Annon
Years ago

Is Boti right?

Reading Boti's article in the Saturday Advertiser, is he right?

Old systems, BSA in a slumber, poor and out of date SASI and terrible stadiums?

It would seem the only way forward is to get a recently retired politician head up the commission , look at reports that were put together recently, adopt different strategic ways to move forward, rather than the same old same old every year with a lot of "mirror discussions" with no actions.

Love or hate Boti's articles in the paper, this time he has hit the nail on the head and raised many issues we all know are there, but we don't have the correct people,systems to deliver A better result for players, parents and volunteers

Has he got it right?

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OKC  
Years ago

Is there a link to the article anywhere?

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Anonymous  
Years ago

Yes he is.

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Moses Guthrie  
Years ago

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Interested  
Years ago

I believ it is the same group running BSA as was running BASA - that probably says it all. Job for life! with no accountability.

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OKC  
Years ago

I don't know why he references SASI, since they no longer fund the elite program in SA.

And that program & it's leader have produced all the names he mentioned succeeding interstate, as well as Newley & Ingles, plus numerous who are in the college system in the US.

I don't think it's that SA aren't producing quality kids as much as the 6ers are horrible at identifying & attracting the local talent.

I agree with a lot of what he's said, just not that point. I don't think it'd take too much arm twisting to get Peregrine involved.

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Anonymous  
Years ago

Current board is held back by rules and regulations imposed on them....however it has NO leader or leadership and is more worried about counting how much profit it can make instead of finding new ways forward and improving the very poor state of basketball in SA.

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HO  
Years ago

It is very hard to change the dynamic in sport.

My view is that BV is quite mediocre, and is really only successful because of sheer weight of numbers, as opposed to excellence.

If BSA is held back by archaic rules then that makes it hard for your CEO to implement change, if indeed the CEO is capable of initiating change.

Rarely do reviews help. You could argue that the major review of football has brought a lot of money into the sport, but it remains wrestling with the same issues that have affected it for so long.

Would an independent commission help? Only if you can retain the impetus of your clubs (and engagement) even if they have no say.

What you really want though is Government leading this change (as it did with Football) because then they have to put their money where their mouth is to support it.

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Team Player  
Years ago

Actually Forestville developed Newley and Noarlunga developed Ingles, SASI have just taken the credit.

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Anonymous  
Years ago

There is no "board"

The Council and below them the Commission are in charge, and the self interest in these management bodies is the reason basketball at grassroots level continues to fall apart.

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Titan  
Years ago

Team Player,

How is that they managed to prduce those players, but have failed to produce anyone since without them being in SASI.

Are you sugesting that Forestville or Noarlunga could produce playrs without SASI?

Most of Boti's points are reasonable is unattainable; but the SASI one seems poor when he names a number of SASI players in the same article.

You could have

Import/Daly
Newley/Ng
Ingles/Hill
Holmes/Forman
Schensher/Import

Might no wok under the cap/ponts system. But would be a good team made up of SASI players,

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Anonymous  
Years ago

Yes and 3 of them were SA Country as juniors but Country dont try and claim them either. SASI has a huge input, I agree.

Shannon Seeb. would be another to include, if he didnt have his medical condition.

Did Ben Madgen do SASI, or just a Mavs junior and country rep who developed at college?

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Titan  
Years ago

Madgen was SASI, you could change him for Hill

In the Girls

Veal/Marino
Newley/Minear
Madgen/Langford
Bishop/Hodges(nee Summerton)
Francis/Import

Doesnt include

Romeo
Hargraves
Martin

All went through SASI and doesnt include NCAA DIv 1 college girls like;

Nagy
Seekamp
Farley
Mansfield
McPhail

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Anonymous  
Years ago

Just because a player did SASI doesn't mean it helped or developed them.

No mention of where those players could be if SASI was better either.

Anyone who's seen the SASI/BSA Development program in action knows its out dated and has issues just like those Boti raised. That's the point that everyone is missing in this pissing contest.

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anon  
Years ago

Basketball could look at the Netball SASI program, I have seen both netball and basketball first hand and there are significant things basketball could learn. Firstly they concentrate on the few kids who ARE likely to make National/International teams, as well as communicating with clubs/coaches for follow up training, both country and metro are on the same page.
More girls play netball but they take only 12-14 athletes in the 14-17 yo age group and do quality training with them. Makes more sense then the volume that does basketball SASI

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Titan  
Years ago

anon 968,

That is impossible to prove.

But its not like players who aren't in SASI are making it to the elite level.

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Anonymous  
Years ago

titan, it is catch 22, you don't make it form without SASI and only earmarked players have any chance. A complete waste of time and energy

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Titan  
Years ago

Isn't it the job if SASI to earmarked those players though?

And from those lists, it looks to be doing a decent job.

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anon  
Years ago

yes it is SASI's job to earmark players but what also seems to happen (from experience) is there are a whole second tier level of player that is in each year level that will clearly not develope further but are there as cannon fodder for the elite player. And that is how they are made to feel...cannon fodder. I

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Titan  
Years ago

The catch 22 is that if you don't have enough. You might "miss a late developer" ala Brad Newley who didn't make u16 state.


Too many and your cannon fodder.

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Titan  
Years ago

The catch 22 is that if you don't have enough. You might "miss a late developer" ala Brad Newley who didn't make u16 state.


Too many and your cannon fodder.

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Anonymous  
Years ago

How many might have had a shot under skilled management? Having a non communicator as coach doesn't enhance the sport and those who have passed through and gone on would have excelled under any circumstances but the few who had real talent and were not god's children, were badly let down by the structure and personnel of which Boti speaks.

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Titan  
Years ago

It wouldnt matter the structure nor person involved.

There will always be 'the ones' who claim that under a different structure they could have made it.

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snoz  
Years ago

Titan , Ben Madgen did not do SASI . Was told he wasn't good enough . His siblings , Jack and Tess did

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Anonymous  
Years ago

Simply put Titan while blinding defending the program can you honestly answer the questions reaised of it.
Are you claiming that the SASI model is working?
That the Director of it is the right person for the job?
That training practices that have changed in the last 2 years let alone last 10 years have been learnt and applied?
Are you going to deny that there is a club bias or that some parents are too heavily involved?

SASI as it is can help. But is it the best program for development of athletes. Not even close.

Why is it so wrong to attempt to perfect the program? Why are you defending a program that could be improved on?

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Anonymous  
Years ago

because titan is involved somehow, probably wears a blue shirt on a friday night too

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Titan  
Years ago

snoz.

You are wrong!

All programs can improve.

All programs can be worsened with change.

I disagree with Bti's claim that SASI has not produced NBL/WNBL talent for the 36ers/Lightning.

The above list show it has.

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Anonymous  
Years ago

Its easy to complain but what are the changes that would improve things?????

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Anonymous  
Years ago

No the above shows that some players whom went through SASI made it to NBL level.

It doesn't prove that the development they received by the SASI program got them there.

Newley, Ingles, Schenscher, Holmes, Forman ... All incredible players before joining SASI and they deserve the credit for where they got in my opinion.

And where is the next group? Since Ingles SA has produced no NBL calibre players.

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Anonymous  
Years ago

Sam Johns just made the Australian Under 17 side, sixers should sign him up now!!!

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snoz  
Years ago

Titan I am not wrong . You said ' Madgen was SASI ' I only am commenting on that not the pros and cons of any program

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Titan  
Years ago

Snoz

Ben madgen was in SASI.

And if SASI has nothing to do with that crop of players. How is it then accountable for the next crop.

Not fair to pick and choose where accountabiluty starts and ends based on what suits your argument.

Again Boti said that SASI had not produced players for 36ers.

That list says otherwise. Rather they haven't Bennett held/recruited by 36ers.

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snoz  
Years ago

Titan you are not listening Ben Madgen was NEVER IN in the SASI program . Perhaps you should contact Neil to confirm this .

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Anonymous  
Years ago

Why doesnt BasketballSA release the high performance review.........I think Boti has all his answers there and some more!!!!!

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Anonymous  
Years ago

The answer for talent is football .

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