Luuuc
Two years ago

Women's World Cup - Day 5

Tournament Home Page


11:30 - Belgium v Bosnia and Herzegovina
13:30 - Serbia v Mali
14:00 - South Korea v United States
16:00 - France v Japan
17:30 - China v Puerto Rico
20:30 - Canada v Australia

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Mr. Cam  
Two years ago

This is THE game. Australia MUST defeat Canada AND Japan to be able to finish at least second or possibly first in Group B.

In the game between Australia vs. Canada, the x factor will be Kia Nurse. She has yet to score in double figures in this tournament. If Kia can drop 15-19 points against the Opals, that should seal the deal. Bec Allen could have easily canceled Kia Nurse's points. However, it looks like Bec will be a no show due to injury.

At this point, it is quite clear that this Japanese Team is no where near Team Japan of the Tokyo Olympics. Australia and France can both beat Japan.

IF Australia can beat Canada AND Japan they will be 5 - 1
IF Canada losses to Australia AND defeats Mali they will be 5 - 1
IF France can beat Japan AND Serbia they will be 5 - 1

The FIRST tie breaker is head to head. The SECOND tie breaker: Points Differ- ential.

I am not sure, but in a scenario were France has a win over Australia, Canada has a win over France, and Australia has a win over Canada. The points differ- ential becomes the tie breaker and will determine the final group standings.

The first three teams of Group B have these point differentials: Australia has +62, Canada has +35, & France has +14.

The final group standings IF these teams finish 5-1:

1. Australia
2. Canada
3. France

The ONLY way Australia can reasonably expect to win a BRONZE Medal is to fin- ish first or second. That is the ONLY way to avoid Team USA and China in the qtrs. If the Opals finish 3rd, they become the lost blind man in the middle of the Outback without water.

FIBA uses this bracket system in their youth tournaments.

A1 will play B4
A2 will play B3
A3 will play B2
A4 will play B1

FIBA also used this bracket system in the 2021 Tokyo Olympic Women's Basket- ball qtr. draw.

B1 USA vs. C3 Australia - the Opals were eliminated.

Even a second place group finish will probably give you the Cats in the qtrs. And make no mistake, the Cats are fully capable of scratching the Opals eyes out. A first place group finish will probably give you the Puerto Ricans in the qtrs. And even thou it is not likely, they COULD beat the Opals on a good night. And so far, Arella Guirantes of Puerto Rico has outplayed every single player on the Opals squad.

Arella against BIH, the Mali of Group A.

https://www.fiba.basketball/womensbasketballworldcup/2022/game/2209/Bosnia-and-Herzegovina-Puerto-Rico

This is what Arella did against Belgium, a team fully capable of beating ANY team in Group B.

https://www.fiba.basketball/womensbasketballworldcup/2022/game/2409/Puerto-Rico-Belgium#tab=overview

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Weedy Slug  
Two years ago

Avoiding usa and China, all other teams are beatable.

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hoopie  
Two years ago

According to Wikipedia

A draw will decide the pairings of the quarterfinals. The two best-ranked teams of each group will be drawn against the two teams ranked third and fourth of the other group

Rather than A1 v B4, etc.

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+  
Two years ago

we should have a good scout of kia having her playing here in the wnbl.
It's up to the girls how hungry they are to win and play like last game.

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+  
Two years ago

i can find any updates on bec allen's injury ? she was just awesome v serbia

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Mr. Cam  
Two years ago

My point still stands.

I said: This is THE game. Australia MUST defeat Canada AND Japan to be able to

finish at least second or possibly first in Group B.

IF Australia loses to Canada, Australia will finish either third or fourth. I

did not use the CORRECT draw method, but the end RESULT is still the same. The

Opals will draw either China or Team USA in the qtrs.

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hoopie

The two best-ranked teams of each group will be drawn against the two teams

ranked third and fourth of the other group. Rather than A1 v B4, etc.

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+  
Two years ago

if we win this without bec allen - will be one of our finest ever wins

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Dunkman  
Two years ago

Allen is irreplaceable, who on the bench steps up for her.

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hoopie  
Two years ago

If we beat Canada and Japan, then China is beatable as well.

Would be a bugger if we had to work so hard to beat Canada that we ran out of legs against Japan.

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Mr. Cam  
Two years ago

hoopie
Today

If we beat Canada and Japan, then China is beatable as well.

Would be a bugger if we had to work so hard to beat Canada that we ran out of legs against Japan.

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Using your "logic" you could have written this:

If we beat Canada and Japan, then Team USA is beatable as well.

Would be a bugger if we had to work so hard to beat Canada that

we ran out of legs against Japan.

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It would be an even BIGGER "bugger" if the Opals had to work so

hard to try and beat Canada and then failed only to run out of

legs for the game against Japan.

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Luuuc  
Two years ago

I don't believe it's true that we MUST defeat Canada to finish top 2 in the group, but taking tie-breakers out of the equation is always preferable of course.

Would be a bugger if we had to work so hard to beat Serbia that we ran out of legs (and noses and ribs) against Canada though.

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Dog 55  
Two years ago

The points differential only involves teams involved in the tie on points so us (or anyone) belting Mali has no effect. France defeated us by 13 and lost to Canada by 10 so they are +3. That means we need to beat Canada by at least 16 to get our PD to 3 and then if that is a tie it goes on points scored with France on 115 and us on 57 so we need to score a total of 116 so we only need 59 which you would expect if we beat Canada by 16 or more then we would be getting 59. The best thing for use is for Serbia to knock France off so it is just us and Canada on 5-1 and then we get the tie-breaker based on head-to-head.
That of course is to finish first, to finish second we need to beat Canada by 12 to get their PD down to -2 and ours up to -1.

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SP  
Two years ago

Bec Allen is a huge loss and will exposes our lack of depth on the perimeter. Blicavs and Maley aren't really small forwards. Hopefully Wallace will get some more minutes.

Canada is beatable but the offence has to be better than yesterday's against Serbia. Allen's absence will hurt outside shooting and offensive spacing. Need to hit outside jumpers at a better clip. Also will be interesting to see how Opals defend quick Canadian guards Shay Colley and Nirra Fields as they had problems with Anderson yesterday.

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Luuuc  
Two years ago

Allen's absence hurts us almost as much at the defensive end, too.

Statement about her from BA this morning is about as good news as we could have hoped for

**Statement regarding Bec Allen**

Bec took a solid hit to the upper body during the Serbian game last night. She has been assessed by our medical team and has no apparent structural damage. She is with the team and is in good spirits. She will continue to be monitored.


Wallace was used sparingly last night so hopefully she has plenty in the tank for tonight

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Mr. Cam  
Two years ago

SP
A few minutes ago

Bec Allen is a huge loss and will exposes our lack of depth on the perimeter. Blicavs and Maley aren't really small forwards. Hopefully Wallace will get some more minutes.

Canada is beatable but the offence has to be better than yesterday's against Serbia. Allen's absence will hurt outside shooting and offensive spacing. Need to hit outside jumpers at a better clip. Also will be interesting to see how Opals defend quick Canadian guards Shay Colley and Nirra Fields as they had problems with Anderson yesterday.

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Canada's front line has done the damage in their first three games. Kayla ALEXANDER in the first two games and Bridget CARLETON in the third game against Japan. Canada has also played excellent defense. If I am Canada, I know that Bec Allen is a spectator. Therefore, I assign my best defender to man up on your best available shooter.

Kayla ALEXANDER C Age 31 6'4" vs. Japan

PTS TRB AST Steals Blocks +/- PER
6 11 1 2 1 5 13

Natalie ACHONWA C Age 29 6'3" vs. Japan

PTS TRB AST Steals Blocks +/- PER
6 8 2 1 0 20 11

Laeticia AMIHERE SF Age 21 6'1" vs. Japan

PTS TRB AST Steals Blocks +/- PER
10 6 5 3 1 3 20

Bridget CARLETON SF Age 25 6'1" vs. Japan

PTS TRB AST Steals Blocks +/- PER
19 6 1 1 1 15 20

Kia NURSE G Age 26 6'0" vs. Japan

PTS TRB AST Steals Blocks +/- PER
7 1 0 1 0 5 2



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Mr. Cam  
Two years ago

This is what a world class guard looks like on a team that set a new
FIBA scoring record for a FIBA Women's Basketball World Cup: 145 points.

MIN Pts FG 2Pts 3pts FT OREB
Kelsey Plum 27:06 19 6/11 3/6 3/5 4/5 1
vs. Korea 54.5% 50% 60% 80%
Game 4
DREB REB AST PF TO STL BLK +/- EFF
2 3 9 1 1 1 0 59 25

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Weedy Slug  
Two years ago

Against Korea.

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Luuuc  
Two years ago

Indeed. Get back to us once she has averaged 20+ for a whole season, or finished 2nd in the league scoring, or 3rd in MVP voting, or had multiple double-digit assist games, against WNBA-level opponents instead of Koreans.


Blicavs to enter the starting 5 tonight according to the scoop from Tolo on the pre-game show.

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Dunkman  
Two years ago

Blicavs, to slow, surely there is a better option.

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Interpreter  
Two years ago

Why is George starting again? What am I missing?

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hoopie  
Two years ago

Seems like we've gone back to the slow offence option. I was hoping that they’d repeat what worked against Serbia.

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Screeningnick  
Two years ago

Madgen must be a sensational leader because she doesn't do a single thing good as a basketball player

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Weedy Slug  
Two years ago

They based Madgens selection on the 3 Japanese games.
She dribbles and seems to go nowhere, so slow.

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Anonymou22  
Two years ago

Agree, Madgen not at the level.

Lack of perimeter shooting highlighted with Allen sitting out.

Bits look alright, but lack of balance.

A22

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twenty four  
Two years ago

Has there ever been a team that makes passing around the perimeter look as tough as the Opals do?

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Bigboy  
Two years ago

Magbegor is too good to not have the finesse to finish under pressure so close to the rim.

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Weedy Slug  
Two years ago

Seriously Poor selections by sandy. Hasn't adjusted since 2019, holding on to the 2018 WC roster.
Wallace n Maley hardly getting used.
Madgen, Garbin offer nothing at all.

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Dunkman  
Two years ago

When was the last time Madgen was any good, Allen massive out.

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Anonymou22  
Two years ago

Agree Weedy..

Wallace looks good but still needs a lot of work on her offensive game. But has the grit.

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Krammis76  
Two years ago

God I can't stand this commentary. I don't mind if they are a little biased but man it's just unwatchable!

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Screeningnick  
Two years ago

LJ literally moves better than Madgen & Blicavs.

It was so obvious that the team lacked ball handlers and what do you know any sign of pressure and it's a guaranteed turn over

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Weedy Slug  
Two years ago

Melbourne would have broke down defences and given us some grit outside of Wallace.

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Kanga  
Two years ago

Screen is doing my head in.

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Weedy Slug  
Two years ago

Spanish coach should be playing Amihere alot more.

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Weedy Slug  
Two years ago

I prefer the fiba commentators.

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hoopie  
Two years ago

Great comeback, Opals!

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Luuuc  
Two years ago

Pretty good fightback by players who offer nothing

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SP  
Two years ago

21-0 run to end the half!

Good to see Magbegor get going. They really got it together in the final 5 minutes of the second quarter. Let's hope they can keep it up.

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Weedy Slug  
Two years ago

Meeseman out of tournament.

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Dunkman  
Two years ago

Fantastic when you play mobile long players, #5 has been great at both ends, #6 starting to play like she did yesterday. Magnabor been great when used to her strengths.

Let's go opals.

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Weedy Slug  
Two years ago

Garbin is 6'2, that’s small for a pf.

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Vartsy  
Two years ago

Oh dear the commentary is unbearable.

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Anonymou22  
Two years ago

Talbot is a terrible passer.

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Dunkman  
Two years ago

Coach got no idea,

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Screeningnick  
Two years ago

Talbot such low iq.

How can Brondello watch Blicavs and still play her more than the others?

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Dunkman  
Two years ago

Garbin on 3 minutes left in the third, ridiculous

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Luuuc  
Two years ago

Costly defensive fail by Wallace

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Anonymou22  
Two years ago

Whitcob, Magabor and Tolo all class, when we have the right role players around them we look good. Tonight it's not Talbot, getting beaten on the first step..

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Weedy Slug  
Two years ago

Maybe sandy will finally start Ezi over George

Wallace ahead of Madgen, just make Madgen a 2 off the bench.

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Big Ads  
Two years ago

Opals doing a great job with a key player out against a great team.

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Weedy Slug  
Two years ago

A win and we could face a belgium team without emma messesman or Puerto Rico/Korea

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Luuuc  
Two years ago

Yes indeed, Ads

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Weedy Slug  
Two years ago

Canada, Great team or up and coming?
Havent seen them reach the podium.

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Weedy Slug  
Two years ago

Mitchell better than Whitcomb since 2018, lol...

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Weedy Slug  
Two years ago

Looking like we may take this.

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Big Ads  
Two years ago

Nor the Boomers until last year but they have been amongst the best teams not called the USA.

Canada being ranked 4th doesn't happen by luck and the Opals haven't been exactly world beaters themselves these past 5 years.

Just enjoy their performance, its been world class.

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Dunkman  
Two years ago

Magbegor been the difference, not enough time for #5.

What sort play was that.

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Weedy Slug  
Two years ago

The updated wr will be very different.

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Luuuc  
Two years ago

Shove that up ya, haters

Fantastic performance by the Allen-less Opals
Talbot immense
Ezi, Sami, Tolo huge
Excellent composure by some experienced heads was the difference

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Weedy Slug  
Two years ago

Canada seemed ok with not going for the win. Not sure the points difference will mean much for Canada.

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hoopie  
Two years ago

YESSSsSSS!!!!

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Dunkman  
Two years ago

Good point weedy.

Cracking win.

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SP  
Two years ago

Great effort from the Opals without Allen. The quality was still spotty but down the stretch, they played well. Magbegor was fantastic at both ends of the court - her blocks! Talbot was a workhorse and wasn't too far off a triple double. Even the much maligned bench players made some good contributions.

Now we need to take care of business against Japan tomorrow and hope Canada beat France. That would secure us top spot. If we win and France wins tomorrow, there will be an awkward three way tie at the top of the group and I don't think the numbers work well for us in that scenario.

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Dog 55  
Two years ago

Canada already beat France, we need Serbia to beat France tomorrow as both Canada and France have the PD over us. Serbia can finish top two if they win and we lose and since Serbia play before us, they will be playing hard you would hope.

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Weedy Slug  
Two years ago

George went from starting c to starting pf to just why?


Whitcomb-Wallace
Talbot-Madgen
Allen-Blicavs-Maley
Magbegor-Garbin
Tolo-Jackson-George



Need to see Wally and Maley a lot more.
Magbegor starting.



Will they rest Allen v japan?

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SP  
Two years ago

Oops, thanks for the correction. Serbia vs France will be a good matchup.

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Weedy Slug  
Two years ago

Japans new hc killed all of Horvasse good work in just 1 year.

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SP  
Two years ago

George starting over Magbegor is not a big deal if the minutes distribution is like it was tonight. Ezi was in there when it counted - it's not a huge deal if she's not in there for the first few minutes.

Forgot to mention Whitcomb who was outstanding at both ends of the court the night after a nose injury. She's playing her way into form.

Japan should be interesting tomorrow. The Japanese have looked off in this tournament and all things considered, the Opals should win comfortably. Still, they could find their shooting form and turn it into a game. The Opals defence has been pretty solid in recent games though and the Japanese have been turning the ball over at a ridiculous rate.

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Mr. Cam  
Two years ago

Luuuc
A few hours ago

Indeed. Get back to us once she has averaged 20+ for a whole season, or finished 2nd in the league scoring, or 3rd in MVP voting, or had multiple double-digit assist games, against WNBA-level opponents instead of Koreans.

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Team USA [Women] have won 9 Gold, 1 Silver, & 1 bronze medal in the Olympics.

Team USA have completed a SEVENPEAT at the 2021 Olympic Women's Basketball

Tournament. Team USA [Women] have won 10 Gold, 1 Silver, & 2 Bronze medals in

the FIBA Women's Basketball World Cup.

Get back to me when the Opals EQUAL our international medal count. Team USA

[Women] are gunning for a FOURPEAT @ the 2022 FIBA Women's Basketball World

Cup.

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Bol  
Two years ago

What a cracker of a game. I thought the Opals were cooked after the way they played against France. But they've been really inspirational since.

Go girls!!

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Screeningnick  
Two years ago

Serbia is guaranteed 3/4 but still hope they beat France tomorrow and Aus win so Opals finish 1st in the group.

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Weedy Slug  
Two years ago

#2China, #3Belgium or #4(Puerto Rico/Korea) qtrs

We beat the latter 2 imo.

We hope Serbia beat France or possibly it's Tokyo all over again.

A 5th to 8th placing would be a fail no?


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LV  
Two years ago

Best women's game I've ever seen.

The physicality, speed and skills on display. Big shots with hands in faces, athletic blocks. Awesome win

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Luuuc  
Two years ago

Excellent response, Mr. Cam

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Young Gun  
Two years ago

"Best women's game I've ever seen."

I agree LV (though I missed the WCs when we won gold

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Weedy Slug  
Two years ago

Spain v aus In 2018 semi I thought had more meaning.

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Bol  
Two years ago

I wouldn't mind the NBL games being officiated like that one. Allow the physicality let the soft ones go call the obvious ones and the games flows. As long as its called consistently at both ends

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Mr. Cam  
Two years ago

Weedy Slug
Today

#2China, #3Belgium or #4(Puerto Rico/Korea) qtrs

We beat the latter 2 imo.

[EXACTLY!!!] The hope Serbia beat France or possibly it's Tokyo all
over again.

A 5th to 8th placing would be a fail no?

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IF Australia can beat Japan they will be 5 - 1
Canada lost to Australia AND if Canada defeats Mali they will be 5 - 1
France beat Japan AND if they can beat Serbia they will be 5 - 1

The FIRST tie breaker is head to head. With FIBA rules we have:
France beat Australia and then Canada beat France and then Australia
beat Canada, Canada leads the group because they defeated France.
That shows the magnitutde of Australia's loss to France.

The SECOND tie breaker: Points Differential.

We now have the answer to what I had written here:

I am not sure, but in a scenario were France has a win over Australia,
Canada has a win over France, and Australia has a win over Canada. The
points differential becomes the tie breaker and will determine the final
group standings.

After day 4 the first three teams of Group B have these point different-
ials:

1. Canada has +32
2. France has +28.
3. Australia has +65

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I THOUGHT the finishing order would be this;

The final group standings IF these teams finish 5-1:

1. Australia
2. Canada
3. France

however, this is NOT correct:
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The last three games:

Canada vs. Mali Canada wins big
France vs. Serbia France should win
Australia vs. Japan Australia might win big

The final group standings IF these teams finish 5-1:

1. Canada
2. France
3. Australia
4. Serbia @ 2 wins & 3 losses if they lose to France

IF that is the final group standings then the qtr. parings:

Australia plays EITHER China or Team USA

Serbia plays EITHER China or Team USA

The ONLY way Australia can reasonably expect to win a BRONZE Medal is
to finish second. That is the ONLY way to avoid Team USA and China in
the qtrs. If the Opals finish 3rd, they ARE ROADKILL, especially if
they have to play Team USA.

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Weedy Slug  
Two years ago

That's why Most people are hoping for a Serbia victory tomortow.

Finish #4#-#3
We face usa and it’s 5-8th finish
We face China and it’s probably 5-8th

Finish #2-#1
We face depleted Belgium, we most likely make semi finals
We face pr/k, we most likely semi finals


5-8th sandys time is done
1-4th and she will get the paris Olympics job.

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Mr. Cam  
Two years ago

Weedy Slug
Yesterday

5-8th Sandy's time is done
1-4th and she will get the Paris Olympics job.

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I have a question for the Australian Basketball National Team fans

[Men & Women]. Most serious American soccer fans believe that NO

coach should lead the national team for more than one cycle or 4 years.

For your situation and basketball national teams, what do you Aussies

think is the MAX number of years for ANY coach?

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Weedy Slug  
Two years ago

2017 Asia - 2ndSilver/8 (Chambers/Lange)
2018 WC - 2ndSilver/16 (Brondello)
2019 Asia - 3rdBronze/8 (Brondello)
2021 Olympics - 8th/12 (Brondello)
2021 Asia - 3rdBronze/8 (Goriss)
2022 WC - ?/12 (Brondello)



Since Brondello and co got the HC job, opals are
56 games
37W, 19L
66% win record

Brondello as HC only
41 games
27W, 14L
66% win record


Record Tells us we have been abysmal vs Japan and China over 5 years.
Our best win was over Spain in 2018
Outside of majors, a win vs USA in a exhibition in 2021

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Weedy Slug  
Two years ago

Hopefully we can turn around our recent form vs japan/China, we need too

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Cosmo Spacely  
Two years ago

Looking forward to a time when Kristy Wallace's brain and body get into sync.

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Mr. Cam  
Two years ago

Weedy Slug
Today

Outside of majors, a win vs USA in a exhibition in 2021

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And that "win" against Team USA in an exhibition in 2021 did exactly

what for the Opals in their 79-55 loss in the 2021 Olympic Basketball

Quarter-Finals?

Stewart scored a team-high 23 points as Team USA defeated Australia

79-55 in the Olympic quarterfinals.

Breanna Stewart made sure that what happened in Vegas stayed in Vegas.

And that "win" against Team USA in an exhibition in 2021 will do exactly

what for the Opals IF they are drawn together AGAIN in a quarterfinals

at FIBA's 2022 Women's Basketball World Cup???

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Mr. Cam  
Two years ago

Cosmo Spacely
Today

Looking forward to a time when Kristy Wallace's brain and body get into sync.

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Sadly for you and the Opals, she is not a next level player.

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Mr. Cam  
Two years ago

Cosmo Spacely
Today

Looking forward to a time when Kristy Wallace's brain and body get into sync.

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This article covers the three rookies and one COLLEGE player that Team USA

brought into camp.

https://www.usab.com/news-events/news/2022/09/wnt-camp-feature-3_rookies.aspx

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This ROOKIE made the team.

Shakira Austin POS: F HGT: 6-5 WGT: 190 Current Age: 22 WNBA Team: Washington

Mystics School: Mississippi '22 Hometown: Fredericksburg, VA

Shakira Austin does not have Wallace's brain and body get[ing] into sync

problem.

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Dog 55  
Two years ago


Screeningnick
Yesterday

Serbia is guaranteed 3/4 but still hope they beat France tomorrow and Aus win so Opals finish 1st in the group.

No, they are not. If Serbia win and the Opals lose, then Canada is on top with 4-1 record and there is a 3-way tie for second place with 3-2 records, so we go to PD. Opals have played both France and Serbia, so our PD is +2. Serbia is currently -15 due to their loss to the Opals so they need to win by 17 to get that to +2 and then have to score more total points than we did against Serbia and France which was 126. They scored 54 against the Opals so they need to score 73 or if they score less than 73, they need to win by 18. Admittedly there is not much chance of that margin happening so be interesting to see how hard Serbia push if they don't get out to an early lead.

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hoopie  
Two years ago

Mr. Cam, re the idea of a fresh new coaching face every 4 years

If your coach has turned you into a winning program, why throw them out? I can see the value in the idea of bringing in fresh thinking and keeping up with modern trends and all that, but "if it ain't broke ...".

Two big differences between the USA and Australia: the number of competent coaches who are available for selection for the national team duties, and the amount of money which can be thrown at them. I suppose you could also throw in geographical proximity.

For example, the USA would have no problem hiring the Serbian women’s coach, and she would be only a few hours’ flying time away from home. Australia wouldn’t be able to afford her, and she would need a 12-15 hours flight to go home.

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Anonymightymouse  
Two years ago

"I wouldn't mind the NBL games being officiated like that one."

No thanks, that's what happened in the first half of last season (and in the late 90s and early last decade) and it was not pretty.

You can ref like that in tournaments or in playoffs because the importance and intensity of the game masks the ugliness. But a whole season of 40% shooting and lots of turnovers under physicality makes a league hard to watch.

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Anonymightymouse  
Two years ago

As for the Opals, their wing P&R defence had big issues (guard icing, big preparing to show) and their entry into offence still struggles, but apart from that was an excellent performance, especially without Allen.

You could say they gave up too many o-boards, but with the aggression they were defending with against a more athletic opponent that was always a risk, and one worth taking as it turned out.

Great timing to hit some outside shots, Madgen and Garbin huge and Whitcombe just Whitcombe! Tess has an important role to play as a defensive SG, but they need to get her upcourt and away from ball-handling duties.

Another huge game tonight, any word on Allen's recovery?

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SP  
Two years ago

Kristy Wallace made a big boo-boo yesterday but considering what she showed in the WNBA, I think she'll be ok in the future. She does need to relax a bit on court but I wonder how much of that is on her vs the coaching and what she is being told to do. Playing point guard would certainly put more pressure on her because she hasn’t really done that since playing at Baylor.

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Mr. Cam  
Two years ago

hoopie
Today

"and the amount of money which can be thrown at them."

Your knowledge of American Basketball is sorely lacking.

Number one: NCAA DIV Coaches [Men & Women] make WAYYYYYYY more money than
USA Basketball National Team Coaches. When Dawn Staley coached Team USA
last year in the Olympics, she took a HUGEE pay cut. USA Basketball pays
well, but not that well.

Dawn Staley salary: $2.9 million per year. Apr 1, 2022
The University of South Carolina re-upped Staley in October with a seven-
year contract worth $22.4 million deal that runs through the 2027-28 season
and makes her the highest-paid head coach in the SEC. Her annual salary
starts at $2.9 million per year, but reaches $3.5 million by the final year.

Number two: For example, the USA would have no problem hiring the Serbian
women's coach . . .

Another example of your APPALING lack of knowledge of USA Basketball. NO
FOREIGN Coaches EVER for Team USA, is that clear to you? To the best of
my knowledge, USA Basketball has NEVER interviewed a FOREIGN coach. Be-
sides, why would they, we have the BEST coaches in the world, men and
women.

USA Basketball is a fraternity and a Team USA coaching appointment is a
PLUM prestige postion. We have a coaching bench that is three-five levels deeper than any other national basketball federation. We EXPORT players
and coaches, we do not import them.

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Dunkman  
Two years ago

It was a cracking game, I'd take reffing like that, let them play. The nbl refs call so much soft stuff.

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Luuuc  
Two years ago

Kristy Wallace made a big boo-boo yesterday but considering what she showed in the WNBA, I think she'll be ok in the future. She does need to relax a bit on court but I wonder how much of that is on her vs the coaching and what she is being told to do.

Relax a bit, with "a bit" = maybe 1%
Yes she needs to play smarter, but it's also refreshing (to me at least) to have someone starting on the far side of the intensity line and needing to dial it back a tad.

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Anonymightymouse  
Two years ago

"I'd take reffing like that, let them play. The nbl refs call so much soft stuff."

There have been many stretches, some lasting years, when the NBL refs call the game like that? That's why it's considered one of the most physical leagues in the world.

The second half of last season the officiating changed to call it more tightly because the huge physicality meant low scoring, low percentages and high turnovers over the first 12-13 rounds.

That's ok in playoffs or a short tournament, but over a full season it is a poor advertisement for a league like the NBL, when people can watch a clean game like the NBA where stars are allowed to shine.

It would be nice to find a balance between the two, but over the 35 years I've been following the NBL that has rarely happened.

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Anonymightymouse  
Two years ago

I like the way Wallace has been playing, provided real aggression off the bench. She hasn't been perfect in a tough position, but she's definitely been more positive than negative IMO.

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Luuuc  
Two years ago

To Wally's credit she confines her aggression to the basketball court, unlike some

Link

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Mr. Cam  
Two years ago

Luuuc
A few minutes ago

To Wally's credit she confines her aggression to the basketball court,

unlike some

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j7cFd1yB5kY

This is the moment that Shakira Austin introduced herself to

Liz Cambage and said: Hello my name is Shakira, what's yours?

And yes, she is here in Sydney, causing all manner of mayham

for Team USA opponents.

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Weedy Slug  
Two years ago

Minutes breakdown per game

Talbot 28
Whitcomb 27
Allen 25
Magbegor 22 - /25
Tolo 21 - /24
George 18 - /15, more for Tolo and Magbegor
Madgen 15 - /12, more for Wallace
Blicavs 14 -/11, more for Maley
Garbin 14 - /11, more for Maley
Wallace 12 - /15
Jackson 9
Maley 8 - /11


/like to see




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hoopie  
Two years ago

Mr. Cam

Thank you for all your corrections. I'm sure that we’re all the smarter as a result.

My basic points still stand - Australia cannot afford the absolute best coaches, and the geographical distance discourages most foreign ones from coming here.

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Mr. Cam  
Two years ago

hoopie
A few minutes ago

Mr. Cam

Thank you for all your corrections. I'm sure that we're all the smarter as a result.

My basic points still stand - Australia cannot afford the absolute best coaches, and the geographical distance discourages most foreign ones from coming here.

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"Australia cannot afford the absolute best coaches, . . ."

Why can't you just develop your own cadre of coaches?

And it is true that USA Basketball has plenty of $$$. But no one is

quite sure how much.

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