UseTaHoop
Years ago

Bullets vs United

Tip-off 5:30 pm AEDST according to NBL app.

24.2 deg Celsius

78% humidity

1010 hPa

Game played at sea level at Carrara on the Gold Coast.

These facts are important. Bob Beamon Mexico City Olympics long jump record still stands. This record is widely recognised as being aided by atmospherics, elevation and highest-allowable tail wind.

Can Brisbane overcome the soporiphic drudgery of travel down the M1?

Can Melbourne adjust from AEDST to AEST?

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Anonymous  
Years ago

There is no such thing as AEDST.

It's AEST or AEDT.

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UseTaHoop  
Years ago

2 alternatives actually. I've seen both terms in reasonably reputable publications ( broadsheet newspapers, published academic works, textbooks)

Language is fluid, acronyms doubly so.

https://www.acronymfinder.com/Australian-Eastern-Daylight-Saving-Time-(AEDST).html

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Anonymous  
Years ago

Will the humidity affect Goulding's Lacrimal Glands, thus welling up too much from bench leaving him with poor vision?

Is it possible Adnam will be too busy surfing and won't make it to the game?

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koberulz  
Years ago

Big test for rookie head coach Dean Vickerman, according to the commentary.

Apparently there was a different Dean Vickerman who coached the Breakers to two grand finals and a championship.

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Anonymous  
Years ago

Great turn out...

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Kenny Mayne  
Years ago

Plenty of empty seats still available... if you're just driving around.

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Kenny Mayne  
Years ago

Still plenty of good seats available...if you're just drivin' around.

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UseTaHoop  
Years ago

Can Ware and Goulding both flourish in Melbourne's offense?

Looks like there’s just not enough ball to go around.

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Anonymous  
Years ago

United look awful at the moment.

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Anonymous  
Years ago

10-0 run... wahahaha.

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Pickem  
Years ago

Useless assholes United

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LV  
Years ago

Which ref's missus did Casper hit on!?

Why the hell is this home town reffing happening all the time, when United got zero favours at Hisense last week?

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Anonymous  
Years ago

Oh I was about to ask where you were LV.

Pickem - why would you bet on United after their pathetic run so far? Useless asshole of a bettor more like it.

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Anonymous  
Years ago

what was the offensive foul for? the screen was set for an eternity

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LV  
Years ago

Good to see someone other than Prather or Boone actually do something here

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Anonymous  
Years ago

Pretty sure the Brisbane played leaned into adnam

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LV  
Years ago

Agreed. Foul on te rangi was rubbish

But gosh, United needs the next 6 calls going their way THEN the ledger might be near even

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Anonymous  
Years ago

Commentators' fantasy teams. We don't care.

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Manu Fieldel  
Years ago

These referees are straight-up deplorable

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AngusH  
Years ago

Te Rangi almost single-handedly keeping Melbourne in the game...

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Anonymous  
Years ago

Buford nice shorts.

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Anonymous  
Years ago

Melbourne Unite, no D.

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UseTaHoop  
Years ago

Re: Te Rangi foul.

You used to have to allow a footstep in that situation. Not sure of rule now. Anyone know for sure?

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Anonymous  
Years ago

James Harvey is going to list his house on Airbnb during the Commonwealth Games. Wow, tell me more James.

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Indoorkite  
Years ago

Re: Te Rangi foul

He allowed about 5 metres

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Anonymous  
Years ago

It's too easy to score against Utd.

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LV  
Years ago

Good to see Super Kyle is back

Prather has earnt every dollar lately. United would be screwed without him at both ends right now

But United needs Casper and CG to start playing like Casper And CG, otherwise those screaming "overrated!" Will be correct

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LV  
Years ago

And nice to see Holt hitting a few shots early too

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Anonymous  
Years ago

To many stars not enough workers

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Anonymous  
Years ago

Exactly.

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Anonymous  
Years ago

Utd's O in this second half is atrocious. Block after block wow.

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Anonymous  
Years ago

Another block!!! Wow what is going on hahahaha Utd cooked

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AngusH  
Years ago

Bris definitely did a good job scouting a Craig replacement in Buford.

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Anonymous  
Years ago

LV has gone quiet. Even he can't excuse Utd's performance on "refs", 14-0 run for Brisbane.

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snooch  
Years ago

United is better without Goulding

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Anonymous  
Years ago

united the streakiest team in the nbl

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Anonymous  
Years ago

Heal is so dumb. 8-3=3? Haha

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Anonymous  
Years ago

Utd are horrible, sloppy turnovers and no D once coughed up.

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Anonymous  
Years ago

United need five Te Rangi's out there to win this.

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Anonymous  
Years ago

Goulding goes to the bench crying for the second straight game.

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Anonymous  
Years ago

Goulding about to cry again, put your body in front of him next time

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Anonymous  
Years ago

WOW WOW WOW

Brisbane are being made to look like world beaters.

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Anonymous  
Years ago

LV where art thou? You disappear once Utd's performance became so insipid that even you can't make excuses for them any longer. I'm calling you out you coward.

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Anonymous  
Years ago

LV has abandoned ship

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Anonymous  
Years ago

The SS LV has waved the white flag. Coward.

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AngusH  
Years ago

Brisbane running the clock a little early in this one, based on that possession....

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Anonymous  
Years ago

Ware has been a black hole.

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LV  
Years ago

Lol @ anons who think hoops is top of my priority list

Is Prather about to save this?

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Anonymous  
Years ago

LV returns only when the margin goes down to single digits. Not a coincidence. Coward.

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Anonymous  
Years ago

Prather 1 man wrecking crew, MU lucky to pick him up.

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Anonymous  
Years ago

Been a rabid UTD member for a few seasons now - haven't been an NBL member since SE Melb days. If this keeps up it will be my last year, not paying good money to fund a group of overpaid paraprofessionals who don't know how to make a team click. Would rather attend the odd game as opposed to turn up knowing you'll be going home disappointed.

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Anonymous  
Years ago

"overpaid paraprofessionals"

Hahaha, nice!

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Anonymous  
Years ago

Where was this Melbourne D all game?

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Anonymous  
Years ago

LV you are so transparent. We aren't dumb, whereas you are if you think you're fooling anyone.

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LV  
Years ago

United with momentum and Prather gets 2 questionable calls

Game still alive though.

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Anonymous  
Years ago

United with momentum so LV returns and blames the refs again.

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Anonymous  
Years ago

United are so overatted, losing to the likes of Brisbane and NZ is so sad.

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LV  
Years ago

Meh

2-3 after this first 5 fixture isn't bad at all

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Anonymous  
Years ago

No, it's the refs, apparently. Go ask LV.

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Anonymous  
Years ago

Yeah, 40% ain't bad after millions have been spent. LOL

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LV  
Years ago

Wow, wasn't expecting this

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Anonymous  
Years ago

In contrast we were expecting exactly this from you.

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AngusH  
Years ago

Yikes. Goulding took too long to get rid of that ball, but that was almost like the Hayward shot in the Duke-Butler final.

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Anonymous  
Years ago

LV looking forward to your excuses and ref analysis minute by minute. LOL

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koberulz  
Years ago

Casey again saying Wesley won a title under Lemanis in 2015. Stillnnot true.

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LV  
Years ago

Wow

Goulding & Casper ineffective and lose on the buzzer. On the road

Lol @ the haters

Still I think United's comparative talent advantage has been oversold

Brisbane is a team who no one rated. Yet Trice Holt Buford is a strong import group. And a bench featuring players like Gibson. They're deep and well coached. I like where the NBL is at

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Anonymous  
Years ago

Why wasn't Brian Taylor commentating?

BOH OH BOY WOWEE what a finish!

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Anonymous  
Years ago

LV you ignore to mention to amateurish lapses Utd went through throughout the game. Extremely worrying and you are naive not to be worried.

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Anonymous  
Years ago

Definitely something wrong at United. It seems that even after millions spent on talent and bringing in who we thought was a good coach in Vickerman, its just more of the same, and losing to bad teams like last season.

Its like Demopolous is still there..

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Anonymous  
Years ago

fail to mention

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Anonymous  
Years ago

'Definitely something wrong at United. It seems that even after millions spent on talent and bringing in who we thought was a good coach in Vickerman, its just more of the same, and losing to bad teams like last season.

Its like Demopolous is still there..'

It has to be the overall culture, there is so much talent at United

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Anonymous  
Years ago

Exactly. Demopolous may have not been that bad... as ridiculous as that sounds. Not enough workers and too many lazy players.

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koberulz  
Years ago

Demopolous tried to sub out a player who was already on the bench.

Have to cut Vickerman some slack, this is his first season as an NBL head coach...

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Anonymous  
Years ago

To be fair the way Utd have underachieved I'd want to sub out already subbed out players on that roster too.

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Anonymous  
Years ago

Demopolous was terrible. It simply shows you that with all the talent on one side they can't beat a side of chumps with the same owner. Must be rigged !!!

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Anonymous  
Years ago

Vickerman coached the breakers to a championship as head coach.

To many stars Casper is not a pass first guard, Prather one man great play r but struggles with team first same as Wesley. Adnam was going better than ware but sits on bench. Moller gone from starter through preseason to 11th man, Majoc 10th and Anderson behind Barlow. Got mix it up or ain't going to work.

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Anonymous  
Years ago

Said it when Melbourne played in US and first two games that when he returns it will upset the chemistry and change the way the coach coaches. Something about him that disrupts others game. Commentators banging on about how they will be so much better with him but that removes someone that worked well with the winning team. And here we are 3 losses and looking a shadow of themselves and Goulding doing the same stuff he has done for years. Casper stepped up when Goulding sat and got his rhythm going and then of course back on with Goulding, gets a few shots and everyone mesmerised again. But fail to see what it does to the rest of the team. Predicted it and can't believe very few can see it.. Shame as so much talent and what about Wesley getting more minutes. He has more influence and chemistry with other talent than anyone one else for the minutes he plays. Undervalued and underplayed.

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Anonymous  
Years ago

Goulding just jacks up shots and does nothing more.

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Anonymous  
Years ago

Prather 30 points @ 57%, 6 boards and plays D. One of few who can hold his head high.

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AngusH  
Years ago

Vickerman should look at what Brisbane did with Holt tonight in the early 1st Q and try do the same with Ware going forward. Ware is the most important guy on that Melbourne roster, and when he's engaged and making plays with either the pass or the shot that's when Melbourne are at their best.

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Anonymous  
Years ago

16 turnovers, 4 ware, 3 Wesley, 2 to hooley 4.5 minutes,Adnam 2 in 13.5 minutes. To many defensive fouls putting them to the stripe as well.

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Anonymous  
Years ago

No it was the refs not Utd's fault (according to LV) again.

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Manu Fieldel  
Years ago

Ware is probably their most important, but that doesn't translate to him being the best. It just means that he's inconsistent. Bit of a shame.

Casey is just about the best player in the NBL

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Luuuc  
Years ago

Yeah I still rate Casey as the best in the league until someone proves otherwise

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AngusH  
Years ago

Casey is their best player (probably), but he's going to get his numbers regardless - it's great to have a guy who can just generate points from nothing like Prather, but if Ware is attacking and finding guys it's bumping up everyone's numbers. His shot might be inconsistent, but I don't think he's actually got the ball in his hands looking to create enough in the halfcourt.

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Yinka Dare  
Years ago

Homicide would rank Prather as 6th best sf in league

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Anonymous  
Years ago

MU are too individual.

Solo brilliance will win them many games, but they are going to have to be a team to win a series.

Both team offense and team defense have some glaring issues and when they try to work together it seems to blow up in their faces.

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LV  
Years ago

Everyone is talking about United. And some valid points made.

But give Bris some credit.

Holt and Kickert 2 key starters from United's minor premier team of 2015/16. Holt has played in Spain subsequently.

Trice is top shelf import material. Buford is an athlete who can score. Gibbo is long time Fringe Boomer who defends well and plays both guard spots.

Then add a bunch of role players who have proven themselves in the league over varying periods - all 5 years + or thereabouts in the NBL system - Jervis, Petrie, Young, Bruce and Te Rangi

Lemanis coaching.

Holt was hitting today but they had a range of contributors. If this team is a widespread pick for 6th-8th then it tells you how strong this league is.

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LV  
Years ago

Ok saying Te Rangi is "proven" is a stretch but he's their 10th man.

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LV  
Years ago

Also, I think Casper seduced many of us last season

He was clearly suited to Demopoulos system, which can be summarised as "aiiiigght! Let's shoot some threes boys. Aiggght!"

Casper thrived with the freedom to let fly

But he won't necessarily average 20+ again under a different coach.

He does need to learn to play a slightly different role with Prather alongside him.

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LoveBroker  
Years ago

LV.

Please cut the BS and go back to studying the video to see where the refs ripped off Melbourne.

This giving of due credit for an opposition win just isn't you.

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Anonymous  
Years ago

He is deflecting his team's flaws by praising the opposition, because it's never his own team's fault.

This has been observed in this subject before.

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LV  
Years ago

Lovebroker, easy, run the tape on either of Caspers fouls. Or his turnover on the sideline running into Mitch Young's hip check. Then look at some of the fouls called on United's bigs in comparison.

Only 15 fouls on Bris?

But- bad calls are a part of the game. It wasn't anything like the egrerious mess we witnessed in Perth last week. United must learn to deal with it. Boone lost it, Goulding lost it. Too much remonstrating, not enough good basketball.

I don't see major flaws with United right now. They aren't playing well, obviously, but as has been noted from the beginning, they don't have great depth compared to most of the other teams. United does, however, have 4 stars on their roster. Problem is, only 2 of them are playing like it.

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Anonymous  
Years ago

You mean Casper running into Young's hip, there is a difference.

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Anonymous  
Years ago

United fan here. They didn't get robbed, nothing underhand at play, they just sucked. Move on LV.

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Anonymous  
Years ago

So LV your Utd lose three games straight but there is nothing to worry about because it's the refs or you paint the inferior opposition as being good. Which one is it?... actually don't answer that as you're delusional whatever your reasons. Funny how you never actually criticise the problem that has been constant throughout - the team itself.

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J  
Years ago

Lv, pay Brisbane credit they have two starters from mulebournes minor premeriship side... ffs

Interesting form of credit. Still can't acknowledge United got beat by Perth

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LV  
Years ago

I haven't criticized the team? Huh? You are taking the piss, obviously? Or just not paying attention?

Do you mean, team make up or individual performances?

I can't keep up, 3 weeks ago everyone was worshipping the ground United was walking on, now United are apparently shithouse cos they lost 3 in a row - including 2 road games, one 5 point loss vs defending champs with some "interesting" reffing, and another on the buzzer.

I look forward to the next about face from the hoops experts.


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LV  
Years ago

Correction it was only 2 weeks ago that United smashed Adelaide and everyone thought they were freaking awesome

Now they're a basketcase

That happened fast!

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LoveBroker  
Years ago

"Lovebroker, easy, run the tape..."

See LV...it's not that hard, just let the real you free. Welcome back.

"Then look at some of the fouls called on United's bigs in comparison. "

Oh...would you mind telling me at what second and minute of which quarter these things happened? I know you've already studied the tape, don't hold back now.

"It wasn't anything like the egrerious mess we witnessed in Perth last week."

Annnnd the return is complete with the Perth rant.

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Anonymous  
Years ago

LV are you not comprehending on purpose now?

The first comment was that you blame refs instead of criticising your own team for their ineptness, and now gloss it over with "40% is ok."

The other comment was you never give any other team credit except to Brisbane tonight because they have two ex-United players.

Do you not realise how ridiculous you are?

Your team sucks at the moment so blame them instead of the refs, or praising a weak side who have your ex playres or say 40% is acceptable. Unless your going for a gig with Utd I don't see why you are being soft on them by finding anything else but them to blame the losses on.

If you are going to whine on here why not cry about the team itself not anything but them. They are at fault, not anything external.

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Anonymous  
Years ago

Fun fact: LV stands for Little Vagina

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Anonymous  
Years ago

Goulding is mentally weak. 2 games in a row he has his head down on the bench with heaps of time left.

Would hate to have a teammate that displays that instead of an attitude that they can come back. It sucks the life out of a team.

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paul  
Years ago

I think possibly the fact Melbourne complain about every call creates an illusion they are being hard done by? Reffing was ok last night, the usual bad calls here and there but players decided the game.

When Vickerman first took over NZ they became a foul fest, similar thing here. Every other team is averaging 18-22 fouls and United at 26, they need to adjust.

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paul  
Years ago

Out of interest, in 2013/14 when Vickerman took over NZ, by the end of the season every other team averaged between 17-21 fouls per game and NZ were 25.

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LV  
Years ago

Interesting stats Paul.

They need to attack the hoop more too. Only Prather and Adnam shot free throws yesterday. Casper needs to be more aggressive and drive it to the basket when the jumper isn't falling



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LV  
Years ago

Every game this season United has had less FT attempts than opposition and is averaging 10-15 less per game

There could be a number of different reasons why. But perhaps parr of it is needing to adjust to the way the game is being called, creating options that attack the hoop instead of settling for jumpers

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Hoopie  
Years ago

I'm with Paul (& LV a little).

United every season seem to believe in the hype too much and strut around as though they should be a protected species. Goulding especially seems to blame the refs for when he gets caught out by his poor D, or when he takes a dumb shot. I hope that Vickerman can get them to learn to do the hard yards and STFU when they don't agree with the reffing.

I agree they should drive into the key more, but the reffing these days allows so much contact that I'd call reckless or even nasty that I'd be scared to leave the ground in the key except for a dunk. (There was another thread which suggested that in the US they care a lot more about how they foul, whereas over here too many don't seem to care about how badly they could injure other players.) I still can't accept that a guy going for a layup can get taken out and sent into the spectators LEGALLY!!!

One issue I have with their offence is that it doesn't enough fast ball or player movement or space to get enough players 1on1s. We know that Prather (and Wesley and Ware and Adnam) can create baskets out of nothing, but too many others seem to need to be set up these days. Watching Unite(d) setting and using their screens so slowly is excruciating, especially when then involve Andersen.

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Camel 31  
Years ago

I got the impression of Gibson being a great spark off the bench . Came on twice and helped Brisbane get 2 big lead , passing and driving etc... While Melbourne caught up twice when he went off ..Most likely best I have seen him for a while..

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Camel 31  
Years ago

2 big leadS

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Anonymous  
Years ago

Time to bring back the tigers

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AngusH  
Years ago

Agree with Camel31... I think Gibson looks more motivated than he's been the past couple of years. He fades away into the background when he's being used off the ball next to an import 1, and I think Bris using him at the 1 off the bench is doing wonders for him.

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paul  
Years ago

No Boomers in the off-season, got to have a proper rest and get his body right for the first time in a while and looks good.

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Anonymous  
Years ago

If Prather hadn't played his best game of the year after a few just OK ones they'd have been beaten by forty, the score flattered United in the end, probably deserved to lose by ten to fifteen.

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Anonymous  
Years ago

Those 10-0 and 14-0 runs made with ease by the Bullets is alarming for United.

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LV  
Years ago

A couple of years ago I thought AJ Ogilvy was the best big man in the NBL.....

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Anonymous  
Years ago

LV simply ignores getting called out. So obvious.

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Anonymous  
Years ago

I've known LV from afar and the Tigers days and he is passionate about the Tigers. United who cares. The bullying on LV isnt required. They are poor and as a team who may spend $10mill. on their program a fail.

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Anonymous  
Years ago

Yes I know him too. Despite him saying he isn't that into United the one eyed behaviour is identical to the Tigers years going back to early 2000s. His comeback during the comeback was so obvious.

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AngusH  
Years ago

Ignoring anonymous trolls is the only way to enjoy Hoops.

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Anonymous  
Years ago

Great incisive comments AngusH. Thanks.

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Anonymous  
Years ago

Can't agree.

Ignoring LV is the only way to enjoy Hoops.

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