Anonymous
Years ago

Concussion in the VFL / AFL / NBL

Well the elephant in the room is now off the leash. This is Matt Knight in the future I suspect. Serious issues here for all sports and with so much ignorance and turning a blind eye to the concussion issue the NBL in time may well be the next sport to get sued.
http://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/afl/more-news/concussion-casualty-and-fourtime-premiership-star-john-platten-signs-as-plaintiff-in-afl-damages-case/news-story/324f366e1ce1646a17830181788b8678

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Anonymous  
Years ago

Add R.Jarry to the list. Surely Canberra would be looking into this very closely before they allow her to take the court again in their colours.

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.  
Years ago

appropriately styled head protection is the way to go IMO. We wear shoes to protect our feet so why not protective headwear ?

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Anonymous  
Years ago

Helmets do not prevent concussion

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Anonymous  
Years ago

Greg Williams on his CTE.
http://www.smh.com.au/rugby-league/mario-fenech-opens-up-about-the-brain-damage-he-suffered-as-a-player-20160201-gmiryn.html
The Falcon on his situation. (Mario Fenech)
http://www.smh.com.au/rugby-league/mario-fenech-opens-up-about-the-brain-damage-he-suffered-as-a-player-20160201-gmiryn.html

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koberulz  
Years ago

You posted the Fenech link twice.

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.  
Years ago

head protection lessens impact = lessens injury

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Ricey  
Years ago

Head protection has been shown to increase likelyhood of brain damage in the long run for contact sports. Look at Boxing vs UFC.

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koberulz  
Years ago

Boxing gloves/helmets increase brain injuries because they make it easier to punch people in the head without breaking your hand, so punches to the head are harder and more frequent than they otherwise would be. That effect won't carry over to football or basketball (or at least it certainly ought not to).

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Anonymous  
Years ago

First go study what concussion actually is. Its the brain bruising inside the skull. Helmets do not prevent the impact causing the brain to bounce around. Helmets prevent cuts and abrasions to the head, they do nothing to stop the damage inside of the skull from the brain hitting the inside of the skull.

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Bear  
Years ago

Being a long time sport lover I have watched so many different sports I can't even list them. Collision sports, as well as supposedly non collision sports like basketball, heck I have even played most of them so I can only express my view on this from what I have experienced and observed over the decades.

Firstly, the helmet argument is completely and utterly wasting everyone’s time, the reason being that no matter what head protection you give someone in a collision situation, it may only slightly reduce the severity of an injury to the level of the impact multiplied by the amount of impacts and will never be able to do enough to satisfy the medical diagnosis of this type of long term accumulated injury to the brain.

Secondly, it is the rules and the interpretations of the rules and only this which can actually make some difference, which is of course only valid if we are happy to accept two things:

1. That sports injury will always be at risk no matter what is implemented.

2. That we love sport and will always want to watch it no matter the level of risk to athletes.

So, then we need to take into account what the causes of the injury are and by identifying those causes we can have a logical and common sense discussion about possible actions that can be implemented to reduce the risk of injury, because as I have stated the risk will always be there and cannot be totally avoided, only limited or reduced to an accepted level.

The actions of players during a game of basketball, especially during post play, where players like Matty Knight spend most of their time is the issue and how the laws - rules of the game are interpreted inside the paint is precisely what I would like to suggest is the most likely cause of this type of brain injury due to head strikes and collisions not usually experienced elsewhere on the court.

It appears to me that by taking away or at least officiating properly the following actions of players would not only reduce the number of head strikes and collisions, but it would significantly reduce the level of risk associated with players developing long term accumulated brain injury over time.

Swinging Arms – Too often players are allowed to get away with excessively swinging their arms, especially in the paint, where such action is immediately penalised elsewhere on the court, yet in the paint it may attract a foul, but in many circumstances it does not. Players are too often allowed to swing their arm from behind and the swinging arm contact often results in head hits, yet we see it time and again allowed to occur with players on the ground clutching their heads receiving only a foul and often only if they are lucky enough to get the call.

Blocking – The hip & shoulder block, bump and grabbing of players in the paint resulting in some head contact and players being knocked to the ground or into another player appears to be far less officiated in the paint, why is this and why is this different to elsewhere on the court?

Third player up – The third player flying in over the top of two players standing their ground under the basket, especially coming from behind his opponent is spectacular, no doubt, but this action causes many contacts to the head area which is not called and it is often in the paint.

Protecting the scorer – Too many times, the player going to the rack, either for a lay-up or dunk is contacted, left sprawled on the floor with head contact or has received a whack to the head while making a post move and this action is not penalised.

I realise many times players flop, so this issue in itself is one that I believe has developed over time because contact isn’t called in the first place, but flopping shouldn’t be allowed either, so my issue here is cause and effect (one creates the other in some instances, but not most).

There will be other instances, I am just bringing these up, off the top of my head (pun intended), for discussion.

My point is that no head protection device will change what happened to Matty Knight and will potentially happen to others unless the actual cause of this issue isn’t addressed. At least we need to talk about it openly, honestly and with common sense intent.

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Luuuc  
Years ago

"First go study what concussion actually is. Its the brain bruising inside the skull. Helmets do not prevent the impact causing the brain to bounce around. Helmets prevent cuts and abrasions to the head, they do nothing to stop the damage inside of the skull from the brain hitting the inside of the skull."

That doesn't stack up to me. That's like saying shock absorbing soles in running shoes don't reduce wear & tear on the feet & legs.
The hard part of a helmet is just mechanical protection, but proper padding absorbs shock and thereby increases the time over which the force is transferred to the head, i.e it reduces the acceleration/g-force on the brain.
I agree it's not a "solution" as such, but IMO there's no doubt that it would help to some degree.
(it may also hurt more than it helps of course, if wearing a helmet results in players playing more recklessly)

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Bear  
Years ago

@Luuuc, your feet and legs don't have fragile brain tissue swimming in liquid mate with billions of electron-neurons, totally different situation, the two are not even close to being compared, please...

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Luuuc  
Years ago

I'm obviously not comparing the fragility of a bone to a brain, I'm just saying it's wrong to claim that a helmet does nothing to reduce the impact.

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Bear  
Years ago

I will try to make it really simple.

A helmet does little to nothing to reduce the effects of impact to the brain, it can however reduce the effects of impact injury to the skull.

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Anonymous  
Years ago

The Zurich conference specific to concussion released a consensus statement that although biomechanical studies have shown helmets have helped reduce the impact forces on the skull these results have not translated to a reduction in the incidence of concussion.

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Anonymous  
Years ago

Ban the charge when 2 players are facing each other and allow the defense a little more hand checking or a forearm on the hip when driving.

Stopping in front of someone when they are running forward (especially when the player on offense doesn't have the ball) isn't skillful, isn't what the crowd are interested in seeing and is a good way of taking a heavy hit to the back of the head when falling to the ground.

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Anonymous  
Years ago

#712 as a defender I am entitled to a spot on the floor not already occupied.

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Anonymous  
Years ago

The newest one. Rachel Jarry.

http://www.theage.com.au/sport/act-sport/wnbl-rachel-jarry-concussed-in-canberra-capitals-win-over-dandenong-rangers-20171209-h01snc.html
She's only had 6 concussions so clearly thats a lie and with 3 already in one seaon and a 3 week lay off shes had another one.
How about people fail to understand that 3 in one season is about 4 too many and she should be stood down for the rest of this season.
The medicos are clearly idiots. Rachel please sue their arse off.

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Anonymous  
Years ago

Why should the medicos be sued, Jarry is a functioning adult, she can read and comprehend the consequences of Taki g the court again after a concussion, it's called saying "NO".
It’s not being forced on her to play, it’s a choice she’s making, just like any other person who is concussed,they are told what can happen, and after so many times suffering from concussion, she should know better. Time she hung up the boots, she’s a liability to herself and her team, imagine if the next concussion does permena t damage, it’s not just Jarry who has to deal with it, but also the poor player involved

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Waves2Lynx  
Years ago

Interesting discussion. I think this is going to be an issue where in fifty years time we'll look back on and wince at what we allowed to happen in a similar manner to cricketers facing 150km/f fast bowling without helmets now.

It is a worry that it's the impacts, no matter the protection, that are causing the problem. We really need a shift in culture and focus if it's ever going to change. Also ways to figure out CTE that doesn't involve autopsies.

To follow on about what Bear said an people always wanting to watch sport, I think that's true, definitely for me but my position is I don't want people killing themselves for my entertainment. Which outlaws most pugilistic endeavours now and definitely American Concussion ball. If football or basketball becomes "toned down" then I'll still watch it because it will still be top competitors competing equally against each other.

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Anonymous  
Years ago

Go idea the saying NO theory. Coaches pressure their players in all sports and saying no means losing your spot in the side. Not that easy. She probably has every right to sue and should probably do that. Clearly their protocols for her returning to play are poor. The first concussion 1 week out.2nd one at least 2 weeks out. Then she should be told no you can't play. The decision should never ever be the players.

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Anonymous  
Years ago

I love it when random anons come here claiming to have all the answers that science doesn't even have yet. I'm overwhelmed by all the credibility.

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Anonymous  
Years ago

I love it when randoms that have no clue come here and post inane stupid comments based on no experience with the issues concerned.
I for one have been dealing with concussion across many sports for a long time and the science and proof are there. Do some research before making totally unqualified opinions on something you clearly don't know anything about.

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Anonymous  
Years ago

The latest here.
http://www.theage.com.au/sport/act-sport/wnbl-opals-coach-sandy-brondello-urges-canberra-capitals-rachel-jarry-to-put-health-first-20171210-h01za5.html

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Anonymous  
Years ago

this knock to the face she received was not because of 'hard nosed defense'. it was a tap from Richardson as she tried to flick the ball out of Jarrys hands, it certainly wasn't a rough hard collision. which is a very worrying sign if thats all its taken to bring about a concussion

really hope she thinks long and hard about her return

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Anonymous  
Years ago

Blanchfield out another week. Sensible.

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Anonymous  
Years ago

isnt Lavey out with concussion too

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