Kings sign import power forward Ray Turner
They've cut rookie Deng Acuoth to make way.
I guess he cuts into Pineau's minutes at the 5 behind Bogut. *shrug*
Looks like an undersized rebounder which is OK for the limited role he should play. Hopefully at the very least he has the length to contest on post ups on D, which is Pineau's biggest issue at the 5.
He will be better than Accouth so its an upgrade and a smart decision, always always always get the best 11 players you can afford.
He would be cheap so no one should be expecting MVP from him.
22p 11r in SEABL, 9p 6r in NCAA usually translates to something along the line of 8p 5r or better in the NBL if he gets enough minutes.
Aslong as he hustles and helps on the boards he is ok, and again he wont be worse than Accouth so even if he inst great its an upgrade.
Nothing to with the salary cap. Everything to do with these new Kings owners not wanting to shell out coin. Wear should have been gone weeks ago and a legit 4-5 replacing him. Turner is a 5-10 min guy at most. Pineau just doesn't have the strength or size to be a proper Bogut backup. Turner will take Pineau’s minutes instead. But he doesn’t move the needle much, if at all.
Stats are stats, but here are Pineau's up against Turner;
At least Turner has a chance to score, Pineau's scoring numbers even at that level are very low. Surprised they even brought him back.
I dont think anyone is saying its a star or huge signing
Its a great signing as its an upgrade on their roster, as he is likely better than Accoth and Pinau, which gives them a nice upgrade on their roster and front court rotation by bringing Turner in for Acouth.
"At least Turner has a chance to score, Pineau's scoring numbers even at that level are very low. Surprised they even brought him back."
When the Kings finished last season very strong, on the back of their defence improving a heap, Pineau played a really important role in that as a big who could defend the on-ball, it was a no brainer to bring him back.
Pineau was basically the Moller of last season - a bright patch down the stretch of what was an otherwise disappointing year. I think he has a place in the NBL and I like his energy, but he shouldn't be playing the 5 spot and really needs to develop a jumper to get more minutes.
You won't see Turner in the nbl next season.
Hopefully the kings new management try find some local and stick with them. Naar at Illawarra, Jurlina at Cairns as dp, kings dp last season and surely as good as Wilson, but not Melbourne tigers junior so no chance and off course and Moller, premiership player who Gaze said would play for Australia and did.
They should be called the foreign legion as Sydney don't really like Australian Born Talent!
Turner is better than Pineau who is lucky to be in the league and is Vic Elite level at best!
Acouth isn't NBL standard so hence was lucky to get a contract at all so back to the state league to work on his game and hopefully he can contribute more in the coming years at NBL level.
Whoever that anon poster is that compared this to the Jackson signing from a few years back is spot on... Though this time, with the Kings right up the top of the ladder, how does cutting one bloke & replacing him with another affect the vibe & chemistry with the group. My guess is this will end poorly.
Maybe if the sub rotations were a little smarter they wouldn't need a '7th' (jokes) import.
I wish more teams backed and developed their local young talent like Bevo & Joey.
Wow.. hats off to the Kings for leaving no stone unturned on their quest for a title. Turner will be fine in the nbl for the role they have him pegged to play. I saw him play sbl a few years ago and whilst it is a fair difference in the level of play his size, skill and talent should translate to the higher level. He killed in sbl but was like a man amongst boys
Jurlina is certainly better at the defensive end of the floor than Naar. I think the point being made is that there all Sydney boys playing elsewhere while the kings are full of Melbourne juniors, imports and now a 28 year old journey man. It looks like desperation .
"Don't like how Bowen counts as a local though - no problem with next stars program but non Aussies should count as imports."
Failing to grasp the whole concept of the Next Stars program.
Then again, the NBL's own implementation of Next Stars hasn’t demonstrated understanding of the program either.
Sounds like he will fill a role adequately, in resting Bogut. Hopefully for Sydney he just brings all his energy for 10 min and they don’t have the massive drop in D when Bogut rests.
"Who of Randle, Bowen and Wear is leaving? Or are you allowed 4 imports now?"
Hendo - teams are now allowed five imports. They can have 3 "normal" imports plus one Asian player rule import (subject to NBL approval, which is based on size of potential TV market) and one Next Stars player. Bowen is a Next Stars player and Kings have no Asian player rule import at the moment, so Turner becomes their third "normal" import.
However, signing Turner means the Kings can only count one local player as a marquee player for luxury tax calculation purposes (tries but fails to stifle laughter).
The league really should be renamed the Multinational Basketball League.
Wilson was the mvp at seabl level, we can see how he's going. Let’s hope Bogut stays healthy, the quality 4-5 in this comp will eat Turner. I’m looking forward to him defending DJ from the three point line, and Froling eyes will light up every time Turner is on the floor.
There are so many people commenting about this guy that have clearly never seen him play or the work he puts in.
"He doesn't move the needle"
I guarantee you that before the season is over, he will be cutting into David Wear's minutes and playing a significant role for a contending team.
Have seen him play, and he won't move the needle.
Can’t shoot outside the key
Can’t make moves going left
All post moves over his left shoulder
Not quick laterally
Typical undersized state league player who is now much in strength and won’t be able to outmuscle the bigs in this league like he has in the lower level.
Turner was 1st in fouls and 3rd in turnovers in seabl....
Oh did you know that, "Turner has spent the last two weeks practising with the Kings, with the club lauding him as 'a good-fit on and off the court'.
The power forward averaged 22.6 points and 11 rebounds per game and was rewarded with selection in the ALL SEABL First Team."
Great player. Congrats and also having another season with the Braves this year.
Moller is a rotation guy who can cover a few different positions reasonably well. Still not a great individual defender or a reliable shooter, but I think a very useful 7th or 8th man. Not sure how accurate my "source" is, but apparently the Kings made what they thought was a reasonable offer of 2 years for about 80k, and Melb threw and extra year and an extra 20-30K on top to secure him.
Upset that we lost him, but it feels like Melbourne overpaid based on his usage, too.
Played very well in his time at Melbourne, Hobart and Australia last year, not so good at Melbourne this year , tough at Melbourne though when they bring in Kennedy and McCarron and Barlow on fire.
TW, that's your opinion I’d take Jurlina in my team ahead of Wilson, I like players who play both ends of the court.
As far as uneducated I back my opinion on yours every time, but that’s what they are opinions. So unless you’re a player agent or GM of a basketball club your opinion is no better than anyone else’s.
PS, Moller would look fantastic at kings this season, the player there missing, but that’s my opinion.
My mate who knows a few agents told me that the kings offered him a one year deal on minimum, with you are Sydney boy you should stay for loyalty, Cairns offer a very good contract as well but my source told me he want to follow Vickerman. I'm interested to see what will happen at season end re the option, does he hang around or look for more playing time. ( ? Option club, player or two way). From what I saw at seabl level he has the ability to be very good.
Turner got found out straight away because the difference between SEABL and NBL is a lot bigger than it used to be. There's a reason he’s never played NBL. He’s a cheap option because the Kings new owners won’t spend any more money than they absolutely have to. Wear is exactly the same situation. Both aren’t NBL standard imports. Anything you get out of either of them is a bonus at this point.
Sydney Kings: :
"The Sydney Kings are excited to announce the signing of import power forward Ray Turner for the remainder of the 2018-19 NBL season."
Turner plays 1 game, main contribution being to foul out quickly with a Bogut already out.
Well, that de-escalated quickly.
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