Anonymous
Years ago

Best College Recruiters

At the moment going through the very beginning stages of looking into the college pathway for my daughter. We are currently looking for recommendations for good college recruiting businesses or specific recruiters?

Adelaide based but happy to use interstate services if these provide better service. She has represented SA at National Junior Championships previously. Any recommendations?

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Anonymous  
Years ago

will she consider division 2 as an option?

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Hope this helps  
Years ago

I can only speak from experience with my own daughter. We used https://anzbs.com/ and got multiple offers at different NCAA levels. They also took us through the whole process and into the college of my daughter's choice. Finally, their service exceeded by far their very cheap fee. I guess it is also important to state that I am not associated in any way with the Australia and New Zealand Basketball Scouts company, other than accepting their good service for my daughter.

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Anonymous  
Years ago

Happy to go with the college that fits her best, rather than going for a Div 1 college that can't offer her the same playing/academic experience. Quite open at this point.

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Anonymous  
Years ago

Talk to Darren Smith at BA. He is employed for this exact reason to give the best unbiased advice you can get. A new appointment and with these exact situations in mind.
http://www.bapathways.com.au/about.php

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Anonymous  
Years ago

Is Div 1 even hard to get into these days. Some of the kids getting offers is crazy

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Anonymous  
Years ago

anzbs = much more talk than actual capability.

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Anonymous  
Years ago

Over 35 girls to D1 this year alone.

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Anonymous  
Years ago

From Australia...

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Anonymous  
Years ago

How about AUSA hoops? Have also heard things about CCR (Customer College Recruiting)

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Bigdog  
Years ago

Do it yourself

Or stay here go to uni, get a job practice your basketball in your spare time, put the money you would put into going to college towards some one on one coaching or even a house deposit

Be happy to do the one on one coaching sessions for you

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Anonymous  
Years ago

College is paid for if you get scholarship, what are you on about...

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Bigdog  
Years ago

You got to feed yourself with money

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Anonymous  
Years ago

Yeah, difficult....
I'd take the 400,000 4 year education.

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Anonymous  
Years ago

Average cost is US$25,000 but alright

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Anonymous  
Years ago

Even tuition and boarding at Harvard isn't $100,000 a year.

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Anonymous  
Years ago

That shameless promotion of ANZBS was just, well, shameless.

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Anonymous  
Years ago

Get a rubbish degree that's not worth the paper it’s written on

How many girls have gone straight from college to the WNBA, better off going the the WNBL if that’s your dream because more players have been drafted that way than through college

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Anonymous  
Years ago

25,000 lol, I wish it cost that much.

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Anonymous  
Years ago

Haven't seen many Aussie college players regret there time in the states.

If you're sole goal in life is to play pro ball, then go to the wnbl and get paid next to nothing.

College means so much more than just basketball.

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Anonymous  
Years ago

Your kid should have got a scholarship then. Or gone to a community college, still sounds impressive even though it's just TAFE

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Anonymous  
Years ago

Going to the US as a late teen into early 20s is a dream. Plus the experience there is amazing in terms of campus life. The key is to not be lazy and do one their easy trash degrees. Apart from that aspect I think many Aussies are Ameriphobic.

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Anonymous  
Years ago

The ones on here knocking it, that is.

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Anonymous  
Years ago

Oh let's be honest, amazing experience. Does it make you a better basketballer over staying here? Debatable, but if you can go overseas and play some basketball why wouldn’t you

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Hope this helps  
Years ago

Re Anonymous
Again for those like anonymous 705504 who may be a bit slow, I am not linked to ANZBS in any way other than the service it gave to my daughter. In our case, it was well worth the fee. Shameless would be taking potshots at a company without identifying where you get your insights from or what your interests were.

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Anonymous  
Years ago

BA have a free service now. Great initiative, so many companies out there trying to leech off of kids and their parents!

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Anonymous  
Years ago

Therein lies the problem......

BA pathways is NOT a free service and the problem is it is a commercial operation just like all the others with BA trying to monopolise the process for athletes. Effectively BA is "buying into" this business packed with unscrupulous operators, attemping to close the market all together. This kind of non-competitive, monopolisation of commercial entities is what Governments hate funding, especially Liberal.

It also creates opportunities for market manipulation by unscrupulous individuals working for these organisations which will hurt the athletes not bowing to the needs of the governing bodies and also open the door to corruption which happens in communist states.

Also the mix of commercialism, and generating revenue from athletes can lead to clouds of uncertainty around athlete selection happen for national programs, which happens now, even without the cluster f*ck that is this new commercial thing. Will paying your xx amount to BA for their college service make it more likely for you to make national programs, funded by Governmment and fees from stakeholders.

Buyer beware. Take ownership of your own pathways and don't become relient on others.

It is a good idea indeed but is being VERY poorly implemented and won't achieve the goals BA wants in the current setup. It will do more harm than good.

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Dave Q  
Years ago

(Mod: No mentions of that company on here please.)

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Anonymous  
Years ago

I guess I shouldn't be surprized on here but, a lot of uneducated remarks by people that obviously have no idea.

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Bear  
Years ago

Anon - OP, you sound genuine and I wish you well with your daughter's prospects and future.

Before you start taking advice from a forum like this you would need to provide a little more information, especially some specifics which to be honest may not even be appropriate for a forum in the first place.

That's my way of saying your asking for something which is so subjective it may not be worthwhile, however there are ways for you to start the process within your local area which if I may, I will suggest.

Not knowing where it is your daughter plays, I will presume it is with an Association which has at least some history and connections where people in the past have done what you appear to be embarking on.

The journey itself is filled with humps and pitfalls, however my advice is to find as much information about every aspect of the college recruitment process you can from those within your Association who have already been or are still in that process.

Do this first, exhaust all of your local avenues, speak with people, kids who have come back from college, people who have made contact with US coaches and recruiters and anyone at all with experiences they are willing to share.

You will gain leads, valuable resources and most importantly information, then you can start to make the next move and give up some cash if you need to, however just be careful of the spin and those who promise the world, once you give them the cash (if that's what they want first)!

Now remember this one very important, sometimes hard to swallow fact - 'if your daughter is good enough, you will not need to go very far to gain college interest, it will come to you'

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Bear  
Years ago

...and before someone points out that my post contradicts itself, I do have direct experience in the process, cheers!

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Anonymous  
Years ago

Great advice by Bear. Your local association will have a vested interest in your child doing well almost all the time, not taking your money.

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Anonymous  
Years ago

Thanks Bear, I do appreciate what you are saying and really appreciate your honest and insightful post. We have tried talking with people that have done what we are trying to do across a whole lot of clubs. We are a bit stuck in the fact that most kids have gone through a local group which we have heard some success stories of but also some real horror stories. We had looked at the recommendations given by the people we know and at this point are really just looking to see if there are any other services people recommend as we want to make an educated choice. Ultimately just looking for some names of places we can look into that we may not have heard of through the grapevine and after a quick google search.

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ColCon  
Years ago

A couple of facts relevant to the discussion above:

- the average cost of tuition in 2017/18 in the 350 NCAA D1 schools was $US29k (~$AUD40k). Board & accom is about $AUD18k so the average D1 'full ride' is worth about $AUD60k pa. Harvard tuition was $US47k + Board & Accom so it is about $AUD85k pa). There are no Athletic scholarships offered at the Ivy League schools.

- "Get a rubbish degree that's not worth the paper it's written on". Depends on where you go. There are 3000+ colleges in the US so yes there are plenty of ones where a degree isnt well recognised. However there are 100's of magnificent universities at the good end. The Times (UK) published their global university rankings today which shows that Aust had 9 universities ranked in the top 200 whereas the US has 60. The piece of paper from them is very valuable. Those students who see the opportunity to get to an excellent university via their basketball can do very well. I have seen many athletes get to a better university in the US, via their sport, than they would have done by staying in Aust. Plus they get the sport and the experience of living in the US. As a general rule the more academic universities are in NCAA D1 (some exceptions in D3), so getting to the better universities generally requires higher academic ability.


To the OP, I'd say do your homework on the college, the coach, the team, the conference, the culture, the location. Know what is important to your daughter (why does she really want to go - basketball/academics/college experience?). Seek help - it can be complicated but making the right choice is critical to a successful 4 years at college. Its not for everyone but can be life-changing for some.

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ColCon  
Years ago

Sorry small mistake in my post above:

"As a general rule the more academic universities are in NCAA D1 (some exceptions in D3), so getting to the better universities generally requires higher academic ability."

should read:
"...higher basketball ability"

Thx

Afterthought. The OP should, as a first step, ensure her daughter will have the 16 core-courses required for NCAA eligibility if that uis where she is intending to go.

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Bear  
Years ago

^^You are correct in almost all of that and there are several posts in these forums indicating similar advice and commentary @ColCon, I will second your comments.

It is why I suggest the OP has some key information missing for us to really help him/her in this topic?

There are so many avenues to the college system these days, technology is your biggest friend, only a few years ago it wasn't as easy to contact coaches overseas, send them links to videos and information about a prospect. Now that is all at your fingertips, and yes there are many different versions of peoples experiences (both in the process and after actually making it and getting to the other side).

The OP, seems to asking only a specific question, 'who can we contact that may help us with recruiting?'

That being the case, everything else at this stage is throwing details at the OP which may or may not already be known to him/her. Not saying the information is wrong, right, bad or good, just that when it comes to this topic it is a subjective one and really, the level of the girl in question dictates what level of success a recruiter will have, not so much how good they may suggest they are at connecting you..

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Anonymous  
Years ago

Great - she is all set with the 16 core courses and we have worked them out for her all the way to the end of Year 12. I do agree that her ability is going to be the key thing that will get her into a good college also backed up by her academic ability as from what I understand there are some colleges that won't take you unless you reach a certain academic level based on SAT, GPA etc.

The recruiter is important to us to help us make connections with different colleges that may be a good fit. They can be quite expensive so making the right choice to us is super important. We have a decent list now from our research and this forum and I do appreciate the extra tips and pointers from everyone. Navigating this whole thing seems to be quite confusing so just wanting a company/someone who can connect us and advise us of the things we need to do to make sure she is eligible also.

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Bear  
Years ago

Anonymous (OP), just so we are on the same page here, there are some things (like ColCon has already mentioned) that you will need to do or address regardless of whose help you are seeking.

Just a quick list, have you considered or started on any of the following: (this very much depends on the age and level of play your daughter is at)...

1. Confirmed that her schooling is correct to qualify her for the NCAA or Canadian college system?

2. Spoken with her in an open and honest manner to gauge her strength of interest and ambitions, confirming it is her dream and not yours?

3. Received honest and unbiased feedback from independent State or higher level coaches about her prospects and ability?

4. Prepared or have the ability to put together highlight video of her basketball abilities, posted them online in a high resolution and format easy for coaches to reasonably quickly be able to asses her and contact you?

These are just some quick simple things that are almost certainly requirements (not negotiable), if you are not at this stage, you may be jumping the gun...

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Bear  
Years ago

I see since my post you have started on some of these, it isn't an exact science on here is it lol...

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Anonymous  
Years ago

This shouldn't be done via private companies IMO. Only BA etc. but it sounds like they also are trying to cash in? Shame.

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Anonymous  
Years ago

We are pretty much across most of those things - College is her dream and something she has been on ME about for a while now nagging me about starting the process because 'we can't leave it till the last minute’. Her main reason being the overseas experience, she wants to live and breathe Basketball, she wants to be pushed and to learn from different people and very much understands the concept of STUDENT athlete.

We have spoken with those who coach her (high performance, club and state coaches) to gauge her ability and it is something they have encouraged her to do if she feels this is where she would like to take her next step. They have passed on some simple tips and guided us towards some information (part of the reason she is more ontop of it than I am!). We have video from her nationals this year and some of her games this year for club also - uncut as yet (have been told we need to keep a full version of each game as well as produce highlight tapes too).

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Bear  
Years ago

Anon^, it's not within the scope of BA to assist everyone who wants to pursue college ball, they are already vested into those on their elite pathway and the focus is very much in that zone.

Of course they should expand their program and system to help out more people, especially those not in that top bracket, but I guess the funds only go so far, which is why there is opportunity for private companies.

Don't blame BA though, it is what it is...

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Bear  
Years ago

OP, yes also full games and the more recent the better.

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Anonymous  
Years ago

Thanks Bear, it's been good to hear your advice on this - wasn’t too sure if this would prove a useful post but I sincerely appreciate the info from everyone.

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Bear  
Years ago

It appears you are on the right track, so don't be afraid to contact any assistant coaches at colleges that your daughter is keen on and introduce yourself either.

They are human too, although it may seem daunting and unfamiliar, trust me they get people emailing them introducing kids all the time and they are now used to it.

Obviously, if it is something you want a recruiter to do I would appreciate and understand, but it isn't against any rules for you as a parent to make contact with them, just do it in a polite and respectful manner.

If they are looking for a player like your daughter, they will want more, once you establish communications you can feed them bit by bit, just wanted to throw it out there, good luck!

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Anonymous  
Years ago

Don't spend money on companies please. Contact colleges yourself.

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Anonymous  
Years ago

YEp!!! Or someone in your club, state program or national team like your coach or a DIrector.

Over in the States it is almost seen as part of the HS/AAU coaches job to help their kids out with all this. Because coaches don't get paid the lazy ones won't help. Undoubtably you will find someone independent to help you for free in those networks above if you have been valuable in their teams.

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Anonymous  
Years ago

*Because coaches here

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Anonymous  
Years ago

As you are already aware there are a multitude of different ways to 'get to college' and that there are many variables/factors at play, a number of which have been mentioned already. Its not a one size fits all thing either, or follow steps 1 thru 5 and voila... get flooded with offers. You should look at and consider all options and what makes sense(fit) for your daughter, whether you use a service (and there are many - not sure which is best), whether you consider going on an 'exposure' tour (again a number of groups do this), or whether go to US high school/finishing school, or whether you do all the legwork yourself, each have their own pro's and con's.

I certainly agree with others that have posted, leverage your network where possible, ask many questions, who else from your area/association has done it recently, how did they do it, understand eligibility requirements for each association and level, understand types of scholarship on offer, do your research, be open minded and try to be realistic about level attainable from day 1, if D1 is not it, there are still so many other options out there, make an informed decision.

A caveat on all this - unless your daughter is in the top 1% of ballers in Australia, makes an under age Aussie team then all the above is way less important, because then the shoe is entirely on the other foot. Colleges will be actively recruiting your daughter!!

Regardless, not much out there is free these days, unless you do it ALL yourself....everyone is selling something....lots of people/organisations have vested interests....so buyer beware....

For me the biggest advantage you have is starting early, and maximising the academic eligibility, the rest is hard work.....good luck!

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Isaac  
Years ago

My brother and I talked about this once. He turned down a college offer early on admittedly but did go on to have a long NBL career, as some would know. He said that prospects should talk with coaches within their club, find a way to get in touch with NBL assistants and even head coaches, and get advice from them. He said that almost every NBL coach would be happy to provide advice and help to dedicated kids.

He was a bit traumatised to think that back when he was younger, our parents might've thought they needed to spend thousands on extra private support for his dream, on top of junior basketball costs - uniforms, interstate trips, etc.

Like I said, he turned down the college offer to go straight to the NBL, but he's spent almost 20 years around NBL players, many of which went to college or got there by other means.

There are dozens of people around clubs, on Twitter, FB, etc that would probably be happy to share their thoughts if you asked them. On here, there's every risk you cop spam I haven't caught. From a skim of this thread, Bear is the only other one with much of a history on Hoops. They've been posting for years.

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Anonymous  
Years ago

You realise paying scouts breaks NCAA rules and makes your kid ineligible?

Don't pay the crooks that feed off the kids.

The good people charge the colleges - if they try to charge you run away.

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Bear  
Years ago

^anon's post above triggered my memory on an important issue regarding eligibility and how the US NCAA system and those working within it use terms we consider different in context and description.

It is true, DO NOT SAY YOU USE AN AGENT OR A SCOUT, do not use those terms or reference anything linking to payments or fees in regards to your NCAA application process or anything linked to it.

This will highly likely save you many headaches...

I agree, there are usually plenty of people out there willing to help you with contacting a college coach/assistant, without costs.

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Anon  
Years ago

If you are in SA as you mention, try and get in touch with Joey Wright. He takes keen interest in SA athletes and has many good contacts and certainly doesn't buy in to the "system" as such. AUSA hoops is pretty good, but will take a cut. Andrew Jantke has assisted many young SA men, including Isaac forget his last name, from Sturt who is now at Harvard.

If she was in 16's nationals, there may have been some scouts, but usually they hold off until 18's.

As many have said, focusing on achieving the right results in the right subject and also showing a brilliant work ethic in basketball AND school/community service is crucial.

Definitely don't discount D2/D3 colleges as the experience may not be quite as flashy, but it is still very good and the degree may actually be better.

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Anonymous  
Years ago

How is he at Harvard when Ivy League schools don't offer athletic scholarships?

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Bear  
Years ago

They don't offer scholarships in the traditional manner, however can offer financial aid according to needs.

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Anonymous  
Years ago

Understood.

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Bear  
Years ago

https://www.collegeraptor.com/find-colleges/articles/affordability-college-cost/these-10-expensive-colleges-have-free-tuition-or-full-ride-scholarships-for-middle-class-families/

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Anonymous  
Years ago

Isaac White is at Stanford. Very smart young man with exceptional grades to get in to this school and div 1 basketball. Not easy to do and helped by Mesecke and Janke.

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Anonymous  
Years ago

https://www.highperformancehoopsnetwork.com/

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Anonymous  
Years ago

Janke link above features the story and pathway of successful prospects to div 1 colleges including White, oher men and women. Best source of genuine information for the good of an athlete not an agent with an ulterior motive to make money.

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Anon  
Years ago

Ah yes STANFORD. silly me. anyways, he is there as he had good guidance and killed himself. Your daughter will need to work on her game daily outside of NITP and club, with a conditioning coach and find a mentor soon. Best of luck

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Anonymous  
Years ago

We would recommend Sam Tomlinson. Has been fantastic working with our daughter, and in recent times has been instrumental in getting gils places at schools like Duke. Highly ethical and not out to rip you off or sell you into rubbish programs like some others.

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Anonymous  
Years ago

girls*

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