Justin
Years ago

Marty clarke

How many games does he get before he gets the sack?

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Kobe24  
Years ago

After who he started the 4th quater with, id hope none. Disgraceful to NOT play your most aggressive potent scorers to start the 4th after somehow fighting back to be within 1. His coaching style i actually find offensive towards the fan base, as though we dont see what he is doing compared to what should be done. Very hard to get loud and emotional at a game when you know your OWN coach is going to eventually make you play catch up again.

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Quasi  
Years ago

Depends how much he'd have to be paid out I would think. Because at the moment for a team that has promise, they are not performing. There has been no obvious improvement on offense or defense since he took over and they seem to have the habit now of fading out in the last quarter. And being told to foul in the last minute or two when you're already 14 points down is ridiculous, all you get from that is a blow out loss.

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Kobe24  
Years ago

Taking the starters too long to get warm and good to go in the 4th when that have sat for long stretches. Brett Maher and Cat would have never started a 1 point contest at 3 quarter time on the bench for the 6ers... so yeah im done with it all now. Very disappointed in the coaching and rotations. Breakers were there for the picking today, definitely not as sharp as ive seen them previously, Clarke doesnt know how to coach to win.

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Ricey  
Years ago

Starting to think his achievements at AIS are complete luck. How can anyone be so retarded at coaching? Seriously, somebody take him to a doctor to see what disability he has.

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Anonymous  
Years ago

36ers outscored 25-13 in the 4th to lose by 13.

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Justin  
Years ago

Aldo its been said before but what does Stevie weigh do to justify his minutes? Another 4/15fg game to back up his 4/14fg game on Thursday. Creek is an absolute waste on the bench while weigh is throwing up brick after brick

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Justin  
Years ago

Also*

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dr who  
Years ago

well with ballinger and croswell both out for the season it is looking grim, Nathan has snappped his achilles and ballinger by all accounts has done ligament damage.

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Anonymous  
Years ago

Hey, at least you can beat Perth! It seems that's all the 36ers care about...

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Anonymous  
Years ago

'Starting to think his achievements at AIS are complete luck'

What achievements were those? Did I miss them winning the SEABL?

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paul  
Years ago

Did Clarke have any major achievements at the AIS, in terms of winning? No medals at WCs from memory.

Is Mitch Creek playing injured? If he's not, how can you possibly justify playing one of the best 19 year olds in the world miniscule mins behind Weigh who isnt playing that well?

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Jack Toft  
Years ago

Mitch Creek needs more minutes. 10 minutes is not enough. I have p!ssed for a longer time.

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Mystro  
Years ago

Bear in my you just lost to the defending champions who are sitting top of the table with only 3 losses and their squad bar their exceptionally good American PG and a 10 year NBL vet all won a title last year together, most of them play together for NZ and have for some time and few of them play together in the NZBL in the off season so that stable roster chemistry goes along way to beating teams like Adelaide who have their star player in Ballinger injured and a bunch of new guys.

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KingJames  
Years ago

I don't think a coach can be consider good by merely coaching the AIS.

Lets see you get 10-15 of the most talented 17-18 year olds in the country. You train them almost every day. They live and breath basketball during this time. How could the players turn out bad?

This is why I never gave Clarke credit coming into the Sixers however I gave him the benefit of the doubt since how great of a coach everyone pumped him up to be. Unfortunately we have all witnessed how great he has been.

If we don't beat Hawks on Friday there is no way he should continue as coach.

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Spinner  
Years ago

Weigh would probably leave if Marty was sacked!

32 odd minutes
4 of 14 shooting - thats a sizzling 27%

What makes that sad is that is good for him. Again rewarded with the second highest minutes! Well I guess if the coach thinks W/L isn't important in professional sport, we have no chance of being anything other than a fail.

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Anonymous  
Years ago

'Starting to think his achievements at AIS are complete luck'

What achievements are those? Did i miss them winning the SEABL?

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KingJames  
Years ago

For the record I thought the Sixers did a good job to stay in the game today. I was always expecting us to lose as NZ are way too strong with a better coach. However the team to start the last quarter was obviously wrong and shows how bad of a coach Clarke is.

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Mystro  
Years ago

I def agree that his 5 to start the 4th was not ideal especially as the Breakers are playing their best basketball down the stretch. Why give them a lead that you won't get back?

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Diesel  
Years ago

Creek would have to be considering other NBL options at some stage soon. Weigh is clearly Marty's favourite & plays regardless of his current form! Creek needs at least 25 minutes per game to develop & with Weigh taking the lion's share of minutes at the 3 spot, Creek must be feeling a sense of frustration! At times today the 6ers looked like a rudderless ship, what the hell is DJ doing bringing the ball up the full length of the court against pressure! FFS it's not that hard to work out an effective press breaker Marty! Marty needs to stop working the umpires so hard & put down some effective offensive & DEFENSIVE systems that his team can execute!

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HoldenV8  
Years ago

Clarke now has the ultra-unimpressive pro record of 12-27 with the 36ers.

If Moose Robilliard was reportedly under the pump a couple of weeks ago then what will it take for Clarke's job to be on the line?

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TL47  
Years ago

Saddest thing is the fans are dropping off like flys. It was dead tonight.

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Kobe24  
Years ago

Warren looked pissed off to be benched so much tonight aswell, had a solid 13 point 1st half never got a chance to get in genuine flow in 2nd half. Shame on you Marty Clarke, you have no regard for winning, nor keeping imports happy who will hopefully be here longer than you. If i was one of the imports id be calling my agent saying 'hey i love the country league is good, but next year lets try for the Tigers or Kings, this coach is killing me'.

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SRT070  
Years ago

Seriously, can someone please do an Audit of Clarke's finances?? No rational person would have started with that 5 in the 4th quarter against the breakers, its suicide.....unless you put some money down on the breakers??

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KingJames  
Years ago

Apparently there was 4350. I didn't think there was that many?

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Anonymous  
Years ago

lol hell no, unless they are counting everyone twice!

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Needsadrink  
Years ago

Massive issue with Marty's rotations that I now believe needs to be justified to the board. Time for strong leadership to emerge and realise that for this to continue unabated is an insult to the Adelaide bball community who can see what is going on. In Sydney Clarke rested Simpson in the last quater and gave Halliwell more minutes than ever before in a clutch situation. Tonight we all saw the starting 5 for 4th quarter. Weigh to me seemed flat footed and running gingerly yet still got far more minutes than he deserved with little output. He is not our marquee player, 4th or 5th best option in my book. Seriously I think the situation as to why he gets so many minutes has to be investigated, has to be more to it. If it is in contract terms then whoever signed contract without a get out clause such as failure to perform should be held accountable. How can the owners be at the games and not see Clarke's actions and sense the crowd dissatisfaction??? Time for action.

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Anonymous  
Years ago

Were'nt you happy with the last wins?
So many red neck supporters
Just apply for the job let us know whne and it will never happen your real name so we can all bag the shit outta U. Do you go to a game at all support your club? I doubt it.

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Anonymous  
Years ago

Thanks for the heads up boti.
xpect it.
Just don't count on it. I dindt and won.

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alexkrad  
Years ago

until next week when the 36ers get a win and you all decide that Marty's coaching is finally paying off

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Wayne  
Years ago

If this was the NBA I would say he is tanking to get a high draft pick

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Kobe24  
Years ago

Im havent been impressed with much of anything he has done as a coach this season. The wins in Perth just show even more so how inconsistent his coaching has been, and I guess shows perhaps Radford is good for 2 wins a season as the almighty assistant. Dark days in Adelaide. Im at a point where i actually think the more losses now the better long term as Clarke will be sacked sooner, thats how ridiculously bad the situation is now. 12-27 record with no signs of changing his style as coach, shows arrogant coaching and a stubborn man imo.

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Hendo8888  
Years ago

To be fair... Helliwell was on in the clutch against Sydney because Ballinger was injured and Johnson was on 4 fouls/fouled out (depending on which point you are whinging about.

Daly started the last quarter because Crosswell was injured and noone else on our list is able to play the point. He obviously doesn't like using Warren for an entire quarter and I'd rather we use Daly at the start than the end of the quarter.

Weigh got 32 minutes tonight. We were playing 2 men down, so our players were always going to get extra minutes. Johnson got 35+ minutes. Simpson got 30+ (i'm assuming he isn't fit enough to play more and he plays well in bursts, not sustained efforts).

It would appear that our structures are designed around our 4 central players in Warren, Weigh, Simpson and Johnson. It's only natural that the main guys will get the main minutes. Weigh is easily the most (could argue only) versatile player. He can help out ball carrying (where Ng and Herbert don't appear interested at all), he can log minutes at the 4, he can make the inside or outside shot... It's obvious to me, watching them play that Johnson and Weigh are who the majority of our plays are run for or through, so that's why they get the 30+ minutes. Simpson is more of an effort payer who gets his numbers through hard work than someone who is important to our structure on the court. He also strives on bringing energy, playing him 35+ minutes or for an entire quarter affects his effectiveness. Warren is prone to coughing up the ball at times and tends to get his points in bursts. He can come in and score 10 points in a row, or he can miss 5 shots in a row. Giving him a spell when he isn't making shots tends to lead to him piling it on when he returns.

We were up against the top team today. We were missing our best player from the last 5 years and our vice captain also got injured. For the majority of the game apart from a couple stretches, we were beating or at least breaking even with them. 99% of people probably expected us to lose. If we had Crosswell starting the last instead of Daly, we could very well have not given up the first 10 points and could have taken the win.

Injuries can't be used as a constant excuse, but tonight it definitely can.

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Isaac  
Years ago

I think the Weigh fandom comes from Radford more than Clarke.

Missed the game tonight (day of xmas functions) so I can only go by stats and fan reaction, but having the coaches report to the board over rotations might not be a silly idea. There's the risk of it being termed meddling though, but oh well. Someone suggested Boti putting these questions to them, but Clarke and Boti fell out very early on which is why you see Boti using quotes from press conferences more than direct conversations with Marty.

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Do an audit on Clarke's finance's, or do we need to check who's in his Dream Team, Weigh must be his captain.

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Kobe24  
Years ago

Warren had already been off for several minutes before 3 quarter time. No excuse for our solid starting pg to not be leading us in to the 4th quarter. Not to mention Simpson.

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paul  
Years ago

Hendo, I dont think you can make a reasonable defence of the Weigh/Creek split of minutes. It simply doesnt make sense and could well mean another club has one of Australia's best young players next year.

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confused  
Years ago

Hendo, im ok with a loss and yes i did intend on losing unfortunately. BUT when both teams have had double digit leads and yet at the end of the third, its a 1 point game. I think opinions change, and a win is in sight, then you start your bench and 2 minutes later your down 10. No excuses, injuries aside. Balls hasnt done a thing this season, its just awkward to watch. And Crosswell is easily covered by a Herbert or Ng. The other bench players had no right to be starting a 4th quarter with a crowd desperate for a W watching on. If the main players are calling their own subs cos they are stuffed ok then, but they werent, so play them. You're done in this city now for sure Marty, will never have my respect, and although that doesnt mean much to you, i am one of many loyal paying season tickets holders, so i help pay your way through the 3 year plan.

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Needsadrink  
Years ago

In most situations board intervention would be perceived as meddling, but the way I see it, Marty's decision making is consistently questionable. The board / owners should now be intervening to ask him to justify why he should stay.

It is impossible to tell what may have been, however I am confidant there were a few games at least where we were in with a chance of winning had it not been for poor team discipline and questionable rotations.

Weigh had a couple of good plays tonight but overall tried way too hard to be the "go to" guy, perhaps to justify his minutes but it didn't work and I think this ridiculous faith by Marty to stick by him is putting way more pressure on Weigh and effecting his performance. Maybe Boti has nothing to lose by trying to get whatever media attention he can to expose the decisions behind this whole situation.

I also think when Ng is on, some plays should be run for him. He is a 3 specialist, and often when given a chance and a clear shot, delivers on a pretty high basis. Tonight he got some decent minutes but hardly saw the ball rendering him ineffective. He and Creek should be getting a share of 10 or so of Weigh's minutes.

Another thing the team could work on is discipline. I remember good old days in under 16's. If I didn't box out or stood by and watched an easy basket without at least attempting to change the shot, benched. Simple but effective behaviour modification.

As someone who has hardly missed a game since '91 I am really frustrated at seeing the team I love being coached in such a fashion. I think Marty should be given a chance to show he can change, but if he continues to persist with Weigh and questionable rotations then in the best interests of the club he needs to leave.

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Skud  
Years ago

I choose to goto work today rather than watch the frustration of the Crap this guy has made our team. When working outweights going to the basketball I begin to wonder.

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ANON12  
Years ago

This subject has been addressed ad nauseum. However, Clarke's record at the AIS did not really matter to the AIS. As has been previously stated, the AIS is all about the development of players. The results of games in the SEABL are irrelevent as the AIS does not care. Therefore Clarke is impressive? as a development coach but does not appear (on the results) to have a winning mentality, he coaches "younger" players well, but does not relate well to "adult" players who may have an opinion (similar to Mike Dunlap). Probably that is why he does not like Boti because he was being asked questions which related to his coaching 'style' and game plans - which from the results does not include 'how to win'. It also appears that he will not be shown the door because of the length of his contract and the fact that the 36ers owners would not be able to afford to show him that door. If all the above is true then 36ers fans are in for a long sad season which could carry over to next season. How many fans will still be there if this is the case????

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Anonymous  
Years ago

The win/loss "care factor" at the AIS in SEABL is irrelevant - you always want to win every game you play in. It doesn't wash. Gordie McLeod coached there, so did Phil Smyth. People don't say the same things about them.

If you're the head coach you don't want to teach the best young players in Australia how to lose on purpose and you certainly don't want to lose for your own ego.

Plus, for a majority of the kids there, they are preparing for Junior National team duties, an environment where you want to win - you're not getting them ready to lose, you want to win a medal or at least compete to get one.

And Clarke did better than most - 4th in New Zealand in 2009 with a team that wasn't loaded with amazing talent (like 2003 in Greece and 2005 in Argentina), knocked out in the quarters on the buzzer against Brazil in 2007 in Serbia. This year's Emus managed 6th, remember.

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paul  
Years ago

Clarke didnt do better than most, he did a solid job of getting 4th and 5th around the mark of our usual results.

Argentina in 05 wasnt a loaded team.

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Isaac  
Years ago

The men-vs-boys thing is just a distraction repeated over and over. If anything, it should be a discussion on structure-vs-instinctive-play. I suspect our coaches are led by the results of structured teams like Perth and NZ.

Of course Marty wants results and job confidence. As I said last time, he's focused on the right decisions bringing those results rather than blindly flailing - the W-L comment was a huge misstep in trying to explain that. Of course, the issue is that those results aren't coming as they should. The rotation beef from fans is growing more obvious, bizarrely enough.

The owners are not idiots. If fans flee, they will make changes if they should be made. The discrepancy though is that they won't make rash decisions (canning a coach after five games or cutting someone without a replacement) at the whims of some fans. For this reason, it will always seem like their actions trail the desires of the vocal. Remember how long the noise against Smyth rose before Boti started to comment and then before the club moved him on.

For every commenter suggesting that x needs to go or to sack so-and-so, there are those critical of chopping and changing each season or even each game. Everyone has the answer, but of course that answer is rarely the same.

One big thing with fan relations now is that there is a complete disconnect between fans and coach. With Boti not included there, the club needs to find an alternative. e.g., if there is a valid reason to not overplay Simpson, make it clear. Or why Creek isn't seeing more time, etc. Don't have to give away coaching secrets, just provide some reasoning to placate the dissatisfaction.

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Camel 31  
Years ago

They meet with him every Monday.
Today , mostly Crosswell n Ballinger.
We got Daly n Warboutt , but that's not Bruce n Khazzouh.
'Wot about Creek n Simpson and Weigh brings the ball up pretty good?'

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Kobe24  
Years ago

Isaac I agree completely, IF the club/coach can give the educated fan base valid reasons for the unusual to say the least coaching style im ok with that. Right now i feel i could do a better job, and im not a very good coach haha

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Skud  
Years ago

Clarke has shown he doesnt care about opinions and is more involved with trying to make us look like a bunch of idiots.
Every press conference he has he takes a jab at fans...thats some smsrt business sense!!!

In relevance to how long they took to move on Phil Smyth..very different scenario as you were talking about a guy who won 3 championships with the club..compared to a guy who keeps us bottom of the Ladder and has never gained big fan support.

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paul  
Years ago

Well said Isaac.

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EC  
Years ago

You can sugar coat the situation, you can add hundreds and thousands and a thick coating of dairy milk chocolate but the fact is we are a losing team. To have only won 1 game at home is attrocious. To have won a total of 3 games out of 11 is even worse. I have said it time and time again, why does it need to be an expensive excercise to sack a coach (or even player) and bring in a replacement? What does a club have to pay for non performance? In fact, if Clarke had any decency, he would admit that he is not capable of performing the job he was employed to do and resign by his own accord. How can he continue to stay in his position and deliver the same s..t game after game? I am sick of going to every game and seeing him there as it immediately tells me what to expect and reminds me of the failure this team is going to be for another season. In fact, I have not seen any sign whatsoever that next season will be any better because he has made absolutely no progress from day 1.

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ANON12  
Years ago

Isaac,
IMO you are incorrect with regards to the men/boys attitude. Having lived in Canberra and seen the AIS program the development game plan and the way the coaches treat the players is a teacher/pupil role and this carries over to the game plan in SEABL. It was also the attitude of Mike Dunlap (similar backgorund) when here was here and look at that failed venture, particularly from the point of view of some adult players who were "treated like children". IMO (and I apologise for repeating my comment) Clarke does not possess the mental toughness or indeed knowledge to coach an NBL side. With regards to losing games, it is not just five games in a row, it is the overall losing record and the fact that the 36ers have remained at the bottom of the NBL ladder since the new coach was appointed.

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Anonymous  
Years ago

I doubt they'll move on Clarke given they would have to payout the year and a half remaining on his contract and then pay a new coach.

At best they'd just promote Radford but still can't see that happening this season.

I think it wouldn't be until after the season that they would even seriously consider sacking Clarke and like Isaac implied why would they move earlier when the 36ers are #1 in the league in attendance this season?

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Isaac  
Years ago

ANON12, the Sixers fared pretty well when Dunlap was here and saw success soon after, didn't they? Though it was criticised at the time.

Goorjian worked players very hard through trainings and through the Boomers camps. I think it was about strategy over freestyle more than it was about looking down on pupils.

At this point, my issue with Marty is the lack of flexibility or adjustment which is why I think the men/boys is just a distraction every time.

FWIW, Crosswell came to Adelaide not to coast as a vet, but to be pushed harder.

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KB3  
Years ago

sorry which coach took us to the 1994 GF?

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Anonymous  
Years ago

What is wrong with starting your bench in the 4th quarter? U don't want your starters playing the entire last quarter so sit them at the start of the 4th and start bringing them in with 7-6 minutes to go and have them play the rest. NBA teams do it all the time with the star players.

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Anonymous  
Years ago

Move Radford on, put B.Maher in as assistant. If Marty walks because of that, so be it. Why Mahersy? Because he will sort the playing time and rotations out. The team is close, very close, but the minutes given to whom and when is the factor that is killing them. Cracks are appearing now in body language when players are subbed. Nip it in the bud now before it is totally too late.

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Anonymous  
Years ago

Interesting that Wilkinson didn't start the last qtr. for NZ.
From memory he came in with about 6mins. to go where he then proceeded to dismantle us single handely. Food for thought...

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Isaac  
Years ago

Kings started the fourth quarter against Adelaide with:
Madgen, Dann, Martin, Bose, Khazzouh.

I thought it wasn't uncommon to start the fourth with bench players too.

Cairns had Brebner and Kerry Williams to start the fourth in their close call against Melbourne.

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Kobe24  
Years ago

Anyone who believes the Clarke was in the right for starting the bench warmers to start the 4th in a 1 point game is uneducated on what it takes to win. That 5 was outscored 9-0 in 2 minutes. And thats fine for NBA teams to start bench players in the 4th, NBA teams play 48 minutes, have much deeper benches and in many cases are better coached than the 6ers.

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ineedmore  
Years ago

Dear Marty, apologies for almost missing this opportunity to sink the boot in.

You stink.

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