Pigssy
Last month

Nba lottery picks would dominate nbl

Lamelo had 19 points, 13 rebounds, and seven assists against the best team in the nbl, the Perth Wildcats.

Many nuts on this forum have said college kids are not ready for professional or international basketball because they have not played against full grown men. Well you have the answer today, if you are good enough, you are old enough, and lamelo has certainly proven that.

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Anonymous  
Last month

Exactly the same reason why the boomers should have drafted in Josh Green and Makur maker for this years' WC. They are around the same age as Lamelo, but are probably better player than Lamelo right now. They are more than ready for professional and international basketball.

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Anonymous  
Last month

Our School Holidays don't start for another week
Must be different in other states

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Anonymous  
Last month

Lamelo's performance is a big middle finger salute to those who discriminate against young players., especially those who said josh green is ready for the boomers

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ME  
Last month

Oh shut the hell up, seriously. Kids come in and dominate a preseason game. Kyle Adnam has had some absolutely incredible preseason games and hows that turned out in the scheme of things? It's impressive but the real stuff hasn't even begun. Call me when he does it in a game that means something. Until then this just means he's got a bright future. He's done nothing yet.


And this ONE GAME in PRESEASON does not suddenly mean that any kid who is athletic with a nice YouTube mixtape can suddenly mix it with the Boomers. Take a look at who performed best in the world cup - the veterans of Spain. Who came second? A team that was led by a 40 year old. Who came third? A team of veterans. There weren't any 19 year old mixtape pros on those teams.

Saying that Josh Green can now be a player at the world cup because LaMelo had one pretty good preseason outing is fairly ridiculous. Wait until NBL teams start scouting his tendencies and taking away the things he likes to go to and THEN we'll talk.

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ME  
Last month

And I am saying this as somehow who was extremely impressed by LaMelo's game, and RJs. But it gets ridiculous when you take one good game per player and then extrapolate all this extra stuff from it. NBA lottery picks have come over here as imports and not dominated.

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Anonymous  
Last month

Makur and Green better than Lamelo, lmao. It's a long season and they will be great but give it a rest.

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Anonymous  
Last month

If you have nba lottery talents, pick them young for the national team.
Doncic and Hachimura were ready for their national teams at 18.

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Steven  
Last month

Oh Dave you're an odd fellow.
Using LaMelo's game to put forward your argument of Josh Green and Makur Maker being ready for the Boomers is laughable.

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Anonymous  
Last month

Lamelo's performance is a big middle finger salute to those who discriminate against young players., especially those who said josh green is not ready for the boomers

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Anonymous  
Last month

let's face it, Australia is a conservative country. Most national teams in europe play their talented youngsters at an early age.
Luka Doncic is a good example. Doncic is now the best player for Slovenia, and he is only 20 !
When are Australia going to have a 20 year old as it's best players ?

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ME  
Last month

"Doncic and Hachimura were ready for their national teams at 18."

Pretty sure with Japan, they don't really have the talent to be picky. Are you over 6'3? Yes? You're on the team.

"When are Australia going to have a 20 year old as it's best players ?"

When a 20 year old is ACTUALLY our best player? Sorry but these guys being listed aren't there yet and will be as useless as Sobey and Gliddon at the Olympics if selected.

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Anonymous  
Last month

" When a 20 year old is ACTUALLY our best player? Sorry but these guys being listed aren't there yet and will be as useless as Sobey and Gliddon at the Olympics if selected."

see what I mean? You have already written them off before they have played a single game for the boomers.

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Anonymous  
Last month

LaMelo's performance is vindication that young players should be given a chance. When 13-year-old Billy Douglas turned up to a training session this week for the Brisbane Bullets, he was told to take a seat in the stands. Not once did Andre Lemanis offer him minutes as a backup point guard. Billy thought that this must be how Green, Makur Maker and Adel feels. Little Billy might be young, and just 150cm, but he has the most valuable asset in all of basketball on his side: youth. If we are not going to let ballers like Billy play NBL, he will just take his huge potential elsewhere, like the local U14 league.

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koberulz  
Last month

Remember that pre-season game where Brad Hill went for 50?

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Perthworld  
Last month

Sportsbet's LaMelo NBL MVP special is still avaialble at $12 for the true believers.

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Anonymous  
Last month

yes , decent nba lottery picks would dominate the nbl. Simmons would have easily averaged a triple doubles if he played his rookie season in the nbl.

Zion Williamson would absolutely kills it if he plays this year in the nbl.

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proud  
Last month

I really liked his poise but I wouldnt expect him to average a triple double for the season.

Yes he will be scouted and have things taken away that he excels at and I'm fascinated to see how he and the coaching staff react to that.

I agree with above that we should have blooded atleast one super potential player for World Cup and as long as their attitude was aligned with the Boomers mentality of aiming for gold and team first then yes sitting on the bench and absorbing knowledge like a sponge would be just as helpful in Green as it was in Gliddon/Sobey/Barlow, if not moreso

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Anonymous  
Last month

Green was recovering from injury. We couldn't have taken him to the WC.

So many of the arguments in this thread are terrible. "Doncic played for Slovenia so Maker should play for us." Well Jack White is at Duke and so was Zion Williamson, so maybe Jack White should be the #1 pick in the NBA draft? Doncic was an absolute freak, already playing - and performing exceptionally well - at a professional level. Maker has done nothing.

I saw Simmons at Boomers camp for the 2014 WC, when he was 17. He was a walking highlight in that group, but he was also lost.

What I hope this crop of Next Stars demonstrate is that genuine lottery pick kids are ready for the NBL. The 'prospects' who've come in like Ferguson and Bowen were projected as mid-first or lower, and that's a range where kids are drafted on potential. The top 3 picks in almost NBA draft and the top 5 picks in most would be outstanding NBL players as rookies. These guys might not continue to perform at such a high level in the regular season, but LaMelo and RJ are not just going to be spot-minute marketing ploys.

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Anonymous  
Last month

Very hard for a 17 year old to perform better at a senior level than the 17 year veteran when he has only played against juniors, but not impossible.

Pretty sure our greatest ever player was selected for an Olympics at 17 or 18 and Patty Mills played an Olympics at 20. Delly was about the same age too. Simmons was in a World Cup squad at 17 even though he was at high school in the USA.

Slovenia are not selecting every 17 year old, just the awesome one. We have done that too, but when we were in development phases.

We are now in a medalling phase. Whoever helps the team the most now will be selected. There is little incentive for the coach to develop a Green or Maker because they won't help us win a medal next year and that is the end of the coach's 'contract'.

Consider the careers and dreams of the veterans players and the coach too, not just the good kid. Should Patty and Bogut miss their best chance to win a gold medal just so a kid can have some experience?

And sometimes guys knock it back to pursue their NBA dream, knowing that the national team will always be there. I think Bogut and Simmons both fall into this group.

But to address the title...yes, NBA lottery picks would dominate the NBL and every other league in the world. Sometimes they actually do pretty good in the NBA too...

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PeterJohn  
Last month

It's worth remembering that the Boomers have a long and consistent history of taking young prospects to Worlds and Olympics. Younger players (20 and less) have been given even more opportunities to develop as Boomers in regional championships and friendlies.

Phil Smyth played at the 1978 Worlds at age 20. Bradtke, Vlahov and Longley all were in the Boomers 1988 Olympic team at 18/19 years of age. Sam MacKinnon was 20 in 1996 Olympics. Frank Drmic played the 1998 Worlds at 20. Ingles played the 2008 Olympics at 20 years of age. Exum at 2014 Worlds was 19.

Schenscher was at high school when he played for the Boomers in the East Asian Games. Dellavedova played at 19 in the 2009 Oceania Championships. Bradtke had debuted in friendlies against Russia in 1987, when he was 17. Simmons played for the Boomers in 2013 Oceania championships at 17. etc. Exum debuted at 18 in the 2013 Oceania Championships.

There are a bunch more players who were similarly given their chances at young ages and who didn't develop into consistent Boomers' team members.

In light of that history, it's unlikely that it's their young age that's keeping these younger players out of the senior sides for major tournaments.

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ME  
Last month

Nothing to do with young age. If a kid is young and he proves he can play for the Boomers he'll make the team. But I don't see why all the complaining. Deng Adel and Josh Green have made Boomers training camps. I believe even Tamuri Wigness made a Boomers training camp. Dante Exum was in a Boomers training camp at 15 years old. If they were genuinely good enough at that time to play, they would have played. If they were out there outplaying the older guys they would have played. But they weren't. Simple as that. Too many guys here watch YouTube mixtape videos and go "wow, Thon Maker dunked, therefore he's better than Nick Kay who can't dunk like that". It is basically the lowest common denominator of basketball understanding that fuels these kinds of opinions. The fact that you don't put your medal hopes on highschool kids who have not proven themselves in camp, or in competition seems lost on them.

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Anonymous  
Last month

OP is completely wrong.
Obviously a player who hopes to be a top draft pick in the NBA at the end of the season is going suck badly in the NBL, because the NBL is such a vastly superior league.

Clearly the Next Stars program is failing, because the aim was to recruit total spuds who would carry the towels all season

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Anonymous  
Last month

Good list, PeterJohn. Add Bogut in 2004 there at age 19, as one of the few that earned rotation minutes. Players like Bogut, Mills, Exum were still known quantities to some extent as they starred on junior national teams. Notice that we typically lacked depth in these positions, so it was easier for them to rise up the ranks. We didn't have many good alternatives when Mills, Bogut and Delly first played for the Boomers.

Also notice that the list of young players who didn't command rotation minutes, and just sat at the end of the bench, is comprised nearly entirely of players who never made the Boomers rotation in subsequent tournaments. Think players like Drmic, Dwight, Melmeth (1998). So if you are filling end of bench spots for players based on potential, who aren't yet up to international level, it's arguably more of a gamble than using those spots for veterans for insurance.

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Anonymous  
Last month

Jonny Flynn was a lottery pick wasn't he? Hardly dominated a much weaker NBL than it is now. In fact, he was taken ahead of Steph Curry.

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Anonymous  
Last month

Is that your argument? That one of the worst lottery picks ever didn't dominate the NBL because he only averaged 17/6/4

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AussiePride  
Last month

Don't forget Andrew Gaze who turned 19 at the 84 Olympics.

Phil Lynch after a made Gaze 3 "He gave back his own present there!"

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Anonymous  
Last month

La Melo early on in the game was shithouse. Undisiplined shots, bad passing and turn overs. He hit a puple patch for sure, 3 x 3's in a row. I know I was far from convinced. Shows how he wasn't guarded properly that's all. With the line up Gleeson was playing with that's why he looked good!
Stop looking at the score line and go to a game.

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Anonymous  
Last month

Of course they would. NBL is the NBL

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Anonymous  
Last month

A nba role player like Bogut , who averaged 3pts per game in his last nba season became nbl mvp, tells you how low the nbl standard really is.

The worst thing is Andrei Lemanis picked mediocre players like sobey, gliddon Kay, goulding and Barlow from this sub standard league for the World cup. No wonder the boomers did not medal in China !

Andrei should have picked his players predominantly from the nba and europe. Even picking young aussie stars in US High Schools would have helped.

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Anonymous  
Last month

A high school kid like Lamelo Ball dominated the reigning NBL champion Perth with almost a triple doubles. What does this tell about the standard of this league? LOL

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Perthworld  
Last month

ROFL, Makur/Dave/Todd on fire (like a flaming bag of shit) with those last two posts. Never change.

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rjd  
Last month

That's your way of judging the standard of the league? A preseason game where a new hyped-up recruit tries to assert himself, with NBA scouts watching, using the league as a stepping stone to the NBA? I remember watching Thalo Green come on and dominate a pre-season game while trying to secure an import spot. Let's see what happens in the regular season. LaMelo should be given a lot of opportunities to prove himself then.

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Anonymous  
Last month

Seriously, what kind of brain-dead, drug-addled, moron, tries to assert anything, based on a single pre-season game?

Moreover, why try to assert something so utterly meaningless? Who are these presumed "lottery picks" and when are they dominating the NBL exactly?
What exactly is it you're trying to say?
That the NBA is a better league than the NBL? Doh.
That guys at the bottom end or fringe of the NBA are still better than most players in the NBL? Doh.

Anybody with half a brain (which I guess excludes the OP) wants the Next Stars program to succeed. So yeah, lets hope they all have great seasons and go on to be top NBA draftees. Maybe at the end of the season we can talk about how "dominant" they have been.

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Anonymous  
Last month

Dave or Piggy would like us all to believe this thread is to do with LaMelo Ball but it is all about Deng Adel, Jonah Bolden, Josh Green and Makur Maker.

Get over it you're a bigger dickhead than Perthworld.

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