Manu Fieldel
Earlier this month

New NBA x NBL concept

Imo the next step for NBA x NBL should be an NBA team v NBL All-star team.

Thoughts?

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J  
Earlier this month

Players that dont play with each other could be worse. I think if we play bad nba teams like the suns it is likely to be closer, more often, but you probably want to play good teams

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Manu Fieldel  
Earlier this month

Aka an NBA team v Taipans

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Manu Fieldel  
Earlier this month

Got in quick, J.

It is pre-season though so teams aren't as fluent as they would normally be anyway

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Anonymous  
Earlier this month

An NBL all star team thrown together at the last minute would get beaten by a lot more than a normal NBL team.

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Anonymous  
Earlier this month

Should look to playing the lower teams over a week in Hawaii if the nba would be happy, only chance of ever getting close. To much depth and athleticism in nba.

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Anonymous  
Earlier this month

Three teams have got close in 10 games and another two have been close before the margin blowing out late. I think it's fine the way it is, most of the time the NBA teams get a competitive and intense pre-season work-out, while the NBL builds cred with most of the performances.

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rjd  
Earlier this month

NBL All-star idea might help counter depth issues, but chemistry and lack of identity will make it boring. To counter depth, I'd prefer a tag-team with 2 NBL teams vs 1 NBA team.

The current setup is best. NBL teams can always introduce ring-ins like United did last year.

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hoopie  
Earlier this month

Can't see it happening, sorry - we are too far behind in skill, athleticism and entertainment value. Where we have an advantage is in teamwork, hard work, and we play a different style of game to what NBA players are used to.

FWIW, I think our results weren't too bad - we can certainly compete with the lower NBA teams:
Melbourne United v Philadelphia 76ers 84-104, with the NBA team cruising for most of the game
Perth Wildcats v Utah Jazz 72-130, ditto
Sydney Kings v LA Clippers 91-110, in a game that was closer than the scoreboard suggests
NZ Breakers v Phoenix Suns 86-91, ditto
Melbourne United v Toronto Raptors 82-120, where Raptors were missing significant stars and Melbourne competed but were outclassed
Perth Wildcats v Denver Nuggets 88-96, where Cotton scored 33
Adelaide 36ers v Utah Jazz 99-129, where Sobey scored 25

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ME  
Earlier this month

People are talking quite disparagingly about the concept after today, which is surprising. Perth gave Denver a close one, Adelaide was there for 40 minutes, and Melbourne... well yeah... Melbourne sucked. But we have four games this series - Sydney, New Zealand, Perth's Second, and Adelaide, that were particularly competitive and very useful for both the leagues and teams involved. Why do we need to change what we're doing? I'd say last few games have justified the format, win or lose.

I had some full on NBA guys watching the Adelaide game and telling me they plan to catch more Sixers games now. Isn't that the kind of thing this is all about in the end?

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56  
Earlier this month

The idea of pre season is for teams to find form leading inri the season. Changing anything to an all nbl or all nba team would be horrible as it doesnt help the teams get ready for a season.

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Anonymous  
Earlier this month

Haters gonna hate.
It's a great thing for the NBL and the players. 5 years ago I never would have thought this would be happening so soon. Just because some great NBA teams win big doesn't make the idea a failure.

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Anonymous  
Earlier this month

And on topic I think it is better kept as a true club vs club thing. The point is preparation for our teams. As someone said above it might even be worse sending all stars because there would be no familiarity and chemistry.

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Anonymous  
Earlier this month

Rio De Janeiro Flamingo lost to Orlando by 37. Let's not throw our clubs under the bus

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Anonymous  
Earlier this month

Even with imports these games are blowouts, most of them.
Ditch the imports to showcase Aussie talent.

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Anonymous  
Earlier this month

Even with imports these games are blowouts, most of them.
Ditch the imports to showcase Aussie talent.

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Manu Fieldel  
Earlier this month

Cotton
Randle
Hall
Wiley
Bogut

Ware
Webster
Goulding
Wesley
Boone

Regardless of the chemistry, that team is a problem. I feel like it'll be a fun match-up. NBA teams are taking our teams out of their comfort zone anyway. This NBL team offers a bunch of bailout options and there is playmaking in numerous positions.

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Manu Fieldel  
Earlier this month

Then again, our best players are imports and the point is to sell Australia, so could defeat the purpose

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Anonymous  
Earlier this month

Agreed Manu

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Anonymous  
Earlier this month

Ok, from a reasonable sample now, we've established that on balance, the NBA teams are 30 - 40 points better. Not going to change anytime soon. No need for any more games, just flogging the point.

Maybe play some decent European club teams?

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Anonymous  
Earlier this month

The NBL is pretty much the NCAA of Australia, with an even smaller % of players getting in, they simply bypass the NBL.
To truly expand why not have an Australian team in the NBA, similar to Toronto/NBA or New Zealand/NBL.
The NBA could expand to have an Asian Pacific team, African, European and Russian.

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Anonymous  
Earlier this month

The average margin has been in the 20-25 range with 4 of the 10 games genuinely competitive and a 5th one today very competitive for 3 quarters. Hard to argue it hasn't been worthwhile and isn't worth continuing because NBL teams will only get better for the experience.

As it is they've been just as competitive as Euroleague teams have been in the US, it's tough doing the travel and playing different rules and court markings. When NBA teams had to travel over the pond there were a lot more close games and quite a few Euroleague wins.

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Big Ads  
Earlier this month

26 years ago I could only dream of Australia getting within 30 points of a USA Olympic team comprising NBA superstars, now we talk of possible miracle wins.

NBL teams playing against NBA teams and getting with single digits was also a flight of fantasy, now I am watching in hope an NBL team might actually beat an NBA team as inconceivable that might seem.

We love this game for the escapism and Larry Kestelman and his team are making dreams a possible reality.

Keep it going, I find it more inspiring to see our teams giving their best against the best than watching teams from other Asia/Oceania competitions getting smashed by NBL teams in pre-season games.

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Hoopie  
Earlier this month

I would love to see a few mini-tournaments before our season, each consisting of 2 or 3 NBA teams, 1 Euro team and 1 NBL team, playing some round-robin games and then a final between the top 2 teams.

That way, we'd have time to find our feet, play at least 2 NBA teams and maybe a top Euro team.

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Anonymous  
Earlier this month

Reason NBA teams would like these games is they get to play against teams with a system in place, not just something thrown together. Otherwise they'd just play against a g league all star team. Plus fans want to see their team play not other players. Would like to see a 2 game series though, just if any adjustments could be made.

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cavolo  
Earlier this month

Remember lads, this is not about NBL teams beating NBA teams, although would be nice and might happen once in the next ten years if we played multiple games each year, this is about boosting the visibility and strength of the NBL "product", nothing more, nothing less IMO.

Every time LK mentions the league now his buzz word is “product”. It's all about making the league as financially strong and successful through marketability, sponsors, tv rights etc etc.

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ME  
Two weeks ago

"Even with imports these games are blowouts, most of them.
Ditch the imports to showcase Aussie talent.
"

Yeah, why don't we just throw out a SEABL team? The imports help make the NBL what it is. If you can't appreciate imports, you don't like the NBL, period.

"Ok, from a reasonable sample now, we've established that on balance, the NBA teams are 30 - 40 points better. Not going to change anytime soon. No need for any more games, just flogging the point."

Most games have been lost by less than that. And I don't think you see the point of the games in the first place, so of course you think it's flogging the point. The point was never to figure out how much worse than the NBA we are, but I'll allow you to figure out for yourself what the point actually is.

"To truly expand why not have an Australian team in the NBA, similar to Toronto/NBA or New Zealand/NBL.
The NBA could expand to have an Asian Pacific team, African, European and Russian."

Why not catch a herd of unicorns and race them as well while you're at it?

"
NBL teams playing against NBA teams and getting with single digits was also a flight of fantasy, now I am watching in hope an NBL team might actually beat an NBA team as inconceivable that might seem.

We love this game for the escapism and Larry Kestelman and his team are making dreams a possible reality.

Keep it going, I find it more inspiring to see our teams giving their best against the best than watching teams from other Asia/Oceania competitions getting smashed by NBL teams in pre-season games.

"

Yep, whether or not NBA plays benches or not, it would have been inconceivable but the games be in any way competitive not that long ago, now we're winning quarters, doing certain tangible things better, I don't think anyone can genuinely say that our results have not improved from year one to year two.


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Anonymous  
Two weeks ago

Almost all the games where the NBL team has had a full team have been reasonably close. Generally, when they are missing a good player or two it's way too hard to stay close to an NBA team who have more than enough depth to cover some outs.

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Anonymous  
Two weeks ago

@ME

TL;DR

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PeterJohn  
Two weeks ago

"This series has been a resounding success and again underlined the enormous strength of the NBL and Australian basketball," NBL owner Larry Kestelman said.

I think that's an accurate summary. Replicate the success of the current model and look for incremental ways to improve on it. Don't even think about blowing it up and doing something totally different.

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Camel 31  
Two weeks ago

many times i often thought about 48 minute nbl games ...because my team , the adelaide 36ers were pretty deep and 40 minutes ....not enough....
now our bench is weak ....so 40 minutes would be sufficient.....

actually i would like to see just one (1) game nba v nbl next preseason at 40 minutes... would be kinda interesting to watch ... in particular 36ers who go uptempo then were fatigued last qtr of their game.....
although jazz started slowly then go going .. still , just one game to see it at 40minutes....

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Anonymous  
Two weeks ago

So... you want the rules changed.... depending on how Adelaide structures its team...

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Camel 31  
Two weeks ago

some sports play shorter games in preseason.... i just wanted to see a little bit more of deng drmic moore etc. previously... finding minutes was pretty hard ,then

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Hogwash  
Two weeks ago

48mins on their turf that's fine with me.
If ( a big if) an NBA team came here then they would play 40mins.

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Anonymous  
Two weeks ago

Correct Hogwash. When NBA teams play in Europe it is under FIBA rules and 40 minutes.

The next step and the end game for LK is to try and get an NBA team to play over here.

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AD  
Two weeks ago

Maybe we should ask for teams comprised of only G-League and 2-way players, but branded as their NBA affiliate, to come over here and play.

That way it would be a good experience for everyone.

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Anonymous  
Two weeks ago

AD - WTF type of suggestion is that? Oh wait you're Dazz. Carry on (please actually don't).

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FM  
Two weeks ago

One thing is for certain for most of the people on here:
1. This is the year that Perth don't make the finals and the end of Gleeson, and
2. Sixers won’t make the finals.

End of the year, reality will hit. Sixers and Perth making up the four and hoops posters dusting off their comments ready to repeat their predictions for 19/20 season.

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Anonymous  
Two weeks ago

Games played in Europe are not under
Fiba rules. Nba only ever plays against euroleague teams under nba rules. If you don't believe it any if the games can be seen on YouTube and all of them are played under nba rules. In fact they never played under fiba rules even in the 80s and 90s they played under mixed rules. Since 2003 every game between nba and euroleague was played with nba rules.

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Anonymous  
Two weeks ago

They were played under mixed rules for the first 20-odd years under FIBA. When Euroleague was created they agreed to play under NBA rules.

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Anonymous  
Two weeks ago

Well that's weak. So the Euro teams who have won in recent years had to play under foreign rules. Makes those wins even more legit.

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Anonymous  
Two weeks ago

NBL vs Euroleague would be awesome

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Crock  
Two weeks ago

Would be very interesting.

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