Sixers are making there move. Fact randle Griffin excelling. DJ an Drmic very solid. Teys leading from the front... true snakes got wins but now expectations building and they can't handle. Sixers on other playing freely nothing to fear. No tensing. Cairns will slide - Sixers on the rise.
Joey boys love the grind. Tighter game is better for Sixers.
Sixers by one.

Taipans by 6.

Basically the equation is if 36ers lose to Cairns OR Bullets, it's a double loss they can’t overcome in the short span. At least, highly unlikely to be able to.

So, if Adelaide beats Cairns and Brisbane: fourth spot is likely theirs. If Cairns wins, they’ve locked in top 4. If Cairns doesn’t but Brisbane beats Adelaide it’s a tough battle between them two but Cairns likely gets it.

Melbourne throws in a spanner if they keep falling - I just don’t back them to keep falling.

I can't see us beating Cairns in Cairns tonight but at the same time I couldn't see us beating Melbourne last weekend either and we did comfortably too.

But I think the Taipans are made of sterner stuff than United and a win for them would go a long way towards locking in a Top 4 spot for them which would leave everyone else including United playing for the last playoff spot.

Cairns by 6

And now refs are calling foul on alley oop with no contact.

Early and already down nearly 20 points in a crucial game? No urgency at all. I feel for Sixers fans you really do deserve better.

13-2 run for ADL.

Are we the worst team at closing out the end of quarters?

Entire bench combining for 3/4/0/0/1 on 1/9 shooting at almost half time

Again, sre we the worst team at closing out the end of quarters?

NBL refereeing at its finest on display to end the quarter there, that was possibly the most obvious charge call I've ever seen on Kenny but not called and the lead goes from 11 to 14 and game over.

Froling had a horrible end to that 3rd quarter though, jacking up Ill advised threes and then giving up open layups in transition, his head does not seem to be in the right place at all this season.

Cairns have showed they are clearly the better team though tonight and deserve to be in the position they are in. Who would have thought they could be a potential championship threat at the start of the season? Significant credit due to Kelly and co.

Even if Froling flopped, he had position and Kenny clearly makes contact and clears space with the off arm. Obvious offensive foul call, and it was in the open too, no reason for the refs not to see it. Anyway, inconsequential considering the margin now.

I really like this commentary team. Possibly best combo this season.

Come at me.

I have always enjoyed Gaze's perspective on the game and commentary. He just has a way with words that seems to make things more entertaining.

Costello mistaking the scorebench buzzer for the game clock buzzer at the end of the game was peak hub.

Jenni and drew work really well together.

And neither of them are Shane Heal which is good. Shane Heal would likely still be talking about Jason fucking Cadee.

That's a team right there. Big 3 excellent but good contributions from plenty of others.
Kelly becoming a better leader and using players much more effectively.
Fun to watch, might surprise

If I told you the first digit of Griffin's salary, you wouldn't bet your house on guessing the number of digits after.

What are Dillon and White in the team for? I can appreciate the defensive team guy, but can a team really carry so many in that mould? Teys is already starting. If Drmic doesn't fire, who besides DJ and Randle are going to light it up? Was Griffin injured? 3/0/0!

Froling needs to get out of Adelaide or away from Joey or dig deeper.

73 points from Taipans imports.
21 from Adelaide's.

Nick Marvin as an external consultant hasn't worked and now JvG has been brought in who only knows how to spend money. A lot of pain still to come for the club. Apart from a venue change the new ownership hasn't progressed at all.

36ers are doneski

Sixers have bought this is on themselves.
Mediocre talent and medoicre coach.

Joey is a fine coach, he knocks people the wrong way but he does achieve a lot with at times a less than competitive squad. Some players will be pissed at him pushing them.

A lot of the hate I think come from Perth fans - content with the floginess of their coach but any other coach does similar and they go to town on it. It's pathetic.

I don't think Griffin would even be on half that either new import to the league who bounced around on three teams last season, yeah nah. However it's a rumour that is being spread that Griffin is supposedly on big money which is no doubt being used to make the Sixers owner look even worse than he is.

My money would be that rumour is coming from someone not happy about the success of the move to AEC. If the Sixers are even paying Griffin $200k they need their head read.

Sixers owner doesn't control recruitment decisions, Joey does. So please explain -- why is it on the owner's head if he has backed the Coach's recruitment of Griffin?

Randle being a hero ball and a bit of a sook v Joey who will say how it is and push players is bound to cause friction.

It's been said, even by Creek, that if a player has a thick skin, Joey will push them and make them better. He has very good off court relationships with players.

Tbh the NBA team should have paid Adelaide should Adelaide have been legally entitled. Euro and other teams would do it, why should Adelaide bendover for everyone? Where Adelaide Is rumoured to have screwed up with Creek is to have offered an extension late and lowballed him. If that is right, then Adelaide rightly gets criticised for incompetence.

That's not how things work. That’s an overly-simplistic approach to the point of being blatantly wrong.

If you are entitled to something legally, then you have to bring lawyers into it: that’s got a cost associated, then you have to aim to settle it - if the other side doesn’t come to the party you may need to bring Courts into it which has further costs. At that point it’s a difference between saying "hey I’m legally entitled to this" and the other side going “if we say no, the cost for them to pursue this is more than the amount they will gain so we will force them to back down”.

Conversely, the NBA team says “they’re entitled but the whole thing isn’t worth it so we won’t pursue the player”, which I gather is what happened

The small club vs the big NBA club and your argument is let them trample over the small club.

Right. Ok.

Still doesn't change that your argument of "if they were entitled they would have got it" is blatantly wrong.

No, an injunction was lodged that's *not* a decision about whether or not a person is entitled as per a contract or whether a contract is valid.

A settlement or not pursuing the matter further, again, isn’t indicative of whether or not one is entitled or have a valid contract either.

I'm not arguing against those two points, I’m arguing against:

"Creek and the 36ers went to court and the judge found Creek didn't have a contract"

Judge makes a finding in a matter that didn’t proceed? An injunction isn’t to be confused with the judge making a finding of fact of law at the conclusion of a matter.
An injunction is a procedural aspect that has specific criteria to avoid a party being damaged while a matter proceeds. Again, not to be confused with a case finding by a judge. Relevant to the point: doesn’t determine whether a contract exists or whether the term entitles any party to any such thing.


”If the 36ers had legally been entitled to that money, then they would've been paid.“

If x deserves y, x would have received y is *never* a gauge to legal entitlement, to the extent that the justice system doesn’t decide that - which we know it didn’t because it never got that far to actually being a concluded trial.

"So do you accept that it went to court"
When was this denied?

“and after a Judge spoke the 36ers didn't proceed as they had no winnable case against Creek?”

I'm saying:
> Judge didn’t make findings in relation to entitlement/contract validity
> Judge didn’t find facts in relation to entitlement/contract validity

Both of those claims were made in previous posts, both can’t have been accurate if the matter didn’t proceed to a conclusion.

Whether the 36ers did not proceed due to legal advice is only something someone tied closely with the 36ers would know. Even then, whatever impression a Judge could have provided would have likely been largely irrelevant, these things almost always go to settlement regardless of entitlement.

I’ve been apart of very few matters that actually proceed to trial beyond the basic posturing that you seem to claim made important determinations

Creek is old news for Adelaide isn't he.

However it's a rumour that is being spread that Griffin is supposedly on big money which is no doubt being used to make the Sixers owner look even worse than he is.

If the Sixers are even paying Griffin $200k they need their head read.

"The we don't spend money excuses is bull shit though."

Not bull shit. It is called fact. We can't compete financially so we just have to accept that.

"What I don't understand is how they can be great one week and absolute shit the next. They can flog Perth then get walloped by lesser teams."

That is called professional sports. Every other team in the league has suffered the same issue including the Kings.

Whether Joey and Randle like each other - on this I caint say very much.
The only thing I really know for sure, is Joey said to the owner
(over a coffee in Utah) "Did you know Jerome Randle was available"
'So, in every individual the two trends, one toward personal happiness and the other toward unity with the rest of humanity, must contend with each other'
Freud.

"The we don't spend money excuses is bull shit though."

Not bull shit. It is called fact. We can't compete financially so we just have to accept that.

Camel's special blend.

Joey has had been given every chance under the sun - time to go separate ways and bring a coach back to our team that relates to people. Anyone can see from body language of DJ and White and others that they have no respect for Joey. DJ much more important to future of 6ers that Joey.

I think that's just DJ generally

White is lucky to be in the NBL at all

DJ's body language has always been perplexing

Joey has produced more legit NBL players and stars than any other current NBL coach.

Most conceded pre-season that the 36ers will miss finals and here they are fighting for the final spot against superior rosters.

Just get a balanced roster for once.

If DJ is going to be relied on as our number 1 or 2 we need at least 3 starters that are above ave defenders.

Hopefully a PG that's played NBA more so for the defence.

Nate Robinson
Anthony Drimic
3 & D type import that can handle the ball.
Jack White
DJ

Griffin (think he'd be better with a high calibre pg)
McVeigh
Dillom
Kyei
Aquil from Melbourne.

Gibson
Creek
Sobey
Adnam
Cadee
Goulding
Drmic
Hodgson

Some of them are a massive stretch, but Adnam makes them look conservative by comparison...

Joey has had a positive impact on everyone on that list, isn't that development?

Hodgson and Sobey were on the scrap heap and turned into national representatives by Joey

No one wanted Adnam, he now has a career

Creek went from being considered by many as under performing to the NBA under Joey

Not a stretch at all Joey can take credit for developing Goulding & Gibson at Brisbane, Goulding, Gibson & Cadee at Gold Coast and Gibson, Cadee and then Creek, Sobey, Deng, Hodgson, Drmic even most of DJ at Adelaide.

That's why Joey is held in such high regard in the NBL.

Throw in developing Anthony Petrie too at Gold Coast & Adelaide.

Joey plays up every year that the list is no good - to make it look like what ever he achieves is against the odds. Wonder why he cant hold any of those guys he 'develops' - probably doesn't help when he assaults players in change rooms post game - worst coach in NBL by a mile

^ that's slander and you would need to defend that in court

Joey plays up every year that the list is no good - to make it look like what ever he achieves is against the odds.

Wonder why he cant hold any of those guys he 'develops' -

worst coach in NBL by a mile

Even conceding that Joey developed or continued the development of the mentioned players.

In what aspects of the game did he develop them? Ill give my answer and wait to see if the Joey supporters disagree. He developed their offensive individual skill sets.

Are any of those mentioned substantially better defensive players or do they have far better basketball IQ's from being in his programs? Have the Adelaide teams defensive systems and/or the players ability to work within those systems shown any improvement over the years? I think the answer is quite obvious. Constant defensive breakdowns.

Joey's offensive sets have always centred around the ability of a few individuals to break down the opposition and this has led to huge differences between their best and worst.

In his one championship with the stacked Bullets he didn't need to do a lot of tinkering because he had Stephen Black running the show, prime Ebe scoring at will or breaking down the D and two of the best ever NBL defenders in Bradtke and Sammy Mac anchoring the D. None of whom were developed by Joey.

Why did Joey get rid of a cheap player like Shaun Bruce? Seems to have developed considerably since leaving Joeys 'tuition'

Good call Pug - Majok Deng also been great in cairns this year after ordinary year with Joey last year!


and good to see playing group our flighting in streets on way home from night Club in wee hours of sunday morning after big loss - does not seem to much leadership with this group at moment.

and good to see playing group our flighting in streets on way home from night Club in wee hours of sunday morning after big loss - does not seem to much leadership with this group at moment.

players being out on the town post 3am after a terrible loss is a terrible look so matter what happens

Being out at 3am and claiming "fighting in the streets" are two very different things!

What is the official team policy around going out on the road?

If it allows it is there a problem?

Of course one would imagine it wouldn't include drunken anti-social behaviour, but going out doesn't seem that bad.

The after a loff thing is just BS, do you guys expect them to go straight back to the hotel and watch Air Jordan videos ?

Even acknowledging his 'strengths', Joey's time at Adelaide has to be running out.

Seven years with no championship has to catch up with any coach doesn't it?

It's not like he won 3 titles before things went south, he's won nothing with the Sixers.

Great salesman. Sadly not the man to coach the Sixers to a championship.

Time to go Joe...

It would be interesting to see the stats for longest stint in the NBL as a head coach without a title and compare it to Joey's current reign.

Longest stint in the NBL as a head coach without a title at one club.*

Look, this is behind a paywall so I'm not going to post the whole damn thing, but Anon 992 has it right - even with what I do it takes me a while to wind down after a game:

Adelaide's chief executive Ben Kavenagh and general manager Jeff Van Gronigen both confirmed the incident and said none of the players were physically injured.

"We are aware that an incident occurred, our players do have behaviours and standards that we expect and none of which were breached," Mr Kavenagh said.

“As people appear to have been arrested we can’t comment further as the matter is in police hands.”

Mr Van Gronigen said the club did not have a curfew in place for players that night.

“They do have a curfew at certain times of the week to do with a strategic period (leading up to games),” he said.

“We have an expected level of behaviour at all times and we are very confident that has not been breached by our players.”

No breach of conduct.

Nothing to see...move along.

Why is the media saying no one was hurt in the altercation when Mudronja was supposedly knocked out and sustained a concussion?

He doesn't have a title at Adelaide.
Please read my brothers post properly.

Surely Mudronja not knocked out as was training already this week. Legal minefield for club if that is true.

It was the first story on sevennews, who were surprised Joey was backing the players being out at 3am. "They'll be playing (not suspended) and I hope I will be coaching." he said.
When asked why he didn't play Griffin all that much in Cairns, Joey said -
"He wasn't playing with energy."
'Yet, he had the energy to be out til 3am.' the reporter said.

Classy

"He wasn't playing with energy."
"Yet, he had the energy to be out til 3am." the reporter said.

Haha that sass by the reporter.

This is a classic "you didn't do anything wrong, but you could have made a better decision" Nothing more.

Does it reflect badly on a team that just got smacked? Perhaps. Do players have to live under a curfew regime for the entire season? Probably not.

Didn't Taylor Walker once get suspended for drinking a beer at the footy when he was in the crowd watching?

It went for a coupla minutes being the lead story on seventvnews.
I disremember all that was said, training at Port Adelaide
(sometimes they're training at Woodville when tvnews cross)
No Moore for a while longer..
Joey said, make of it what you will, or something like that, when replying to the sassy reporter about the energy to be out til 3