Geth
Earlier this year

NBL Bubble

It seems like Omicron will peak towards the end of January in the cities / states where it infiltrated first (eg. NSW).

With that in mind, at what point does the NBL need to make a decision to move to bubble or hub scenario to at least get the season started and avoid further disruption? There's of course a business factor at stake which none of us are privy too (ticket sales, ESPN contract, etc), but the NBL doesn’t have the legs to continue the season like the NBA because you cannot call up players like the NBA (albeit that’s not great either) to continue games.

In my opinion NBL should:

1. Move to a hub (Perth is obvious) to allow players freedom of movement and fan attendance.
2. Move to a bubble (city wouldn’t matter) like NBA’s Orlando scenario, if above isn’t feasible. This would imply minimal player freedoms with the outside world, but ensure games will run and no 'home court advantage’ for any team.

NBL should just accept the realities, and consider a slick Orlando Bubble style environment maximized for television coverage. Even Perth’s Coach Morrison who was in Orlando’s bubble, has expressed the advantages of that environment. NBL already has the experience with the Cairns pop-up arena construction so modifying the internals of an existing (boutique) stadium for the above should be straightforward and "fun".

I don’t envy their predicament, but feel for all involved (players, coaches, families, etc). The show must go on, but in a safe well-thought out manner. The hub/bubble blueprint is there so time to make that an awesome product and get going! (I’ll even sign up to Kayo/ESPN if it happens)

(Before anyone suggests, I’m all for health and safety first, pro-vaccination, etc. etc.)

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Kev  
Earlier this year

You can't move to Perth. You can’t move to anywhere. The teams have too much Covid within them, let alone support staff. Perth is only a few weeks behind before the border jumpers have released too much omicron to be able to stop an outbreak.

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Geth  
Earlier this year

Umm. Players will recover and come out of protocol. It's not like this will start tomorrow.

You do you understand what a bubble is right? There would be no interaction with the outside world — so no Covid theoretically. It’s not ideal from a lifestyle perspective, but that was the Orlando case study.

I believe WA (McGowan) will hold off his Feb 5th border reopening. It’s the prudent thing to do given cases ballooning elsewhere. I’m not saying everyone will like that.

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Anon  
Earlier this year

The HUB will never be in Perth due to stupid primerier

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Lovebroker  
Earlier this year

If we accept 'the flood' will engulf everyone then WA will be weeks behind their eventual spikes in cases. In fact they won't open until February so their peak will be late February or March.

By that time most other states would have hopefully calmed down, which probably means most people got it and recovered and wondered what all the fuss was about.

Those avant-garde states will probably be the best place to have a hub or bubble.

I'll admit I don't know the difference between the two.

All this falls into pieces if there is another variant.

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Anon  
Earlier this year

Players wouldn't have freedom of movement in Perth. They would be locked down hard, because they have come from a COVID infected area.
WA are just delaying the inevitable. At this point, we are lucky that most that are being infected it is with a Mild strain, that will hopefully give most some immunity over new strains.

A bubble won't happen due to the money lost last year. Games will be able to be start back up in the next week as most teams have been affected, and will have recovered, have enough players to reach the minimum and will no longer be required to isolate following close contact,

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Anonymous  
Earlier this year

There will be new variant to keep this going, case's don’t mean anything. It’s a never ending cycle with 90% jabbed and getting thousands of case’s where last year no jab’s and f all case’s

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Anonymous  
Earlier this year

"Those avant-garde states will probably be the best place to have a hub or bubble."
AFAIK a hub is usually a 2 wayt traffic zone. Ie you can go both ways between cities.
A Bubble is you are stuck inside it. Cant travel outside it except in this case to play sport then return to your hotel and not leave it. Happy for further clarification.

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Anonymous  
Earlier this year

Vic government paid for last years Hub. No government is paying for it this year.

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Anonymous  
Earlier this year

NBA bubble cost around $180 million, but saved league $1.5 billion. Economically I can't see benefits to do it. Obviously won't cost as much, but revenue would be miniscule.
Best I could see is to cram games in for "healthy" team, eg Perth plays all remaining games vs Adelaide in a week and forgo any remaining home games, but then recoup them against another when they visit for a few game series. It definitely wouldn't be fair losing home advantage but the NBL need to start getting ahead of games starting to pileup, and that will only get worse.
Only other solution I could see is if a team has 6/7 fit players and bring in local league players. If your top players are out, that's bad luck.

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Geth  
Earlier this year

If you think about it, the Aus Open Tennis kind of mimics a hub/bubble environment. It's just too hard right now with travel and the uncertainties in each state.


Anon #683

Probably true, but hope not! Is VIC government funding the Melbourne Summer Set because of the cancelled tournaments elsewhere. Perfect time for McGowan (WA) to be "avant-grade" here!


Anon #684

Fair points. I just feel cramming games or incorporating arbitrary rules (Think minimum 8 players currently) for when a game goes ahead or adding additional replacement players is quite tricky and will result in a poor quality season from a league standpoint. Then, it could actually have an impact for the players looking to make the jump to the NBA next year, like the next stars.

Tough to see this continuing with the stop-start trajectory, while keeping it fair for all. Something needs to be implemented, even if short term.

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Anonymous  
Earlier this year

Geth McGowan wouldn't pay for the AFL. He isn't paying for the NBL. You have to live in the real world at some stage mate.

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Geth  
Earlier this year

I'm out of the loop with the AFL to be honest. Didn’t WA host the grand final or are you referring to something else?

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Anonymous  
Earlier this year

They wouldn't pay for it year 1 of the pandemic. AFL went there as it was their best option $$$ wise. Nothing to do with McGowan. Whereas QLD through buckets at them.

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NBLTigers  
Earlier this year

NBL need to consider all options now. One game per round won't work.

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Anonymous  
Earlier this year

Even if they made it that if 3 of your top minutes played can't play it can be postponed. 1 or 2, bad luck especially if it was Law and Cotton (sounds like a TV series set in America's deep south pre civil war). Use RAT every day and just go for it.
Can only imagine what AFL have planned.

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koberulz  
Earlier this year

I'm really curious as to what you think "avant garde" means.

If WA was going to delay the border opening, they'd have started making noise about it by now. Labor did some polling a few weeks back and 77% supported opening up. So they've obviously thought about it, but the poll's come back so decisively in favor that they're going ahead.

Can't wait to see everyone whine when there's suddenly a bunch of long term restrictions, which we've never had here.

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Geth  
Earlier this year

Koberulz

The cycle of covid (omicron) news changes by the day, not the week. Making some noise about delaying the opening now, being a month out, will be redundant in 1-2 weeks. I understand what you're saying but WA being closed and isolated for the better part of two years with minimal cases and a functioning health system actually makes it look like McGowan is playing 4D chess. It’s obviously not for everyone, but a lot of West Australians probably don’t mind seeing as what is happening elsewhere and indeed globally.

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Anonymous  
Earlier this year

Ffs, now Penis breath KR is involved. Thinks he knows it all is going to crap on and bore the shit out of everyone.

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Anonymous  
Earlier this year

Nailed it Geth. Queenslanders and WAs have that in common - they couldn't give a rats arse about the masses.

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koberulz  
Earlier this year

Making some noise about delaying the opening now, being a month out, will be redundant in 1-2 weeks.
No, it won't. You can't announce Feb 5 as the date, keep promoting Feb 5 as the date, then turn around in late January and say "nope, changed our mind". It would be political suicide. If they had any thought at all of delaying the date, they'd be making noise about it now in order to prepare people for the possibility, instead of continuing to promote Feb 5.

The fact that they did polling shows they were considering it at the time, and if the polling had shown people wanted it delayed then we'd have likely seen a shift towards that. But 77% said they wanted the borders open, so that's what we're going to get. There's no way, with a polling result like that, they could come out with an abrupt change.

It's obviously not for everyone, but a lot of West Australians probably don’t mind
77% want the border open. It's opening.

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KET  
Earlier this year

WAlians will lose their collective shit when borders open

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Geth  
Earlier this year

Koberulz

Can't be bothered with this one, but since you’re so matter of fact, I’ll try my best.

Firstly, omicron is a truly dynamic situation. You could be right, and I could be wrong, but nobody truly knows.

What I do know is a poll three weeks ago in the early stage of the omicron outbreak is meaningless. What’s political suicide is opening up a border without the proper measures in place, some which are outside of a state governments control (e.g. rapid antigen test supply), and collapsing the health system leading to hospitalIzations and deaths. There’s plenty of commentary suggesting Queensland should have delayed their opening instead of proceeding and sticking to their opening date (like with WA as you suggest). You can see the escalation of cases and a failing health system the result of that decision. With NSW, and their unelected Premier Perrottet, they’ve clearly got mud on their face and have had to (reluctantly) put some restrictions in place (e.g. masks, elective surgeries suspended, banned dancing) because they wanted to so badly open up. That’s political suicide.

Delaying the reopening because WA health isn’t quite ready to manage that exponential wave in cases or to sensibly wait for increased supply of rapid testing, or yet, the upcoming Pfizer anti-viral (already approved in US and GB), or yet even an omicron and future variant effective vaccine is not political suicide. McGowan ran a $5B+ surplus whilst every other state ran a deficit last year. The government will be able to handle the "backlash" if he were to reschedule the opening. He’s playing with house money in hoops terms.

So in short, yes, yes you can announce a Feb 5 re-opening date and on Feb 4 change or update the plan because the pandemic world we live requires a change in strategy.

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Perthworld  
Earlier this year

It's Saturday night and I see the despite the crisis the following leagues have managed to have a match on:

A-League
AFLW
BBL

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Perthworld  
Earlier this year

that despite*

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Isaac  
Earlier this year

Outdoor events likely a factor?

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Perthworld  
Earlier this year

Two of the three involve teams from different states as well.

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Perthworld  
Earlier this year

Outdoor events likely a factor?

No?

The key is they've either kept enough players COVID-free or had replacements to fill in. The NBL on the other hand? No Plan B it seems.

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koberulz  
Earlier this year

If there was consideration of delay, they'd be throwing around "pending medical advice" and "COVID is unpredictable" and so on, not just pumping the date.

Yes, you can make the decision on Feb 4, but you have to acknowledge in the lead up that it's not set in stone.

If they run another poll that finds overwhelming support for staying closed they'll change course, but at present they're clearly pretty set on their opening date.

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KET  
Earlier this year

" McGowan ran a $5B+ surplus whilst every other state ran a deficit last year."

I imagine he should be giving a big thank you to the eastern states for taking the hit to keep the national economy rolling so WA can get its precious GST to fund its hermit kingdom.

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Luuuc  
Earlier this year

Not sure how that became the subject. Also not sure how you managed to get it so wrong.

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Diop Kick  
Earlier this year

Once the borders open perth will get smashed with covid as well.

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Perthworld  
Earlier this year

West Australians should all be receiving dividends like the Alaskans do.

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Anonymous  
Earlier this year

"Once the borders open perth will get smashed with covid as well."

Totally.
I think that is why the WA govt is still a bit hesitant about sticking to the Feb 5th opening date.

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Anon  
Earlier this year

And delaying the opening will only delay the inevitable

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koberulz  
Earlier this year

No, it won't, it will give people time to get triple-vaxxed.

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Anon  
Earlier this year

I just want to preface this. I'll get my booster next month when eligible but boosters ain’t doing shit against stopping the spread. You will get it. Vax will just reduce the severity, so delaying the opening of the borders ain’t doing shit

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Anonymous  
Earlier this year

Kobe "vaccines are doing fuck all against omicron so opening the borders in February is absolutely moronic"

Also Kobe "it will give people time to get triple-vaxxed"

oh boy!

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koberulz  
Earlier this year

The booster gets effectiveness from around 30% to around 75%. That's a massive difference.

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Anonymous  
Earlier this year

Illawarra hawks have won 75% of their games or as kobe calls it "fuck all" of their games

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koberulz  
Earlier this year

Learn to read.

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Anonymous  
Earlier this year

I can read just fine. "vaccines are doing fuck all against omicron" could not be clearer it just happens to be a complete lie is also shouted by antivax misinformation spreaders every day

learn to write

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Anonymous  
Earlier this year

"McGowan ran a $5B+ surplus"

I believe this was a projection based on Iron Ore prices at the time. It was sold to the masses as fact.

Iron Ore prices have plummeted and that projected surplus has all but disappeared. Funny that didnt make the news.

I could be wrong though.

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koberulz  
Earlier this year

How many people were triple-vaxxed when I made that comment?

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Geth  
Earlier this year

I see Jeremy Loeliger is a member of these boards, if I'm to go off NBL’s messaging thanking fans given this period (of few NBL games) during the Brisbane game and on their IG. Ok probably not, but timing seems uncanny.

I just hope they’ve got a Plan B and C, and not banking on things going back to normal once teams have exited protocols. But I do back them, they’ve done a solid job since the pandemic started all things considered.

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Anonymous  
Earlier this year

Looking back at threads when the pandemic hit and seeing how many times penis breath KR was wrong. This will age just as poorly as those.
The person has serious superiority problems, probably has Napoleon jim-jams when his mummy tucks him in.

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Anonymous  
Earlier this year

I think it's a given what most people thought/said about Covid has changed in the last two years.

Looking forward, it will be interesting to see how the NBL and teams manage the situation.

The introduction of RAT’s, changes to close contact requirements etc will all impact on how and when the NBL starts re-scheduling games.

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koberulz  
Earlier this year

Looking back at threads when the pandemic hit and seeing how many times penis breath KR was wrong. This will age just as poorly as those.
I assume you're not the anon who ridiculed me for saying the pandemic would last more than a year.

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Anonymous  
Earlier this year

"You can't announce Feb 5 as the date, keep promoting Feb 5 as the date, then turn around in late January and say "nope, changed our mind".
It's opening."

oh really?

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koberulz  
Earlier this year

Came to their senses, thankfully.

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Anonymous  
Earlier this year

This will only help WA if they stay closed till 2023 and beyond

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Anon  
Earlier this year

Good luck Wildcats playing at home now

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Luuuc  
Earlier this year

Chances that national league-caliber basketball teams qualify for the "Specialist skills not available in WA" exemption?

I'm not 100% giving up just yet, but it doesn't look good for home games.

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Luuuc  
Earlier this year

Ok, he just specifically addressed the sport question, and now I'm 99.9% giving up on home games.
:(

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Geth  
Earlier this year

Koberulz

Next time you make a case for something, remember this thread.

I told ya so.

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Geth  
Earlier this year

Koberulz's posts read like Iate-night comedy.

"PoLiTiCaL SuIcIdE"

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Lovebroker  
Earlier this year

This is really bad luck for Perth.

But they would have hoped for the best and prepared for the worst when they left.

I know the #1 rule is never count them out, but this is a perfect storm of events that could end the streak.

- No Gleeson, new system (which is inferior).
- No home court for the rest of the season.
- New management, unknown culture.
- Cotton's efficiency is very low, for him.

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koberulz  
Earlier this year

I don't think point four belongs on that list, I think it's a direct consequence of point one.

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Anonymous  
Earlier this year

"I assume you're not the anon who ridiculed me for saying the pandemic would last more than a year."
You said their will be no basketball played last year worldwide. Don't twist your words into something that you now imply.

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Anonymous  
Earlier this year

Fancy lovebroker and Kobe being right in there last posts, agree with both.

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Anonymous  
Earlier this year

Seems the WA border is harder to get through than the North Korea border.

I guess the WA people just voted the premier back in so they only have themselves to blame.

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Anonymous  
Earlier this year

Only 3 jurisdictions in the world still trying for COVID zero. China, Hong Kong, Western Australia

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Luuuc  
Earlier this year

We're definitely not trying for Covid zero here.
It's in the community now. Had this been 6 months ago there would have been lockdown measures as a result of the community spread, but there aren't this time.

Right now it's purely about the economy and the capacity of the hospital system. It's not about deaths anymore, since the vax rate is now good.

But with the difference in outcomes between double vax and boosters, I can see why this latest postponement happened. In the last 2 weeks booster numbers have been shooting up fast, so I think it makes sense to delay the opening a bit to give those numbers a chance to get a lot higher. It sucks, but it seems like the smart call overall.

Personally I think the mistake was not nominating a new date, although there would have been downsides to doing that as well.

At the end of the day most of the annoying things about this postponement - including Cats & Lynx home games - are minor "first world problems" compared to the bigger picture. As I look eastward right now it doesn't seem like rainbows & gold dust.

There's a bunch of exemptions now, so anyone who really needs to come in can do so.

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Anonymous  
Earlier this year

No point arguing about it. Players have flat out told the Players Association under no circumstances will they play in a hub/bubble. Will not get signed off.

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Anonymous  
Earlier this year

If players won't play in hub, bubble and by end January things are still shit call the season off. No play no pay.

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koberulz  
Earlier this year

You said their will be no basketball played last year worldwide.
I never said that.

Personally I think the mistake was not nominating a new date, although there would have been downsides to doing that as well.
The biggest mistake was sticking so firmly to Feb 5 for the past few weeks. You could see this coming a mile out, and the language never changed. There was no hint this was coming until it did, even though it's been obvious for weeks that it needed to happen.

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Anonymous  
Earlier this year

For the hundredth time for there to be a Hub/Bubble it requires a Government to fund it. There is no government who wants to pay for it hence there will be no Hub

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Anonymous  
Earlier this year

The funniest thing about the language KR was they kept saying their "safe transition “ and we will do it properly and better than the eastern states once we hit 90%. The eastern states are at 94/95%, how in hell was 90% going to allow for a better opening. Dudes a moron

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NBLTigers  
Earlier this year

Looks like Perth won't have anymore home games. They have to suck it up just like the New Zealand Breakers. Whoever voted for Mark McGowan are idiots. Perth won’t make finals, I’m saying it right now if they don’t get anymore home games.

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Anonymous  
Earlier this year

Ever thought that you are the idiot.

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koberulz  
Earlier this year

The funniest thing about the language KR was they kept saying their "safe transition " and we will do it properly and better than the eastern states once we hit 90%. The eastern states are at 94/95%, how in hell was 90% going to allow for a better opening. Dudes a moron
The east coast opened up at 80%, not 90%, and the transition plan was set with delta in mind. Being double-dosed means basically nothing when it comes to preventing omicron.

Looks like Perth won't have anymore home games. They have to suck it up just like the New Zealand Breakers. Whoever voted for Mark McGowan are idiots. Perth won't make finals, I’m saying it right now if they don’t get anymore home games.
If your biggest concern when voting for state government is whether your sports team will do well, I would submit that you're the one who's an idiot.

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Anonymous  
Earlier this year

Not when WA's cases explode like everywhere else in the World

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Anonymous  
Earlier this year

Still won't matterKR

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Anonymous  
Earlier this year

VT.... you are heading in the right direction.... the people voted in Mark McGowan, whom is the premier of the richest state in the country, but he hasn't invested in public health system!!!

Am hearing from people in WA say don't ever get sick from anything (even pre covid) as the health system is just about none existent.

Lockdowns are to ensure the health system an cope, as everyone is entitled to health care, which is different to other parts of the world... yes, Victoria and NSW have had high case over the last few weeks, however most of them with Omnicon strain, are not serious illness and you recover quickly.

Yes there has been an increase in hospital case, but the % of hospital case with this strain is much lower than the previous.

any way, back to the basketball.........

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koberulz  
Earlier this year

yes, Victoria and NSW have had high case over the last few weeks, however most of them with Omnicon strain, are not serious illness and you recover quickly.
2019 was our second-worst flu season ever, with 800 deaths.

In less than three weeks of 2022, there have been almost 700 deaths recorded from COVID. COVID is going to kill more people in the first month and a half of the year than our worst flu season ever.

Hospitalisation has increased 902%.

Hardly what I'd describe as "not serious".

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Anonymous  
Earlier this year

Luckily Omicron is mild af
(Looks at national Covid death numbers once again breaking the daily record)
Mild I tell ya!

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Anonymous  
Earlier this year

You need to be careful of wording.

died FROM covid or died WITH covid.
Many hospital admission are with people with other health problems, not just from covid.
This it the same as saying that someone died of pneumonia when they could fit it off cause their body was destroyed from cancer. Multiply things link together.

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Anonymous  
Earlier this year

Yes be careful
Massive spike in cases, in ICU bed usage, in people on ventilators, but the corresponding surge in deaths is probably totally unrelated to Covid. Probably all just people with mild flu like symptoms suddenly dying in car crashes.

Derp

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random  
Earlier this year

for those wanting to know 'with COVID' - 'from COVID' =

well here is the England and Wales analysis courtesy of a freedom of information request in recent days

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9UHvwWWcjYw

for those not wanting to watch the video, 'from' is 1/8 of 'with'

yes COVID is the straw that broke the camels back in many cases, but fair to observe that would those that died with (excluding gun shots etc) would they have died from COVID if they didnt have their comorbidity??

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koberulz  
Earlier this year

The comorbidities don't stop existing just because they're inconvenient for your dumb argument.

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Geth  
Earlier this year

Koberulez

" The biggest mistake was sticking so firmly to Feb 5 for the past few weeks. You could see this coming a mile out, and the language never changed. There was no hint this was coming until it did, even though it's been obvious for weeks that it needed to happen."

Well that's what we all said a couple weeks ago. Just scroll up.

You are a walking hypocrite.

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koberulz  
Earlier this year

I'm a hypocrite for holding the same position now as I held previously?

I don't think that's what that word means.

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Geth  
Earlier this year

Dude, lose the god-complex.

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koberulz  
Earlier this year

Are you just pulling out words at random now?

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Geth  
Earlier this year

What are you on about.

You were so clearly of the opinion that WA borders were opening February 5 based on polls and other nonsense. Now suddenly you're parroting exactly what we said and now you "hold the same position", and say it’s “been obvious for weeks that it needed to happen”.

Are you delusional, your receipts are there for everyone to see. I’m just calling you out.

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koberulz  
Earlier this year

My position then was that while it was obvious the border should remain closed, the government was sticking far too firmly to their Feb 5 date, and it was completely moronic.

My position now is that last night's announcement was the right call, but failing to soften their language was completely moronic.

There is no contradiction there.

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random  
Earlier this year

not sure how it is a dumb argument?

NSW Kerry Chant came out and claimed a great result, we only killed 3 tender age children and injured a further 106 from our 5-11 vaccination program. Yes total injections were over 300k, but owning up to killing kids with a vaccine is disgraceful especially when kids are not at risk generally.

They continued on to explain out of 36 deaths that 3 were unvaxxed, only 3 were under 65 but had serious comorbidity (2 of those are unvaxxed)

then went on to explain ICU population. 141 people in ICU. 1 was only partially vaxxed, the rest were at least double

Their takeaway and public advice based on these numbers, is that it is super important to get a 3rd dose......

dont let the fact that there are zero unvaxxed in ICU get in the way of a good story.

fear of something that is very minimal in impact to healthy people under 65 is crazy and injecting a vaccine into you which is near useless or doubles you chance of contracting the virus its is meant to protect you from (you can google canada and denmark stats), even McGowan last night cited the vax was only 4% protection with just 2 doses. (sadly that is 3 months after does, 4 months you go negative)

time for government to come clean, protect the vulnerable as should have been their course of action from the beginning and leave the rest of society to make their own decision like they do with the flu

all those with vax injuries and degraded immune systems have to live with it now and potential consequences for the rest of their lives for a vax that most of them never needed.

get away from MSM and do your own research, plenty of it out there.

back to basketball......

sadly Wildcats are now consigned to life on the road and a pseudo home in any state that gives them a home. good news is that all other states are open to each other so NBL should find a way to reschedule, plus bonus of saving teams travelling to Perth so means they can likely compress schedule to see out season if required.

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Geth  
Earlier this year

Ah yes, Koberulz the type of player who cherry-picks on the court and evidently off the court in forums. Never wrong, but always right.

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koberulz  
Earlier this year

I'm not about to admit I'm wrong when I'm not wrong.

Random, almost everything you just said is completely false.

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Geth  
Earlier this year

Well I don't expect a narcissist to do that at all, since you can just gaslight all you want. Must feel bad to get called out.

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koberulz  
Earlier this year

But I'm not wrong. I'm on record well before last night saying opening up would be a terrible idea.

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random  
Earlier this year

not the most objective site but easier than sending you multiple links for hte news videos, but the videos linked are real and clearly walk through the 'completely false' stats I listed out

https://xyz.net.au/2022/01/vaccines-cause-nsw-its-deadliest-day/

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Anonymous  
Earlier this year

#271 "do your own research “ hahaha that chestnut. What qualifications do you have to read scientific data from lab experiments? Are you in a white coat testing 24/7 or are you Dr Google/Facebook/Instagram? Go back into your hole

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Anonymous  
Earlier this year

"Random, almost everything you just said is completely false."

koberulz is absolutely spot-on with this claim. e.g., the latest NSW Health Critical Intelliogence Unit COVID-19 Risk Monitoring Dashboard states, for the week ending 16 January:

% of cases in ICU who are unvaccinated = 43.8%
% of cases in ICU who are at least double vaccinated = 53.7%

See https://aci.health.nsw.gov.au/covid-19/critical-intelligence-unit#risk-monitoring-dashboard

There was 78.4% of the NSW population double vaccinated at the end of that week (same source), and 18.6% of the NSW population was unvaccinated (https://covidlive.com.au/nsw and https://www.abs.gov.au/statistics/people/population/national-state-and-territory-population/latest-release#states-and-territories) at 16 January. That translates to the chance of an unvaccinated person contracting COVID-19 and ending up in ICU being 3.4 times that of a double vaccinated person.

People concerned about Random's claims about vaccine safety may want to refer to the Ausvaxsafety website for adverse event data (https://ausvaxsafety.org.au/safety-data/covid-19-vaccines). There are separate pages with data for children and adolescents, respectively, among other groups. Check the information there and draw your own conclusions.

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Anonymous  
Earlier this year

Now do boostered vs unvaxxed
Instead of 3.4x you will likely see something more like 20x

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Knowall  
Earlier this year

"NSW Chief Health Officer Dr Kerry Chant did not author the tweet or the Instagram post attributed to her and the information contained in both of them is incorrect."
The trouble with folks believing fake tweets, is twisting the way folks think and behave.

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KET  
Earlier this year

"get away from MSM and do your own research, plenty of it out there."

Nooooo, “do your own research” = ignore the experts and delve into a crazy f'ed up world of weird cult personalities making up conspiracies and nonsense arguments that don’t hold up against reality.

Clearly you’re one of the vulnerable ones to conspiracies and scams. Stay safe mate.

Stick to MSM, avoid the weird conspiracy shit. Weird conspiracy people are almost never going to be those in a field of science.

Perhaps stick to listening to people in science about science!

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koberulz  
Earlier this year

I mean, MSM can be hit and miss (7 Perth led with "families upset they can't reunite" last night, ahead of "Perth hospitals thankful they won't have to deal with armageddon"), but certainly mainstream experts are going to be far more reliable than Jenny on Facebook.

Also worth noting with adverse incidents in vaccine trials, it includes every adverse incident that occurs. Some are vaccine-related, some are mere coincidence. One of the adverse incidents listed in one of the US studies of the vaccine on under-fives was "ingestion of a penny", because kids are morons.

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