinging that is all give them their cudos


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Anonymous
Two years ago
15:17 3 Dec 15

Reply #568322

re: The Tim Donaghy Scandal

I didnt mention anything about the 25-2 start here.

That was someone else...


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Anonymous
Two years ago
15:18 3 Dec 15

Reply #568323

re: The Tim Donaghy Scandal

Lawyer up? LOL

So all these people will be lawyering up?

https://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=nba+is+rigged


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Anonymous
Two years ago
15:25 3 Dec 15

Reply #568326

re: The Tim Donaghy Scandal

How do you know some of them haven't?


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Anonymous
Two years ago
15:31 3 Dec 15

Reply #568330

re: The Tim Donaghy Scandal

Has ANYONE been sued for claiming rigged on a web site?

LOL, Donaghy wrote a damn book and went on national TV saying the league is rigged and nothing happened to him...


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KET
Two years ago
15:47 3 Dec 15

Reply #568339

re: The Tim Donaghy Scandal

What's the point of this thread? To make it known that the world is not perfect?

Sure there is potential for match-fixing, but you can only go so far to limit the risk and just accept a risk exists.

If you can't accept risk, you can't accept life in general. I don't think corruption, cheating, match-fixing etc. is anywhere near the level it would need to be to ruin basketball anyway - look at cycling, it's still going despite almost being practically consumed in scandals for decades, and these scandals went to the very essence of the sport itself, performance.


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KET
Two years ago
15:51 3 Dec 15

Reply #568342

re: The Tim Donaghy Scandal

Also, I don't genuinely believe the referees are determining the outcome of NBL games and I don't believe there's match-fixing going on.

I don't think refs would get away with placing bets of any reasonable amount worth fixing a game in such a small betting market.


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Anonymous
Two years ago
15:53 3 Dec 15

Reply #568344

re: The Tim Donaghy Scandal

come to think of it there was a weird plunge on crocs at high odds last night hmmm hmm food for thought


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Anonymous
Two years ago
16:20 3 Dec 15

Reply #568357

re: The Tim Donaghy Scandal

#568344 (and the rest of your posts)

Its clear you have been losing money betting against the Crocs recently, although the fact is their brand of small ball is tough to match up against. They are well coached and and shoot a lot of 3s. If they shoot well they will likely win.

As for the betting plunge. I wouldn't want facts to get in the way of your story although this link may help;

http://www.oddsportal.com/basketball/australia/nbl/townsville-cairns-dS1fzyAc/#home-away;1

Luxbet
Cairns Opening odds $1.52
Cairns Closing odds $1.47

Townsville Opening odds $2.55
Townsville Closing odds $2.70

Any weight of money on Townsville (especially from a winning customer or customers) would have seen Townsville shorten and start the game favourites or close to it, not drift from $2.55 to $2.70





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Anonymous
Two years ago
16:23 3 Dec 15

Reply #568358

re: The Tim Donaghy Scandal

you fail to list odds movement in between tsv were $3+


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Anonymous
Two years ago
08:22 4 Dec 15

Reply #568513

re: The Tim Donaghy Scandal

Keep betting and keep losing. It wouldn't be a billion dollar business without your types.


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Dazz
Two years ago
16:17 4 Dec 15

Reply #568686

re: The Tim Donaghy Scandal

How can we be sure?

That the OP isn't a deranged cross-dressing paedophile, a compulsive liar, kleptomaniac, and drug-dealer?

Well, we can't be sure, so I guess that means he must be?


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Anonymous
Two years ago
16:43 4 Dec 15

Reply #568700

re: The Tim Donaghy Scandal

no point betting on nbl the pools are too shallow a dollar skews the odds, totally useless league

making decent coin on other sports though


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Anonymous
Two years ago
16:50 4 Dec 15

Reply #568709

re: The Tim Donaghy Scandal

The golf last weekend was a betting paradise. Maybe thatey are all colluding too.


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LV
Two years ago
17:04 4 Dec 15

Reply #568716

re: The Tim Donaghy Scandal

Great thread.


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Jick
Two years ago
23:55 4 Dec 15

Reply #568955

re: The Tim Donaghy Scandal

The real question is whether OP ever gets laid.

i AM NOT SAYING OP IS A VIRGIN

However i have no confidence nor trust he is not.


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Anonymous
Two years ago
20:17 6 Dec 15

Reply #569404

re: The Tim Donaghy Scandal

Jick you are thinking of koberulz


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