Anonymous
Years ago

NITP selection camp for U16

The process for the U16 selection process is a joke.
They now invite over hundred girls and boys at each camp which cost $110 .Kids that are aged 14 and 15 they only select 10-15 athletes imagine at such a young age they are already limiting the hundreds and girls or boys that play basketball to 10 -15 kids for the NITP programme. This is a disgrace so no wonder kids are leaving basketball, what hope does it give them of making anything if at that age is it already so limited. basketball victoria gives kids no confidence and is only there to make money out of them.

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Anonymous  
Years ago

Basketball Victoria is responsible for giving the each and every kid that plays in their comp "confidence" as you put it.

Wow! People these days think the world owes them something. How about you take some personal respsonsbility for your child and stop blaming the world?

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Anonymous  
Years ago

do you even know what kids confidence is??? obviously you have none or no idea how to raise them.

no one owes anybody anything but you should not group kids in elite spots at 14 years of age every body develops at different ages

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Anonymous  
Years ago

NITP is for the elite players - for FAR too long these programs catered to far too many player who quite obviously had no chance of playing at a national level.

Good decision to narrow the focus to those with obvious national potential.

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Anonymous  
Years ago

Exactly. 12-14 years of age is the ideal age to start the TI process for an international sport like basketball. If they grow late, and show potential then add them later.

It is important clubs respond to the NITP becoming more elite by developing their own tiered accademies and programs. This will give your son/daughter the recognition that kids crave.

In terms of moving to other to sports. Most sports have TI processes starting at 14. Gymnastics starts at 8, swimming at 12, tennis at 13 etc. AFL starts a little later but then again AFL isn't an international sport and really doesn't require the sport specific motor skills of some of these other sports.

If your son is a legitimate prospect and if your son feels like they missed out just do what a few poorly skilled parents do and tell them that NITP is corrupt, meaningless, full of nepotism and run by fools. That will solve your problem of them feeling inadequate by missing out, instead of focussing what they can do to get an opportunity to make the NITP program.

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Anonymous  
Years ago

^ love everything about this comment

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Anonymous  
Years ago

I'm sure if Basketball Victoria had more funding they would offer the NITP to more kids. Sadly they don't have it, so have to limit the numbers.

Broken record here, however:

Basketball is not funded equitably when compared to "Aussie sports" like cricket, netball and AFL
Basketball is controlled by the lowest levels, so domestic clubs control associations, and associations control BV . So money sits in the accounts of domestic clubs, associations overpay administrators and fund SEABL imports from junior fees, and people complain that there are no places available in NITP.

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Anonymous  
Years ago

*and why was it a "son"???

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Lion  
Years ago

When will the U14's start here in SA? Who are the coaches?

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Anonymous  
Years ago

When little Johnny playing met 4 doesn't get an invite to ITC camp everyone bitches about equality. when he get cut its because the coaches play favs.
The only kids invited to ITC tryouts should be kids playing VC. The rest can go work on thier game more to get to that level. ITC is a REWARD not a right.

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Anonymous  
Years ago

It has nothing to do with funding, it's because basketball Australia wants to make it an elite program. And rightly so! The same has happened here in SA. There used to be 30 excellent players running around under 2 coaches. Now there are 15 elite players trained under about 6 or 7 coaches. Much better system for elite development don't you think? Not sure how it works in Vic, but here coaches of clubs nominate players who they consider "elite". They go to a camp, and the kids basketball sa identify as elite (top 15) are invited to train in the NITP, and develop as elite players. If your child isn't considered an elite player by your div 1 club coach (or whatever the VIC equivant is) chances are basketball Victoria are not going to consider your kid elite either. In this case having elite potential means potential to play for a senior national team. Again chances are if your not top 100 in your state, you have little chance of playing for the opals or boomers. Be realistic. I think it's an excellent incentive from basketball Australia to make the NITP in all the states a true elite program. Well done BA

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Anonymous  
Years ago

Ah, not to do with funding?

And why only VC players?

Why should playing at a weaker club or team exclude you?

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Anonymous  
Years ago

spoken like a true parent of a mediocre player.

Why is it so bad to focus on elite players, where do you think our state and national players come from.

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Anonymous  
Years ago

I am in NSW. NITP starts at 13 here, finishes at 17. About 120 kids total in the programme.

Is this similar to SA?

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Anonymous  
Years ago

Is this similar in SA and VIC?

Anybody know if the structure or number of players is due to change in NSW?

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Anonymous  
Years ago

to anon ##463365 you have no idea, there are current VIC NITP and State team players not in VC, and no my kid is not one of them, I am just very respectful of the fact great talent can possibly exist outside the 200 boys and 200 girls in VC.

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Anonymous  
Years ago

If they are good then why aren't they playing VC? Why aren't VC clubs chasing them hard? Maybe they just aren't very good yet??? Oh no, I just said a child isn't very good at something and they need to learn/work hard to get better??!?!?!

Wow! Child abuse! Child abuse!

463374, you represent so much of what is wrong with our society at the moment.

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Anonymous  
Years ago

#463375 you once again demonstrate how clueless you are.

Poaching is not allowed by the VJBL

Ah, they made the State team so I think they're ok?

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Ashke  
Years ago

hahahahaha "poaching" is not allowed..... So it never happens then, right? What about "recruiting" then, seems like a much nicer word.

If you honestly believe that you have to be in VC to be in NITP, you are miles off the mark and simply a flog. VC doesn't mean a great deal really, still plenty of "below average" players in that section, along with plenty of "below average" coaches. Some damn good "recruiters" though, and that is simply all part of the process i guess...

I have seen some great coaching and players in Met 1 and Met 2 over the past couple of years, unfortunately those players only have 1 or 2 other good players around them, thus not making them competitive at VC level. But does that mean they are not good players? Same same with the coaching, some coaches can only coach the cattle they have. Yeah you can talk about developing players and so on, but lets be honest, no matter much you polish bronze it aint going to turn in to gold!

Back to the original post..... think you are a bit off the mark sorry.

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Anonymous  
Years ago

Poaching or recruiting or whatever you want to call it is all over the VJBL. Clubs like Waverley, Bulleen, Dandenong. and the KINGS of it all Diamond Valley, have been actively chasing kids for years. The VJBL knows this goes on but refuse to do anything about it. Partly because some of the coaches involved are in the ITC and state system. The lies told and tactics used by some coaches are disgraceful.

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Bear  
Years ago

Did the VJBL not invoke a rule a couple of years back that stops more than one or two from any age group leaving a club for the same club, or something like that?

I believe this was an attempt at stopping mass exodus from a club, potentially linked to the idea that kids were being poached.

^Anon, curiously what is it you would like to see that the VJBL can do, that is within their power to do so, to stop poaching?

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Anonymous  
Years ago

The VJBL does have a rule restricting only 2 players PER TEAM to transfer to another club but its easy to grab 4 and build up your twos into a stronger team which is what happens. The next season you put all four into the same team and bingo goal achieved.
There are many ways to stop this with the most obvious being that they apply the rules they have now and enforce them with bans on coaches or fines on clubs. I can name 4 coaches who openly talk to players and their parents during a season about moving clubs and that is against the rules and BV/ VJBL know who they are yet they do nothing about it.

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Bear  
Years ago

Here is the rule, in part, as it appears in the VJBL's Rules of Operation (circa 11/2013)...

4.7 Maximum number of Clearances per Team
Teams participating in VJL 3 (or higher) will be gr
anted permission to accept a maximum of two (2)
players into their team whom have cleared from another association after having played with another association in the previous Championship Season.

During Championship Phase:
This rule will apply to all teams (except U20's) across all age groups that are playing in VC, VJL1,VJL2 and VJL3. This rule does not apply to all VJL4 competitions and below.

Sorry to go slightly off topic, for the O.P., but it may clarify the perception that open poaching still goes on and is rife in the VJBL.

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Bear  
Years ago

Yes, ^anon, there will always be people out there with less morals than they should have, policing rules and creating them are two very different things.

We all hear things and know things, have you made any official report through your own Association's VJBL representative?

Perhaps if you had, you may feel differently, or if you have and nothing was done, then that isn't a good result for the VJBL I'd imagine...

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Anonymous  
Years ago

Here is an example of what you could do anonymous (original post).

I know of a boy who was not selected for the state academy under 14's a few years ago, he was mistaken for a top age kid because he was very tall for his age, but was shoved around a bit by the kids he was scrimmaging against (all top age and stronger than he), so coaches thought he wasn't up to the level they wanted (the level of the other top agers).

Although it was a rough decision and he was devastated as his brother made the academy but he didn't, his dad took him along to all Academy sessions and conducted one-on-one training with the boy on an adjacent court, every week.

That kid actually learned and developed faster than the Academy kids for the period, now he has been to Nationals, is a targeted athlete in the NITP and has a bright future if he chooses to pursue basketball.

What was the difference?

The attitude of the parent and the work ethic of the kid, ask yourself if you are a glass half empty or glass half full kind of guy?

Kids will generally respond to positive encouragement, don't drag your kid down with you if you are just being pessimistic.

The NITP and NPP process has changed several times, no it isn't perfect, but it is there for a purpose.

There are some good posts in this thread, which answer your question, just read tham again, with an open mind, cheers.

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Anonymous  
Years ago

Interesting debate. My experience shows that if you want to be noticed you need to be known. To either selecting coaches or BV. An example is 2 kids arrived to U15 scc ecc selection last season both an hour late into a 2 hour selection and both got picked

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Anonymous  
Years ago

Who made the under 15 nitp this year?

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Anonymous  
Years ago

For what state, Vic country have put out their list of athletes the week after selections were held so I'd imagine each state will do the same once they are selected

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Anonymous  
Years ago

463452..... Care to put your name to that ridiculous post regarding Diamond Valley !!!!

Bet not,

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Anonymous  
Years ago

BV nitp are is a joke only kids with coach's from their own club as selectors get through there are some who deserve their place but others are just kidding themselfs.

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Anonymous  
Years ago

Can we have that post again in English?

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Anonymous  
Years ago

There is no u15 NITP.

There is u16 NITP, there is u18 NITP.

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Anonymous  
Years ago

Can someone please explain, in what is now deemed a fairer system and a clean slate start for NITP Vic country . Why at tryouts the boys who turn up injured or have excuses for not attending tryouts get into NITP without having to tryout at a later date. Could they not go to the State Centre on a Sunday and join in a NPP season or Vic Metro NITP session to see if they are indeed good enough for NITP.

yes my son did attend, worked hard and felt he was top 10 in top age boys and was overlooked for 5 boys who either did not attend or sat in the stands injured.

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PlaymakerMo  
Years ago

^I like the honesty, and you make a fair point.

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Anonymous  
Years ago

So very ture with the injurys and I agree with the earlier post with regard to coaches form clubs favouring kids from that very same club. The system is a joke.

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Anonymous  
Years ago

If those injured that made the selection were in either state teams or NITP the previous year then coaches would know if they were suitable to be in again. Not sure if this is what happened here but would be an acceptable reason in my books.

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Anonymous  
Years ago

If what you say is accurate then diamond valley will have some strange selections in this years nitp because they had the highest amount of coaches selecting. the proof will be in the pudding.

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Anonymous  
Years ago

Do BV release the names of those who where selected?

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Anonymous  
Years ago

Understand that those injured or " unavailable " that have been in NITP the previous year being known. My son has been in SPP for 2 years, trained weekly , showed noted improvement, been selected for Albury over the last 2 years and was apparently on the right pathway to NITP.

He is a guard and needed to prove he has speed and agility , he did against those on the floor. Congratulated by 2 coaches ( unkown to him) and then misses. He was disappointed , but when he read the complete list he and I questioned how they could truly judge if his speed etc was poorer then those sitting on the side line.

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Anonymous  
Years ago

It's not selected on merit. The best players are not always selected your kid just has to keep going working hard. I know a boy who was never selected all the way through his junior years then at 17 once again missed the Victorian team however in that same year was selected to play for Australia. It's not what you know with BV it's who. Simple as that.

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Anonymous  
Years ago

All kids mature at different rates. Perhaps your son will get that look in next year, remember they have limited spots especially country Vic, and they will take what looks to have the most potential to improve in the future not always who's best on the day. And as a parent that can be hard to accept that perhaps others have more potential to go further . It's often those who do miss out though that end up going all the way through sheer hard work and determination. Tell him to just keep working at it.

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Anonymous  
Years ago

If what you say is accurate then diamond valley will have some strange selections in this years nitp because they had the highest amount of coaches selecting. the proof will be in the pudding.

Coaches selecting in the boys or the girls?

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Anonymous  
Years ago

Girls NITP selection camp for U15 it will be very interesting to see who made it. If there is a few from DV then maybe there is something too what others are claiming.

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Anonymous  
Years ago

Once again, there is no u15 NITP.

NITP is u16, u18 etc. just like the VC age groups.

The 2 player rule is not necessarily a good thing.

Sometimes players simply want to go somewhere they can be well coached, and have very little choice because of geography.

There are 5 players right now whose choice would be not to move clubs, but seem destined to another year of terrible coaching if they stay with their current club who treats girls basketball as a joke. What should they do?

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Anonymous  
Years ago

NITP last year in VIC was 16 spots, 10 top age, 6 bottom and then seemed to grow and shrink a bit based on injuries - so assuming the same system this year?

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Anonymous  
Years ago

The point if you have coaches from your club selecting like DV this year then more kids from said team get places it's not a meritorious selection process.

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Anonymous  
Years ago

Of course coaches are going to pick kids from there home club why wouldn't they!

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Anonymous  
Years ago

There are 5 players right now whose choice would be not to move clubs, but seem destined to another year of terrible coaching if they stay with their current club who treats girls basketball as a joke. What should they do?

That's a hard one if they want to stay together might have to go to the same club and play in different teams for one year.

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Anonymous  
Years ago

How many coaches did DV have there?

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Anonymous  
Years ago

I asked some that today DV only had two coaches there.

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Anonymous  
Years ago

That's two more then just about ever other team!

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Anonymous  
Years ago

No doubt it's not a fair system never has been.

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Anonymous  
Years ago

At last year's NITP it was more a case of some girls who made it but maybe shouldn't have, rather than anyone obvious missing out.

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Anonymous  
Years ago

Coaches are selected by Basketball Victoria, not Diamond Valley. If there is an issue with the amount of Diamond Valley coaches there, tell your coaches to go and offer up them selves for these camps.

The Head Coach of the program decides who gets in, not individual coaches, the fact that the State Coaches and staff are asked to be involved at these camps is a directive from Basketball Victoria.

Diamond Valley had 2 coaches involved with State Teams this year, assistant coaches at the U/16 level.

Head Coaches were both from Eltham.

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Anonymous  
Years ago

At the NITP selection camp this year two coaches where from Diamond Valley. All I said was that the proof would be in the pudding regarding the number of kids selected from that club in that age group. We don't know at this stage who has and who hasn't made it.

That post was in relation to an earlier comment that suggested the selection process is floored because coaches favor kids from their home club. I wasn't suggesting anything.

I'm interested in finding out how many kids were selected from Diamond Valley. I hope for everybody's sake that it all makes sense and there is no clear favoritism shown.

If kids that don't deserve to be selected have been it destroys the NITP program.

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Anonymous  
Years ago

Agree but no need to single out that club, Melbourne players , Bulleen players will no doubt make up a large number of selections accross the board particularly in the girls.

Singling out that club is unwarrented

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Anonymous  
Years ago

Did they run the top age and bottom age camps together? Or were the runs at different times? Heard they were at diffenrent times.
If so, did the same coaches go to both camps? Or were there different people involved?

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Anonymous  
Years ago

BVC had 80 boys on 5 courts , ranging from U16 bottom age to U18 top age

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Anonymous  
Years ago

Those that are complaining about selection, stop and think who is getting selected, the majority will be players playing in the top teams in vc, WHY because they are obviously the stronger players to be in their. Those individuals that are standouts but in weaker teams will also get to run with these stronger players and if they match up and show potential they too will be looked at. They are not ever going to put a pile of players playing met 2/3/4 into NITP ahead of those who are standouts in vc, no matter how much mum and dad think their child is the next superstar. It's the harsh face of reality.

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Anonymous  
Years ago

If you think that NITP selectors select the most talented kids you're kidding yourself. Favoritism exists at BV. Remember 200 kids play VC on a Friday.

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Anonymous  
Years ago

Seems to be bigger numbers thinking they are through to NITP this year than the 16 last year? Isn't there another selection camp yet?

Is there some confusion re selection for SCC & ECC v being selected for NITP. Lots of kids who make those didn't make NITP last year.

Also hearing u16 VIC players are entering the NPP program, which didn't have any u16s last year.

So the program may be different again this year???

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HO  
Years ago

"If you think that NITP selectors select the most talented kids you're kidding yourself. Favoritism exists at BV. Remember 200 kids play VC on a Friday."

The problem with a statement like this is that you are damned if you do and you are damned if you don't.

The Selectors get accused of playing favourites, because they might choose a kid they know, have experienced their work ethic, talent, capacity etc etc.

Its just to easy to label this "favouritism". Do people really think the selecting coaches sit there and say "I'll take these 8 kids on merit, and then these two others because they are my favourites."??

In their defence I don't think the percentage of "getting it completely wrong" is that high in a process that essentially is bound to have an 80% failure rate.

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Anonymous  
Years ago

200 kids in vc, think their actually more but anyway you cannot possibly take them all they dimply do not have that many spots, so people are always going to complain when they miss out.

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Anonymous  
Years ago

10 x 10 x 2 = 200

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Anonymous  
Years ago

I have heard of a few surprise selections and many that have gone through this year and not wanting to add fuel to the fire but those surprise selections are from Diamond Valley.

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Anonymous  
Years ago

The talls from Diamond Valley have made scc for the last few years that would be no surprise.

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Anonymous  
Years ago

"10 x 10 x 2 = 200"


That is one age group you have 16s and 18s plus VC reserve so in my calculations you have 800 kids that could be up for selection.

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Anonymous  
Years ago

NITP is a donation to BV

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Anonymous  
Years ago

That is rubbish, it was a really well run program last year, hopefully it keeps improving now it is back on track.

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Anonymous  
Years ago

The program may well be great but the tryouts for most parents is nothing more than a donation.

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Anonymous  
Years ago

It is inclusive as it should be. It is not compulsory.

Some people choose not to trial; others recognise it as part of basketball and coming to the selection camp is an opportunity for the kids to gain experience at being able to perform at trials.

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HO  
Years ago

What does it cost to try out?

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Anonymous  
Years ago

$100

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Anonymous  
Years ago

I have heard that there where some interesting selections this year but all innuendo at the moment it will be interesting to see the lists when they come out.

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HO  
Years ago

#486316

So I am assuming that in that pricing there is an element of keeping tyre kickers away?

Do, on the other hand, BV help out kids where there is a case of particular hardship, or do sometimes associations who send their kids along pay the fee for them?

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Anon  
Years ago

Seriously, the selection for NITP was interesting if not a little comical. At the U17 girls camp there were about 28 kids. Interestingly there seem to be a lot of current NITP kids missing, must have been unavailability or injured!

There were coaches from Knox, Sandringham (ex-Dandy) DV and not sure on the other coach maybe Nuna.

Some kids dominated the games but didn't get selected. Others look ordinary but did. Go figure!

The unsuccessful email was a cut-n-paste job that was very confusing and could account for some kids thinking they were in but weren't.

Overall, I'd expect that those people in the program stayed in the program as it seems to be a bit like the Aussie Cricket team in the 80-90s - harder to get out of than into.

No wonder a lot of kids have given up trying to get in. You really don't have much of a chance. BV could learn a lot from other sports who do the identification, monitoring & filtering extremely well.

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Anon  
Years ago

Is basketball talent identification similar to AFL? If so I know that to select a talented athlete you have to tick many many boxes with football not just how they perform in a game and more and more psychological profiling of parents happens at football matches and checking kids Facebook etc occurs regularly to see who has all round potential to perform at elite levels. I'm not sure if basketball is the same?
I have taken my kid to all BV camps that he has been invited to and have always found them to be a fantastic experience and we'll worth the cost and diversity of coaching and would recommend them to anyone who asked me.
By the way he was never chosen for nitp or a state team but that doesn't define his talent or athleticism as he continues on his journey through sport, he just enjoys the ride and it's better to have tried and not succeeded than to never try at all.
If your kid is exceptional and an outstanding player they will be noticed by many on a Friday night so just encourage them to continue on their own journey,

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Anonymous  
Years ago

^anon above! spot on, parents should be paying for their kids to improve their game not just for selection! that's an added bonus! go in with that attitude and I guarantee both kids and parents will get a hell of a lot more out of it.

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Anonymous  
Years ago

#486335

You make a great point with regard to NITP not being the be all and end all. My child has always been a dominant player on a Friday nights VC top age and Met 1 bottom age. Made state selection one year but has unfortunately missed a few since.

My issue is the amount work done since missing last year has been unbelievable the dedication shown has taught me what dedication and hard work truly is. I have been concerned that it's unsustainable.

To my eye and I’m aware of the difficulty that a parent has in being objective is that how my child was clearly in the top 10 in the age group both last year and this year but missed out on both occasions.

After a year in which I had to sit back and admire the hard work we find out that they have missed it again, I find it hard to believe that they were are not in the top 12-15 at NITP tryouts.

This time however the resolve has been broken and a decision to walk away devastated has been made. Others will make it because they had coaches from their association with them it’s simple as that.

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Anonymous  
Years ago

Pfft. Sounds like the problem isn't with the selection coaches, but with you! If he was so CLEARLY in the top 10 he would have made it - he didn't, so I'd suggest the problem is your ability to spot talent, not the selectors!

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Anonymous  
Years ago

Athletes suffer setbacks. Anyone that suceeds suffers setbacks, the only time you don't make it is when you quit. He quit, couldn't overcome the setbacks therefore it was the right decision by the coaches.

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HO  
Years ago

There is an important discussion here, and that is the distinction between a kid who can play now, and dominate, and the criteria the selectors have.

My understand is that the selectors are asked to choose against criteria that see the athlete as a future Australian representative.

I remember a debate on here about the kid that went from Werribee (and Vic U20 team) to Geelong AFL and people saying that while he could play now, some had doubts he could be an Australian player in the future.

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Anonymous  
Years ago

#486369

Yeah like you would know! Probably one of the ones who's kids going for a ride.

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Anonymous  
Years ago

#486368
re: NITP selection camp for U16

Resilience is one of the most important values kids need to develop at this stage. Hopefully some encouragement in the right direction will help and see your boy not walk away.

If they don't love the game, they won't make it - NITP - or not.

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Anonymous  
Years ago

Exactly right, if they cannot handle the setbacks and you help them to handle them , which are all part of life and happen everywhere not just in sport then as a parent your setting them up to fail. Encourage your kids to keep trying if that's what they really want, if they don't then it wasn't for them to begin with. Firsts rule of anything is "you must love it unconditionally".

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Anon  
Years ago

"My understand is that the selectors are asked to choose against criteria that see the athlete as a future Australian representative. "

Are you serious? Most of the kids have been selected at U12s or bottom age 14s. Well before they have developed and matured as players.

If you truly believe this is the criteria then I have a bridge I'd like to sell you.

That's the rhetoric they sell people but you only have to look at some of the kids to see that they'll never represent Australia.

There are too many occasions where strange selections have occurred to say that this is the only criteria. There are too many good kids who miss out to say that's correct.

They should really have a look at how netball do it given the success they've had and the depth of talent they develop. Far better model than AFL. They test for everything at every camp and they are true Talent ID camps not learning experiences disguised as Talent ID.

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Anonymous  
Years ago

They are not selected at un12s and 14s if that was the case what hits the Aus camps would look very different to what it does. Maybe the odd few like the really tall ones who regardless of talent are given the chance in the hopes they can grow their skills and ability, but by the time they top age un16s they have usually sorted the wheat from the chaff. The problem is those that keep getting selected are usually the ones with the most potential but parents of those who keep missing out just can't accept it.

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Anonymous  
Years ago

#486395
re: NITP selection camp for U16

Netball?????
LMFAO

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Anonymous  
Years ago

#486397

This is absolute rubbish. The best kids not always selected! I was chatting on Sunday to the father of a young man who is currently representing this country in basketball who never made an NITP or a state team he told me that he believes it's not what you know it’s who. His son actually made the Aus team before the state team..

It’s so easy to come out with the old "the parents of the kids that do make it are always the one that aren't happy". Thanks genius but perhaps the parents of the kids that made it try to protect their spot at all costs so they can sit back and feel special.

The fact is the vast majority who make it deserve but others are just kidding themselves and so are the parents.

That’s why kids like the above mentioned go unnoticed and there’s plenty of other examples such as a young girl who is playing div one college winning MVP’s as she goes who never made an NITP program or state team and those that did are now nowhere to be seen.

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Anonymous  
Years ago

#486397
Kids aren't wheat or chaff

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Anonymous  
Years ago

#486410........ Sure there is the odd one that this happens too, but the majority of the ones selected should be there, no one gets it 100% right all the time! and quite possibly those two examples you have just given didn't hit their marks till past selection age. I too know of a player overlooked for a few years put into lower teams at rep level (due to coaches choices)but they still made NITP and state teams , they are now representing their country, so it's the same no matter what . If they have what it takes they will make it in the end NITP is not the only way through to accomplish your dreams if as a player that's what you want to do.

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anonymous  
Years ago

Well to all the nay sayers and haters out there continuing this debate where no one has actually said gee congrats to those kids who have tried really hard and earned their selection and some coming through great adversity both personally and physically-Well Done kids because this is what its about for you. Remember in life people are always going to knock you down if you are good at something and people are always going to feel they have the right to pick you to pieces and being able to say wow i achieved this is unfortunately just seen as "showing off"
If any athlete is reading this forum of mostly envious parents feeling they need to vent in a way that is not positive for anyone including accusations of favouritism and a floored system,please dont believe a word they say.
YOU alone achieved your NITP nomination YOU alone have worked extremely hard and you deserve every opportunity that comes you`re way.

Go out and celebrate and be proud!!

My child didnt make selection but she is extremely happy for friend that did!

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Anonymous  
Years ago

#486397

This is absolute rubbish. The best kids not always selected! I was chatting on Sunday to the father of a young man who is currently representing this country in basketball who never made an NITP or a state team he told me that he believes it's not what you know it’s who. His son actually made the Aus team before the state team..

It’s so easy to come out with the old "the parents of the kids that dont make it are always the one that aren't happy". Thanks genius but perhaps the parents of the kids that made it try to protect their spot at all costs so they can sit back and feel special.

The fact is the vast majority who make it deserve but others are just kidding themselves and so are the parents.

That’s why kids like the above mentioned go unnoticed and there’s plenty of other examples such as a young girl who is playing div one college winning MVP’s as she goes who never made an NITP program or state team and those that did are now nowhere to be seen.

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Anonymous  
Years ago

No wonder this kid quit the sport when confronted with adversity - with such a sook for a parent what chance did he have?

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Anonymous  
Years ago

Is the selection committee separate from the coaching staff?

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Anonymous  
Years ago

No wonder this kid quit the sport when confronted with adversity - with such a sook for a parent what chance did he have?

Wow look out! they have pulled out the big words now "SOOK" did you use a dictionary? here is a clue for you sounds like you need one. Take the first three letters of the big word D I C T I O N A R Y and your personality is explained.

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Anonymous  
Years ago

Is the selection committee separate from the coaching staff?

No it's not.

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Anonymous  
Years ago

There are so many kids that could make it and don't and no doubt those did have worked hard to get there. However their is no need to take a pot shot at someone who's child is hurting a good parent will feel and live their child's pain.

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Anonymous  
Years ago

A quote from an parent who also had a son miss out

" so the talls get picked because they are 6'9 and the guards get picked cause they have speed and agility, so what happens to the 6'3 90 kilo small power forwards ? NOTHING."

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Anonymous  
Years ago

I love people on here that bag those who are working hard to make it and are clearly disappointed. Here is few truths:

-There is favoritism.

-The processed is floored.

-There is corruption.

This is a human condition it exists in every government,every work place, every school, every sporting club. it's the of the animal if you don't think so then wake up!

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Anonymous  
Years ago

Is the selection committee separate from the coaching staff?

No it's not.

Beg to differ on this one. Coaches make recommendations but as far as BV Metro goes, GW has final say.

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Anonymous  
Years ago

I have a feeling that some of the frustration actually emanates from parent's inability to influence the outcome.

Many parents ingratiate themselves into team management, committees and even coaching to influence selection at the rep club level. It sure as hell happens outrageously at ours. Amazingly though these same kids are almost universally unable to go any further as there is no merit or substance that comes from nepotism.

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Anonymous  
Years ago

That's a great post and very ture.

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Anonymous  
Years ago

What is the chance of making a State team if you did not make NITP as a top age player ?

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Anonymous  
Years ago

The coaches want to win so will pick what they believe is the best team available at selection time, NITP or no NITP.

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Anonymous  
Years ago

Thanks, just a myth then , talking about Vic Country U18 men. 4 in NPP and 7 in NITP wondering if it is worth turning up for tryouts

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Anonymous  
Years ago

#486454 great post and very true

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Anonymous  
Years ago

haha the parent has been called out and has resorted to name calling. I think the above has nailed it on the head - he is unhappy that he has been unable to influence selections - and his inadequate ability to recognise talent has left him bitter. Basketball is better of without parents like this!!

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Bear  
Years ago

I hope I can help some of you understand through my own experiences. Firstly I do have kids that have made NPP/NITP and yes they are in that tall category mentioned, however they have always displayed a strong work ethic and a high skill set among their peers so yes again they tend to stand out.

They have also have their disappointments over the years, not being selected at under 14 academy or not making a state team as a bottom age player or not making a national team for various reasons.

No matter the outcome, there is one thing that stands out in my mind and that is the character of the kid (and parents for mind). Your journey, like mine, will have its ups and downs, your true character will come out along the way.

For us it has always been to ask politely what needs to improve, then go back and work harder. It has always been to adopt a positive attitude and not take anything for granted.

Injuries, illness, maturity, school work, growth spurts, distractions, peer groups, effort, desire, attitude and potential must all be considered by coaches, selectors and families as they support the athlete who is trying out for an elite level of competition, no matter the sport!

Take it from someone who has been there in every aspect of these programs (other than in the coaching/selection phase), they are looking for those who have the potential to sustain elite levels of training, elite levels of skill and elite levels of character.

Kids up to under 18 age group can still be late bloomers, so it isn't over for any kid with potential and the character to stay with it. Many examples exist today of kids who only came into their own at or over the age of 18. So don't give up on them and stay positive, NITP isn't for everyone and it isn't 'Making It', it is just another step for some that has come at the right time for them...

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Anonymous  
Years ago

Agree fully with your sentiments here Bear, sometimes the parents take it harder than the kids do

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Anonymous  
Years ago

Well said Bear thanks for your advice

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Anonymous  
Years ago

NITP in WA was a joke (I don't know what its like now). I would like to know the percentage of players in NITP squads from 5 years ago that are actually still playing basketball at anything but social level. I suspect it is very low. As with state team selection, nepotism is rife. I can understand team coaches choosing earlier maturers in order to win games, but NITP should focus on players with potential. It doesn't.

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Anonymous  
Years ago

But it doesn't stop those who don't get selected going back to their Associations and getting some guidance in where they need to improve, then putting in the extra needed to succeed regardless!

If they are going to grow and develop into decent or elite players down the track, making NITP or not is not the be all and end all.

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HO  
Years ago

"nepotism is rife"

that can only really be Tasmania.

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Anonymous  
Years ago

Nepotism: The practice among those with power or influence of favouring relatives or friends, especially by giving them jobs.

This was talking about one out of control VIC association, and pointing out it was not a part of NITP selection.

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Anonymous  
Years ago

Your chances are greatly increased if your club coaches are there I had one tell me that.

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Anonymous  
Years ago

Coaches who assist at these camps are usually always from some club or assoc, they aren't just plucked from thin air. Without them the selectors and national or COE coaches attending can't do their job properly, so although people may have a perception that favourites are picked over more talented kids, this is not the norm.

Yes, there have been mistakes in the past and I dare say there will be again, no one is perfect, they fill the spots best they can with what they see and know.

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Anonymous  
Years ago

Who do coaches show "favouritism" to anyway? Usually good kids who work hard and have the right attitude. I know for a fact that during my time spent in my state's NITP program as a coach there was a couple of athletes who weren't always so pleased so see me at a trial as they knew their poor attitude and work ethic was well known and they wouldn't get any favours.

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bloody oath  
Years ago

Right there a valid point as a coach often there are players whose potential is greater than their coachability our their desire to achieve the right outcome for the team not themselves. I age there's some favouritism, coaches will go with what they know they can rely on, what they can with with regularly etc.
Sometimes players get overlooked because they don't necessarily have all the qualities required. Athletic great, no basketball brain or team focus not so great

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Anonymous  
Years ago

Players are overlooked mostly because they are not good enough in one (or more) aspects of the desired criteria - not for the great conspiracies like the parent (an A-grade muppet) on here believes!

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HO  
Years ago

And the point should be made again, to all those who keep bleating about mistakes, this is a program that by definition will have a very small success rate.

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Anonymous  
Years ago

How do you measure success HO?

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Bear  
Years ago

A small attendance rate perhaps, otherwise too much left opn to speculation...

Sucess rates are far more difficult to quantify or evaluate as you could say how many actually graduate, or how many actually complete all training requirements, or how many go on to make a green and gold squad/team?

Throw in as many variables as you like, very hard to judge the success of a program that is set up to identify and develop potential foremost IMHO...

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Anonymous  
Years ago

The program is just fine they get it right every time when selecting. How could anybody doubt the process come on people!
No parent, kid or coach has ever been given or shown any favoritism. In fact the coaches that are selected are put through a rigorous process to ensure they are of the utmost professionalism. They don't care if you are related, come from their club or are there very own child or god child or the child of a close personal friend. They are certainly not bothered if you are the child of a sworn enemy or somebody they just don't like none of this sort of thing ever ever happens! it's not and never will be a conspiracy just Muppet parents you see crazy stage parents yep that's it.

It's such a wonderful world full of sunshine and lollies pops.

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Anonymous  
Years ago

And other substances by the looks of it^

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Anonymous  
Years ago

Seems the parent has failed to influence the posters on here, much like the selectors at trails. Wonder if he went on a dummy spitting rant there too like he has here?

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HO  
Years ago

#486718

I think this program can only be measured by those who go onto play at either national league or international level.

If there are 100 boys and 100 girls around the nation each year in NITP, then only a fraction of those can ever go on to that.

NITP (as I understand it) is not about developing great people, its not about developing good life skills (although both those things are probably important in selection), its sole focus is on turning out kids for national leagues and programs. NPP as I understand it is restricted only to kids that BA consider genuinely can go on and represent Australia so its focus is even narrower.

Having said that I have no idea how many NITP and NPP kids there are every year, but I saw an NPP list for Victoria recently that had 20 or some names on it, so you must think that NPP nationally is 50-70 kids and NITP 3-4 times that. Most of those will not make the respective grade hence failure rates must be high.

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Anonymous  
Years ago

RE: Reply #486733
re: NITP selection camp for U16

Oh I so wish we did not have to stay Anon,( we all are for obvious reasons) as you and I would get along fine, with what I have been fed over the past 3 weeks is just a joke. Funny how different coaches see very different things.. and how our own children's coaches from both Domestic and VJBL are never asked.

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Anonymous  
Years ago

Domestic???? Bahahaha

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Anonymous  
Years ago

yes Domestic, most country kids play Div 1 or CBL with highly qualified coaches week in and week out.....

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Anonymous  
Years ago

Yep Jamie O'loughlan, Jason Reardon , Nathan Herbert, Glenn sharp, Bruce Waldron and the list goes on, all coach Domestic Div 1 in Geelong

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Anonymous  
Years ago

Quick, get them all involved in NITP selection!

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Anonymous  
Years ago

NITP is a rubbish i heard some of the names today lol man it's funny!

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Anonymous  
Years ago

I don't believe good player not make NITP it bad player making it very bad.

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Bear  
Years ago

@HO, the Vic based program last season spent money and time holding classes for all athletes on topics considered useful for life skill development.

First time I have experienced it and parents also had some classes, so maybe things are changing for the better in how the athletes are rounded out...

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Anonymous  
Years ago

lol sunshine and lollie pops! so ture

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anonymous  
Years ago


Having said that I have no idea how many NITP and NPP kids there are every year, but I saw an NPP list for Victoria recently that had 20 or some names on it, so you must think that NPP nationally is 50-70 kids and NITP 3-4 times that. Most of those will not make the respective grade hence failure rates must be high


Considering npp will be made up of potential un17 and un19 national squad athletrs boys abd girls 20 from vic sounds about right

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Anonymous  
Years ago

Depending on your club the SPP is fantastic anyway and no travel involved. We had a great time at SPP last year our coach is an NPP coach.

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Anonymous  
Years ago

Seems the parent has failed to influence the posters on here, much like the selectors at trails. Wonder if he went on a dummy spitting rant there too like he has here?

^
Is that you GW taking it a bit personally. lol ^ this guy

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Anonymous  
Years ago

So true he has taken it personally lol poor bloke.

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Sal  
Years ago

Leave the man alone if he wants to champion BV and the NITP then good on him!

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Big Mac  
Years ago

I think the man may need a Valium or two

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Anonymous  
Years ago

Clearly been product of the favouritism everybody's talking about

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Laz  
Years ago

I think the bloke may have a few issues in denial

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Anon  
Years ago

Agree with #486776. Our Club's SPP was fantastic and all kids really developed. I can't get over the bleating around this. There are so many reasons kids get selected or overlooked and sometimes it is just being injured during selections or absent for other reasons.

This is one of the areas that I think could be looked at as if there are clear omissions there should be an ability to invite players as the sessions go. That way at least those kids that should be there, get there. I suspect it doesn't happen because of funding and that there would be an outcry that they didn't go through the selection process (ie for injuries or absence) but as someone said earlier, those who do have injuries through the selection process should have to "try out" when they are fit rather than be automatically included.

The process is never going to be perfect as it is based on subjectivity, coaches opinion. for those players they see more often and are more familiar with probably have an advantage as they know what they can do or see their potential. This does not mean they are biased, just more familiar. It is more difficult for those talented players from smaller clubs only because they may be less familiar but having seeN last seasons NITP group I think many of them were identified.

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Anonymous  
Years ago

Kids who are injured or unavailable can and do go through.

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Anonymous  
Years ago

@Anon^ while some of what you say bares reasonable common sense the facts are that sometimes a player is known to all coaches and selectors as suitable to the program, but may be unable to attend or is injured yet still selected.

This sometimes get people upset, especially when their kid busts a gut and doesn't get selected. It is a tough one to explain, but if a kid is really that good he/she should be in the program anyway.

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Anon  
Years ago

My point re injured players is they should not just "go through" but effectively have a tryout when they are fit. They should of course be included if they are talented. There was a player last round who was injured. Under 16, over 6ft and very good player with potential. Was injured during tryouts and was not selected or added later. Should have been but thankfully has now been included.

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Anonymous  
Years ago

Anon you make a good point. Some kids that are good enough don't make it for many reasons. Some that shouldn't do for other reasons. Over their journey however it will even out. If your kid is truly a more talented individual no amount of NITP is going to change that. Once they have reached youth league nobody remembers who made NITP. Time tells us that most who did don't even make that. Be patient if they love the game then remember it's a marathon not a sprint.

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Sal  
Years ago

Reply #486832

Best post so far and very true

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Anonymous  
Years ago

Whilst I agree with the sentiment, I'm not too sure of the facts about
"Once they have reached youth league nobody remembers who made NITP. Time tells us that most who did don't even make that."
I'd like to know some statistics to judge that more fully, and my thinking (from my own experience in NSW at least) would be that the majority of NITP athletes would go on to at least play YL level.

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Anonymous  
Years ago

Probably more to the point once they come out of juniors no one cares who made NITP. It's always going to be selective, and never going to satisfy everyone, but at the end of the day as others have also said, if the athlete is good enough, determined and disciplined and have support in their efforts they will make it. Maybe not to national selection, maybe not to NBL or wnbl, because again their are so few spots for so many players, but if they love the game they will find their spot.

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Bear  
Years ago

Agree, we could look at the limited opportunities at the top levels of basketball in this country as a reason why limitations are placed on the whole elite pathway. It is costly to sustain at the best of times, we can only manage what we can afford to manage and sustain the numbers we can afford to sustain in this country.

Especially as the pyramid is so tight the higher we go, this is very true, sad but true...

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Anonymous  
Years ago

Why can't Australia have a college system like the states do, we have enough universities , we attract enough international students, so why has this pathway not been looked at, or is it because we have the SEABL and bigv, and all the other states equivelants as competition.

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Anonymous  
Years ago

I dont think you realize just how many colleges and universities there are in the US.

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Sal  
Years ago

I know Vic has some sporting School academies that are by all reports very, very good. Maribyrnong College I believe is placing kids in the us college system all the time. The kids that are there already have a path way no need for any other.

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Laz  
Years ago

Is that high school?

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Anonymous  
Years ago

Well aware of how many us colleges their are, but that should have nothing to do with Australia's lack or ability to run a similar thing here. Maribynong sports school is high school not university. The other ones are box hill which seems to be ok sports wise but not academically, Rowville, which frankly is a total waste of time both basketball wise and academically. Those kids should be stars with all the basketball they do, yet you don't get any real standout players . Sydney have Westfield sports academy and turn out so e ok players but that's about it as far as dedicated sports schools really.

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Anonymous  
Years ago

Maribyrnong is the one the Victorian government have spent a lot of money on. They have been placing kids in the us college system.

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Anonymous  
Years ago

Box Hill is the stand out basketball and academic program by some margin.

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Sal  
Years ago

Maribynong girls program strongest in the country year 7 and 8 finished 1-2 at nationals last year. But it's great for the State and for basketball for a rivalry to build up.

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Bear  
Years ago

The majority of the money in sports programs at Australian High Schools or Universities appears to be in swimming, rowing, athletics, cricket, football, tennis, rugby and gymnastics.

Basketball either has nothing left over or is treated as a non-core sport, and I didn't even mention soccer, hockey, volleyball, netball and others competing for the small amount of dollars available.

In the USA basketball is in their top 4 sports, their TV coverage is massive, money making through sponsors and media is huge and they have 100 times as many institutions, maybe that's partly why...?

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Bear  
Years ago

Having said that, our junior basketball competitions, such as VJBL and the equal in other states (school run comps or not), is very good and compares with over seas competitions from what I have heard.

The media coverage, money and sponsorship is of course no where near what they get in the USA system!

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Sal  
Years ago

That's true Bear such a shame the WNBL is a great product. Yet struggles with crowds and TV audience. The NBL is a little way off for some reason. Hopefully they can get it righter some time.

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Big Mac  
Years ago

Those sports schools sound interesting how do they work.

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Anonymous  
Years ago

They are secondary schools that offer a sports stream as part of their curriculum.

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Big Mac  
Years ago

I heard today that 5 thats right 5 diamond valley girls made nitp under 16. Including one that didn't even tryout. I don't normally buy into the unfair bullshit that has been posted on here. However if that is in deed true then the whole process is floored. More coach's from DV then other clubs and they have the highest representation in this years nitp. That speaks for it self.

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Sal  
Years ago

Don't worry about that stuff those kids will get found out.

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Anonymous  
Years ago

Big Mac..same same at BVC under 18 Boys. Boy did not know he was nominated, did not go to try outs and wow he made it. How surprised was he when told by his peers...

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Anonymous  
Years ago

This threads getting bigger than Ben hur !!!!

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Colours  
Years ago

Well at least finally someone's heard something! This thread has been puffing along on pure hot air for a while now.

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Big Mac  
Years ago

I find it a little strange the one who didn't tryout has never gotten through anything before.

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Anonymous  
Years ago

There is u15 nitp see part of invite below. I still haven't heard back and BV go into hiding when teams are picked.

Dear Players and Parents,

Thank you for registering for the Basketball Victoria 2014 Under 15 NITP Selection Camp

Camp details are as follows:
Tuesday 1 & Wednesday 2 July 2014

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Anonymous  
Years ago

Camps are broken into single years, NITP is not.

Everyone should have been advised successful or otherwise last weekend.

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Tiger  
Years ago

I have been through this with my kids who no longer play if your child didn't make don't be the least bit concerned. the cream always rises to the top. I seen it time and time again. They can try all they like but you just cannot polish a turd.

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Anonymous  
Years ago

As your post confirms.

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Anonymous  
Years ago

Been almost 24hrs since we heard how there are too many DV girls selected, thought we had better have another discussion about it!

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Laz  
Years ago

Bloody DV girls.

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state watcher  
Years ago

There is one way of promoting accountability for selections.
Publish the list of players and clubs selected in NITP and NPP, and the list of selectors and clubs.
BV does this with state squad selections, so why not with talent id squads.
I'd be very surprised if Diamond Valley got five girls in the Under 16 girls as the team is eighth on the ladder. Maybe Under 18 girls?

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Anonymous  
Years ago

I'm not sure why they don't publish the squads, maybe not until all of them are locked down and acceptances are in?

Remember though, not as clear cut as you suggest.

The selection is for next year's squads so the u16 group is from bottom age 16s and top age 14s from this current season.

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Sal  
Years ago

Really shouldn't matter were they are 3 from one club would be allot 4 to many and 5 if true is ridiculous.

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Anonymous  
Years ago

Been almost 24hrs since we heard how there are too many DV girls selected, thought we had better have another discussion about it!


^you had to do it didn't you. lol

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Scooby  
Years ago

And I would have gotten away with it, it wasn't for you pesky kids.

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Anonymous  
Years ago

I heard a rumour another club who is not Diamond Valley has 4 as well, and another at least 3, and they both had nobody involved in the selection process from their associations.

Maybe these damned selectors are just picking the most talented kids available for the program regardless of what club they play at???

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Anonymous  
Years ago

Funny about that isn't it,^.....

This parent who is complaining about NITP selections really needs to put it to bed, get over it for gods sake

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Anon  
Years ago

Are you serious, they just picked the best kids??? Can you get me some of the stuff that you are on because you must be high!!!

It's all about influence and impact. Having watch one of the selection camps, two of the best 5 at the camp didn't get selected. Funny how a number of injured kids retained there spots - even a player whose has been out injured for over a year was selected!

Would be nice,if they actually kept and tracked it, to see the data on player improvement from attending NPP & NITP, not sure there would be much directly attributable to either program.

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Anonymous  
Years ago

Big Mac......


Goat !!!!!!!


No concept, no idea, no nuts. Go ask GW why teams are selected the way they are.

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Anonymous  
Years ago

Going to be some scarily super teams in VC next year. With that sort of talent coming out a couple of clubs.

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Anonymous  
Years ago

Reply #487407
re: NITP selection camp for U16
Are you serious, they just picked the best kids??? Can you get me some of the stuff that you are on because you must be high!!!

It's all about influence and impact. Having watch one of the selection camps, two of the best 5 at the camp didn't get selected. Funny how a number of injured kids retained there spots - even a player whose has been out injured for over a year was selected!

Would be nice,if they actually kept and tracked it, to see the data on player improvement from attending NPP & NITP, not sure there would be much directly attributable to either program.


Well obviously if you were there you were either a coach or parent! And your opinion didn't match the selectors so I'd say a parent. Go home get your kid to work on their game and get over it for goodness sake.
You have harped on for over a hundred posts it's not going to change their minds!!!

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Anonymous  
Years ago

Maybe these damned selectors are just picking the most talented kids available for the program regardless of what club they play at???

^When you see this sort of passionate response make you wonder if the guy or gal works for BV was one of the coaches or has a kid that is on the train.

Maybe it's all a joke!

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Anonymous  
Years ago

I'll have a Big Mac and Cheese burger with extra NITP.

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Big Mac  
Years ago

Ha Ha Ha... how can you have extra NITP DV got the last of it.

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Big Mac  
Years ago

I can help you with some GOAT apparently.

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Yellow  
Years ago

There is more posts on here then DV kids in the NITP

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Anonymous  
Years ago

Sad to say, but maybe the kid wasn't selected due to his lunatic parents? Good decision too, judging by the sookfest on here.

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Anonymous  
Years ago

Which post is from a parent. allot of people taking the piss i think.

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Anonymous  
Years ago

I was a parent who asked a genuine question about those getting in with Injury and no-shows making it.

BVC do put their lists up, wish they did not as you start to question some of the decisions.

BVC started NITP with a verbal statement " this year it is a clean slate and you are on an even keel " before taking the same boys.

The thread has offered many incites and gone a little off track, but I have enjoyed the banter.

I do wish every player success , what ever that means for each. For us it is to walk away form BVC and look locally at pathways. We are encouraged by feed back and my son will always play because " I just wan't to play Ball, Mum "

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Laz  
Years ago

Good on you. I wish you and your boy all the best.

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Vic parent  
Years ago

487039 box hill is run by the Nuna 12.1 girls coach who refuses not to play zone and develop his girls in a no zone comp. he is a joke so I suspect box hill would not be development focused

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Vic parent  
Years ago

487039 box hill is run by the Nuna 12.1 girls coach who refuses not to play zone and develop his girls in a no zone comp. he is a joke so I suspect box hill would not be development focused

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Anonymous  
Years ago

Unfortunately bu walking away from BVC you are limiting your child's pathways even further. If you have a country address you cannot get through into the metro side of basketball. My advise being a former country parent is to just keep at it, play local play rep do all the country tournaments that you club goes to, and ask can your son can train with the NITP group as an invite. Talk to justin schueller explain how much he just wants to play and do the extra work. You catch a lot more flies with honey than salt. Instead of being angry ask what does he need to work on to get selection next time. My kid missed out one year, this is what we did, though long before Justin was there, they trained hard every week, but didn't get to the weekend camps, until the end of the year and they got an invite. Next year they were selected and have since gone on to represent Australia. Don't walk away, look for the window of opportunity to open believe me it will if they have the desire and ability.

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Anonymous  
Years ago

Vic parent, you are misguided/misinformed/ignorant re Box Hill.

It is the best basketball school with by far the best coaches.

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Laz  
Years ago

Maribynong is best School program for girls ATM.

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Anonymous  
Years ago

Ha ha ha

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Anon  
Years ago

Poor old NITP is getting a bad wrap.
My son has been playing ball for 3.5 years and has found his passion.
The odds are against him as he does not come from parents who don't
know much about ball and at 5'6 as an U16, he's not an obvious pick. After
Participating in SPP last year he has been selected in NITP this year due
To nothing but his hard work, he trains himself for hours everyday,
Rain, hail or shine and ask him about any NBA stat, he lives and breaths
It. Like any other sportat an elite level, the athlete has to be driven and focused.
No amount of Complaining or pushing from parents can make this happen. I say
To these parents, get a life and let your kids get on with theirs, maybe
They just don't want it bad enough !

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Anonymous  
Years ago

Good riddance, parents like you are better off in other sports.

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Anonymous  
Years ago

@Anon #457 did you ask for clarification as to why your kid didn't get selected and what the kid can do to improve? Did the coaches offer you any feedback or where you only after an answer about other selections ahead of your kid?

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John  
Years ago

My kids was told by the coach at the end of the two days "you really don't have much to work on" we missed this year just have to get back on the bike.

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Open Top  
Years ago

In summary, there are some possible doggy processes & decisions within the NITP framework that:
1. some people love - maybe cause they benefit or are involved?
2. parents don't like because their kids are told one thing and the opposite occurs
3. knowing people or that you coach is at the camp can help your selection
4. good to be injured around tryout time, if you are already in, cause your certain to make the next year
5. people are not bothering with the process anymore cause of the above
5. everyone has a humorous view on the NITP and things that happen around it.
6. parents wanting things for their kids are always bagged
7. a lot of dipsticks love the NITP process and its apparent focus on the best kids in the state!

How's that for a summary of this very long thread?

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Anonymous  
Years ago

"Doggy processes" haha

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Anonymous  
Years ago

Reply #487683
re: NITP selection camp for U16

Well said, lets hope it now dies a natural death....until State Teams are announced lol.

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Anonymous  
Years ago

Wait until the NPP lists are released.

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John  
Years ago

Reply #487683

Awesome summary

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Mike  
Years ago

This whole process is BS most girls earn their spot others should not get a look in favourites.

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Anonymous  
Years ago

I thought the summary was pretty doggy, but can someone please clarify this whole DV situation?

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Anonymous  
Years ago

Miss out on NITP do not worry head over to Melbourne United.


Basketball Victoria partners with Melbourne United

Category: Frontpage News, General


Basketball Victoria is pleased to announce that the State's newest National Basketball League team, Melbourne United, has signed a three-year deal to become a major partner of Basketball Victoria.

This new partnership will see many great benefits flow down to the Victorian basketball community, including an exciting injection of funds to the amount of three quarters of a million dollars over three years. Much of these funds will go directly into the development of both playing and coaching talent in Victoria, with both parties committing to as many as 500 coaching development courses over that time as a starting point.

The agreement will also see Melbourne United become a key participant in elite player training and high performance programs moving forward, while providing a genuine avenue for a closer link between elite and grassroots level basketball associations and clubs. A major feature of the team’s objectives is to put a predominantly Victorian list on the floor, which it is hoped will help provide some clarity for junior players on how the pathway to the NBL is paved.

As Victoria’s sole representative at the NBL level, Melbourne United’s mission has been to 'bring together the entire Victorian basketball community, behind one team, with one voice, sharing in the successes of the past, and the excitement of the future’.

This partnership will see this mission go a step further, with Melbourne United committing to playing a key role and being a major contributor to the development of the sport in Victoria and an active participant in the development and nurturing of the sport at the grassroots level through to the professional ranks.

In turn, Melbourne United will utilise the partnership to consolidate a long-term relationship with Basketball Victoria, as well as increase awareness of their brand across all Basketball Victoria affiliated associations.

We will have further details and updates in the coming days and weeks relating to the specifics of how the Victorian basketball community will benefit from this new partnership.

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Anon  
Years ago

Just wait and see what the quality of coaching will be from Melbourne United. Don't expect it to be elite if the people I think are running the community sessions are the ones I think they are.

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Mike  
Years ago

Oh no not the DV thing again! 5 girls 1/4 on the program one didn't even tryout! And more DV had coaches then any other team just a complete load of BV BS! Lol allegedly

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Anonymous  
Years ago

Have a look at the track record of those running Melbourne United, will reveal everything you need to know.

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Anon  
Years ago

NITP is a waste of time. the AIS and college profile players by position. If you have the right size and athletic ability you get looked at because they back themselves to teach you the skills. Do not kid yourselves that NITP is providing elite coaching, training at BV mainly consists of learning the shuffle offence. The AIS is getting more and more frustrated with BV and their lack of ability to identify future Boomers. I was talking to AIS coach at a Youth League game and he was annoyed that a number of players on show had not been identified by BV. One kid from Frankston and the other from Waverley were in deep discussion with the AIS coach after the game. The biggest problem is poaching by BV coaches. Melbourne and DV in particular. Coaches are just reluctant to send their players as they get picked off. Noticed that Frankston best U18 kid is now playing for Mebourne Tigers.

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anonymous  
Years ago

Ais or cofe as its now called are at every nationals which is suppossed to be the representation of the cream each state has to offer.
Just how many spots do you think they have. Answer is very few so the reality is 99% of kids will not get their. Hence why something like nitp is warranted. All kids develop at different rates and to be honest have you seen what ais have turned out from all who went there. Only a small percentage of them come out better than when they went their(girls in particular) as they choose them way too young and in all probability they would have success even if they didnt make the ais. How many players who are standouts at un14s ever make the grade as seniors

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Anonymous  
Years ago

Ohh my....

It's great that there are occasionally a few kids that don't get selected or were involved for the sports formal, national pathways still make it to a level beyond juniors. The fact is this is the exception rather than the rule.

The Federal Government has formal funding arrangements with the NSOs in every sport to develop well governed, planned, transparent and clearly identified pathways in their sport. NITP is our sports formally recognised, endorsed pathway.

You identify BV as an island unto itself. It is not. It is an affiliated of the sport's national pathway, they have formal high performance arrangements in place with the AIS and BA. Whilst BA staff may at times have a healthy tension with their state based counterparts, and seek to provide constructive feedback, performance measurement and guidance, this is a healthy aspect of the above.

By the above post it appears you are saying kids will "make it" if they don't participate in NITP and you accuse coaches stopping their players from attending.

If this is happening it is ill informed and uneducated and if I was a parent of a kid in this kind of environment that did not support the sports pathways, providing opportunities to my kid I would rip them out faster than you can blink. The kids that make it outside of the our countries' internationally recognised, nationally endorsed, federal government funded pathway is rare.

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987  
Years ago

Sorry. I am referring to 984

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Perspective  
Years ago

Kids mature at different rates I don't think it matters to much who makes it and who doesn't. I was 6.0 at 14 and then 6.1 at 22. I went from a tall to a small. My skills where not anywhere near what they needed to be for a point guard but at 14 I was a monster. Made lots of good teams thought I was going to be 6.8 playing in the NBA. Then only grew 1 inch over the next 8 years. NITP maybe good for some and for others just something to hang your hat for the now. Time is fleeting enjoy it while it lasts cause that little smart-ass that keeps trash talking the one you could knockout with ya little finger, one day his 6.3 and still has all the skills and for you like me it's goodnight.

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Anon  
Years ago

Participation in NITP is irrelevant to a players chance of making it. Plenty of kids make their way to College without getting a gig at the NITP and plenty of NITP players get overlooked for college. College's are looking for size and atheletic ability. Look at the Univeristy of Lousville roster and you will see a player from Melbourne who did not particpate in rep ball but is now being chased for the Boomers squad. If you are good enough and willing to put the effort in you will be found. No one should get hung up over the NITP or BV pathways. Plenty of opportunities for players out there if they are willing to put the effort in.

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Big Mac  
Years ago

^Absolutely Anon in allot of cases it's the kid who wants it badly. Suffers set backs that keep refocusing and working ever harder on weakness. They come out bigger and better.

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Anonymous  
Years ago

I find it very hard to believe that DV have got 5 girls through i call bullshit it's not possible. I call bullshit that they had the most coaches at tryouts and I call bullshit that one of them didn't have to tryout. What a load of crap just some parent that's kid didn't make it making stuff up.

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Big Mac aka GOAT  
Years ago

Is that right 105#! I really don't care want you do and don't believe. I'v heard that's want has gone on. Is there anyone who can confirm what has taken place?

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Anonymous  
Years ago

Who has final say on who makes NITP and NPP?
Is it the coaches at these camps or is it someone at BV?

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Anonymous  
Years ago

#105 I know for a fact that at BVC Boy Tryouts a Country Boy did not know of his nomination and did not attend, and yes he did get in..... NO BULLSHIT yeah

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Big Mac aka GOAT  
Years ago

I thinks it's the coaches first then BV. People like #105 live in al al land.

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Anonymous  
Years ago

Don't the coaches make recommendations and then BV either agree or disagree with them? Surely GW would have ultimate say in who makes the grade?

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Anonymous  
Years ago

105, hilarious.

The trials aren't the only thing the selections are based on. Everyone is getting into DV, but another club has 4 girls in - 1 in NITP and 3 in NPP.

And they had no coaches involved, and the 3 in NPP were not at the final trial.

Did you notice the state coaches and other BV folks watched every game at the classic?

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Mike  
Years ago

Interesting that they watched every game because DV didn't make it under 16s that is.

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Anonymous  
Years ago

Mike, maybe the classic wasn't their only input????

Very interesting

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Anonymous  
Years ago

So what if our coach was selecting? He knows how good our girls are! Its that simple. When you work with them all the time you know how good they are. 2 of the 5 are in our 2s now anyway. Our girls worked harder.

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Anonymous  
Years ago

Now that's funny!

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Big Mac aka GOAT  
Years ago

Righto then clearly DV are the bomb lol.

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Anonymous  
Years ago

2 players from their 2nd team in NITP, ha ha ha ha ha

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Anonymous  
Years ago

How good is the program at DV? 5 kids selected and 2 from the 2's and they work harder. Must get my kid there. Do you think we mere mortals could get a spot in this star studded outfit. I have heard the the future opals are only going to selected out of this incredible bunch of harder working superstars.

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Anonymous  
Years ago

I hear they are going to close the COE as don't need it now with it all happening at DV

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Anonymous  
Years ago

Embarrassing that I called bullshit!

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Anonymous  
Years ago

How dare you be so rude I know that almost all those girls have been playing together since bottom age 12's they have worked hard and are clearly better than others in their age group it's proven with there selection. So much jealousy in this forum. Maybe you can take a leaf out the book of these girls. We have great coaches so we will always have more selecting just because they know how good the girls are dose not mean we had any favouritism.

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VP  
Years ago

Is the list of 2014 NITP players selected on BV website because can't seem to find it.

If you go by the VC U16 Girls ladder you would think Bulleen & Dandenong would dominate selections and by the VC U16 boys ladder its Knox, Melbourne & Nunawading would dominate selections unless we are talking about next years U16 group.

We all remember how Andrew Bogut was overlooked by BV but he ended up at AIS then all the way to College & NBA so what we should learn is if your prepared to work hard enough even through a non-standard pathway eventually the right people will notice you.

By the way DV1 Girls currently 8th & DV2 Girls 16th so if they have dominated selections then it would seem strange but without seeing the list I don't want to judge.

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Anonymous  
Years ago

The ladders are not really relevant as it's next year's u16s not this year's.

Probably a better indication would be how the group performed when top age last year, did they win Nationals, the Classic or VC?

Or even two years before that did they win VC as they've apparently been together since bottom age under 12.

Surely with 5 NITP players they must dominate.

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Kidding me right  
Years ago

Didn't make nationals haven't won VC. Apparently this coming year will be unbeatable. Harder working and better then everyone else. No favouritism at selections because the coach knows how good they are. No preconceived ideas there. Fair dinkum!

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Anonymous  
Years ago

This is the forum that keeps on giving.

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green45  
Years ago

#178 Only 17th on the most replies list. Keep on and the 900+ replies is in sight.

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Anonymous  
Years ago

Is it true that DV are charging admission to see the 16'1s next season.

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Anonymous  
Years ago

I'd pay just to watch them train.

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Anonymous  
Years ago

With so many elite in one team how did they not make classic, are they sitting top of vc?

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Bulleen member  
Years ago

I get the frustration on NITP selections. It isn't perfect and there have been kids that have missed out in the past that have raised eyebrows and equally others that have been inclusions. I don't know what the criteria is that they look for to include some players that may not be "the best" right now, but they are usually tall, athletic with potential to be developed. The difficult thing is the limited places we now have at NITP to include all those with talent that deserve to be there so decisions have to be made.

Bulleen girls have a good number included in NITP. they sit on top of the VC ladder in 16's and third in 18's and those players included have been in state teams or emergencies in the past. We have no selectors at NITP .

I am a little over the Diamond Valley bashing on this thread. I can only assume the 2 included in the second side are bottom age. We too have three selected from our second side who are bottom age 16's. I understand the frustration is the perception of bias from DV NITP selectors towards the players but we are also impacting young kids who I really hope are not privy to this forum.

At Bulleen we run an State Performance Program led by Darren Perry where those players that are just outside NITP selection. IMO this session is better than the NiTP sessions (maybe biased :) but one of the boys who worked in this program made NITP for the first time which was a great outcome for his commitment to improvement.

All clubs need to focus on lifting the quality of coaching and NITP or no NITP, you can get great coaching for your elite players within your own club.

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Big Mac aka GOAT  
Years ago

Three from a club like Bulleen is not surprising or DV for that matter but 5 is interesting. Clearly DV have an amazing age group coming through I'm looking forward to seeing how they go in the next season.

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Anonymous  
Years ago

Will a list get put up. I have heard that the ECC teams have been picked. No more camps this year.

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Anonymous  
Years ago

Under 16 Victorian Metro Squad announced

The East Coast Challenge (ECC) is a concept originally set up by Basketball Victoria and Basketball New South Wales for Metropolitan athletes at Under 16 and Under 18 level to compete in a round robin style tournament in Sydney (NSW). Due to the success in recent years, South Australia Metro and ACT have joined.

In January, eight Victoria Metropolitan teams (x2 Under 16 Boys and Girls Teams and x2 Under 18 Boys & Girls Teams) play against teams from each of the other States. The Under 16 teams are selected from Victoria Metropolitan's selection Camps whilst the Under 18 teams consists of the final 24 athletes that remain in the Victoria Metro Under 18 State Team selection process for the upcoming Australian Junior Championships.

The ECC is a fantastic development tool as it takes the players away from the comfort zone they may find themselves in with their regular Friday night team and routine and in a tournament play environment. This creates somewhat of a challenge for the individual as they need to adapt whilst away from home yet still at the level expected of them.

2015 ECC Dates: Wednesday 7th - Friday 9th January 2015.

Congratulations to all selected Under 16 players listed below:

Under 16 Girls Victoria Metro
Sharna Ayres - Diamond Valley
Aneta Bandilovski - Diamond Valley
Daisy Bateman - Nunawading
Emmalia Blake - Melbourne
Enya Broadley - Sandringham
Tayla Cedamo - Nunawading
Georgia Cleary - Eltham
Lucy Cochrane - Sandringham
Indica Cohen - Melbourne
Leila DiVirgilio - Bulleen
Keeley Frawley - Sandringham
Kaia Giles - Werribee
Cassidy Gould - Altona
Brianna Hans - Knox
Olivia Henry - Diamond Valley
Chloe Hilderbrand - Diamond Valley
Tegan Hindle - Werribee
Lana Hollingsworth - Sandringham
Elli Leydin - Altona
Emma Nankervis - Frankston
Madeline Phillips - Bulleen
Christina Popa - Melbourne
Madeline Puli - Werribee
Romy Richardson - Bulleen
Ruby Shepherd - Knox
Destiny Valenti - Diamond Valley

Under 16 Boys Victoria Metro
Ben Adams - Kilsyth
Kye Agosta - Eltham
Liam Allison - Melbourne
Matthew Baggio - Collingwood
Nicholas Barro - Diamond Valley
Corey Battistin - Werribee
Callan Blackley - Dandenong
Ryan Bowkett - Diamond Valley
Austen Bradtke - Melbourne
Harrison Bridge - Sandringham
Jackson Burge - Melbourne
David Djukic - Waverley
Nick Formosa - Altona
TJ Hepi - Dandenong
Brad Heywood - Kilsyth
Nicholas Kiefer - Hawthorn
Keli Leaupepe - Bulleen
Trent Nathan - Nunawading
Kyle Potter - Pakenham
Ryan Rapp - Dandenong
Matthew Roberts - Ringwood
Tyler Robertson - Warrandyte
Wyatt Shantz - Eltham
Stefan Uzelac - Eltham
Ward Williams - Melbourne
Bailey Wraith - Hawthorn

The Under 18 teams will be known later in 2014.

For further enquires about Basketball Victoria's High Performance programs please contact Sami Gaal on 03 9837 8000.

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anonymous  
Years ago

And all 5 diamond valley un16 girls made the squad, no Dandenong players at all which is unusual considering they finished second on the vjbl ladder and have quite a few bottom age players.

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Anonymous  
Years ago

Yes Dandenong team made it to Club Nationals with that group at least, DV not to be seen.

Not sure how many of the Dandenong girls are country in that age group?

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Anonymous  
Years ago

One of the Melbourne girls is u17 unless she has decided to repeat u16

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Anonymous  
Years ago

5 from DV what a joke! So it's all true. I wonder if the part about one of them not trying out is true that would prove favoritism.

None from Dandenong? Sad state at BV ATM. Maybe someone should send an FOI request and have a good look at the files over there.

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Anonymous  
Years ago

Nepotism at it's best

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Anonymous  
Years ago

How many players were at the selection camp and how many were from each club?

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Anonymous  
Years ago

I heard about 40 kids were there. That DV team is going to be a fearsome unit in VC next season. Will be great to see how they go.

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Anonymous  
Years ago

Next season DV look like they will be better then the U16 Girls Bulleen team this year. There is always a standout team and it looks like next season is DV'S turn.

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Anonymous  
Years ago

This is a load of crap.

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Anonymous  
Years ago

You're right, DV won't even get close in u16 girls next year.

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Anonymous  
Years ago

That's what I think. The nitp selection is a joke. You shouldn't be able to make it if you didn't tryout.

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Anonymous  
Years ago

When my son finally made it into NITP he pulled out because the volunteer coaches weren't teaching him anything he hadn't already learned from his professional coach. Don't feel bad if your kid doesn't make it.

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Anonymous  
Years ago

"That's what I think. The nitp selection is a joke. You shouldn't be able to make it if you didn't tryout."

So this would discount plenty then based on the numbers of 40-50 kids trying out. 26 players names from 40-50 doesn't mean too many missed out if they tried out.

Heard only 1 Dandenong player attended try outs so that may explain the fact there is no Dandenong players in the list.

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Anonymous  
Years ago

So your son quit the chance to get extra training against other elite athletes? Gee I bet he goes a long way in the sport...

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Radical  
Years ago

No use doing the extra training if your not learning anything. Not like these NITP kids play against each other to get better, they simply train together.

If NITP is so good, how come a lot of the kids in it can't shoot?

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Bear  
Years ago

I am not buying into the selection arguement, however some may be missing the point of such a program.

It teaches kids with potential more than just basketball skills, they also have a chance to learn discipline, sacrifice, planning, responsibility and other important life skills along the way.

Then they have to show that they can cope with the extra responsibility and effort to fulfil their potential and a select few will have the chance to then step into the elite senior environment.

Based on what such programs are supposed to provide, those who graduate will be better equipped as leaders and have a much better understanding of what it takes at the elite end of a sport, in this case hoops.

As with any such program, often you will get from it what you put into it.

Unfortunately some years it has been better run than in others and at some locations it is better supported than in others, not going to deny that at times in the past it has not provided what it has promised, however what I see at the moment, at least here in Vic Country is that it is being very well coordinated and run.

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Anonymous  
Years ago

Bear - agree completely. My child is in the NSW NITP program and it has been great. It teaches much more than basketball, and likewise it is very well run.

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Anonymous  
Years ago

haha won't learn anything going against and with other elite basketballers? nice advice - probably will be the first one sooking when he doesn't make it!

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Anonymous  
Years ago

No matter what you think surely you at least have to tryout!

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Anonymous  
Years ago

No, you just have to pick the best kids. The trials aren't the only input to selection.

If the next Lauren Jackson isn't at trials because she's at state team training as a bottom age player, should you not pick her?

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Anonymous  
Years ago

If the player has been there before absolutely. However some individuals this year have been selected that have never been in any team at that level before that didn't tryout and have been picked. How is that fair? it's ridiculous.

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Anonymous  
Years ago

The bigger issue is there are many who get picked on the basis that they were in SCC or some other thing before, and turned up.

If you look at what everyone has been complaining about, that group from one club is continually picked on the basis they were here last time, or someone is a coach's daughter.

There is hardly a talented athlete or smart basketballer amongst the 5 of them.

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Anonymous  
Years ago

Absolutely on the money (554). I think one of them should be there but a smart basketballer she is not.

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Anonymous  
Years ago

And one of them didn't even tryout. How dose that work?

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Anonymous  
Years ago

It seems the most selfish players make it.

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VP  
Years ago

Play the ball not the man. Comments attacking the individual kids at a said club is getting too personal and needs to end.

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Anonymous  
Years ago

Never seen this much frustration before clearly something not right this year.

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Anonymous  
Years ago

BV have lost their way.

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Anonymous  
Years ago

From afar (NSW) it seems the problem is the process... Is NITP squad really selected from a single trial???

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Anonymous  
Years ago

How else can you select other than putting them against each other to see who really has the skill sets. I find it hard to believe that all best kids come from so few clubs. Its all based on bias.

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Anonymous  
Years ago

I agree BV have lost the way. It's a shame. Get back to fair dinkum selection.

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Anonymous  
Years ago

Again i think its process. I heard that vic dont have a head NITP coach employed by BV who is not employed by any association. Is that correct?

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Anonymous  
Years ago

Yes that's true coaches from the clubs are selectors.

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Mike  
Years ago

This is the issue. Coaches select their own club kids thinking that it will help them improve their teams. It's a stupid process. This year show just how wrong it is. Everybody is taking about it. The amount of discontent this year is incredible.

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Anonymous  
Years ago

The new process is flawed, in regards to Vic Country you were picked after being noticed at AJCBC or Clubbies or Southern Cross.This gave selectors 3-5 days to watch players. Now 1 4 hour session .

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Anonymous  
Years ago

To all those having a crack at the DV kids, time to man up and cut it out. They are young kids who paid and attended a state run try out. If you are not happy with the process, so be it and ask to see the Head guy there.

How petty that some kids got selected and some did not so let's attack the kids and their club.

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Anonymous  
Years ago

People are justifiably upset with the lake of accountability and transparency. With the hopes and dreams of kids on the line the process should be more open.

Everybody should understand how the selection process works. However it's all done behind closed doors with veiled offering of process.

If we really do want the best athletes to make NITP then why not outsource the selection process. With a very and transparent process that setts out clear selection criteria.

This is the only way to get meritorious selection. Anyone who apposes this must have something to hide or lose.

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Anonymous  
Years ago

More like the hopes and dreams of parents on the line...

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Anonymous  
Years ago

I agree 852 and 876 has a vested interest. Easy to spot those who are the product^^^^^^^

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Anonymous  
Years ago

vested interested? from sa? hardly. it's just easy to spot lunatic parents with delusions of conspiracies!

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Anonymous  
Years ago

Oh for gods sake parents move on, there is next year tell your kids to work their arses off and go prove those selectors wrong! This is like a war and peace novel, get over it the kids probably have

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Anonymous  
Years ago

Re: #259 "So your son quit the chance to get extra training against other elite athletes? Gee I bet he goes a long way in the sport..."

There are only so many training opportunities during the week so he chose to train with a professional individuals coach, his SBL coach, his u20's coach and the state squad.

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Anonymous  
Years ago

And your complaining he didn't make NITP lol

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Anonymous  
Years ago

I was complaining he didn't make NITP early on when it would have helped him to develop as a player. Instead NITP took him after he had developed significantly but was looking at other, more advanced, opportunities. NITP should have identified his potential early on instead of working with kids who were early maturers but limited long term future in the sport.

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Anonymous  
Years ago

So you had all these training choices, but quit the actual official elite basketball pathway one. How clever.

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Anonymous  
Years ago

I was complaining he didn't make NITP early on when it would have helped him to develop as a player. Instead NITP took him after he had developed significantly but was looking at other, more advanced, opportunities. NITP should have identified his potential early on instead of working with kids who were early maturers but limited long term future in the sport.



You need to get over yourself, sorry to be so blunt, but obviously he WASNT ready for NITP, and WASNT showing potential at the time compared to others, so he went off and improved, that's what you have to do, and then He was selected, and by not accepting you have just compromised his future within the basketball Australia pathway....good job mum or dad, let your own ego kill your kids opportunities. Parents need to butt out step back and let the kids do the work, it paid off for your son, but then you still were not happy

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Ubuntu  
Years ago

This is absolutely pathetic, adults picking on kids all due to the fact that they can't accept that their children are inedaquate basketball players.

If you put as much time into developing your child's basketball ability as you do gossiping about other children's achievements your child may have made the cut.

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Anonymous  
Years ago

So VIC NPP/NITP finally kicked off today with athlete testing. Who were the shock selections or omissions???

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Anonymous  
Years ago

http://www.hoops.com.au/forum/33975-nitp-selection-camp-for-u16/#p493311 "You need to get over yourself, sorry to be so blunt, but obviously he WASNT ready for NITP, and WASNT showing potential at the time compared to others, so he went off and improved, that's what you have to do, and then He was selected, and by not accepting you have just compromised his future within the basketball Australia pathway....good job mum or dad, let your own ego kill your kids opportunities. Parents need to butt out step back and let the kids do the work, it paid off for your son, but then you still were not happy"

You seem incapable of reading English. If you return to my earlier posts you will read that my son decided himself to pull out of NITP because the standard of coaching he was getting was less that what he was receiving elsewhere. He said something along the lines of "I don't want to go any more, I'm not learning anything new". I had butted out and left him to his decision, but I had to deal with the embarrassment of him knocking back the opportunity.

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Anonymous  
Years ago

This post is dead..... Fair dinkum, choose a path for your kids, support them and leave it to the kids to decide what suits them

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Big Macca  
Years ago

So VIC NPP/NITP finally kicked off today with athlete testing. Who were the shock selections or omissions???

I'm sure this one has been done to death read above actually very funny.

Have said that where they any shock omissions? how could there be either made it or didn't!

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Anonymous  
Years ago

Wolves not Gators...

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Anonymous  
Years ago

Somewhere in this thread we discussed if NITP players make State Teams. Today I checked BVC U18 State Team after being OS and wow 2 boys who never made NITP.

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Anonymous  
Years ago

I bet no quitters made the team...

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Anonymous  
Years ago

Unfortunately there are no DV girls through to the last 15 for the Vic Metro state team selection.

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Good Luck  
Years ago

One person's opinion doesn't reflect the quality of any of these players, regardless of club. I'm involved in a different club, but I know DV has a deep talent pool in this age group.

The fact that not a single kid from that club made the last 15 some would say is more a reflection of the coach selecting than those DV kids.

Good luck and I hope he has selected right, because after a 4th place finish - the spotlight is fair and square on him.

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Anonymous  
Years ago

I think he is listening too much to an assistant who maybe has some favourites to push through, best guard in the competition gets cut, look out when they play hawthorn.Maybe they should madate that if your a state coach you cannot be a VJBL coach for that year so you can go around and look the player in a true environment and see them perform. I think the under process has been a joke they will be lucky to get a 4th

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Anonymous  
Years ago

The assistant coach you speak of wouldn't possibly have been from the same club as the kid selected ahead of the "best guard in the state" would they? Or both of them aren't from the same club that the head coach used to coach at? Which is the same club that are rivals with diamond valley (whose second team has beaten hawthorn 1 twice to date)? And the head of basketball Vic wouldn't happen to be from the same club as all of the above, surely?

........oh wait

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Anonymous  
Years ago

There are no girls from Diamond Valley, Hawthorn or Eltham in the squad.

The only other guard that possibly could have made it did her ACL, otherwise the best players are all in the squad.

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Anonymous  
Years ago

'Unfortunately there are no DV girls through to the last 15 for the Vic Metro state team selection"

I'd be questioning the development they are getting at DV not the selection process or the coach who is selecting
whos head of DV ?

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Anonymous  
Years ago

Eltham do have a player in the final 15, plays a 2/3.

^ and why would you question their development at DV?

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Observer  
Years ago

Is this the first time that tryouts are open to all. Always thought for " identified " athletes with invitations. What is going on?

Open Trials

BV/ NITP Country Selection Trials - U16 & U18

Location: Shepparton Basketball Stadium, Numurkah Road, Shepparton.

Date: BOYS - Saturday 25 July July 2015 and GIRLS - Sunday 26 July 2015

Time: 10.00am to 4.00pm

Cost: $55

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