Trying to get lunch before the game, most places (dim sum, pubs real limch venues) only open at 11... makes getting fed and seated in time really tight. It's truly a horrible game timw for local fans

So maybe it helps cafes and other brunch-friendly places while it hurts bars. Swings and roundabouts.
Last time I checked there were still a shitload of dining options in Perth & Northbridge other than Dim Sum places and pubs (if anything, Perth's problem atm seems to be too many eateries and not enough customers), and most houses still have a pantry and a fridge, so I think society will survive a few lunch time home games.

Luuuc considering all the work the team had done to build the game night experience and integrate it with the city it is a kick in the teeth. Critisicm is important, businesses are not after just survival but long term growth and sustained success. I and im sure many of the thousands attending games enjoyed been able to grab a bite, drink etc before or after, the time makes that more Awkward, its fact, and people should be allowed to make they point without getting shut down and labelled as whingers Abbey bloody time.

Stop being so dramatic Luuuc, pantry and fridge FFS.

Paul, do you cook your own food or something? Wow mate, wow...

For those of us lucky enough to not live in Australia's over-entitled western outpost, 9GO’s broadcast has a bit of bball competition from the WNBL on sbs and the Invictus Games wheelchair bball final on the ABC.

It’s a long way to fridge and pantry for those at home you know.

Too many reviews this season

White with some charity at the stripe. Great D by Smith-Milner gets penalised

Good to see Casper going early

That call against Smith-Milner is just horrendous.

"Paul, do you cook your own food or something? Wow mate, wow..."

Don't be silly Manu, if people did that we'd be able to schedule games at any time during the day.

Cg43 hitting some ridiculous shots with a hand in his face. Perth getting nithing from their offence, less their defence. Lucky its a close gane tbh.

Dan Trist finally got some court time... against the under 7 girls at Mentone Grammar

Corey's in love with Angus Brandt

And so are the refs

Were there a couple back court violations missed on united earlier this quarter? Cg43 seems to have gotten hotter....

Moller jumped straight in the air

You're allowed a cylinder.

Call me a purist but they must allow reasonable D

And wtaf that foul on hooley

Refs stepping up their Wildcats game here

Second half is ref time in Perth

Hopefully they're outside the top 2 like last year

Don't get this charity in any other arena

Hire incredulous that they actually called a foul the other way

What a clinic CG is putting on

He's up there with the great NBL shooters.... Gaze, Heal, Rillie....CG is in the conversation. A pleasure to watch.

This should go down to the wire

It's really hard to know where United is at this season. Jury well and truly out.

Why the foul on CG?

Perth call after Perth call

You cant go under a shooter lv, hooley went under cottoms landing space. Easy call.

Hope CG is ok

Foul count 21 to 11 with plenty of rubbish calls on UTD

United has done a great job of controlling the ball.

White has stepped up. Both teams should make playoffs

United easily could have given away a foul owhe ware hit cotton before the cg injury, terrico hitting the gtound and the final shot...

Worst call ever. Nbl is fucked. Every play is a flop.

That's a terrible call, no way that is a charge on ware - oh dear..... game destroyed.

Norton was still moving sideways while Casper was moving into the air to shoot

Clear blocking foul

5 votes to the refs here

Only my opinion from watching the telecast, but that last second call in OT looked clearly like a block.

Casper got screwed.

That was a shameful call, typical Perth home cooking.

Live i had charge, replay. Glad we got the call

Charge!



(LOL)

Watching phone on delay

Barlow's 5th absolute joke, he was barely even in the play

Beyond disgraceful this game

I'm glad the game was a FTA spectacle.

Personally disappointed Melbourne were robbed of a win though. Shameful call.

Umps killed the 2 ot

Should've been over in regulation. Wildcats lose all their privileges re: moaning about home cooking.

Perth too good in the second OT, but should never have been there. Refs embarrassing themselves. Oh well. Not the first time, won't be the last.

How aylen gets ref of the year is beyond me

27 Free Throws to 12.
28 Fts to 13
But go on, carry on as if your team was the better team.
This league is a FARCE...No wonder TV ratings are embarrassing.

Not sure how Aylen manages to ref anything outside of div 5 social comps to be honest.

And you all wonder why the TV ratings are embarrassing.
The refereeing in this league is embarrassing.

If you were allowed to review charge/block calls, 98% of NBL referees charge/block decisions would be reversed.

Perth gets every 50/50 call, every 60/40 call and every 40/60 call

It has to be an obvious decision to be called in favor of the visiting team.

Not sure exactly where United is at

Kennedy finding his feet and his role still, but didn't have much impact even after CG injury. Still a question mark. McCarron going ok. Seems comfortable enough being the spare parts guy playing multiple positions. Casper sub par so far this season, was good early and late but in between not so much....

White looks legit 2nd option, Perth will definitely make top 4 you'd think. Brandt a beast. But did go 1-1 this round with only the refs handing them the win on a silver platter, should've been 0-2 so... who knows

LOL you people call these referees?
They were nothing more than more Perth Wildcars cheerleaders clearly caught up in the hype of the pink day.

They are not professionals...This is why this league will NEVER take off in this country.

NEVER

As a United fan though, it hurts to lose, but its comforting to know that it took an injury to the game's MVP and some joke calls, and 2 overtimes for your team to be overcome.

I remember early last season Cotton got 6 or 7 points from the free throw line drawing fouls on outside shots, Kicking his feet out and softest calls, United lost a close one. This feels like that but 100x worse.

Looking forward to the rematch in Melbourne- don't get to many games these days, but Monday dec 17 and Sunday feb 17, I'll be there and I'll be loud. Can't wait to watch United win with Gleeson whining like a girl as his team misses out on the extra service they get at home.

For real, f*****g pathetic couple of calls there back-to-back. Casper pushing off Norton for the offensive foul? He did not extend the arm one bit. Terrible call. And let's not even get started on the faux charge. Wasn't the official perfectly placed to call, literally behind Norton's back?

Here it is for interest- 12 months ago

https://basketball.realgm.com/international/boxscore/2017-10-20/Melbourne-at-Perth/271647

Cotton goes 4-12 from the field and 10-11 from the line, United defended him beautifully but the refs kept bailing him out. 27 fouls to 17, Perth wins 89-84.

Just shows- history repeats. Perth always gets the calls over there.

It's psychology, not much can be done, short of giving them noise canceling headphones to drown out the Red Army.

The rest of us who like watching games that aren't ruined by the refs, let's just hope they miss top 2 again.

This will fall on deaf ears, but here goes. Perth gets a one sided fta count and its home cooking, adelaide and its they put more pressure on the defence. United shot 42 3pt attempts, perth attacked the paint more, put more pressure on the defence than united did, jjst like adelaide do, and everyone seems to be fine with that reasoning for Adelaide, so lets see if its a basketball discussion or perth hate forum? I know its the latter. Was the ware charge a block, yep. But lets not pretend there is any consistency or standard interpretation in the nbl for charge/block, there is multiple howlers a game and usually bith ways. However barlow could have got his 5th in the 4th for a hip check, casper easily fouled cotton before the cg43 play and terrico was put down on that take to the basket, even boone held terrico before rhe attempted dunk and foul on moller, i also notice no ome having issue with brandt and jervis getting crushed by multiple defenders. So as usual the refs left a heap to be desired, but perth got a few more breaks so the league is rigged

8v5 at the end there. NBL please educated your refs on the game of basketball. This is a professional basketball league not u12 div c Saturday comp,

It looked like a charge to me live, but I sit on the sideline so it's a poor angle.

Lv do we bring up the beal no call in Melbourne? Or are we only focused on one side of the story??

I remember when Andrew bogut commented on the terrible job the referees were doing and everyone crucified him. Now you read any of these threads and people complaining about the quality of the officiating..... so strange....

The Ware call was pretty clear cut live which is what made it so disgraceful, the replays just made it laughable. Melb had the game wrapped up at the end of the first OT.

As always in Perth you've got to beat the Wildcats and the refs.

Oh no doubt United gets some calls in Melbourne. Home cooking is a regular part of sport. As I said, it's driven by human psychology and there is no real solution for it.

I remember 2 seasons ago, United got questionable late calls in multiple games in quick succession. Another featured Webster and CG.

But, make no mistake, it's worse in Perth than anywhere else- that was illustrated by statistics covering a 5 year period that someone posted on this forum a while ago.

And, also refs in basketball arguably have more influence on the way the game is played than they do in other sports. Like say, AFL or NRL.

So, combine those two points 1. This is basketball and 2. It's particularly bad in Perth and you come to the conclusion that the Wildcats get more assistance than other professional sporting teams.

They also happen to be incredibly successful and well run, so this also means people dislike them (tall poppy syndrome). Combine that and the ref thing, and it's easy to understand why so many people hate them!

Not many comments on Kennedy's obvious foul on the White drive in the last minute of regulation, nor Barlow initiating contact on Cotton on the last play of regulation.

Norton's two charge calls were both blocks - unbelievable they could be called charges, especially by Allen - but I don't buy that Melbourne were robbed, Perth should have had the chance to put it away before overtime.

"United shot 42 3pt attempts, perth attacked the paint more"

Fair point J re the foul count, Melbourne were passing up driving opportunities to jack from outside, it was a clear strategy of theirs.

LV...your outrage amuses me greatly. United of all teams enjoy better treatment at home. Remember Prather's headbutt on Sobey? Yet Sobey got ejected for the same thing.

How soon you forget.

In fact everyone seems to be carrying on like their own teams don't get calls at home.

Hahahahahaha

It just gets better and better. Not only an awesome win, but get to laugh at all the butt-hurt Melbourne fans.

No team in the history of NBL has been given more help by officials than Melbourne United.
So much so that their fans have become delusional. You think every call should go your way, and when it doesn't you assume the refs must be wrong.

Maybe the home-cooking smorgasbord you get in Melbourne has made your players careless, because they they were sloppy today. I lost count of how many fouls Pledger and Boone got away with under the basket.

As for the charge call, that was completely, 100%, CONSISTENT with the calls they have been making this season.
If you don't believe me, go back and review some games.

The rules changed some time back, the defending player is allowed to move.
"The defensive player may remain stationary, jump vertically, move laterally or backwards in order to maintain the initial legal guarding position. "

Now I personally think they are giving charge calls a little too easily, but they have done that in very game.

Not everything is a giant conspiracy against Melbourne

Honest question, were the refs allowed to check the video on the Ware charge???

AD, shut up.

And for what its worth, I think Melbourne deserved to win (if there is such a thing) they played better all game, and Perth had no answer to CG. Had he not been injured, I doubt it would have even gone to OT.

But in a close game, things didn't fall your way, it's Basketball, get over it.

Hoops doesn't seem to have great history archiving (it only gives a list of my last 100 posts).

Anyone know where that post with 5 years of history is at?

Fwiw I don't like the first call on Ware for the push off while he was dribbling. Norton was still moving and Ware didn't extend the arm at all. To me, reward the offensive player, give them the benefit in that situation

But I do think it's probably a fair call given how they interpret it these days. Hence I didn't complain on here in real time

The second one though, clearly incorrect. Norton was still moving sideways after Casper had moved into the shooting motion. Bad call, and it cost United the game- along with all the other soft fouls and 50/50 calls that went against them.

Interestingly, at the game i would have told you cg was killing us from deep, boxscore 5/15, not that great. That 2pfg though was like 90% scorching.

"The defensive player may remain stationary, jump vertically, move laterally or backwards in order to maintain the initial legal guarding position. "

Norton didn't have an initial legal guarding position adjacent to Ware. I do agree though, that call is consistent with how charges have been called in the NBL forever and a day - defender falls backwards, call a charge.

Mal Cooper made some progress on that the first year he was in charge, as did Scott Butler early in his tenure, but it just keeps slipping back to the bad old ways. Maybe one reason for that is experienced refs like Aylen and Mayberry keep calling it that way?

Goulding and Ware went something like 8/27. It was an interesting strategy to try and bomb Perth out of their own home, not sure it's a great one. Maybe they think there's no point driving because you won't get calls!

The rules changed some time back, the defending player is allowed to move.
"The defensive player may remain stationary, jump vertically, move laterally or backwards in order to maintain the initial legal guarding position. "

Yes, as I said on here last week, United need CG and Casper making big plays. Their fortunes will rise and fall with those two, as they have since 16-17 but they may be more vital than last season.

It's still early days, so I'm not jumping to conclusions. But at this point, the loss of Wesley and Prather is really hurting on the offensive end.

Boone seems to regularly look proppy. Commentators suggested achilles/calf problem. Had hammy pre season.

Things could really go either way for United this season. The pressure isn't intense because the tally is 2-2, but they could very easily be 0-4.

Time will tell. Really hoping Kennedy gives me more reason for optimism on Monday night. He may.

It was Casper and CG's best game this season I thought. Both of them.

If CG's out Monday, real opportunity for Kennedy. Hopefully he shows something.

Lets not ignore the 65 boards and 26 o boards compared to, 51 and 19, these extra possessions and o boards often result in fouls because the defence is out of position. Perth and united both got and didn't get some calls, but to say casper won it and it was all on the refs is a touch comical. Ref bash for sure, be a little one eyed, we all are, but acknowledge where your team also fell short. United chucked, and it didn't pay off. Kennedy, mccaron and barlow were deplorable from the field. Also United's bigs were very avg defending the pick and roll giving up multiple cheap fouls helping perth get to the bonus. Take solitude you were in the game when you were far from your best bit like perth in brisbane Thursday.

1.4 seconds to go, if basket counts, United wins. Ref stopped the score.

Universally recognized as the wrong call.

Sure there are many calls and missed calls in a game, but don't pretend they're all equal.

United was the better team. Deserved to win.

Yes- plenty to work on though. Jury is still out. We're in the 3rd week of a 4 month season then playoffs.

O boards indeed a problem in 3 of the 4 games.

Signs aren't great for United but it's early days.

It appears to be Wildcats policy not to show replays of injuries, Perth fouls, or away scores.

PS J you asked so I will bite one final time on the ref issue

27 fouls to 12. Yes, united jacked 13 more 3 pt attempts than Perth.

But- this is off the top of my head (and I didn't even see whole game- missed a few minutes late 1st qtr while I put my kid to bed for a nap. Haven't seen replay either)

Smith Milner on White, straight up at the hoop, Moller foul on Cotton driving n the lane, Hooley on Cotton shooting on the perimeter, CG in the post vs Brandt, Caspers 2nd charge with 1.4 sec left in OT, Barlow's 5th in the rebounding contest in 2nd OT (after he'd recently hit a pair of threes).

There's 6 very dodgy calls on United. Off the top of my head.

As has been discussed here, Caspers push off 28 sec left in OT was 50/50... went to Norton.

Brandt jumps out and screens Casper, 50/50...goes against Casper.

All these calls against United. Lots of bad ones, lots of 50/50 ones.

And Perth only got called for 12 fouls in 50 minutes of basketball.

Do you think, if the refs were consistent, and making those same calls on Perth, that perhaps Perth may have been called for more than 12 fouls in a full game and two OT's?

As I said though, human psychology is the issue. There's no grand conspiracy. It is what it is.

Just don't pretend the result of the game is fair and reasonable.

United should focus on themselves though and what they can be doing better- of course. No doubt.

LV, Perth missed out on two calls in the last minute of regulation that would have put them to the line. Kennedy's block on White was as obvious as it gets. Get those calls and OT doesn't happen.

Melbourne defended well but couldn't pull in enough boards, offensively there was too much one-on-one and too many long bombs. Yes, they will be right around the mix, but some of the same issues keep popping up at the moment that are costing them. They need to fix those, that's much more important than bad calls that go both ways.

As the great Vin Diesel said.
"Winning is winning. Doesn't matter if you win by an inch or win charge call in the last couple of seconds"

Bitch all you like at the end of the day one team won and the other lost. You cant change that.

Good game by both teams.

Totally agree Paul.

Plenty of issues. Right now they're a long way off the team that played so well over the 2nd half of season and the playoffs.

Lv i thought you weren't doing the analyse every call in the game thing? Hooley went under the shooter, just like cotton went under ware on his pull up 2, so its a foul or it is not, im pretty happy with both calls. Frankly there is nothing to be gained with this all the missed fouls,discussion, but watch the nbl highlights and tell me barlow didn't move forwards into cotton with arms not straight up on the final play in regulation. See the rabbit hole we are diving into? Nothing to be gained here!!!! If united were the better team then 3 of their starters would have shot better than 30% and they may not have got smashed on the boards. Get over the calls, i mean united just won a game on a missed back court call!

it was along time ago when i played and refs wouldnt let me steal the ball from behind ...not sure why .... i saw cotton do it and all ok ...

No, that one wasn't a foul on Barlow. Leaned forward slightly but remained in the cylinder.

Anyway, it is what it is. Games like this do happen. The Boomers missed a Bronze medal due to reffing. This is just basketball.

I'm definitely more concerned with a bunch of issues- not least of all working out exactly how Kennedy fits into this group and what he brings to the table. He doesn't look like a guy with his reputation should....

Melbourne missing the "grown man" this season for sure.
We are all a little one eyed when we watch a game. I was there live and I was thinking that Melbourne were getting all the 50/50 calls... which I am sure when I watch the replay it will be pretty even with a few dodgey calls either way.

Anyway, enough negative talk about this game, what a classic. Hopefully these two teams meet in the playoffs because that was something else today and both will get better.

Well said paul

Good call. Classic game.

It's been exciting watching United start with 4 close games with 6 overtimes!

These teams often go down to the wire- the rivalry could go next level if that continues in a playoff series!

Classic game and great advertisment for the league being live on FTA. A really great rivaalry is here between Perth and Melbourne.

Congrats LV and Cram! And yep, we're getting old!

Moving whilst playing defence to get the charge was the 1980 or 1984 rule book.

Slomo, you could say a block however go back to the principle of good officiating.

Norton did nothing wrong. If Aylen was watching Norton, he would have seen good foot work, legal defence and then impact. No need for ware to make contact with Norton on the play at all.

Right call, regardless if incorrect call.

Crowds definitely down. I suspect that where these games will hurt this season is the casual sales.
The cats put advertising on the seats that are available for memberships, aimed at people that buy those tickets casually. Looking around even mid game, could still see a lot of those seats unoccupied.

I sit at the other end, so didn't see the "charge" or Gouldings injury.
Problem is that whenever there is a close game, decided by a basket, or OT, its easy to point to the worst call and say "we was robbed". It happens

I saw, or thought I saw, some really bizarre calls and non-calls. At some point I have to trust that the Refs are closer, more familiar with the current interpretations, and (hopefully) have better eyesight.

I was disappointed that we basically allowed Goulding to tear us a new one. Surely when you have the best perimeter defender in the league, the solution should be obvious?

Not sure what's going on with Jervis? He seems to give away a few easy fouls early, and then loses his bottle and stops chasing the boards. I love the guy but he seems to be struggling.

I am pissed that after two solid games they put me on the bench for the Brisbane game and now Melbourne. I am not in a good space as I didn't come back to Perth to play limited minutes off the bench.

Melbourne missing the "grown man" this season for sure.
We are all a little one eyed when we watch a game. I was there live and I was thinking that Melbourne were getting all the 50/50 calls... which I am sure when I watch the replay it will be pretty even with a few dodgey calls either way.

"Norton did nothing wrong. If Aylen was watching Norton, he would have seen good foot work, legal defence and then impact."

If Aylen was watching Norton he would have seen he did not get legal defensive position in front of Ware before he elevated (and wasn't even close). Horror call from an experienced official and symptomatic of the charge/block issues we've long had in this country.

^ It sure does seem that way at times, yeah

Luuuc considering all the work the team had done to build the game night experience and integrate it with the city it is a kick in the teeth. Critisicm is important, businesses are not after just survival but long term growth and sustained success. I and im sure many of the thousands attending games enjoyed been able to grab a bite, drink etc before or after, the time makes that more Awkward, its fact, and people should be allowed to make they point without getting shut down and labelled as whingers Abbey bloody time.

Can you move in while the player is in the air though? That is the q i would be asking if i am ware and what you said is accurate.

Luuuc it may be a "precious" attitude but it's also a prevailing attitude of sports teams and local businesses trying to integrate the game experience with a night/day out and frankly its better for the local economy if it does. East vic parks strip of restaurants always have meal deals and transport for every optus stadium event. For some people when you're out you like to make a day of it, the time genuinely makes that difficult, its not an ideal situation and that should be acknowledged without people reverting to "make a sandwich" let's not take my original comment out of context.

Nothing wrong with making a day of it, J. I do that too. But IMO there are a heap of great eating options around Perth & Northbridge that are open before 11am on the weekend.
But if you absolutely must have a chicken parmy or pork buns at 10:30am and anything else is a truly horrible proposition then that still feels kinda precious to me.
I don't see why Perth Arena should benefit the local economy of pubs in the area but not cafes, for example.

Shame to see more red than pink yesterday.

"Correct Defensive Position can be established instantaneously, not withstanding that the player is in effect moving. All you need is to face your opponent and have both feet touching the floor."

You need to establish a legal defensive position adjacent to the offensive player before he leaves the ground. Watch the replay, Norton at no stage had his feet on the floor with legal adjacent position. He jumped sideways in front of Ware after he had left the ground.

Now if you want to quote Homicide Williams, he said "Let me take me that back, that's a block" after he watched the replay. Even by Australian standards, where charge/block has traditionally been called in favour of the defence, that was a block.

Clearly flogging a dead horse here. Now at no point did i say i don't have the capacity to feed myself and adjust to the time, i did, went to brunch for those playing at home. Will likely eat at home next week. There is a heap of new places around Yagan square that i would like to try, they aren't really an option at this game time, and for myself and i am sure others that don't frequent the city often, we are in the city for games and it does detract from the whole experience in my opinion. Can't understand why so many people can't acknowledge a simple fact without carrying on about all the less than desirable alternatives available, i guess none of you ever get disappointed and are always happy when you don't get your way. Good on you all!

Thanks for the name calling.

I'm not really of pedigree, but I have been fortunate to see a lot of high-level basketball around the world close up, and what is noticeable is the charge/block is called by the rules, putting onus on defenders to establish position.

This means players have to actually move their feet and hold their ground, or if beaten open their stance rather than lunging sideways in front of the ball carrier.

For whatever reason, in this country we just have never been able to call it like most of the rest of the basketball, instead regularly rewarding defenders who lunge backwards upon contact. Funnily enough, you don't see nearly as much of that in other comps around the world because you don't get the call.

Vaughan Mayberry's call today on Johnson when Wesley simply took a dive highlights the issue we have. Our experienced refs were developed with an incorrect approach to charge/block, now they're passing that onto the young refs coming through.

Overall the way games are being called at the moment is allowing for attractive basketball, but the charge/block and blocked shot situations are significant areas of weakness and have been for a long time.

Noon start is annoying, simples as that.
They still get 10,000 to a game, so its not the end of the world. Doesn't mean we have to like it.

Cheers Paul.

Can someone tell me why the NBL choose to favour Perth? So many people seem to think this is the case so I am curious as to why they think it happens and how it helps the league?

(I for one dont think its the case, but would love to hear honest posts as to why they believe so)

IMO its simple, home teams get home cooking. Happens in every stadium...

Well said Anon. I agree.

"I copped an elbow and when I wiped my mouth, there was a bit of my tooth there. It was in pieces," Norton said.
“Once I got it all out of there and the blood was gone, I was able to focus back on the game.
“It's chipped downwards which is strange but it’s a small price to pay to get the win.

Charge on Ware was officially an incorrect call according to the NBL referee review:
LINK

(Several other calls also analysed on that page)

Firstly, not sure why Wildcats' fans would be upset by this? We WON the game. It will be the Melbourne fans like LV suffering brain explosions.

It's interesting that they have chosen to focus on these charge calls, does that signal a change?
My point (way) above was that this was consistent with what they have been calling, they have been throwing out charge calls like confetti this season.

My only other comment was directed at the constant "he was moving, he was moving" complaints. Which, even according to the review, isn't the issue.

And for all that, it IS still just one call. Had either team got another call their way, the game wouldn't have gone into overtime.

No brain explosions necessary- I was pretty pissed on the night

The review just confirms what absolutely anybody with the faintest clue about basketball already knew- the replays unequivocally confirmed that it should've been a blocking foul

But, to be fair, these things are much harder to judge in real time. The NBL review clearly explained all the factors- and yes, I admit it's not easy to get the perfect view and then weigh all of those factors in a split second.

To be honest I didn't notice

But if you watch the replay, no one noticed. Not Joey Wright, not the commentators, and not the Adelaide players. Daniel Johnson half heartedly pointed at Ware- but didn't then say anything to the refs

We'd all have to agree on 4 things

1. The missed call was wrong

2. This is one of the most bizarre events On a basketball court. Wrong missed call at the death but no one realised

3. Unlikely Adelaide would've scored a 3 with 4 seconds to go- if they'd got the ball like they should've. Possible, but maybe a 20% chance at best. Then OT even if they hit. So Adelaide would've had at most a 10% chance of winning if the correct call was made.

4. Not really comparable to Casper in Perth where, if the correct call had been made, all other things being equal, there would be a 90% chance United wins (Conservatively). With Casper on the line with 1.4secs left and shooting one FT for a 3 point lead. Perth could've had the ball in the back court, 2 down, 1.4 secs left. Or if they had a time out remaining, would've been 3 down with an inbounds in their own half with 1.4 secs left.

Definitely comparable, except the Melbourne cross-court one was worse and robbed Adelaide of any chance of winning.

Adelaide was robbed- I agree.

They were robbed of a 10% chance of winning.

United was robbed of a 90%+ chance of winning and instead thrust into a 50/50 OT scenario.

(After being robbed all game).

In other words Paul, that's a funny definition of "comparable" that you're using.

By comparable I mean you can compare them because they were both bad calls. The thing that's not comparable is the call in Melbourne's favour was more obviously incorrect and guaranteed Melbourne a win. The call against Melbourne still left them with a 50:50 chance to win.

The call in Melbourne's favour guaranteed them a win when they were at least 90% certain of winning anyway.

Agree the backcourt violation was more obvious. Can't believe everyone missed it.

The call in Melbourne's favour guaranteed them a win when they were at least 90% certain of winning anyway.

Agree the backcourt violation was more obvious. Can't believe everyone missed it.

You keep repeating that 90% number like it means anything.

90% is conservative.


No way Adelaide is a greater than 10% chance of scoring 3 points within 4 seconds (at the conclusion of a scrappy, very low scoring game) and then winning in OT.

That would be a plausible argument if they had no inbound plays designed to get a three, and/or no good three-point shooters.

They've got plenty of good 3 point shooters.

But the chance of nailing a 3 under pressure - when the other team is a very strong defensive team and knows you're trying to hit a 3- and needing to do it within 4 seconds, is not over 20%.

Especially not when they were 3 from 13 from outside for the game.

3/13 is already higher than 20%.

Yeah, and plenty of those 13 would've been wide open, when the opponent was defending the drive and left the perimeter open.

I get the impression you haven't watched as much basketball as you make out

The average three point percentage is something like 34%, and that includes all the wide open ones where a double team leads to an open player

In scenarios where a team is down by 3 with under 5 seconds to go with a sideline possession, the percentage is much lower. I'd be very, very surprised if it's over 20%.

I'd be interested if anyone has any stats on this.

Thanks anon- exactly the odds you'd expect

"But, to be fair, these things are much harder to judge in real time. The NBL review clearly explained all the factors- and yes, I admit it's not easy to get the perfect view and then weigh all of those factors in a split second."

Wow, that's about the most sensible thing anyone has written in this thread.

It was a somewhat weird scenario, in that you needed to see the baseline ("lateral"?) view to see that it was wrong. Norton did establish a defensive position, but he wasn't facing Ware, so not in fact a Defensive Position, prior to him moving.