Manders
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Permission to Train

Anyone know why a player needs to fill out a permission to train? This is the most anti-competitive measure I have seen and is likely completely illegal. Why should a child ask for permission to train somewhere else, particularly knowing that "adults" at their current club are likely to take a dim view of it. Happy to be given a sensible reason for such a measure, but actually it is a very draconian measure and does not set the right example for our children.

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Massive  
Last month

the current club want this form to be filled to grant or deny permission?

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+  
Last month

needs more explanation please ? in what context.

1) has the season started ?
2) is the form for the club they are leaving or going to ?
3) if a player hasn't transferred - it's probably polite to advise current club but not a requirement.

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Anon  
Last month

It is to stop players that aren't financial moving to another club to avoid payment

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+  
Last month

makes sense if that has been a problem for that competition

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SixersFan  
Last month

Anon I don't think that is the case. If a player is not financial then when they go to get a transfer then they won't be approved until they pay.

I don't see the reason for it. I think clubs are just trying to control everyone with this rule.

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+  
Last month

I understand here - you can train with another club but can't transfer or play gameday with another club if owing $. Clubs may be happy to transfer someone that doesn't pay - just depends on the circumstances.

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Manders  
Last month

What's interesting is that a club like Melbourne spruiks heavily at its presentation day the fact that it has had heaps of registrations from elsewhere (read Keillor). In fact it was a Gaze that said it. It will be a real test for Melbourne - will they support their own kids or allow an influx from elsewhere? This will be on the Gaze name - will they be Tigers people? Culture matters ... a lot. And given the excited announcement at the presentation it will be on the Gaze name as to how they deal with the next month or so.

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Mr. Cesp  
Last month

Melbourne ran 10 teams in multiple age groups this season. Doubt they'll be turning anybody away. They also regularly have club hoppers come and go.

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Hedge  
Last month

You're an idiot if you think the Gazes have anything to prove in Australian basketball.

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LV  
Last month

In the 90s loads of kids went from Broady, Coburg to Melbourne but with Keilor being such a premier program now, and guaranteed chance to play championship (if you get selected) why would anyone bother

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LC  
Last month

Genuine question: Do Melbourne even have any 'home-grown' talent? Most of their players come from other domestic programs.

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CC81  
Last month

Nice cheeky dig at Melbourne there. I know Waverley has a large number of kids playing domestic in its competition but rep at Melbourne. Have always wondered how strong Waverley would be if they could stop the leakage...

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DeepWombat  
Last month

There is a mass exodus from Keilor currently due to this incident:

https://www.heraldsun.com.au/truecrimeaustralia/police-courts-victoria/former-keilor-thunder-basketball-coach-liam-glascott-stood-down-amid-police-investigation/news-story/f95a725e32caffb481038b98e6b26e5f?amp

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Karma Basketball  
Last month

"Permission to Train" is just that ... a permission to train at another association. Nothing more. It is not a request to transfer associations.

A PTT form is supposed to be a confidential request that is sighted by four entities ...

1/ The player requesting the PTT
2/ An authorised representative of the player's existing association.
3/ An authorised representative of the association the player wishes to train with
4/ An authorised representative of Basketball Victoria.

The authorised representatives of the associations are usually the DOCs.

It is implied that PTTs are not discussed beyond the entities described above. And I would suggest that any authorised representative talking out of turn would constitute a breach of trust that would have bigger implications - especially if the association requested to grant the PTT decides to publicise the PTT requests

It should be noted that PTTs can be time limited and the typical duration is between 2 to 4 weeks.

Any association that restricts a player's opportunities within, and then tries to hinder them for looking elsewhere is not doing it's job properly imho.

You can't have a bet each way. Either give that player a decent opportunity, or give them the freedom to chose to go elsewhere.

In my experience, any player requesting a PTT at another association has usually decided to move already, often because they perceive they have not been given the opportunities they expected. Players that are truly valued by an association rarely, if ever, request PTTs unless there are extenuating circustances (eg. moving a long way away from an association.)

And in the case where an association denies a PTT request, Basketball Victoria can investigate the situation and overturn it if the association cannot reasonably justify the denial.

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