boiledlollies
Years ago

Is it time to deny clubs a div 1 side?

Women's basketball at junior level is a massive disappointment with byes , lack of teams by some clubs and certain clubs not being able to put up sides of div 1 quality.
There is almost no weekly competition for some teams because their greatest rivals play within the same club in one or other of the several teams in the div 2 that the stronger clubs have.

Like it or not the top clubs have a monopoly on talent and more importantly numbers.
The smaller clubs are dying and their numbers are very poor especially in the girls where some clubs can't put teams on the court in Div 1 or in too many cases div 2 either.

Why should certain clubs who don't have the numbers and are unlikely to regain numbers retain their rights to have div 1 status?

No one is ready to bite the bullet and adopt the Zone argument so that a fair and equitable playing field is created which ensures talent is equally divided and which is the only way for the present number of clubs to survive so we must go the next alternative and cull.

Is it time to pro/rel and cull the number of clubs before people walk their kids to other sports?

Take a look across the district basketball site at the number of girls teams at div 1 level, what clubs has or hasn't got one , what the result margins are weekly then take a look at the div 2 etc. In the div 2 scene a sure fire way to kill interest in the sport is to have norwood 1 beat norwood 2 in a grand final or sturt 1 beat sturt 2 etc.

BSA = FARCE

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ringlord  
Years ago

zoning,relegation,1 team per club per division are the tools needed to combat this downfall of quality in girls basketball.

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ringlord  
Years ago

Actually we wouldn't need relegation because clubs would have a good spread of talent among all teams if zoning was introduced. But the one team rule per div must be essential!

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.  
Years ago

pro / rel across the board - get them playing at their standard - if they excel - promote.

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Cat in the Hat  
Years ago

The above post is the most sensible thing ever posted on Hoops, even if it has been said here about 1000 times already.

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Vodka 93  
Years ago

ringlord,

Nothing could be further from the truth. Team numbers are a product of the current market where there are lots of more options thanin the 90's when basketball rode th Michael Jordan/NBA wave. Since then football and netball have done a much better job of marketing and there is more options for kids to play different other sports.

Zoming wont make these clubs stronger. Name all the Centrals juniors that are currently playing elsewhere that would make them a stronger team. In the girls, other than Fergus who is over 23 and Cutri, who is OS, the mansfield girls are the only player that might be in that team.

If you look at the 4 bottom clubs they all have 1 thing in common. They have all contnually made the same mistake of over spending at ABA level while failing to employ someone to rectuit new players into the club. I would sugget North will be the next team in this category if they dont make a change.

During the 90's South had 50+ junior teams. But rather than employ someone to increase that as the market place changed, they spent all their money and even were in massive debt to win ABA championships. Now they still dont have a JDO and are struggling for teams.

During the 00's Eastern and Woodville both spent all their money rather than employ someone to recruit in the belief that an ABA champioship would propel them to the higher level, but neither can enter teams into all grades from U18 to U12.

Centrals have had the same cycle over the last 20 years. Spend for a couple of years than go broke, change committee, focus on juniors, improve numbers, than take all that money and spend on ABA again and go broke. It is obvious what point of the cycle they are in now. Spend.

Zoning will not change the decisions these clubs make with regards to their spending, it will only decrease the number of kids in the sport and the distort the market place which dictates what decisiosn these kids make as to WHAT sport they play.

Under pro/rel these clubs will be forced to make decisions for the better long term development of their club, or risk not having div 1 teams, which is almost always the current case anyway, so essentially nothiong will change except club will need to do what is best for their long term development.

Zoning is bad economic management.

Pro/rel is using market forces to allow smart decisions.

And please, please dont try and say that clubs will gladly employ smoeone if only they can claim all players from their zone, because they will only have a decrease incentive to do so than they do now. Not an increased incentive. Only pro/rel will increase the incentive as it will make them lose a potential div 1 spot if they fail to develop.

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Jack Toft  
Years ago

I think the question should be. "How do we get more girls into basketball?" (or stay)

By getting more girls into basketball, the "pyramid of talent" broadens and you'll find the players will enjoy it more.

I think everyone agrees the whole shooting match is one big "Cluster F#ck". The talent is concentrated at too few clubs. As a result the competition is not balanced and the divisions bear no relevance as to the actual standard. There are some teams in Div 1 who would get smashed in Div 2, some teams in Div 2 that would be competitive in Div 1. Same with Div 3.

Would pro/rel work? I actually doubt it very much.
Would zoning work? Possible, but could drive some girls away.

I think you find the solution actually revolves around lifting clubs up, not putting them down. Currently, when one club has more girls teams in one division than an entire club, well punters, that's the problem.

My solution, get more girls playing, the standards will stabilise.

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Vodka 93  
Years ago

So Jack, how do you make clubs who would rather spend all their money on ABA divert their money to a JDO?

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Jack Toft  
Years ago

The olde $64 question!

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Jack Toft  
Years ago

What's your solution V93?

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tnt  
Years ago

South have had a JDO for several years. Money for nothing me thinks....

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Jack Toft  
Years ago

.... and the chicks for free.....

(sorry, showing my age)

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Team Player  
Years ago

Improve the standard of your junior coaches and the results will come.Get your ABA players coaching the young ones as part of a player/coach contract and throw some cash their way.

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Vodka 93  
Years ago

South has had a Coaching Director.

Never had a JDO going into schools and recruiting players, running aussie hoops and domestic competitions.

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Jack Toft  
Years ago

Just heard back from my mate Pat who has crunched the stats on the girls (U12 to U18)

He said that each grade has an average score, and around that there is a standard deviation (SD) (for those who aren't maths nerds, just understand that some variation is normal and standard deviation just shows how much)

Grade Ave (mean) SD
U12-1 31.4 16.6
U12-2 25.6 16.8
U12-3 23.1 12.6
U14-1 46.3 15.6
U14-2 25.5 11.6
U14-3 29.9 16.8
U16-1 48.7 8.0
U16-2 31.1 10.3
U16-3 To hard to do with pro/rel group
U18-1 49.3 11.2
U18-2 31.3 10.2

A team is measured by how far away from the mean they are and this is measured in SD units. This way, teams can be compared across grades and divisions if needed.

A game SD unit is the sum of the for and against SD units. The "worst" teams are further away one direction, the "Best" teams the other way. There is a strong correlation between SD units and win %. The equation for you poindexters is:

Win % = 50% + 15.65 x SD units (R2 = 84%)

Are you ready for the "Worst" 3 girls teams after six rounds?: (This is not meant to be an attack on any one, or any club)

U14-1 North - 4.06 SD units
U14-2 North - 4.03 SD units
U12-3 Norwood - 4.00 units

The "best" 3 teams are.....

U14-3 Magic + 4.09 SD units
U16-1 North + 3.79 SD units
U16-2 Eagles 2 + 3.43 SD units

In Div 1, 48% of all teams are +/- 1 SD, 37% in Div 2, 28% in Div 3.
For teams +/- 2 SD's, D1: 76% of teams, D2: 63%, D3: 78%

What does all this mean? Div 2 is the issue, not Div 1.

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Vodka 93  
Years ago

Absolutely Jack.

Because pro/rel is not used in div 2, it will be the biggets area of issue.

As for solving the issues.

1/ Pro/rel accross the board. It will not only force clubs into alllowing better resource allocation. It will also allow clubs to develop at their own pace. And less players will quit because they are out of their depth. If a club does the work and develops a good team at U12 level. It will be more obvious if they develop over time and to therefore guage their development program.

2/ Assistance. BSA would need to set some benchmarks that clubs need to meet, quarterly, yearly and 3 yearly to receive assistance in the way of funding for a JDO/CD. I would suggest things like school visits, aussie hoops and domestic competition initiation would be the key KPI's.

Not that hard.

Intervention in decisions not the market.

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tnt  
Years ago



Exactly Jacky T.....no "chicks" (I will forgive you, old one) nor junior girl
basketballers!!!!!
Even with zoning,for which I admit been a fan, one look at facilities, very average coaching and a terrible win/loss record, I would certainly be knocking on Contax door.
Would you deny a club on facilities alone...well hopefully not...(maybe it could be a diamond in the rough), but if you look good it's good marketing. Been surrounded by F/Ville, Sturt, and Southern in the old days may not have been a factor, but not now. In this economic climate people want value for money, a reasonable level of satisfaction and a good balance of win/loss. But competitive with good results at State Champs and Winter finals..
The option of some friendly little socialisation and a drink or two on a Friday night is a great wind downer from a tough week in "the office".

All adds up. I think South is in trouble....especially for the girls. Nothing to strive for!!! Maybe South are just happy to make up the numbers.
I admire the girls they come out every week and try their hardest.

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Anonymous  
Years ago

V93.

I am curious who you think are the bottom 4 teams and who are the top teams.

Things are slowly changing in some areas but not in all areas. Southern are showing signs of improvement and so are the boys at Woodville. You need to focus on the younger age groups to identify change not 18 s and to a lesser extent 16 s. when you look at Div 1s Forestville appear to taken over from Sturt who are still strong but seem to be slipping slightly.

Norwood is a real anomaly. Everyone rates them as one of the big 3 but their Div 1 performances so far this season are appalling. On the girls side no U 10s and all the way through to U 23s they are 7th or 8th and this is in some age groups where there are not even 10 teams. On the boys side it is marginally better due to their good U14 team which is 1st but apart from that they do not have much in the top 4. By the way let's not forget that the U14 team would not be where it is if it wasn't for a big influx of players from other clubs several years ago which some may recall. These performances by Norwood do not warrant them being rated a top 4 club if you consider Div 1 performances. Where has Norwood got it wrong?

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rabbit  
Years ago

#797 - you are looking at ladder positions half way through summer season. The ladder so far is meaningless. Having said that I agree that Norwood's girls program is not in great shape. As for the boys, you can't possibly make a judgement yet.
However I'd say that 14s will probably be favourites to win State Champs. 16s won State Champs this year, and 18s were runner-up at both State Champs and winter. Their 16 and 18 boys have been consistently successful over a long period of time, in fact I'd say only behind Sturt in terms of success.
As with a couple of other clubs, it's their girls that need to tun it around.

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mimas  
Years ago

Also, can anyone please tell me that there is a typo in the 16 boys results for last week. I'm sure West didn't really defeat South 49-0??

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Anonymous  
Years ago

This week they have Sturt and may only win one game. They are slipping and having seen them several weeks ago their U 16s and U 18 s are no certainties to finish top 4 at the state champs this year. We can debate this but surely a club as large as them and often referred to as one of the big three should not have performances which make you question whether or not they really are at that level

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mimas  
Years ago

16s will for sure.

18s maybe not. Nearly all first years I think.

I'm not arguing the point with you. Just saying you probably should wait until State Champs to make those decisions. The same could be said for Forestville over the last few years, but in reverse. Their girls program has been great, but the boys have been up and down, with some very good teams, and some who have been WAY off the pace. Same situation but the other way around. To be honest the concept of a big 3 is probably a load of crap anyway.

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Jack Toft  
Years ago

BOYS Div 1:

70% of teams +/- 2 SD's.

"Best Teams":
U12-1: Forestville + 3.17
U14-1: Norwood + 2.86
U16-1: Sturt +2.80

"Worst Teams"
U16-1: Centrals -3.31
U14-1: Centrals - 2.96
U18-1: South - 2.64

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.  
Years ago

pro / rel - so what if forestville have 2 div 1 sides - if they have the talent - we should not be letting them fade away because they don't want to go and play Div 1 at a nearby club.

if you look at later clubs joining BSA in the 70s and 80s - they all worked their way up the ranks over the years - built by solid foundations.

most girls just want to play a bit of sport with their mates and be good at it.

i can tell you now the biggest way to kill junior girls basketball is put a team in the wrong grade so they get thumped - they will quit / lose interest first opportunity.

some girls want to play for the opals and lightning - dont think u10s,12s or 14s even think about ABL.

basketball has a popularity - mainly thanks to our heavily USA marketed lifestyle (top 20 songs film clips of skateboards and basketball and fashion - oversized basketball singlets) celebs at games etc.

Lot of USA made youth movies have basketball in it - name some other sports (maybe soccer) that finds it's way onto your TV screen.

As i have said before - if you don't win any games and have a % of less than 33 (ie cant get more than 1/3 of your opponents' score - go into a more relevant division.

Q. Would you play a div 3-4 player in a div 1 team ?
A. No

then why play a Div 3-4 team in Div 1 and the same in reverse.

do not play div 1 players in Div 3 - let the results speak for themselves.

This may require some hardwork for all involved - but I can tell you there is more sense of achievement rather than spoon fed.

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.  
Years ago

clubs will peak and trough - I recall west being light on for juniors in a couple of age groups around 5 years ago and appeared to have turned it around - they are to be commended on this.

It also appears to snowball once a negative trend starts - you seem to have to wait til it passes naturally (usually an influx new people with the right attitude)

being involved in the sport for a long time here - being good / successful is not something you can always just pick up.

Do the hard yards and earn your stripes.

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Anonymous  
Years ago

Zoning won't work, if an area has a population that has no kids in it the club will die!!!

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Evil Eagle  
Years ago

"so what if forestville have 2 div 1 sides - if they have the talent - we should not be letting them fade away because they don't want to go and play Div 1 at a nearby club."

We are centrally located and the hub between all other clubs. BSA look after us, so why should we not have as many div 1 sides as we can find coaches for.

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Anonymous  
Years ago

BASA was owned by the 10 member clubs. It was bailed out with tax payer money. The craziness of clubs getting discounted court hire, bar and canteen revenue and BSA development officers has to stop - they wouldn't in BSA venues if BASA hadn't been setup and bailed out with taxpayer money.

Surely that is was the commissions charter was??? To ensure fairness and equity across the whole metro area to give all kids access to the elite pathways.

Everyones game??? What a joke!

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Evil Eagle  
Years ago

What's wrong with getting cheap court hire?

If a club is smart enough to exploit BSA, why not?

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Anonymous  
Years ago

Because BSA wouldn't be there if it weren't for all teh clubs PLUS tax payer money. Its not there to help out a few constituents.

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Phadreus  
Years ago

The 10 district clubs contribute over $1M to BSA.

Some clubs would contribute more the $150k which is more than Country and Church combined.

Social ball would contribute a similar amount.

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Anonymous  
Years ago

Evil Eagle, I would think guys deserve double div 1 sides if were not recruiting from other clubs.

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Anonymous  
Years ago

And 90% of what BSA do is for the District clubs.

So they get more then their money back in service.

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Phadreus  
Years ago

But the district clubs and association model is where BSA stands to increase their revenue from the most.

Without clubs BSA doesn't exist.

Without Church and Country BSA runs along just as smoothly.

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Anonymous  
Years ago

Trying to make a level playing field is nigh impossible given the various condition and size of facilities used by clubs, some of which are BSA managed stadiums some of which are not. Some clubs get some assistance with JDM's most don't. There are various differences between clubs in what they get or don't get.

How can say a South or North compete with a Forestville or a Sturt which have 3 Court stadiums WHICH are heavily scheduled by BSA. The benefits of canteen turnover is significant when you consider the throughput of players and spectators v these smaller stadiums which are not fully utilised. Should the playing field be levelled up in this area?

What about Norwood and Centrals and Woodville and Mavs which do not have access to BSA stadiums and I believe lack of proceeds from canteens.

What about the upgrade and benefits flowing through to Southern flowing through to them. Is this being subsidised by all clubs or players from all clubs?

I do not begrudge clubs who have worked hard to improve their lot but at the same time they need to acknowledge benefits being passed through to them due to efforts outside of the club, one of which is the revenue stream generated by canteens and the like driven by usage of their stadium. This revenue stream helps with employing JDM's and other staff as well as offering discounted registration fees, free uniforms etc to "help" those wanting to shift clubs!

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Phadreus  
Years ago

But Sturt and Forestville, and Norwood actually give BSA more revenue, due to their large numbers of teams. Southern not so much even though they probably have had the most spent on their stadium. Surely that is the pay off for their benefits.

PS BSA dont own Pasadena or Wayville. DECS owns Pas and The show grounds owns Wayville. BSA just holds a lease.

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Anonymous  
Years ago

Too many clubs. We all know it yet nothing happens. Players at Woodville souths mavericks etc are they really district level players?

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Evil Eagle  
Years ago

I'm glad of what BSA does for my club, thanks!

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Anonymous  
Years ago

the upgrade of morphett vale was paid for by government grants not BSA

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reality check  
Years ago

careful not to confuse a belief / myth with reality.

belief / myth = all equal

reality = not, everyone is on their own

everyone says 'nobody should go hungry" yet it doesn't matter at the local supermarket - if you don't have the $100 for groceries, you walk out empty handed.

Everyone "should have shelter" yet if I don't find my $800 a fortnight rent - the land lord will put us on the street without blinking an eyelid.

Some of the better set up arrangements are because of previous people working very hard to get things this way in years gone by.



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Anonymous  
Years ago

Phadreus,

Forestville team numbers are much larger than all other clubs. South and North are virtually on a par with Sturt and Norwood and Tigers.

I guess that would irk those clubs even more. They are bringing in almost as much revenue to BSA as the clubs you mentioned but then, due to their facilities, have their members putting more cash across the canteens of other clubs due to their stadium size and where games are scheduled.

BTW with the revenue comes additional cost to BSA to run those games although one would hope their is some net gain to BSA.

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Anonymous  
Years ago

Anon,

So why does BSA have a debt servicing charge covering the Morphett Vale stadium upgrade??

Reality Check,

Perhaps there is some truth in this but these arrangements were done many years ago under the control of BASA. We now have BSA!!

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reality check  
Years ago

some people may rather pay extra fees and not have to volunteer at the canteen.

Some can not pay extra fees and would be happy to volunteer at the club to compensate.

Everyone is different.

They are basketball clubs nothing more or less.

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Anonymous  
Years ago

Its beside the point that these clubs have larger player bases and therefore contribute moer money to BSA. It has nothing to do with what BSA's role is. If clubs want to generate revenue then they should be free to. However, BSA should be seeking a commercial return from these clubs for stadium hire and canteen/bar leases. These clubs dont have rights to bar/canteen/discounted court hire/development officers that BSA (the rest of basketball) own.

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Anonymous  
Years ago

Which clubs have BSA development officers??

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Anonymous  
Years ago

I think the issue is that BSA Development Officers have been accused of directing children not playing district basketball to clubs that are not their closet club.

In my case, it was not BSA, but an SAC Official who told me to send my daughter to Norwood as she would get "better development"

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Anonymous  
Years ago

Better than what?

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Tee  
Years ago

I just wanted to answer this question from above:

Q. Would you play a div 3-4 player in a div 1 team ?


Yes, beacuse sometimes you have too.....Even though i'd rather not, i did not have the numbers to choose from, so to get the kids involved they had to play in div 1 as it was the only team.

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Anonymous  
Years ago

Norwood Best Junior Team in Australia and Best Junior Player in Australia. Hard to see them as not a Top Three Club.

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Anonymous  
Years ago

OK I'll bite! What team and from which team does this so called best player come from?

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Anonymous  
Years ago

OK I'll bite! What team and from which team does this so called best player come from?

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Anonymous  
Years ago

I think he is referring to the team that two years ago finished bottom half of U12s at the classics whereas Sturt finished 2nd.

I am guessing he thinks the best player comes from this team as the rest of the Nirwood juniors are big under performers for a top 3 club. As for who that is I am guessing he did not play when we tackled them earlier this season as I didn't see anyone I would say is best junior on Oz

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Anonymous  
Years ago

A 'Lady Remington' shaver would remove the excess palm hair and you could also prevent future blindness by getting another hobby #879

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Really  
Years ago

BSA makes around $100 per gameafter paying ref's and door.

Doesn't include court hire. Which they account as $44 for BSA stadiums and less for most others in actual payments.

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Really  
Years ago

Sturt actually is larger than Forestville.

Forestville has 68 teams

Strt has 54 teams + 15 Domestic teams = 69 teams.

Norwood has 55

Southern have 52

South have 50

North have 46

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Anonymous  
Years ago

Hold the boat...........

If BSA are charged less at "non-BSA" stadiums, wtf do they schedule games there?

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ringlord  
Years ago

Not getting any school Gym sharing agreement with all the stimulus money that was thrown around is a real shame for basketball SA ,look at Woodville highs Gym what a dump -surely if the government was approached and told that 60 teams from 2 clubs would rent out the facility something could have been worked on.North could have struck an agreement with the new super school at Gepps cross instead of the shed they are at now.

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rednblue  
Years ago

#879 - I'm a Norwood person, and you're really not helping. Let the boys do their thing, and come back after State Champs/Classics.

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Anonymous  
Years ago

There is a fantastic 3 year old from Sturt who is the best dribbler on the face of the planet and Forestville report an unborn but vibrant prospect who will be the next biggest thing in basketball however, the Norwood's groups' early toilet training has paved the way for seers to predict that despite being from Mars, fame is a long way off.

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dion  
Years ago

Actually one of the things I like about that Norwood u14 group, and the reason in my opinion that the TEAM will be successful, is that they DON'T have a standout. A good balanced team in my opinion, which makes them hard to match up against.

#879 obviously just talking up his own kid.

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Anonymous  
Years ago

Dion,

I agree they do have talent generally across the team but in my opinion in U14's even more than U12's they will struggle against the Vics in the talls department. They have no strong inside presence of any height. Their tallest player prefers to play outside and will struggle against the Vics

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Anonymous  
Years ago

Didn't we ahve this discussion when this group in 12s and what happened Norwood? Do you parents ever learn?

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Anonymous  
Years ago

pps syndrome at its best

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Anonymous  
Years ago

925, spoken like a coach with a crystal jaw

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Phadreus  
Years ago

Or maybe one that has seen this kids of stupidity acted out by paretns over numerous year enabling kids to the point where they dont work hard enough to reach their goals. Kids who find that down the road they reach a point where they are that good and just give the game away.

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Anonymous  
Years ago

It is so obvious that kids should be kids and others should not let their own failures and inadequacies from when they were kids get in the way do you fit that 928?

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Anonymous  
Years ago

Well said Phradeus!
PPS Syndrome at it's finest. Thought they'd learn from the embarrassing way they conducted themselves in 12s and the way that ended for them.
I guess not...

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Anonymous  
Years ago

for those of us uneducated what happenned in 12's?

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Phadreus  
Years ago

Someones dad got on here proclaiming his kid was the best U12 basketballer in the country.

A lot of us felt very sorry for the kid.

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Anonymous  
Years ago

fair enough feel soory for the kid with a dad like that

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Anonymous  
Years ago

This whole PPS is in the minds of those coaches who are unable to handle being questioned and have no concept of pyschology

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Anonymous  
Years ago

Nice try PPS parent, but you fail.

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Anonymous  
Years ago

971, you're a good example of DCS.

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tnt  
Years ago

Seriously Norwood people. Stick to the topic...it's not always about you. It's a bit like a game plan...if you deviate you will loose credibility.

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ringlord  
Years ago

So far we have votes for pro-rel,but that just might get big clubs with 3 teams per division-not really a good outcome.I agree all clubs should ideally see what they are doing wrong & develop young players better but in the real world that is still a bit off.Then again with zoning the big clubs wouldn't be so big , maybe a big number of kids wouldn't play anywhere else but where they are now.I think zoning (if introduced ever) should start with the new generation of players starting from year 0 and let existing ones stay where they are.

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Anonymous  
Years ago

Zoning yes but cut at least two clubs

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annon  
Years ago

Just noticed that South Adelaide no longer have a Div 1 team in U18G ( draw has just been revised) or U16 girls.
Their U23G Div 1 has won one game this summer and they are not running a Women's Div 2 at all.
No depth, no attraction. What is happening?

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Cat in the Hat  
Years ago

Just a question for all those in favour of zoning...

How would you go about zoning West, Woodville and Magic, especially given that two of them have the same home base?

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Anonymous  
Years ago

Magic is a social 3 club and would go.

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ringlord  
Years ago

If zoning was introduced Warriors & Magic must come to an agreement.

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Anonymous  
Years ago

Yeah ... Magic can play in the St. Clair domestic while Woodville play in the District competition.

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anon  
Years ago

yes, lets have Woodville and Magic come to an agreement - just like last time yes yes yes we will agree to all your requests and then come the crunch no no no we will just absorb you and you will be Warriors.

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Anonymous  
Years ago

south did not put a div 2 side in due to the aba coach some of the girls wanted to play from last season put all they have done now is lost more players

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