anonymous
Last month

Victoria Senior Elite League

Its official! What's everyone's thoughts?

http://basketballvictoria.com.au/foundation-licences-announced-for-basketball-victorias-new-league/

VICTORIAN MANAGED - SENIOR ELITE LEAGUE – 2019 FOUNDATION TEAMS

Albury-Wodonga
Ballarat
Bendigo
Basketball Australia Centre of Excellence
Dandenong
Diamond Valley
Eltham
Frankston
Geelong
Hobart
Kilsyth
Knox
Melbourne Tigers
North West Thunder / Launceston (co-licencees)
Nunawading
Ringwood
Sandringham
Waverley

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Perthworld  
Last month

Super V
Big V
SCM

?

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Anonymous  
Last month

Interestingly no teams in the West of Melbourne

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Anonymous  
Last month

Interestingly no teams in the West of Melbourne

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Bear  
Last month

Yes anon^, has been mentioned many times, I guess we will see how the system works itself out, promotion and relegation? Now that we are in a State League (of sorts) I imagine State Champ level teams will have an opportunity to replace under performing Elite League teams.

Is there any scope for the word Basketball in the new league's title I wonder, or is it still too early and this has already been mooted?

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Bear  
Last month

VSEBL?
Victorian State Elite Basketball League

Just a guess, probably not a good one but eh, worth a shot...

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Anonymous  
Last month

Well, it's not really a Victorian State League when it includes teams from outside of Victoria. More of a South Eastern basketball league. Maybe they could name it something like the South East Australian Basketball League? (that's a joke btw....)

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Shayno  
Last month

Tas teams will have to rebrand, mt gambier not in, a few teams will have to get way better real quick or will be a lopsided league.

Its a big gamble league

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Anonymous  
Last month

Other associations aren't big enough yet.
Bulleen the only one I can think of that's missing.
Maybe Casey and southern penn.

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Anon  
Last month

Interesting now to see the make up of leagues underneath - SC, D1 & D2, hopefully teams that have both Men & Women and have good sustainability will make up SC.

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Reality  
Last month

Werribee have the venue and massive growth in junior numbers/teams happening but perhaps its still a year or two away from having the club infrastructure to compete with the larger SE Melb clubs but they are the one club i thought would be in based on area/population/future.

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Anon  
Last month

So SCM would look like - hawthorn, casey. Werribee, Corio Bay, Mckinnon, Hume City, Kielor, Blackburn, Chelsea & Shepparton, though would be about time Warrnambool went up. No other team really deserves being in that group, the rest are D1 & d2 standard.

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.  
Last month

would mt gambier move to SA Premier league ?

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Reality  
Last month

Mount's only option is really SA Premier League as can't see them or Big v having them in SCM/D1 plus that step down would gut the playing roster considerably

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Anonymous  
Last month

Surely they cant run a 'State Championship Mens' comp with only 10 teams

Warnambool and Bulleen have both previously played State Championship Men so are logical suggestions to go up

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Anonymous  
Last month

If Mt Gambier have a Victorian CBL team then there is no reason why they cant have a Big V team. There had been talk 6/7 years ago about them joining Big V

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Anonymous  
Last month

Shepparton was once a powerhouse in SCM, hope they can get back to that!

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Greggo  
Last month

Warrnambool and Bulleen? Where are they magically getting players from?

Bulleen were average and Warrnambool snuck into finals with Sobey.

I'd suggest Chelsea, Keysey and Shep would be the possible SCM teams due to growth/ performance/ location/ money.

As per the future up and coming 'Elite' level teams outside of the east I'd say Keilor are making leaps toward that, Werribee is solid and a few years down Sunbury and Melton could be pushing (growth areas and solid associations).

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Anonymous  
Last month

Westernport should be in that mix

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Anonymous  
Last month

Greggo Bulleen have more money than any other D1M club

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Anonymous  
Last month

Promotion/relegation thoughts:
- there is only one league. This is not a division of the BigV
- clubs must have men and women teams
- clubs have licences to play in the Elite League, not BigV

Too many people think only of the men's side or the women's side of competitions - must think of clubs, not teams. Will probably work by mutual arrangement between a club and the league to defer/return their licence in extreme circumstances.

Promotion/relegation is an ordinary concept and we should scale it back instead of increasing its use. Most BigV movement occurs outside this system anyway.

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Shayno  
Last month

http://pioneersbasketball.com.au/2018/11/01/media-release-pioneers-not-granted-entry-into-new-elite-competition/

Brutal!!

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Anonymous*  
Last month

Shepparton won't go to SCM - my guess is the obvious Chelsea and then Keysey and Western Port making a 10 team league (providing Corio are relegated).
Big V better off merging div 1 and 2 and having an 18-team 2-conference league. It's much of a muchness anyway.

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Anonymous  
Last month

How about getting rid of Div 2 all together and while at it YL2M & W also.

Metro Teams can develop in MMBL and Country teams in CBL. State League should not be all about inclusion. Should be about a very competitive exclusive competition. Some games are glorified domestic.

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Anonymous  
Last month

Is it correct CoE can only play home games in Victoria?

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Anonymous  
Last month

Surely Victoria cannot continue to call SCM/SCW "State Championship" with the new league now taking precedence.

They would need to rename their structure. The Victorian ABA Conference at first did not assume the mantle of Victoria's state championship after the VBA was disbanded back whenever that was... but at some point BV did decide to recognise it as that status, and did so retrospectively if I call.

So now the new league must take that position on the various honour boards of the state you would think.

BTW, the VBA had a long and distinguished history, the stuff of legend in some cases (Albert Park, Wednesday nights etc etc....). The world didn't end after it finished.

And yawn to the Anon who yet again used the unoriginal phrase "glorified domestic"...

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Anonymous  
Last month

Westernport without Travers??

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Anonymous  
Last month

Yes bulleen have money, but they won't spend a cent on their senior teams

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LC  
Last month

Just PLEASE do not call it the "First Ever" League.

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Anonymous  
Last month

Bulleen have applied for SCM

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Anonymous  
Last month

for the CoE would this require them to have to travel every weekend for games ? Or would they base themselves for the season in the State Basketball Centre?

I heard the contract is up 2021 for Canberra to be the CoE headquarters and they had NBA Global invested a lot of cash into the facilities in Canberra too

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Anonymous  
Last month

Hearing that Keysy have also applied for SCM

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Anonymous  
Last month

Does anyone know what happens with SEABL records? Will games played etc carry over to this new league? Would be a shame if all of the history and records ended with SEABL.

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Anonymous  
Last month

Games and banners carry over

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Anonymous  
Last month

Chelsea have already been approved to move up to SCM. Detail was in their most recent import announcement

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PersonalFoul  
Last month

Revert back to the old Div 1 & Div 2 keep the Big V Name int he lower grades

Maybe call it the Southern Basketball League SBL holds its name if expanded further and includes tassie teams??

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Anonymous  
Last month

SBL is the name of the WA comp.

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Anon  
Last month

To play SC you MUST and should have Men's and Women's playing. Then you must have finances to prove you can stay in that league over many years not just one. It used to be that you had to have sustainability and have a good rep program, domestic program and your own permanent venue. SC should be promotion through winning GF and that you have either played the year before or have done so in the past. Why not let Monash and La Trobe Uni reapply and come back to the league, is not elite anymore!

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Anonymous  
Last month

Didn't Chelsea win Div 1 last year?
They should be in SCM

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Anonymous  
Last month

The new Victorian Elite League and BigV are two separate leagues. SCM, D1, D2 are divisions of BigV, not the new Elite League. SEABL is a another league again, but it has now dissolved, however records and history will move to the new Elite League. How about BigV discussions in BigV threads?

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Anonymous  
Last month

#713006

How about its perfectly reasonable to discuss the impacts of the new "Victorian" league on the existing "Victorian" league right here...

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ANON  
Last month

The "new" league is fir all since and purpose the same league as SEABL which means it has NO impact on BIGV at all
BogV will continue in its same vein as before
The new league is not even run by BIGV but by basketball Victoria, which brings the question in “why is the CofE in this new league?”

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Anonymous  
Last month

Would you have seabl discussions in a BigV thread? No.
NO need for cluttering up the new competition with what is really non relevant crud.

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Anonymous  
Last month

Booohoooooo wah wah wah
Big bunch of babies.
Triggered by the BIGV

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Anonymous  
Last month

Chelsea has not been notified like the rest. You presume they will be in SCM as they won Div 1 and applied to go up. As far as I am aware no other Big V Club has had the official word. Lets hope it real soon

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Anonymous  
Last month

"Colin will join Corey Standerfer at the Nest as the two imports for their men's team who will move up a division after winning last season’s Division One Men championship."

http://websites.sportstg.com/assoc_page.cgi?c=1-68-0-0-0&sID=60616&news_task=DETAIL&articleID=63575683

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Anonymous  
Last month

Derrrrr that's what happens with promotion and relegation. Pretty simple I would have thought

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Anonymous  
Last month

Keysy are too small to play state champ, at least Chelsea have the size to compete

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fubr  
Last month

Would be interesting to see Bulleen spend money on seniors. They have strong VJBL teams.

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Anonymous  
Last month

So whats all this fantasy stuff got to do with the topic?

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Anonymous  
Last month

How is Keysie to small to compete it's called signing players for the next year some of y’all are stupid I tell you. Skill and coaching trumps a lot of size. Plenty of teams where bigger and there players couldn’t wall and chew bubble gum at the same time let alone where ever good enough or could ever be good enough to play college basketball in America. But hey that good ole size gets you far now days that’s why so many teams are bad because they will take a 6"9 guy who sucks over a 6”7 guy who is way better.

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Anonymous  
Last month

Why on earth would Keysy get in over Bulleen? Bulleen are the biggest club outside of the new Premier league

Bulleen need to have a good hard look at themselves if they cant get back into SCM with this opportunity IMO

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Bear  
Last month

It's been announce, Bellarine has the Big V D1 Men & Women license from Geelong having to vacate it. Great news for the Bellarine Peninsula.

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Anonymous  
Last month

Being the biggest club doesn't matter if you don’t sign any players and have a terrible roster that compete why would they go up. They didn’t even make the playoffs in D1 so what makes you think they will compete in SCm if they didn’t sign any new players. Coaching and roster matters not size of the club.

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Anon  
Last month

Keysie don't have a womens program in senior and junior level nor domestic I hear, surely you must prove all these to show you are sustainable. Very good D1M team that's it. SC should be elite level.

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Anonymous*  
Last month

With Bellarine now in D1 (as stated above) will Corio's relegation conitnue?

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Anonymous  
Last month

Has there been any announcement in regards to the finer details such as season length which might affect the talent pool if it is extended into September on-wards i.e. NBL guys, overseas talent that can play in Vic Super V than elsewhere for Winter due to the larger array of options

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Anonymous  
Last month

NO. Nor have they explained how many imports will be allowed, nor that NBL players will be classified as imports. They haven't even got a game person in to run the competition yet. (All though advertised). Quinn isn't applying.

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Anonymous  
Last month

Essentially we expect to see a poorly executed start. They will just run it exactly how SEABL was run is my guess and make alterations for the next season or not at all

Classifying the NBL guys as imports would bring down the quality of the league, I believe SEABL's approach was the right balance we should encourage the NBL guys to want to stay and play local and support the development program here

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Anonymous  
Last month

Corio Bay Stingrays are in SCM announced over past days. Wishing them a great season and hope they over 2 year slump.

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Anonymous  
Last month

Corio Bay are a BigV team - wrong thread. Try "BigV 2019".

I would expect the import rules to be same as past with NBL players potentially restricted based on minutes played.

Would be surprising if they didn't have someone to run the league. Silly to advertise for only 3 or 4 days if you haven't already spoken to people.

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Anonymous  
Last month

Certainly no guarantees now that all teams will fill seabl quality teams fwih.

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Anonymous  
Last month

Can anyone shed any light on,

When there will be announcements as to the structure of the VSEL? Is there any likelihood of conferences?

Bigger teams are paying up to 5 or 6 players. Will all the teams pay at least some of their starters? If not, which are likely to not have the finances?

Thanks.

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Anonymous  
Last month

"will all of the teams pay at least some of their starters"

will be a joke of an "elite" competition if they dont! would have thought that if they dont they wont be competitive and will not have licence renewed.

would like to have disclosed some of the application that were successful and convinced BV that they would have competitive teams if they are not thinking of paying any starters!!!

whole process has been an absolute joke, beginning with BA. Thought BA were supposed to be about "growing" the sport. It seems that as a result of their decision there will be a significant down grade in the quality of the "2nd tier" competition in the country if clubs are thinking on basis of some of these comments.

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Anonymous  
Last month

Not sure why the word "Senior" is used either. Sounds like a Masters event.

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Anonymous  
Last month

"Bigger teams are paying up to 5 or 6 players. Will all the teams pay at least some of their starters? If not, which are likely to not have the finances?"

Melbourne Tigers would have had a smaller budget than Ringwood, but DV and Frankston would be higher. Then Sandy, Nuna, Kilsyth and Dandy would be higher again (maybe $70-80k). The country teams go big some years and not so big other years. Albury probably about the same, Ballarat and Bendigo probably more. NW Tassie are just under the big Melb teams ($60-70k). Hobart could have been anything this year - my speculation is that Moller might have been paid more than some entire teams.

The pre-2004 BigV days saw some teams able to compete without paying anyone anything (e.g. Blackburn, DV), but those days have long gone. Few Melbourne teams then had imports (or crowds to pay for imports). Drawing in players like Luke McMillan and Daryl Corletto saw teams start to tool up to compete. Waverley started investing a lot in seniors, Melbourne and Dandenong joined BigV and the landscape changed.

Some BigV clubs spend pretty hard to entice players away from SEABL for more money and they might have hefty player budgets. Some imports are cheap as they are not here to primarily play basketball and their salaries are not dictated by the minimum requirements. Some Aussies play for the fun of it. It's hard to know exactly, so we use a little inside knowledge and a little speculation.

Expect the teams from BigV to struggle to step up their player budgets in 2019 as they just agreed to pay an extra $15K just to join this new league. To quickly find anymore money for players would be very hard. I suspect Waverley would be the exception as they have had a track record of paying players well.

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Anonymous  
Last month

thats my point, they let clubs in who will struggle to compete in a financial sense but then left out one who had not trouble at all in competing. the top end seabl clubs will still put teams on the floor of the same sort of standard as they did in seabl if other dont or cant they wont be competitive and presumably get booted. it is ridiculous.

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Anonymous  
Last month

"Hobart could have been anything this year - my speculation is that Moller might have been paid more than some entire teams"
Dumbest quote of the year. Clearly you are simple guessing with no knowledge of what clubs really pay.

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Anonymous  
Last month

Geelong CEO Dean Anglin will be in charge of the new elite league

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Anonymous  
Last month

So you don't think Hobart offered something like $25K for Moller to leave Ballarat? That would have covered Melbourne's team last year.

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Anonymous  
Last month

Yeah the SEABL MVP Wilson played for free and Barlow and Trist. Go away.

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Anonymous  
Last month

Hooley was on the big money at Ballarat, Moller could've gone to nznbl but Anthony Stewart persuaded him to Hobart, obviously he got paid. Smart investment they won the competition.

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Anonymous  
Last month

Didn't Trist play for Frankston?

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Anonymous  
Last month

was anglin part of the lead on moving seabl away from BA, which ultimately lead to its demise? If so perhaps it is Basketball Victoria (the ultimately benefactors) rewarding him for those efforts?????

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Anonymous  
Last month

Brain fart sorry. Wilson Melb. Barlow Sabres and Trist Frankston. Oooooops.

Try Acouth and DKD. Certainly Melbourne had a small budget but I would be surprised if its wasn't a lot mote than $20k or so.

Moller was a key player with the Chargers as was Muo and Nichols all combining into a great championship unit. But their spend on players was still a lot less then some teams.

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Reality  
Last month

A few of the Big v teams had imports under the "Working Holiday" visa type as a work around on the Visa's required by SEABL.

Can't think the new league will let that happen any longer and will want all the imports of the the same sporting visa's

It will be interesting if the former SEABL clubs loose a few players to Wav/Ring etc as they are all in the same comp now so some of the old SCM clubs not only have money but the ability to be flexible with imports/fringe nbl level talent in getting them in the door.

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Anonymous  
Last month

Anglin is a good choice to lead the new league. Smart operator and knows what clubs want and need from the league. Hope he does well.

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Anonymous  
Last month

So Melbourne had three nbl players including the mvp (lol) and couldn't make the finals, probably hand the pay back that’s how they played for nothing.

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Anonymous  
Last month

Where will MVP Nelson Kirksey land? Will he stay with Hawthorn SCM or jump to the new elite league?

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Anonymous  
Last month

He sucked when he played for Kilsyth in the SEABL so who knows.

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Anonymous  
Last month

North West look in trouble to be competitive as do the Torns. Sharing games is a joke. 6 home (doubles) games each. Trying to recruit imports and Aussies with effectively 1/2 their gate takings.

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Anonymous  
Last month

Maybe Kirksey shows the difference between leagues. Did he win MVP at both SA Premier League and BigV SCM? And in between was sacked mideseason at SEABL.

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Anonymous  
Last month

Correct ^

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Anonymous  
Last month

not sure how Kirksey won the MVP, he is lazy. Doesn't work hard enough off the ball to get shots, and doesn't defend. His man would score as many as him..... maybe that's why he is so valuable, valuable to the opposition

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Melbourne Boy  
Last month

With the coaches giving 3-2-1 voting after each game this year in Big V, he would have received max votes because Hawthorn only really had role players around him.

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Anonymous  
Last month

shows how silly the "selection team" was with the elite competition. letting in nwt and torns but on a basis that makes it almost financially impossible for both and then leave out mount gambier (with a womens team) who had no such concerns. one wuld have liked to think that the selection team might have carried out some due dilligence (i guess never going to be donw in 3 days from submission deadline to announcement) pre determined outcome anyone??

not to worry though i hear that BA will be using the seabl funds to supplement the tassie teams and assist travel for vic teams (including those who made no contribution to the funds)

mt gambier appear destined for extinction..... what a disgrace BA.

the circumstances only get more laughable by the day.....why seabl which was highly successful (clubs wanting to join each year) and financially viable was disbanded makes less and less sense. only plausible reason seems to appease bv who were having a sook and ba pander to their every whim.

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Anonymous  
Last month

NWT will be a shadow of last season's finalist team.

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Anonymous  
Last month

Most Vic teams were sick of the high cost associated. Prior to BA advising they were pulling the pin after one more year the clubs were already discussing an exit plan. BA have been rubbish do not get me wrong but the writing had been on the wall for a while.

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Anonymous  
Last month

Daly was one of the keys in the Pioneers run of five grand finals. Any news on whether one of the teams will pick him up? Or Burdon or McDaniel?

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Anonymous  
Last month

Kirksey made a jump this year IMO compared to his Kilsyth stint. Committed to Hawthorn's free flowing system- and was able to score out of this flow rather than isolation.
Wrong topic but relevant: With Hawthorn finishing top 4 last year, and the top 3 leaving to SEL: i’d put Hawthorn as favourites in the SCM.

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Anonymous  
Last month

This league will be great. Seabl plus best big v champ teams. Don't get how it wouldn't be. Great imports will be in league and lets hope AUS players stay with it.

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Anonymous  
Last month

Yeah people will be lining up to see Eltham play.

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Anonymous  
Last month

depends the flavor of basketball you like ^^ They slow it down and run their sets. Almost like a spurs type of offence. They did have that high flying import who im sure put people in the stands.

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Reality  
Last month

The IP/@Anon who just compared Eltham to the Spurs should be banned from Hoops a month!

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Anonymous  
Last month

i get the vic clubs complaining about the equalisation payments but surely some open discussions between all seabl clubs this could have been easily resolved rather than back door underhanded tatics to get what they wanted. i guess doing it the other way would not have got rid of mount gambier (for the preference of four new vic clubs) which seems like it might have been the motivating factor.

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Reality  
Last month

Mount knew of such discussions in between the Melb Metro SEABL clubs as hose clubs are all under funding pressure from junior committees and strong competition from AFL for sponsors dollars.

Mount had no plan around women or the like to make sure they couldn't be punted if the change came about.

Instead now with a typical SA close minded attitude its all the big bad Victorians fault and boo hoo we aren't happy.

I loved the mount trip but everyone knew this was on the horizon in the next 3/5 years so yes BA pushed it through earlier than expected but still surely the club could have at least been looking at a womens team alot earlier!




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Anonymous  
Last month

I think you will find the clubs pushed it through after BA announced they would only administer the competition for 1 more year. So the clubs said stuff that and instigated it's demise immediately.

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Anonymous  
Last month

Reality.....need a name change to bs

Mount knew nothing of these discussion amongst the vic clubs to disband Seabl.

Mount were planning a women's team had begun such plannings a number of years previous.

Aware of funding pressures when teams solely funded from junior teams, perhaps why the Mount model is better as it is entirely self sufficient and should have been th e goal for vic clubs. Although when big vic clubs have playing membership bigger than the entire township of Mount understand how such a model can b difficult to emulate, just as difficult to comprehend for Mount that such vic clubs can address a shortfall by raising fees by a dollar per kid.

You suggest a typical sa attitude of whinging if you did have an understanding of the reality of what has occurred and it was to your club and they were now extinct I wonder how you might react.

You can’t justify or even come close to doing so what has happened to Mount it is simply disgraceful.

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Anonymous  
Last month

So far the competition hasn't even been endorsed by BA. It's going to be a struggle for some of the smaller clubs and the cash that is already on offer for players is ridiculous. It will become a very lopsided comp in the 1st season. Hardly good for anyone.

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Anonymous  
Last month

Mount told not in cos couldnt convince would have a competitive women's team yet above posts suggesting a number of teams in the league won’t be competitive the joke that this is continues. Perhaps ba are not going to sanction until the Mount are let into the league given the media release from coten that no team will be left out in the cold.

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Anonymous  
Last month

Kilsyth loading up already, it will be the have and have nots, after a few magnificent seabl season. Waiting to see who LJ attracts to Albury-Wodonga.

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Anonymous  
Last month

Every league is have and have nots.
Professionalism off the court helps get the product on the court.

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Huskypup  
Last month

MtG now in the Big V what a joke.

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Anonymous  
Last month

Kudos to the BigV for stepping up and providing Mount Gambier with a lifeline. Sad that they were abandoned by BA, and their own state representatives.

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Reality  
Last month

You'd think Mount would load up and try to dominate the SCM comp (which they should if they keep the core players from SEAB) to prove a point.

Its a massive joke that they will play in that comp and not the elite comp.

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Melbourne Boy  
Last month

Says a lot about the lack of flexibility of the SA comp.

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Anonymous  
Last month

Where you get information Mt in Big V SMC.Not as of last Sunday

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Anonymous  
Last month

They released article about them being invited by Basketball Victoria to play in Big V and build their women's team up so they can apply for elite league the following year.

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Anonymous  
Last month

mtg article doesnt say they are in big v just been invited to apply which they have. they might not be accepted which im guessing would be the certain death of the club.

you would hope the announcement comes soon as we are nearly at december, doesnt leave them alot of time to get a team together.

in respect of sa league doesnt say anything about its flexibility just says how shit it is. if mtg end up there they will stay for ever no chance of ever returning to to elite.

if they are allowed to play in in big v championship and dominate (which they probably will) you would think that would give them best chance to return to elite where they belong.

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PersonalFoul  
Last month

If they are offered the opportunity and chose not to its not BV fault its BA, and seems like they are cutting their nose to spite the face

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Huskypup  
Last month

Tassie in trouble.

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Anonymous  
Last month

Mtg have just been given opportunity to apply for big v. They have taken up the opportunity
. Now they wait to see if accepted.

If by tassie teams being in trouble you are referring to the club with just a men's team and the other club with just a women’s team I think the only ones who didnt think the would both struggle after the stupid decision to make them play double headers and thus halving income was BV and Ba. Why not just play games as they all ways had.

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Anonymous  
Last month

Albury Wodonga Banditssigned American guard Ken-Jah Bosley , He played last summer at Kentucky Thoroughbreds (NAPB) in the U.S.
The list of the past achievements is quite long as among others Bosley's college team won G-MAC Tournament for two years in a row (2016 and 2017). He was also voted All-G-MAC 1st Team in 2014, 2015 and 2017.
Bosley graduated from Kentucky Wesleyan College in 2017 and it will be his second season as a professional player.

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Anonymous  
Last month

Signing announcements have been pretty quiet so far. Bosley looks like a good pick up for the Bandits.

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Anonymous  
Last month

So far there is no competition until BA endorses one.

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Anonymous  
Last month

why cant there be a competition even if ba dont endorse it??

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Anonymous  
Last month

It has to be an authorised BA competition. Pretty sure it affects players ability to play in other authorised competitions. Someone will explain it better than me I am sure.

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Anonymous  
Last month

Mount Gambier
City in South Australia

Yes I feel for players but !!!!

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Anon  
Last month

You certainly know your geography. Hobart Launceston and yes North West all in Tasmania. BTW the players are important in this but more so a whole community that has supported their team for 30 years. Average 800 per game over recent seasons and by far the most successful program over recent years. Doesn't matter which way you look at it the Pioneers have been dealt a savage and possibly a mortal blow. If you don't "get this" you have never been passionate about any sporting club. Travesty!

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Anonymous  
Last month

Why wouldn't BA endorse this league? This is exactly why they disbanded SEABL.

If you think they're going to disband the league because they want strong state leagues and then not endorse the exact competition that they wanted then you're delusional.

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Anonymous  
Last month

No one has said they won't endorse the comp. They haven't so far. Typical of BA's fumblingThunder are in trouble. Torns too. Possibly Chargers as well.

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Anonymous  
Last month

So Mt Gambier's application to play Big V has been rejected now too. Could be the death knell for the Pioneers. Real shame for everyone involved.

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Anonymous  
Last month

Wow. Will Tassie get in? Trouble in Tassie.

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Anonymous  
Last month

Sounds to me like the solution is for Mt Gambier is join the SA league. And the SA league to step up and support clubs operating in their state.

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PersonalFoul  
Last month

Talk of Huskies going to NZNBL

Pioneers not in Big V ??? where was this mentioned?

Sounds like SA should maybe start supporting hoops in its own state, who knows there might be some talent up there.

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Anonymous  
Last month

Mt Gambier announced it on their Facebook page this morning.

MEDIA RELEASE
Pioneers 'Big V' application Denied.

The Pioneers Basketball Club Board received notice early Monday that their application for Basketball Victoria's 'Big V’ competition was not considered.

Mount Gambier were presented with the opportunity to apply for Basketball Victoria’s "Big V" by the competition’s Senior Representative Commission (SRC).

The Pioneers application was also supported by Basketball Australia as being a positive way forward for the club after their application for the Senior Elite Competition was denied.

The Board of Basketball Victoria have over ruled the SRC’s consideration of the Pioneers application, advising that the BV board did not wish to change state-wide By-Laws to accept a non-Victorian affiliated entity into their state league competition.

“The news that our application wasn’t considered is hugely disappointing, once again we have been hugely let down by Basketball Australia’s decision to relinquish the SEABL competition” President Tom Kosch said. “As a board we are forced toward the realisation that a sustainable and suitable competition for our basketball club may not exist”.

The Pioneers Basketball Club’s future has been unknown since Basketball Australia (BA) announced the organisation would abandon its administration of SEABL in mid-August.

The Pioneers Board met on Monday night to discuss a plan moving forward and will provide a further update for the community in coming days.

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Anonymous  
Last month

Pretty disappointing. I can understand BV are looking out for themselves and their members, and it's not undersonable for BV to decline to change their By-Laws for a single club from another state.

However, given they've accepted teams from TAS into the new Elite League (also administered by BV) without changing the By-Laws, why would they need to in order to consider or accept Mount Gambier's application?

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Anonymous  
Last month

From what I understand you don't need to be a Victorian affiliated association to join the Elite League because it's being run by BV, not Big V.

Big V's rules state that you have to be a Victorian affiliated association to enter teams in a Big V competition so there's a big difference.

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John  
Last month

Then BSA now need to step up.
It bewilders me how they can deny them entry to the SA Premier League, when they are a member Association of BSA, just because they are so far away. I'm not from SA, but I'm assuming that's where it is stopping ?

Wish Big V would have reconsidered, would have happily watched them when over this way. And they'd add some quality to SC considering the teams that have departed.

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Reality  
Last month

It makes sense for Big V to not alter the by laws for a team that openly stated it would move use the league as a stepping stone to move on in a year or two.

BSA need to step up or its over for the Pioneers and the Lakers will be the only team in town...could have a strong CBL team!



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Anon  
Last month

Hey Reality! Pioneers doing exactly what they were instructed to do by BA and BVic with a view to play and step up, the same as many Championship teams would/should be trying to do. Looking at your posts show that you have very little knowledge or real understanding of the situation.

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Anonymous  
Last month

Will any Pioneers players get offers from VSEL teams?

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Anonymous  
Last month

You say they wanted state leagues please explain how the elite league is a state league when there are teams from three states????

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Anonymous  
Two weeks ago

15 round competition
8 team finals
Single finals games
All games live-streamed
GF at State Centre

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Anonymous  
Two weeks ago

Gotta love the enthusiasm of the Victorian Senior League. That's the first joke.
The competition hasn't been formalised yet we now have a draw.
There is every chance that 2 Tassie teams may be out.

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Anonymous  
Two weeks ago

Have heard one of the Tassie teams may not go ahead in the new league due to finances. Would think the new league would then take one of the applicants from Big V who missed out.

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Anonymous  
Two weeks ago

Would leave SCM with only 8 teams. Hardly a comp

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Melbourne Boy  
Two weeks ago

There shouldn't even be a CM, this will probably be the last year of it anyway. The league just wanted to soften the blow to the teams who just made it up to the so called "top tier". Not long before it just becomes Elite League, Division 1, Division 2 in Victoria.

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Anonymous  
Two weeks ago

How likely is it that a Tassie team will pull out?

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Anonymous  
Two weeks ago

Very likely!

Scm would then be best to merge with D1M and have 22 teams in 2 conferences.

Makes sense. Obviously if teams that didn't make finals are complaining they missed out on SCM they think they could be playing that level

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Melbourne Boy  
Two weeks ago

Or Bacchus Marsh enter the league in 2020 and there's 18 teams in Elite, 18 teams in Div 1 and 18 teams in Div 2.

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Anonymous  
Two weeks ago

The NWBU fund the local comp and players that essentially "play for free" for The Thunder.
It's been suggested that their competition will be run this season on Tuesday and Friday. Thereby making many Thunder players unavailable for this new competition. Coupled with 1/2 the number of home games, double headers and having to split the income the Thunder will be under the pump. So to the Torns.

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anonymous  
Two weeks ago

Unlikely that any SCM team would want to step up now if a Tassie team pulls out.
Recruiting and planning would have changed since teams have been announced.
Although seeing some of the VSEL team lists, they aren't much stronger than a SCM team at the moment.

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Anonymous  
Two weeks ago

I'm sure Casey would jump at the opportunity.

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Anonymous  
Two weeks ago

Casey already in talks about it.

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Fastbreak  
Two weeks ago

Mount Gambier Pioneers may be available to fill that spot!

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Anonymous  
Two weeks ago

Lol

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Anonymous  
Two weeks ago

Torns have already asked ;)

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Anonymous  
Two weeks ago

Things seem pretty quiet on the recruiting front for this time of year.

Albury/Wodonga seem to be the only ones making announcements at the moment with another one last night. Cirkook Riak from the QBL.

Anyone have any other news?

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Anonymous  
Two weeks ago

Ringwood signed import Joey Miller, played d league for knicks. Looks to be a solid pg/sg

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Anonymous  
Two weeks ago

Joey Miller played in the 4th tier in Italy before his dad, the coach of the Knicks G-League team, brought him on. Hardly at that level as a player.

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Anon  
Two weeks ago

AGM has come and gone, no more changes to divisions assured, teams have already started rosters and recruiting/delisting. Will be looked at for 2020

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Reality  
Two weeks ago

So any other signings? The teams/league are all locked in for 2019 so be interesting to see if they attract players from interstate and the level of imports in the new comp

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Anonymous  
Two weeks ago

Article released stating the Southern Huskies will have starting 5 of Moller, Bragg, Mathiang, Froling, and import.

What players are left for Hobart and North-West to get?

Also President of Hobart states in interview that BTas hasn't signed off in Tassie Clubs playing in Victoria Elite League.

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PersonalFoul  
Two weeks ago

HOLY SH!T that looks amazing on paper.

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Anonymous  
Two weeks ago

That side above is wrong.

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Anonymous  
Two weeks ago

https://www.theadvocate.com.au/story/5795548/bragg-prepared-for-huskies-opportunity

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Anonymous  
Two weeks ago

Who will replace Hobart?

Will other tassie teams be forced to pull out as well? If so who replaces them?

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Anonymous  
Two weeks ago

Not looking to elite anymore, no mount gambier or Hobart, at least a vic club will have a win.

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Anonymous  
Two weeks ago

There will be no replacement team. Sorry Casey and Hume City. Email from BV to clubs today.

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Anonymous  
Two weeks ago

This whole thing is an epic balls up.

BigV if had any ambition would re brand immediately to the 'Big South' League and get the TAS and MT G in.

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Anonymous  
Two weeks ago

SNAFU.

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ANON  
Two weeks ago

"Not looking to elite anymore, no mount gambier or Hobart, at least a vic club will have a win."


It's called “Victorian Elite “ for a reason..... doesn’t need a tad die or SA team to make it elite buddy lol

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Anonymous  
Two weeks ago

With clubs such as Diamond Valley, Melbourne Tigers, Eltham, Frankston, Sandringham, Waverley etc she may be titled Victorian Elite but it's not going to be very elite in product.

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Anonymous  
Last week

Its not a lack of ambition I think from the BigV it always comes down to cost for teams to travel and spend money on players.

I agree the game day product is pretty poor in SCM, Eltham were ok during the finals series but, when you thin about Nunawadings light show and the tasmania teams NBL style stadiums it just compare to an elite league.

Clubs need to step up in the product they produce as well as the team, and I will say right now ITS NOT HARD OR EXPENSIVE simple lighting or sound systems along with encouraging juniors to attend games is a winner for everyone!

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Anonymous  
Last week

One way to get juniors and their families to attend and create a good vibe is to get their senior players involved with the junior teams. I know if a couple of clubs doing this with great results with one club having half about 5 or 6 of their players coaching or helping out with teams. Creates a good family culture.

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Anonymous  
Last week

Albury/Wodonga still leading the way with player signing announcements. Mitchell Newton returning.

Any news from the other teams at all?

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(none)  
Last week

Any word on the league name or even a home website?

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Anonymous  
Last week

All of this carry on about Mt Gambier, perhaps they should join the SA Elite League, after all that's the actual State they are based in !!

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Anonymous  
Last week

Except SA doesn't have an Elite State League. But rather a metro club competition that won’t accept them.

How many times does this need to be said!

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Anonymous  
Last week

^ are you sure about that #943?

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Anonymous  
Last week

Maybe you can have a league name, but right now there wouldn't / can't be a draw because of the Tassie debacle.

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Anonymous  
Last week

One thing I have learned over this process is that the Victorian structure is different from other states (e.g. SA Premier not a State League and Tasmanian clubs not being associations).

I truly hope BV are not trying to impose their structure upon other states. We can see here how defensive people get when Victorians suggest their way to be the 'right' way.

It is important that we have diversity and allow different regions to put their slant on the game. The overall framework within Australia should be focused as much as possible on inclusion rather than finding reasons to exclude (disappointingly many recent examples).

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Anonymous  
Last week

Strange part is and barltet hasn't mentioned it but they thought they were compliant. Idiots.

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Bear  
Last week

Okay, I have to say there has been a bit of angst online about the change in our domestic basketball landscape since the announcements, firstly about SEABL and then the Senior Elite League and Big V State competition proposals.

Fair enough I guess, there has also been quite a few disappointments, some back flips, some questions still unanswered and of course we are not even into the 2019 calendar year yet and we are hearing about teams pulling out and speculation is rife, so no wonder people are throwing around all kinds of rash and sometimes controversial statements.

Let's all try and take a chill pill, step back for Christmas break (holidays if you want to call it that) and wait for some settling news to come forth from the organisers and the clubs ahead of the coming season and then try to assess how the whole thing will look, how it will work and where BA and BV think they want to direct this competition towards before we start to sound like a bunch of red necks fighting over the last turkey leg, shall we...

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Anonymous  
Last week

Well said Bear.

Now if we can just completely overlook a scrawny mob like Mt Gambier who will spend Christmas fighting for their survival, we can all settle down and enjoy our Chrissie pudding.

BA, BV and some seabl clubs have blood on their hands - or do you know better? If so, enlighten us please.

Oh, and have a Merry Xmas, and enjoy your chill time.

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Anonymous  
Last week

Chill time hardly.
Chargers now want back in. Believe it or not.

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Anonymous  
Last week

Geelong Super Cats Team list:

Demarcus Gatlin*
Second Import*
Malo Hicks
Nathan Friend
Liam McInerney
Nick Owusu
Michael Rebula
Lewis Varley
Cohen Blythe
Lewis Thomas-from Hobart

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TrumpD  
Last week

Bartlett has blown all chances of the Chargers getting back in. Take that to the bank.

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Anonymous  
Last week

Well said Bear. All involved should just relax, take a 'chill pill' and not worry that the Elite League has no name, no website, no fixture, and seemingly no direction at this point. I am sure the "organisers" have it all under control.

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Anonymous  
Last week

So Bear do you support any team in your local area?

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anonymous  
Last week

Not sure that the Geelong team looks all that strong. Second import will have to be very good.

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Hoops  
Last week

^^^ Very strong. That team will struggle mightily just as they did last year whenever John and Demarcus and a splash of Herbie weren't doing everything.

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Anonymous  
Last week

Geelong have signed AJ Williams as their second import. 5'10 point guard. Ordinary numbers in college but looks ok. Would be a budget signing you would think.

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Anonymous  
Last week

Albury/Wodonga making another big announcement tonight.

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Anonymous  
Last week

I've heard, not certain how true though
Pineau to tigers
Smith-Milner, Kilsyth
Hooley, Kilsyth .

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Bear  
Last week

Ahhhhhhhhhh, oh sorry anon (anons) likely the same anon I suspect, I have been away from this forum and taking a short time out.

Suggest you may be in need of the same!

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Anonymous  
Last week

Do you have anything to do with this new League at all?

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Anonymous  
Last week

Where will Sam McDaniel and Sam Daly play?

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Anonymous  
Last week

Albury/Wodonga have signed Nat Hurst. She will be awesome for them. Exactly what they need.

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Anonymous  
Last week

D Day for the Chargers future. If the Chargers won't endorse the Huskies to take over their teams then there will be no Chargers team in the new competition. Meeting of the Chargers Board at midday.

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Anonymous  
Last week

Just remember it's not about The Huskies Bartlett.

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TrumpD  
Last week

Bear who has no real involvement with the topic has walked. Bye Bear. Your advise was underwhelming. Thanks /outtahere

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Anonymous  
Last week

With a SGM looming the members need to vote the board out and take control back.

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