Very disappointing that all sides couldn't be at their peak. It's still the best on the day.

Seems ridiculous. No point in having the comp without the best players. Hopefully they fix that for next year.

Completely agree.

No free players families tickets.

No point even watching, turned into a farce. The winner will be happy but really proves nothing.

South, North, West, Central then East is still the pecking order with South and North a fair way in front.

I guess if FIBA can schedule the world championships in conflict to the WNBA finals how would expect the NBL1 mob to get it right.

Jackson would have been a real drawcard for this event and could have seen if she back up and play on a back to back schedule.

As for the Wildcard selection I am not even close to understanding that on the women's side.

Frankston should win the men easy. But with full squads across the season North is a far better competition than South

Just here to also say that no NBL players is silly and pointless.

The NBL moving back to their original pre covid schedule was likely the big issue. If they had have stuck to the recent two calendars then it would not have had a clash.

Probably a big oversight on planning by nbl1 to not plan around this, although it was probably unavoidable.

As for the Wildcard selection I am not even close to understanding that on the women's side.

I don't agree, South is better imo, we won’t know now as the conference finals are decimated.

You obviously did not watch a lot of both Dunkman

Is Lauren Jackson expected to play?

So who's actually missing?

Townsville women, no excuses. Should win easy.

Froling, McDaniel, Bairstow, from chargers mens south.

AFAIK all NBL players (men) are unavailable.

Oh and don't start me on Frankston getting the Wildcard entry. Absolute crap.

Let me guess, you still don't understand how the Wildcard series works?

Waste of time now pull the pin

Brisbane playing preseason games same weekend against Melbourne right? So that would mean no Walker (west), Cadee, Mitchell and Krebs (North) and Froling (South).

Perth is also playing Adelaide, although not sure what effect that will have on any NBL1 rosters.

Perth isn't playing Adelaide. Clearly you know nothing about it. Rockingham is playing South Adelaide. Get it right. Last time I checked Devondrick Walker was a Bullet. Ineligible now.
I fully understand how the wildcard series works and raised it previously (which you couldn't comprehend) and now we have the Frankston Blues 7th in the South getting a wildcard because they beat the CoE. Laughable. Do you still not know how much of a joke that "conference" is.
Once again despite what you think and posture about it you are wrong. (again)
Stick to the NBL and all your 7000+ meaningless posts.

Boba, spend some time with some Tusken raiders and chill.

Yes, South Adelaide play Rockingham in the NBL1 National tournament but the Adelaide 36ers are also playing Perth in pre-season games this weekend too

Perth isn't playing Adelaide. Clearly you know nothing about it.

Hahahahahahaha.

Strange I thought this was an NBL1 National Title topic. Typical of the 2 idiots on here yet again derailing the topic. "although not sure what effect that will have on any NBL1 rosters." Clearly as I stated Devondrick Walker won't be playing for Rockingham a point you simply ignored. Who cares about the meaningless pre season games anyway.

You clearly didn't read nor comprehend what KR was saying.

"Perth is also playing Adelaide, although not sure what effect that will have on any NBL1 rosters."

Meaning Einstein, he wasn't sure if that NBL practice match would exclude any other players from the NBL1 National Finals like the Brisbane players have been excluded.

C'mon Boba, just admit you fired off without properly reading what KR wrote and then everyone will move on.

" he wasn't sure if that NBL practice match would exclude any other players from the NBL1 National Finals like the Brisbane players have been excluded."
AFAIK all NBL players that play NBL1 are now required. KR is supposed to know it all according to it. Move on.

So you got it completely wrong and embarrassed yourself?

Boba Fett confirmed embarasssed.

The CURIOUS thing is he isn't because it's been 20 years of the same stinking up of NBL boards via miscomprehension and subsequent arguing over it - the lack of self awareness is truly amazing.

What also sucks is finally having a national tourney being held and it gets neutered.

The tin foil on the hat isn't really working for you today is it Boba lol

As a South Adelaide fan, I truly appreciate the timing of the tournament (insert popular quote from Dumb and Dumber movie)

As a basketball tragic I would like to have watched the Panther boys take on Messrs Hire, Walker, Nelson and Jervis, the young punks of Hobart, and the Gold Coast Bullets...I mean Rollers!

I think the competition is pretty even now.

"although not sure what effect that will have on any NBL1 rosters." Clearly as I stated Devondrick Walker won't be playing for Rockingham a point you simply ignored.

You really don't get it idiot.

So Frankston scrap in the finals finish 7 th . Mt gambier don't qualify with a 18-5 record odd . Anyway Frankston should win this no players missing full strength should beat hobarts bench b team in the final

Is this Boba Fett bloke right in the head?

Does every competition have the same rules for player eligibility or composition of the teams i.e. does every competition have a points system with the same criteria and points allocation per player and a limit on restricted players - players who are imports and NBL players playing more than x minutes in the NBL?

To the above, yes

So Frankston scrap in the finals finish 7 th . Mt gambier don't qualify with a 18-5 record odd .

I think Boba Fett spent too long in the Sarlacc pit.

Frankston got into the finals despite finishing 7th because they won the inane wildcard entry competition. Laughable.

Is this Boba Fett bloke right in the head?

Enjoy your ban.

Oh which time? You think I don't know what I am doing. My time here is over. You have ruined on Board and no one here cares. Isaac asleep at the wheel. Nationals start tomorrow. You have never been a winner. Just a thug, bouncer and a bully.

"I think Boba Fett spent too long in the Sarlacc pit."
The Sarlaac pit was great. It enabled me to focus and contemplate what is important. Survival. I survived and have learnt to speak clearly and take no shit from anyone.

So Perth aren't playing Adelaide?

Not in this tournament. Rockingham and SAP. Certainly be interesting to see how Starling performs against stronger sides.

Interesting that the Gunners have made the Nats. Last time they played in the SEABL they were 0-24 I recall. Waratah is weak followed by the SA conference.
WA is an unknown quantity and the North similarly in terms of cross competition.
NO NBL players for many teams brings everyone back to the same level. Bring it on.

With NBL players I rank the leagues as follows:

North
South
West
Central
Daylight
East

Surprised some don't rate North at all.

West vs. Central being the hardest to gauge.

Thoughts?

You keep referring to peoples resume. What's yours Boba?

3 decades actually, 3 different NBL clubs, 3 different CBA,SEABL, NBL1 clubs. 3 National Titles. Never counted the all titles. Current NBL1 title. The DB's will nay say all that's but that's what you would expect.

Haha and there we have it the infamous ClintDogg-styled "Have YOU ever worked for an NBL club?". Classic.

Learn to comprehend and not be a hothead when called out for your lack of it - not hard to do unless there is something seriously wrong with you.

P.S. Perth-Adelaide is on tonight!

(Mod: Offensive.)

I rest my case.

Did Boba Fett just out himself?

All that mumbo jumbo and I still don't know who you are.

Just a run of the mill team manager

So Perth v Adelaide is tonight?

(Mod: Offensive.)

Run of the mill at best

Achieve nothing fan.

Yep that's me. But if I know you that’s unlikely isn’t it.

Hmm, another thread derailed by ego....

Anyway... day 2 of the NBL1 national tournament is 1v5, 2v4 3v6...

Funny groupings...

Are the day 2 seedings determined by the for and against from day 1?

Seedings are based on the points system used in the Blitz etc. 1 point for every Q you win and 3 points for the team who wins the game.

Adelaide will win.

Win what 5th or 6th?

day 2 of the NBL1 national tournament is 1v5, 2v4 3v6...

Where are the boxscores?

KR: "This has to be a typo. Surely."

No, I found the explanation after I posted.

https://nbl1.com.au/news/coles-express-nbl1-national-final-explainer/

All in all - points system:

"The NBL1 National Final uses the historically successful points system used by the NBL for the NBL Cup and the NBL Blitz. Three points will be awarded for a win and an extra point awarded for each quarter won. If the quarter is tied, each team gets half a point. "

Day 2 seedings

"On Saturday, the highest point scorer from Friday will face the fifth-placed, the second-highest will face the fourth-highest and the third-highest will face the sixth-highest."

What courts are they playing the games on??

Pretty silly decision to go to neutral location Imo, no crowds vs potential home rowdy stadiums, just dumb.

Some Teams depleted of talent because of WC, work or other sporting commitments.

No smith, no Simmons, no jackson,
no chance of winning

Pretty silly decision to go to neutral location Imo, no crowds vs potential home rowdy stadiums, just dumb.

Obviously no. It would be 2 or 3 flights over 3 weeks, spacing the finals out.
Highest ranked team by season record gets home court.

So...yes?

On the weekend...

Weedy Slug,

1/ Some people work weekends.

2/ Clubs in Central and East league would not be able to pay for it. And would not enter under those expectations.

3/ Stadiums are used on weekends and multiple weekends would take away the very revenue that is used to pay for those flights by most clubs involved. Again, clubs would not agree and wouldn't attend.

I'm sure a compromise can be made.
Not many watching the games currently.

Not to mention we're already losing players en masse to the NBL and other leagues, make the whole thing a month longer and you'd have nobody left.

Bearcats score (and lose) 37 to Warwick 69. Ouch.
Ringwood belting Albury. 49 - 32 (half time)
Twnsv and Spartans very close.

Warwick the only team in the tournament with full squad.

Warwick only have nine players. Not sure who's missing, but it's not a full squad.

Same 7-8 that play majority minutes

Yes a compromise made where its played over one weekend.

And look at the results and the crowds..... enthralling.

Warwick only played 6 all year.

@Weedy Slug.

Its either that or not play at all.

I know which one I'm choosing!

Kinda makes sense to start Sotto, block presence in the keyway over DJ and lob threat. Let DJ cook second units as your 6th MOTY scorer type. He will avg 12 off the bench.

But also on the above, I rate Sunday Dech really high but c'mon, you aren't starting him over McCaron.

Not sure what drugs you are on Bored. Sotto isn't on the score sheet nor DJ. Starling found wanting.

Haha Bored, I love the continuing Perth-Adelaide and NBL1 National Finals convergence.

Haha oops.

It is such a spinout seeing the exotic locales of Rockingham and Warwick represented on a national stage.

So the side that finished 5th in nbl south can win the title on a wild card, absolute farce.

That side that finished 5th played the COE when all the good players were OS with the national team. Poorly timed national championship when all the top players are not playing (except the Blues!)

Hopefully NBL1 learn from this scenario and exempt games played against CoE for wildcard calculation purposes.

....what?

The whole wildcard was really an attempt at a version of the NBA's playin. A nice idea at adding a bit of spice, but doesn't really work in current format. Ideally you'd like all the runners up to play to get in, but that's entirely unfeasible.
Going back the the whole NBL players being unavailable overreaction above (cue another overreaction from the team manager). Surely the timing of the finals, and the whole season, can be sorted out to avoid NBL intra club games. NBL teams as the players primary employer overrides the 2nd tier competition, but surely some commonsense could be used to avoid clashes on the 1 weekend.
Has there been any stats of spectators over the weekend since it sounds like it was poorly attended?

This NBL1 season ended up being a month later than planned, due to COVID. Next year the national finals will be in late August.

I think we can all stop freaking out about the wildcard winning it now.

Should never have occurred.

Yeah, very unfair that the winners of the Wildcard tournament were given the Wildcard entry.

....what?

Determining the Wildcard is literally the entire point of those games.

I get that but if CoE are going to be severely undermanned against some opponents due to international commitments then it isn't a great system.

The wildcard has other issues.

The eligible teams are essentially the top 4 of the league for the previous season.

The winner is the team which basically gets the best For-and-against vs CoE.

Rockingham put up their WABL side against the CoE, coming 2nd last.

I'd be more inclined to think the issues arising if they won the wildcard spot.

I think fans want the best runner up to play, which unless you have a tournament is impossible to select.

It may be a case the runner up from the previous year's winner gets a gig...

So 2023 would be both finalists from NBL1 west

A good weekend the NBL1 west by the looks

I get that but if CoE are going to be severely undermanned against some opponents due to international commitments then it isn't a great system.

Yes, my first post was poorly worded.

McBlurter's idea has merit.

It may be a case the runner up from the previous year's winner gets a gig...

So 2023 would be both finalists from NBL1 west

Awful quiet in here from the Vics and QLD people!

Perthworld - you're saying Rocky would get an auto bid for next year or WA would get an extra bid (regardless of which club)?

The wildcard is a great option for now, but is flawed slightly however way you look at it.
It showed this year with the choosing of the top 4 teams from each conference, and the carry over into the next season, we saw it in the West this year with East Perth women finishing 10th/11th and being a wildcard possible team.

Hopefully down the track a sixth conference can be made (Most likely NBL1 NZ) and that eliminates the need for the Wildcard option.

Maybe another option is whoever wins the previous year gets two entries through (so next year NBL1 West gets the champs and runners up through to the Nationals in both men and women)

You had to make the playoffs in your conference to be eligible for the Wildcard spot, so neither the East Perth women nor the Lakeside men would have made it regardless of their result against CoE.

Perthworld - you're saying Rocky would get an auto bid for next year or WA would get an extra bid (regardless of which club)?

I think the solution to fill the 6th spot is quite simple..... Just make it the losing conference finalist who had the best regular season record across the nation. Because that particular team made it to their conference final, they will be as match-fit as the other 5 teams, and wouldn't have sent any of their players home (imports etc).

The losing conference finalists this year were....

MEN
0.864 (19-3) Geraldton Buccaneers
0.833 (15-3) Woodville Warriors
0.727 (16-6) Mt Gambier Pioneers
0.684 (13-6) USC Rip City
0.682 (15-7) Maitland Mustangs

WOMEN
1.000 (19-0) Logan Thunder
0.909 (20-2) Bendigo Braves
0.800 (16-4) Sutherland Sharks
0.750 (15-5) Willetton Tigers
0.722 (13-5) Sturt Sabres

If done like that this year, the 'wildcard' would have been the 19-3 Buccaneers from the West and the 19-0 Thunder from the North. And what a perfect way to reward those teams for fantastic seasons.

Kobe,
National final is a week later than it would normally been at best.
South have always played their GF in September. Covid had no impact. Just remember it's always about the victorians. You weren't even part of the ABA

PW,
Calling for the Winner to get the auto qualification wouldn't work as the host is determined already by the winning state.

Bored,
Reason for no comment from Vics and Qlders, is 1 no-one cares and 2 there aren't that many on here. Most are WA and SA

"Yeah, very unfair that the winners of the Wildcard tournament were given the Wildcard entry."
Yeah very unfair that the meaningless CoE gets to compete in a competition they care jack shit about and who ever beats them (a select random group of teams) (( from different conferences)) get a wildcard entry into the Nat's. Absolute bullshit.
This is the same side CoE that years ago that got to the Finals one year and then just simply got a better offer and withdrew from the Finals. Laughable.
They don't play in the East Conference, they used to play in the South as well and NBL1 simply makes up special rules for them.

Yeah let's just dump the COE and not worry about nurturing the young Australian representative talent and disband them into club land and hope they learn to play together at camps. Brilliant! What Chalm you have in these matters

anyone know what the winners get? Bragging rights or they get a good cash bonus for winning?

Kobe,
National final is a week later than it would normally been at best.
South have always played their GF in September. Covid had no impact. Just remember it's always about the victorians.

(a select random group of teams)

No wildcard
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Coe stay in the east
Npp/spp development u19 side per conference
-
Vic/tas south u19
Wa west u19
Nsw/act east u19
Qld/nt north u19
Sa central u19
-
The youth actually will get gametime

Lukosius idea is the way to go

Why not even just pick the wildcard teams out of a hat. Or even a panel that watches each conferences GF and vote who gets in.

Jackson would have been a real drawcard for this event and could have seen if she back up and play on a back to back schedule.


Albury went from the strongest league in South to the weakest in East , in south they consistently list by 30+ points most games , in East they won when Jackson played , Jackson bringing 30+points every game

They beat Townsville minus Alana Smith to get top four, but got pasted by a lot .

Without Jackson they really didn't have much that would have challenged the top teams in South , so it’s not really a true representation of the best teams
Needs to rethink the format ,
Maybe have more teams from each conference fir a best of three over two weeks ends

I like how the biggest problem the tournament had was that it had to be squeezed in quickly to a gap in the schedule that couldn't really accommodate it, and half the suggestions are "make it longer!"

anyone know what the winners get? Bragging rights or they get a good cash bonus for winning?

Even a week would still leave NBL players available, but what the SEABL has done in the past with no national finals in place isn't particularly relevant to what they'll do going forward.

So lets go back when there was a national final was still in september

what a Sh*t show of a thread!

i think its safe to say that how the national tournament ended up playing out left a lot to be desired compared to what peoples expectations for it were. The concept is fantastic to consider who is the national champion for NBL1 but it goes to show that there are still some kinks to iron out.

1 - the best players need to play. it goes without saying really. This was probably the biggest deflator to the whole thing. Logging on to watch teams compete for a national title that wouldnt even win their state title with the rosters they were putting out was a bit of a letdown.
2 - the right teams need to be there. i think the wildcard structure needs a bit of tweaking but many were confused why Frankston were there in the men. Not because they werent aware of the wildcard structure and that they qualified for that but the concept of them potentially becoming national champions when they struggled in their own conference didnt seem right?
3 - the games need to be held in the right venue. Nothing wrong with the State Basketball Centre but one of the courts used looked like a back court somewhere out there. The visual of how this looked on the live stream was embarrassing for the type of event it was showcasing. At times on the stream it looked like the lighting was so bad the players were almost playing in the dark. A couple of rows of stands with barely anyone in them. no atmosphere, which leads me to my last point.
4 - get some crowds in there!

There are some other opportunities to compliment the national finals which the NBL1 should look at. One would be holding a national 3 point shooting contest with the player who wins the best 3 point shooter award in each conference going into the event.
Even a national slam dunk contest would be great to bring some more to the event. Each conference nominating an entrant to represent them. Whether that was done by a panel or even by fan voting which would be a way to get more engagement. Pretty easy to do with social media these days.
It doesnt need to be a full All Star weekend feel but there are definitely creative ways they can add to the spectacle and get more from the opportunity.

On a final note, i thought it was a great opportunity for the commentators and the officials to play a part in the event too. Getting representation from different states in this regards was a great move.

Looks like NBL1 West have undisputed bragging rights for 2022!

Boomer,
Court 2 and 3 were dark in person especially when you just got blinded by the TV lights on court 1. Not sure what the issue was as its not normally that dark.

Junior finals are on at the moment which would have had some affect on crowd. Along with local footy finals, AFL finals. Also historically this tournament has had low crowds(Thinking back to the ABA days)

Lukosius idea is the way to go

No way*

1 - the best players need to play. it goes without saying really. This was probably the biggest deflator to the whole thing. Logging on to watch teams compete for a national title that wouldnt even win their state title with the rosters they were putting out was a bit of a letdown.

2 - the right teams need to be there. i think the wildcard structure needs a bit of tweaking but many were confused why Frankston were there in the men. Not because they werent aware of the wildcard structure and that they qualified for that but the concept of them potentially becoming national champions when they struggled in their own conference didnt seem right?

At times on the stream it looked like the lighting was so bad the players were almost playing in the dark.

Next year's national tournament will occur a month earlier than it did this year, per the fixtures that have been released.

Color me shocked.