Hogwash
Last year

Perth v Melb Oct 27th

Another midday game in the West.
Should be a good clash for two of the more fancied teams in the comp.
The first of two games for Melbourne this round while Perth have to bounce back quickly after a loss in Brisbane.

Who gets the win?

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Anonymous  
Last year

Melbourne won't be a chance if Casper doesn’t find some form, Goulding defence got get back to last season as well. Perth will want to show the Brisbane loss was an aberration. Perth by 10 though i haven’t picked a winner yet this round.

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J  
Last year

Trying to get lunch before the game, most places (dim sum, pubs real limch venues) only open at 11... makes getting fed and seated in time really tight. It's truly a horrible game timw for local fans

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Anonymous  
Last year

I reckon local businesses will be pretty effected by what I'm assuming is a lack of people going out before/after the 12pm games, just a bit of an awkward time slot for a lot of people.

I also wonder what impact it has on profits around food/alcohol sales at the game. I feel like people will be a lot less likely to drink at the game at that time compared to an evening or late arvo game.

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Luuuc  
Last year

So maybe it helps cafes and other brunch-friendly places while it hurts bars. Swings and roundabouts.
Last time I checked there were still a shitload of dining options in Perth & Northbridge other than Dim Sum places and pubs (if anything, Perth's problem atm seems to be too many eateries and not enough customers), and most houses still have a pantry and a fridge, so I think society will survive a few lunch time home games.

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Anonymous  
Last year

J, would you like me to give you a recipe for a sandwich?

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J  
Last year

Luuuc considering all the work the team had done to build the game night experience and integrate it with the city it is a kick in the teeth. Critisicm is important, businesses are not after just survival but long term growth and sustained success. I and im sure many of the thousands attending games enjoyed been able to grab a bite, drink etc before or after, the time makes that more Awkward, its fact, and people should be allowed to make they point without getting shut down and labelled as whingers Abbey bloody time.

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paul  
Last year

Stop being so dramatic Luuuc, pantry and fridge FFS.

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Manu Fieldel  
Last year

Paul, do you cook your own food or something? Wow mate, wow...

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Anonymous  
Last year

GF prelude

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UseTaHoop  
Last year

For those of us lucky enough to not live in Australia's over-entitled western outpost, 9GO’s broadcast has a bit of bball competition from the WNBL on sbs and the Invictus Games wheelchair bball final on the ABC.

It’s a long way to fridge and pantry for those at home you know.

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Anonymous  
Last year

"Australia's over-entitled western outpost"

This. So so accurate.

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Manu Fieldel  
Last year

Too many reviews this season

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Anonymous  
Last year

where's Boone?

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LV  
Last year

White with some charity at the stripe. Great D by Smith-Milner gets penalised

Good to see Casper going early

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Spot Up  
Last year

That call against Smith-Milner is just horrendous.

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paul  
Last year

"Paul, do you cook your own food or something? Wow mate, wow..."

Don't be silly Manu, if people did that we'd be able to schedule games at any time during the day.

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J  
Last year

Cg43 hitting some ridiculous shots with a hand in his face. Perth getting nithing from their offence, less their defence. Lucky its a close gane tbh.

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LV  
Last year

Dan Trist finally got some court time... against the under 7 girls at Mentone Grammar

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LV  
Last year

Corey's in love with Angus Brandt

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LV  
Last year

And so are the refs

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J  
Last year

Were there a couple back court violations missed on united earlier this quarter? Cg43 seems to have gotten hotter....

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LV  
Last year

Moller jumped straight in the air

You're allowed a cylinder.

Call me a purist but they must allow reasonable D

And wtaf that foul on hooley

Refs stepping up their Wildcats game here

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LV  
Last year

Second half is ref time in Perth

Hopefully they're outside the top 2 like last year

Don't get this charity in any other arena

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LV  
Last year

Hire incredulous that they actually called a foul the other way

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LV  
Last year

What a clinic CG is putting on

He's up there with the great NBL shooters.... Gaze, Heal, Rillie....CG is in the conversation. A pleasure to watch.

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LV  
Last year

This should go down to the wire

It's really hard to know where United is at this season. Jury well and truly out.

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LV  
Last year

Why the foul on CG?

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Shayno  
Last year

Perth call after Perth call

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Anonymous  
Last year

that wasn't a travel

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J  
Last year

You cant go under a shooter lv, hooley went under cottoms landing space. Easy call.

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LV  
Last year

Hope CG is ok

Foul count 21 to 11 with plenty of rubbish calls on UTD

United has done a great job of controlling the ball.

White has stepped up. Both teams should make playoffs

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J  
Last year

United easily could have given away a foul owhe ware hit cotton before the cg injury, terrico hitting the gtound and the final shot...

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Anon  
Last year

Worst call ever. Nbl is fucked. Every play is a flop.

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Uncle Phil  
Last year

That's a terrible call, no way that is a charge on ware - oh dear..... game destroyed.

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LV  
Last year

Norton was still moving sideways while Casper was moving into the air to shoot

Clear blocking foul

5 votes to the refs here



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Anonymous  
Last year

Casper makes the game winner, no its a charge, smh

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Anonymous  
Last year

Joke call

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Ben  
Last year

Only my opinion from watching the telecast, but that last second call in OT looked clearly like a block.

Casper got screwed.

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Zodiac  
Last year

That was a shameful call, typical Perth home cooking.

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J  
Last year

Live i had charge, replay. Glad we got the call

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Luuuc  
Last year

Charge!



(LOL)

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LV  
Last year

Watching phone on delay

Barlow's 5th absolute joke, he was barely even in the play

Beyond disgraceful this game

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Anonymous  
Last year

White shouldn't have gone to the line either, clearly grabbed the shoulder and pushed off and still got the foul.

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Ben  
Last year

I'm glad the game was a FTA spectacle.

Personally disappointed Melbourne were robbed of a win though. Shameful call.

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Shayno  
Last year

Umps killed the 2 ot

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AngusH  
Last year

Should've been over in regulation. Wildcats lose all their privileges re: moaning about home cooking.

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Spot Up  
Last year

Perth too good in the second OT, but should never have been there. Refs embarrassing themselves. Oh well. Not the first time, won't be the last.

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Anon  
Last year

How aylen gets ref of the year is beyond me

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Anonymous  
Last year

I can't wait to see the nbl’s comments on calls from this game. Melbourne were robbed.

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Anonymous  
Last year

27-12 foul count. No calls for Melbourne were a foul for Perth every time. Melbourne lost to the refs

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27 Free Throws to 12.
28 Fts to 13
But go on, carry on as if your team was the better team.
This league is a FARCE...No wonder TV ratings are embarrassing.

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AngusH  
Last year

Not sure how Aylen manages to ref anything outside of div 5 social comps to be honest.

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Anonymous  
Last year

NBL continues to descend into an utter joke. Something needs to be done. I'm hardcore NBL fan for decades and about to give up on it.

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And you all wonder why the TV ratings are embarrassing.
The refereeing in this league is embarrassing.

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Anonymous  
Last year

Is Vickerman able to review that charge call on Casper??

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Anonymous  
Last year

"I'm glad the game was a FTA spectacle."

That no one watched as the Cox Plate was running on Ch7 exactly during the OT period. Such an awful timeslot, and relegated to Fox Sports News on Foxtel. LMAO

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AngusH  
Last year

If you were allowed to review charge/block calls, 98% of NBL referees charge/block decisions would be reversed.

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LV  
Last year

Perth gets every 50/50 call, every 60/40 call and every 40/60 call

It has to be an obvious decision to be called in favor of the visiting team.

Not sure exactly where United is at

Kennedy finding his feet and his role still, but didn't have much impact even after CG injury. Still a question mark. McCarron going ok. Seems comfortable enough being the spare parts guy playing multiple positions. Casper sub par so far this season, was good early and late but in between not so much....

White looks legit 2nd option, Perth will definitely make top 4 you'd think. Brandt a beast. But did go 1-1 this round with only the refs handing them the win on a silver platter, should've been 0-2 so... who knows

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LOL you people call these referees?
They were nothing more than more Perth Wildcars cheerleaders clearly caught up in the hype of the pink day.

They are not professionals...This is why this league will NEVER take off in this country.

NEVER

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Anonymous  
Last year

Hey, I play div 5 social and the teenagers would do a better job at reffing.

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Anonymous  
Last year

Deluded 'Cats fans to defend the refs in 5, 4, 3, 2, 1...

Brace yourselves for the stupidity!

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LV  
Last year

As a United fan though, it hurts to lose, but its comforting to know that it took an injury to the game's MVP and some joke calls, and 2 overtimes for your team to be overcome.

I remember early last season Cotton got 6 or 7 points from the free throw line drawing fouls on outside shots, Kicking his feet out and softest calls, United lost a close one. This feels like that but 100x worse.

Looking forward to the rematch in Melbourne- don't get to many games these days, but Monday dec 17 and Sunday feb 17, I'll be there and I'll be loud. Can't wait to watch United win with Gleeson whining like a girl as his team misses out on the extra service they get at home.

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Manu Fieldel  
Last year

For real, f*****g pathetic couple of calls there back-to-back. Casper pushing off Norton for the offensive foul? He did not extend the arm one bit. Terrible call. And let's not even get started on the faux charge. Wasn't the official perfectly placed to call, literally behind Norton's back?

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Anonymous  
Last year

So do the refs instigate the reviews in the last 2 mins of the game or can the coaches encourage them to review it?

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LV  
Last year

Here it is for interest- 12 months ago

https://basketball.realgm.com/international/boxscore/2017-10-20/Melbourne-at-Perth/271647

Cotton goes 4-12 from the field and 10-11 from the line, United defended him beautifully but the refs kept bailing him out. 27 fouls to 17, Perth wins 89-84.

Just shows- history repeats. Perth always gets the calls over there.

It's psychology, not much can be done, short of giving them noise canceling headphones to drown out the Red Army.

The rest of us who like watching games that aren't ruined by the refs, let's just hope they miss top 2 again.

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Anonymous  
Last year

Wildcats fan here. That was a block no doubt. Enjoy keyboard warriors.

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J  
Last year

This will fall on deaf ears, but here goes. Perth gets a one sided fta count and its home cooking, adelaide and its they put more pressure on the defence. United shot 42 3pt attempts, perth attacked the paint more, put more pressure on the defence than united did, jjst like adelaide do, and everyone seems to be fine with that reasoning for Adelaide, so lets see if its a basketball discussion or perth hate forum? I know its the latter. Was the ware charge a block, yep. But lets not pretend there is any consistency or standard interpretation in the nbl for charge/block, there is multiple howlers a game and usually bith ways. However barlow could have got his 5th in the 4th for a hip check, casper easily fouled cotton before the cg43 play and terrico was put down on that take to the basket, even boone held terrico before rhe attempted dunk and foul on moller, i also notice no ome having issue with brandt and jervis getting crushed by multiple defenders. So as usual the refs left a heap to be desired, but perth got a few more breaks so the league is rigged

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Anonymous  
Last year

Lol if it weren't some fluke ass shooting by Melbourne the game wouldn’t even be close. Melbourne played as well as they can they still lost. As for Goulding well the United were down by 4 when he got injured so no it wasn’t a factor

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Benno  
Last year

8v5 at the end there. NBL please educated your refs on the game of basketball. This is a professional basketball league not u12 div c Saturday comp,

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koberulz  
Last year

It looked like a charge to me live, but I sit on the sideline so it's a poor angle.

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J  
Last year

Lv do we bring up the beal no call in Melbourne? Or are we only focused on one side of the story??

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Johnt15  
Last year

I remember when Andrew bogut commented on the terrible job the referees were doing and everyone crucified him. Now you read any of these threads and people complaining about the quality of the officiating..... so strange....

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Anonymous  
Last year

Been around basketball for a long time. Those 2 charges were BS.

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Zodiac  
Last year

The Ware call was pretty clear cut live which is what made it so disgraceful, the replays just made it laughable. Melb had the game wrapped up at the end of the first OT.

As always in Perth you've got to beat the Wildcats and the refs.

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LV  
Last year

Oh no doubt United gets some calls in Melbourne. Home cooking is a regular part of sport. As I said, it's driven by human psychology and there is no real solution for it.

I remember 2 seasons ago, United got questionable late calls in multiple games in quick succession. Another featured Webster and CG.

But, make no mistake, it's worse in Perth than anywhere else- that was illustrated by statistics covering a 5 year period that someone posted on this forum a while ago.

And, also refs in basketball arguably have more influence on the way the game is played than they do in other sports. Like say, AFL or NRL.

So, combine those two points 1. This is basketball and 2. It's particularly bad in Perth and you come to the conclusion that the Wildcats get more assistance than other professional sporting teams.

They also happen to be incredibly successful and well run, so this also means people dislike them (tall poppy syndrome). Combine that and the ref thing, and it's easy to understand why so many people hate them!

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Anonymous  
Last year

Don't follow either team and watched it on delay, great game till the refs ruined it, I love the nbl at present but I’ll walk away if these sort decisions keep getting made. The cameras were on Gleeson who I respect as a coach but he never stopped whining in the refs ear from about a foot away. The nbl have to stop this or it’s going nowhere. Those three refs should be stood down for a month. A charge at one end was a block at the other.

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Anonymous  
Last year

Perth fans dare mention the refs and they all get howled down. But non Perth fans talk about calls that were 50/50 and we're all supposed to be cool with that.

BTW Melbourne won last week after the most obvious missed call in recent history so maybe they aren't really in a position to complain

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paul  
Last year

Not many comments on Kennedy's obvious foul on the White drive in the last minute of regulation, nor Barlow initiating contact on Cotton on the last play of regulation.

Norton's two charge calls were both blocks - unbelievable they could be called charges, especially by Allen - but I don't buy that Melbourne were robbed, Perth should have had the chance to put it away before overtime.

"United shot 42 3pt attempts, perth attacked the paint more"

Fair point J re the foul count, Melbourne were passing up driving opportunities to jack from outside, it was a clear strategy of theirs.

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Anonymous  
Last year

@J - well said mate

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Lovebroker  
Last year

LV...your outrage amuses me greatly. United of all teams enjoy better treatment at home. Remember Prather's headbutt on Sobey? Yet Sobey got ejected for the same thing.

How soon you forget.

In fact everyone seems to be carrying on like their own teams don't get calls at home.

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Anonymous  
Last year

I really hope no Adelaide fan whinges about the foul count considering the contrast between the way Melbourne and Perth played today.

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Anonymous  
Last year

"statistics covering a 5 year period that someone posted on this forum a while ago."

I believe that post covered something that happened five years ago, not a five year trend. Get your hand of it LV.

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Anonymous  
Last year

I think reffing being one sided is being a bit over blown, some shit calls both ways really, but far from being one sided. There isn't some "The refs love Perth" thing, NBL refs are just always pretty average lol. United didn't attack the ring much so there was always going to be a bit of a discrepancy in the foul count. Live they both looked like a charge to me, replay they look more 50/50 but I still think the charge was there.

Was great to see Norton step up in OT, felt like a bit of changing of the guard with him doing things that we would normally have to rely on Damo for. The Wildcats future at the PG position looks solid if Damo decides to retire this season.

Side note, the lack of replays at the stadium during the game was really annoying, felt like they didn't show a lot of replays today.

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Anonymous  
Last year

Aylen got it wrong. Simple as that.
Mlelbourne should of won in 1st OT

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Anonymous  
Last year

Correct me if I'm wrong but White had 10 points with six and a half minutes to go, piled on ten points in the next two and a half minutes, and finished with 28. That's massive in the clutch.

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AD  
Last year

Hahahahahaha

It just gets better and better. Not only an awesome win, but get to laugh at all the butt-hurt Melbourne fans.

No team in the history of NBL has been given more help by officials than Melbourne United.
So much so that their fans have become delusional. You think every call should go your way, and when it doesn't you assume the refs must be wrong.

Maybe the home-cooking smorgasbord you get in Melbourne has made your players careless, because they they were sloppy today. I lost count of how many fouls Pledger and Boone got away with under the basket.

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Anonymous  
Last year

Honest question, were the refs allowed to check the video on the Ware charge???

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Anonymous  
Last year

I would just like to remind the United fans who feel the refs are against them, about the backcourt no call last week against Adelaide

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Anonymous  
Last year

No the Ware charge is not reviewable.

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AD  
Last year

As for the charge call, that was completely, 100%, CONSISTENT with the calls they have been making this season.
If you don't believe me, go back and review some games.

The rules changed some time back, the defending player is allowed to move.
"The defensive player may remain stationary, jump vertically, move laterally or backwards in order to maintain the initial legal guarding position. "

Now I personally think they are giving charge calls a little too easily, but they have done that in very game.

Not everything is a giant conspiracy against Melbourne

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koberulz  
Last year

Honest question, were the refs allowed to check the video on the Ware charge???
Fouls aren't reviewable, even if they occur in a situation that is reviewable (ie when reviewing an out-of-bounds call, if they see the ball went out of bounds due to a foul rather than a clean strip, they can't call the foul).

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koberulz  
Last year

AD, shut up.

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AD  
Last year

And for what its worth, I think Melbourne deserved to win (if there is such a thing) they played better all game, and Perth had no answer to CG. Had he not been injured, I doubt it would have even gone to OT.

But in a close game, things didn't fall your way, it's Basketball, get over it.

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Anonymous  
Last year

Ref's can't change a foul call on replay as far as I know. The review was only to check what time was left.

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LV  
Last year

Hoops doesn't seem to have great history archiving (it only gives a list of my last 100 posts).

Anyone know where that post with 5 years of history is at?

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LV  
Last year

Fwiw I don't like the first call on Ware for the push off while he was dribbling. Norton was still moving and Ware didn't extend the arm at all. To me, reward the offensive player, give them the benefit in that situation

But I do think it's probably a fair call given how they interpret it these days. Hence I didn't complain on here in real time

The second one though, clearly incorrect. Norton was still moving sideways after Casper had moved into the shooting motion. Bad call, and it cost United the game- along with all the other soft fouls and 50/50 calls that went against them.

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Anonymous  
Last year

Why was everyone saying the first Ware/Norton charge was a clear block. Even homicide said they got the call correct. Ware looked like he pushed off with his arm

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J  
Last year

Interestingly, at the game i would have told you cg was killing us from deep, boxscore 5/15, not that great. That 2pfg though was like 90% scorching.

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paul  
Last year

"The defensive player may remain stationary, jump vertically, move laterally or backwards in order to maintain the initial legal guarding position. "

Norton didn't have an initial legal guarding position adjacent to Ware. I do agree though, that call is consistent with how charges have been called in the NBL forever and a day - defender falls backwards, call a charge.

Mal Cooper made some progress on that the first year he was in charge, as did Scott Butler early in his tenure, but it just keeps slipping back to the bad old ways. Maybe one reason for that is experienced refs like Aylen and Mayberry keep calling it that way?

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paul  
Last year

Goulding and Ware went something like 8/27. It was an interesting strategy to try and bomb Perth out of their own home, not sure it's a great one. Maybe they think there's no point driving because you won't get calls!

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koberulz  
Last year

The rules changed some time back, the defending player is allowed to move.
"The defensive player may remain stationary, jump vertically, move laterally or backwards in order to maintain the initial legal guarding position. "
You have to have that initial legal guarding position though. Norton didn't. He was also moving into Ware.

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Anonymous  
Last year

Melbourne hasn't really been a great offensive team for a while though. They do rely on Ware and Goulding chucking. Defence is how they win

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LV  
Last year

Yes, as I said on here last week, United need CG and Casper making big plays. Their fortunes will rise and fall with those two, as they have since 16-17 but they may be more vital than last season.

It's still early days, so I'm not jumping to conclusions. But at this point, the loss of Wesley and Prather is really hurting on the offensive end.

Boone seems to regularly look proppy. Commentators suggested achilles/calf problem. Had hammy pre season.

Things could really go either way for United this season. The pressure isn't intense because the tally is 2-2, but they could very easily be 0-4.

Time will tell. Really hoping Kennedy gives me more reason for optimism on Monday night. He may.

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LV  
Last year

It was Casper and CG's best game this season I thought. Both of them.

If CG's out Monday, real opportunity for Kennedy. Hopefully he shows something.

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J  
Last year

Lets not ignore the 65 boards and 26 o boards compared to, 51 and 19, these extra possessions and o boards often result in fouls because the defence is out of position. Perth and united both got and didn't get some calls, but to say casper won it and it was all on the refs is a touch comical. Ref bash for sure, be a little one eyed, we all are, but acknowledge where your team also fell short. United chucked, and it didn't pay off. Kennedy, mccaron and barlow were deplorable from the field. Also United's bigs were very avg defending the pick and roll giving up multiple cheap fouls helping perth get to the bonus. Take solitude you were in the game when you were far from your best bit like perth in brisbane Thursday.

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LV  
Last year

1.4 seconds to go, if basket counts, United wins. Ref stopped the score.

Universally recognized as the wrong call.

Sure there are many calls and missed calls in a game, but don't pretend they're all equal.

United was the better team. Deserved to win.

Yes- plenty to work on though. Jury is still out. We're in the 3rd week of a 4 month season then playoffs.

O boards indeed a problem in 3 of the 4 games.

Signs aren't great for United but it's early days.

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Anonymous  
Last year

I was at the game. Some reflections:

Brandt had a brilliant game. Absolute power house on the boards. Pretty handy last resort in the post with ten seconds to go on the shot clock. Surprised no one's mentioned it.

Norton absolutely blocked Ware. I was dead in line behind Ware and Norton moved in under him. Live and in replay.

Cotton is amazing to watch live.

Goulding was brilliant. I think this game he was more complete than his usual "chucker" mode.

Ware and Cotton had a long good natured chat to start overtime. I think they have great mutual respect.

Replays on the scoreboard were few and far between, and were sometimes cut off by way too many sponsored player profile images.

Love the cats but Trevor is annoying and we really lost that game with Warne's incorrect charge.

But was great to be there.

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koberulz  
Last year

It appears to be Wildcats policy not to show replays of injuries, Perth fouls, or away scores.

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Anonymous  
Last year

"Sure there are many calls and missed calls in a game, but don't pretend they're all equal."

A missed call that stops a score in the first quarter is equal to a missed call that stops a call in the last quarter.

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Anonymous  
Last year

*a score

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LV  
Last year

PS J you asked so I will bite one final time on the ref issue

27 fouls to 12. Yes, united jacked 13 more 3 pt attempts than Perth.

But- this is off the top of my head (and I didn't even see whole game- missed a few minutes late 1st qtr while I put my kid to bed for a nap. Haven't seen replay either)

Smith Milner on White, straight up at the hoop, Moller foul on Cotton driving n the lane, Hooley on Cotton shooting on the perimeter, CG in the post vs Brandt, Caspers 2nd charge with 1.4 sec left in OT, Barlow's 5th in the rebounding contest in 2nd OT (after he'd recently hit a pair of threes).

There's 6 very dodgy calls on United. Off the top of my head.

As has been discussed here, Caspers push off 28 sec left in OT was 50/50... went to Norton.

Brandt jumps out and screens Casper, 50/50...goes against Casper.

All these calls against United. Lots of bad ones, lots of 50/50 ones.

And Perth only got called for 12 fouls in 50 minutes of basketball.

Do you think, if the refs were consistent, and making those same calls on Perth, that perhaps Perth may have been called for more than 12 fouls in a full game and two OT's?

As I said though, human psychology is the issue. There's no grand conspiracy. It is what it is.

Just don't pretend the result of the game is fair and reasonable.

United should focus on themselves though and what they can be doing better- of course. No doubt.

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Anonymous  
Last year

"Just don't pretend the result of the game is fair and reasonable. "

Piss off.

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paul  
Last year

LV, Perth missed out on two calls in the last minute of regulation that would have put them to the line. Kennedy's block on White was as obvious as it gets. Get those calls and OT doesn't happen.

Melbourne defended well but couldn't pull in enough boards, offensively there was too much one-on-one and too many long bombs. Yes, they will be right around the mix, but some of the same issues keep popping up at the moment that are costing them. They need to fix those, that's much more important than bad calls that go both ways.

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56  
Last year

As the great Vin Diesel said.
"Winning is winning. Doesn't matter if you win by an inch or win charge call in the last couple of seconds"

Bitch all you like at the end of the day one team won and the other lost. You cant change that.

Good game by both teams.

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LV  
Last year

Totally agree Paul.

Plenty of issues. Right now they're a long way off the team that played so well over the 2nd half of season and the playoffs.

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Anonymous  
Last year

LV how about when Moller had the offensive and Hire pulled him to the floor and got two free throws for being in the bonus, it was rubbish no matter what the Perth supporter say a I don't follow Melbourne, just want a fair and reasonable game.

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J  
Last year

Lv i thought you weren't doing the analyse every call in the game thing? Hooley went under the shooter, just like cotton went under ware on his pull up 2, so its a foul or it is not, im pretty happy with both calls. Frankly there is nothing to be gained with this all the missed fouls,discussion, but watch the nbl highlights and tell me barlow didn't move forwards into cotton with arms not straight up on the final play in regulation. See the rabbit hole we are diving into? Nothing to be gained here!!!! If united were the better team then 3 of their starters would have shot better than 30% and they may not have got smashed on the boards. Get over the calls, i mean united just won a game on a missed back court call!

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Camel 31  
Last year

it was along time ago when i played and refs wouldnt let me steal the ball from behind ...not sure why .... i saw cotton do it and all ok ...

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LV  
Last year

No, that one wasn't a foul on Barlow. Leaned forward slightly but remained in the cylinder.

Anyway, it is what it is. Games like this do happen. The Boomers missed a Bronze medal due to reffing. This is just basketball.

I'm definitely more concerned with a bunch of issues- not least of all working out exactly how Kennedy fits into this group and what he brings to the table. He doesn't look like a guy with his reputation should....

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Andrew  
Last year

Melbourne missing the "grown man" this season for sure.
We are all a little one eyed when we watch a game. I was there live and I was thinking that Melbourne were getting all the 50/50 calls... which I am sure when I watch the replay it will be pretty even with a few dodgey calls either way.

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Anonymous  
Last year

Great game all in all, loved it. I know non basketball people telling me how excited they were watching it, hopefully they continue to follow on nine.

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paul  
Last year

Anyway, enough negative talk about this game, what a classic. Hopefully these two teams meet in the playoffs because that was something else today and both will get better.

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J  
Last year

Well said paul

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LV  
Last year

Good call. Classic game.

It's been exciting watching United start with 4 close games with 6 overtimes!

These teams often go down to the wire- the rivalry could go next level if that continues in a playoff series!

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Anonymous  
Last year

So this week I learned that LV has a kid and Cram is married. Wow, we're all getting old!

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Haz  
Last year

Classic game and great advertisment for the league being live on FTA. A really great rivaalry is here between Perth and Melbourne.

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paul  
Last year

Congrats LV and Cram! And yep, we're getting old!

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FM  
Last year

Moving whilst playing defence to get the charge was the 1980 or 1984 rule book.

Slomo, you could say a block however go back to the principle of good officiating.

Norton did nothing wrong. If Aylen was watching Norton, he would have seen good foot work, legal defence and then impact. No need for ware to make contact with Norton on the play at all.

Right call, regardless if incorrect call.

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Anonymous  
Last year

Typical, Perth fans won't yield one bit. Yes everything your team did was legal and the officiating was superb.

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D2.0  
Last year

Crowds definitely down. I suspect that where these games will hurt this season is the casual sales.
The cats put advertising on the seats that are available for memberships, aimed at people that buy those tickets casually. Looking around even mid game, could still see a lot of those seats unoccupied.

I sit at the other end, so didn't see the "charge" or Gouldings injury.
Problem is that whenever there is a close game, decided by a basket, or OT, its easy to point to the worst call and say "we was robbed". It happens

I saw, or thought I saw, some really bizarre calls and non-calls. At some point I have to trust that the Refs are closer, more familiar with the current interpretations, and (hopefully) have better eyesight.

I was disappointed that we basically allowed Goulding to tear us a new one. Surely when you have the best perimeter defender in the league, the solution should be obvious?

Not sure what's going on with Jervis? He seems to give away a few easy fouls early, and then loses his bottle and stops chasing the boards. I love the guy but he seems to be struggling.

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Tom Jervis  
Last year

I am pissed that after two solid games they put me on the bench for the Brisbane game and now Melbourne. I am not in a good space as I didn't come back to Perth to play limited minutes off the bench.

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Anonymous  
Last year

Tom if you actually played well you would be getting minutes.

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Andrew  
Last year

Melbourne missing the "grown man" this season for sure.
We are all a little one eyed when we watch a game. I was there live and I was thinking that Melbourne were getting all the 50/50 calls... which I am sure when I watch the replay it will be pretty even with a few dodgey calls either way.

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paul  
Last year

"Norton did nothing wrong. If Aylen was watching Norton, he would have seen good foot work, legal defence and then impact."

If Aylen was watching Norton he would have seen he did not get legal defensive position in front of Ware before he elevated (and wasn't even close). Horror call from an experienced official and symptomatic of the charge/block issues we've long had in this country.

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Anonymous  
Last year

Thank you Paul, exactly.

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Anonymous  
Last year

White should have had a block called on Kennedy about 4 seconds before Ware should have had a block called on Norton.

One call doesn't make a game.

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Anonymous  
Last year

I think refs get off on the charge call, and by that I mean emphatically signalling by thrusting their fist in opposite direction to the play, particularly if the first thrust is going to get a positive reaction from the crowd.

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Luuuc  
Last year

^ It sure does seem that way at times, yeah

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Anonymous  
Last year

LV, you are a joke with your one-sided bias. Here are the two most egregious comments:

"United was the better team. Deserved to win. "

Laughable. Even Vickerman and Barlow in the post-match press conference were saying they didn't deserve to win.

"Barlow's 5th in the rebounding contest in 2nd OT (after he'd recently hit a pair of threes). "

This foul was as clear as you will see, unless you're wearing United-coloured glasses. Shocking bias.

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Anonymous  
Last year

Not as shocking as the delusion of Perth fans.

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Anonymous  
Last year

"I think refs get off on the charge call, and by that I mean emphatically signalling by thrusting their fist in opposite direction to the play, particularly if the first thrust is going to get a positive reaction from the crowd."

Absolutely, refs like Aylen and Ray Chamberlain will always make the more attention-drawing call in a 50/50 situation.

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Anonymous  
Last year

"I think refs get off on the charge call, and by that I mean emphatically signalling by thrusting their fist in opposite direction to the play, particularly if the first thrust is going to get a positive reaction from the crowd."

But then there is the dramatic hip framing pelvic thrust of the block call.

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Luuuc  
Last year

Luuuc considering all the work the team had done to build the game night experience and integrate it with the city it is a kick in the teeth. Critisicm is important, businesses are not after just survival but long term growth and sustained success. I and im sure many of the thousands attending games enjoyed been able to grab a bite, drink etc before or after, the time makes that more Awkward, its fact, and people should be allowed to make they point without getting shut down and labelled as whingers Abbey bloody time.

Fri/Sat night games in Perth are brilliant, I agree, so the more of them the better. And these noon games are a pain, I agree with that too. There's no doubt it clashes with unchangeable family commitments, because it's 2 games my mate's family have been unable to attend, which at Captain's Club prices is probably $500+ worth of seating down the drain for them. There was no warning of that at membership renewal time.

Personally I think not being able to get a feed due to the 12:00 tip-off time is beyond precious, but you're welcome to your opinion.

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Anonymous  
Last year

I love it when people quote the foul count and claim they were robbed without assessing it in the context of how the teams played. There is no rule, written or unwritten, that an even amount of fouls for each team dictates a fairly refereed game. Muggish analysis.

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Anonymous  
Last year

Can't believe people are still prattling on about that.
Charge vs Block has always been about the current interpretation, and that call is completely correct under the current interpretation.
Sure it has changed, and changed radically compared to where it once was, but just because you don't like it, doesn't make it wrong.

In my personal opinion I hated the way that players with the ball would not only make no attempt to avoid contact, but would deliberately instigate contact, and get easy fouls.

Put simply, Correct Defensive Position can be established instantaneously, not withstanding that the player is in effect moving. All you need is to face your opponent and have both feet touching the floor. Norton Clearly achieves that.
The Onus is then on the ball carrier to get around his opponent, or more to the point, to get such an overlap that defensive position is lost and/or contact is not to the Torso. Ware did not do that. Norton went backwards and sideways and Ware hit him right in the chest.

Maybe they have gone too far the other way but that is the current interpretation and that is how they have been calling it. Even Homicide who hates the Wildcats agreed with the call.

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J  
Last year

Can you move in while the player is in the air though? That is the q i would be asking if i am ware and what you said is accurate.

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Anonymous  
Last year

Well said. If you go through the middle of the guy's chest it's a charge for mine.

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J  
Last year

Luuuc it may be a "precious" attitude but it's also a prevailing attitude of sports teams and local businesses trying to integrate the game experience with a night/day out and frankly its better for the local economy if it does. East vic parks strip of restaurants always have meal deals and transport for every optus stadium event. For some people when you're out you like to make a day of it, the time genuinely makes that difficult, its not an ideal situation and that should be acknowledged without people reverting to "make a sandwich" let's not take my original comment out of context.

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Luuuc  
Last year

Nothing wrong with making a day of it, J. I do that too. But IMO there are a heap of great eating options around Perth & Northbridge that are open before 11am on the weekend.
But if you absolutely must have a chicken parmy or pork buns at 10:30am and anything else is a truly horrible proposition then that still feels kinda precious to me.
I don't see why Perth Arena should benefit the local economy of pubs in the area but not cafes, for example.

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Anonymous  
Last year

J, you started this by saying that a lot of places only open at 11, which makes it tight to have a meal/drink then get seated in time for tip-off. I could list a dozen places within 5/10 minutes walk of the arena that could get you a decent feed and a few rounds and still have plenty of time to get to the game.

If that time is too tight for you, maybe have lunch after the game and make an arvo of it.

This is just like those "stadium food is shit" threads. No one is forcing you to eat at the arena, or only before the game, and if you cant work out other arrangements or solutions then perhaps you're not quite adult enough to leave the house.

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Anonymous  
Last year

A laughable complaint with brunch being a big fad nowadays. Oh boo hoo hoo I need to eat at exactly midday.

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Anonymous  
Last year

Oh noes I can't eat at noon or go to home opens.

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Anonymous  
Last year

For real tho the stadium food is massively overpriced

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Anonymous  
Last year

So is everything in Perth for the lack of quality you get.

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Durtle  
Last year

Shame to see more red than pink yesterday.

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Anonymous  
Last year

The early start time didn't give me enough time to find something pink to wear.

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Anonymous  
Last year

I had to have breakfast at 3am just so I could still meet my strict midday lunch schedule.

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paul  
Last year

"Correct Defensive Position can be established instantaneously, not withstanding that the player is in effect moving. All you need is to face your opponent and have both feet touching the floor."

You need to establish a legal defensive position adjacent to the offensive player before he leaves the ground. Watch the replay, Norton at no stage had his feet on the floor with legal adjacent position. He jumped sideways in front of Ware after he had left the ground.

Now if you want to quote Homicide Williams, he said "Let me take me that back, that's a block" after he watched the replay. Even by Australian standards, where charge/block has traditionally been called in favour of the defence, that was a block.

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J  
Last year

Clearly flogging a dead horse here. Now at no point did i say i don't have the capacity to feed myself and adjust to the time, i did, went to brunch for those playing at home. Will likely eat at home next week. There is a heap of new places around Yagan square that i would like to try, they aren't really an option at this game time, and for myself and i am sure others that don't frequent the city often, we are in the city for games and it does detract from the whole experience in my opinion. Can't understand why so many people can't acknowledge a simple fact without carrying on about all the less than desirable alternatives available, i guess none of you ever get disappointed and are always happy when you don't get your way. Good on you all!

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Anonymous  
Last year

And when does the referee in real time get to watch the play on a monitor from 5 different cameras in slow mo and get the opportunity to change their call? They don't. Homocides opinion on calls is like asking one of his other commentators for financial advise. Bottom line is It’s not a simple play. And for someone of your pedigree Paul to be throwing out comments such as it’s a horrendous call just makes you look like you have a grudge. It’s not until the baseline vision is shown that the call starts to be questioned. But you keep slinging from the cheap seats pony boy.

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paul  
Last year

Thanks for the name calling.

I'm not really of pedigree, but I have been fortunate to see a lot of high-level basketball around the world close up, and what is noticeable is the charge/block is called by the rules, putting onus on defenders to establish position.

This means players have to actually move their feet and hold their ground, or if beaten open their stance rather than lunging sideways in front of the ball carrier.

For whatever reason, in this country we just have never been able to call it like most of the rest of the basketball, instead regularly rewarding defenders who lunge backwards upon contact. Funnily enough, you don't see nearly as much of that in other comps around the world because you don't get the call.

Vaughan Mayberry's call today on Johnson when Wesley simply took a dive highlights the issue we have. Our experienced refs were developed with an incorrect approach to charge/block, now they're passing that onto the young refs coming through.

Overall the way games are being called at the moment is allowing for attractive basketball, but the charge/block and blocked shot situations are significant areas of weakness and have been for a long time.

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Anonymous  
Last year

So let's finish this because I wouldn’t want to hurt your feelings anymore, that is not an easy play. It’s as simple as that.

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Anonymous  
Last year

"And when does the referee in real time get to watch the play on a monitor from 5 different cameras in slow mo and get the opportunity to change their call? They don't. Homocides opinion on calls is like asking one of his other commentators for financial advise. Bottom line is It's not a simple play. And for someone of your pedigree Paul to be throwing out comments such as it’s a horrendous call just makes you look like you have a grudge. It’s not until the baseline vision is shown that the call starts to be questioned. But you keep slinging from the cheap seats pony boy."

M. Aylen?

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Anonymous  
Last year

Whether it was a "simple play" or not the bottom line is that the call made was indisputably wrong.

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Anonymous  
Last year

^hahaha I wish

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Anonymous  
Last year

I don't think most are arguing if the call is right or wrong. But some of the inflammatory language is funny when it was correct until the baseline view.

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AD  
Last year

Noon start is annoying, simples as that.
They still get 10,000 to a game, so its not the end of the world. Doesn't mean we have to like it.

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Anonymous  
Last year

"M. Aylen?"

He is known to read online forums and get upset to his colleagues about negative things said about him.

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LV  
Last year

Cheers Paul.

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Anonymous  
Last year

"Homocides opinion on calls is like asking one of his other commentators for financial advise."

Nice.

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Craig  
Last year

Can someone tell me why the NBL choose to favour Perth? So many people seem to think this is the case so I am curious as to why they think it happens and how it helps the league?

(I for one dont think its the case, but would love to hear honest posts as to why they believe so)

IMO its simple, home teams get home cooking. Happens in every stadium...

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Anonymous  
Last year

I don't think the NBL favours Perth, or any team really. Overall NBL refs are just quite inconsistent in the way games are called which makes it seem certain teams are favored more in some games.

Home cooking is probably something that happens to some degree. I'd imagine a home crowd of 13,000 in Perth would have a bit more influence over the refs in a 50/50 call compared to say 3000 in Illawara.

Perth are also on the end of some really bad/missed calls, even at home, but just because so many opposition fans are too one eyed and despise Perth they don't seem to admit to it. There's been games were people complain about Perth 'getting favored' all game despite Perth getting a bunch of wrong calls against them.

Overall I think the refs are just inconsistent in the way all games are called, and fan bias leads people to focus on some teams calls more than others.

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Andrew  
Last year

Well said Anon. I agree.

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Luuuc  
Last year

"I copped an elbow and when I wiped my mouth, there was a bit of my tooth there. It was in pieces," Norton said.
“Once I got it all out of there and the blood was gone, I was able to focus back on the game.
“It's chipped downwards which is strange but it’s a small price to pay to get the win.


Mitch Norton heads to dentist after clash with Melbourne United’s Casper Ware

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Anonymous  
Last year

Still a block.

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Anonymous  
Last year

I don't think Luuuc was saying otherwise.

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Anonymous  
Last year

The article and quote do though, "oh look chipped tooth must be a charge"

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Anonymous  
Last year

No it really doesn't say that at all.

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Anonymous  
Last year

If you say so.

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Luuuc  
Last year

Charge on Ware was officially an incorrect call according to the NBL referee review:
LINK

(Several other calls also analysed on that page)

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Anonymous  
Last year

Cat Chat is going to love this! haha

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Anonymous  
Last year

There is no point doing those reviews if they are going to misrepresent what happened in order to claim the call was correct. I'm talking about the Bogut flop.

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AD  
Last year

Firstly, not sure why Wildcats' fans would be upset by this? We WON the game. It will be the Melbourne fans like LV suffering brain explosions.

It's interesting that they have chosen to focus on these charge calls, does that signal a change?
My point (way) above was that this was consistent with what they have been calling, they have been throwing out charge calls like confetti this season.

My only other comment was directed at the constant "he was moving, he was moving" complaints. Which, even according to the review, isn't the issue.

And for all that, it IS still just one call. Had either team got another call their way, the game wouldn't have gone into overtime.

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Anonymous  
Last year

"And for all that, it IS still just one call. Had either team got another call their way, the game wouldn't have gone into overtime"

Yeah the only thing I don't like about these review articles is they focus on just a handful of calls over the entire round. It's good to see the NBL owning up to mistakes and (I'm assuming) looking to improve the standard of reffing. But the fact is there are a huge number of incorrect calls/non calls that impact games which the article doesn't touch on.

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LV  
Last year

No brain explosions necessary- I was pretty pissed on the night

The review just confirms what absolutely anybody with the faintest clue about basketball already knew- the replays unequivocally confirmed that it should've been a blocking foul

But, to be fair, these things are much harder to judge in real time. The NBL review clearly explained all the factors- and yes, I admit it's not easy to get the perfect view and then weigh all of those factors in a split second.

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Anonymous  
Last year

"No brain explosions necessary- I was pretty pissed on the night"

Were you equally annoyed when Melbourne got away with a blatant backcourt violation the week before?

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LV  
Last year

To be honest I didn't notice

But if you watch the replay, no one noticed. Not Joey Wright, not the commentators, and not the Adelaide players. Daniel Johnson half heartedly pointed at Ware- but didn't then say anything to the refs

We'd all have to agree on 4 things

1. The missed call was wrong

2. This is one of the most bizarre events On a basketball court. Wrong missed call at the death but no one realised

3. Unlikely Adelaide would've scored a 3 with 4 seconds to go- if they'd got the ball like they should've. Possible, but maybe a 20% chance at best. Then OT even if they hit. So Adelaide would've had at most a 10% chance of winning if the correct call was made.

4. Not really comparable to Casper in Perth where, if the correct call had been made, all other things being equal, there would be a 90% chance United wins (Conservatively). With Casper on the line with 1.4secs left and shooting one FT for a 3 point lead. Perth could've had the ball in the back court, 2 down, 1.4 secs left. Or if they had a time out remaining, would've been 3 down with an inbounds in their own half with 1.4 secs left.

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paul  
Last year

Definitely comparable, except the Melbourne cross-court one was worse and robbed Adelaide of any chance of winning.

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Anonymous  
Last year

But you notice now LV, and you're trying to downplay because it was your team that got the rub, unlike last Saturday where you have invented a scenario where 2 points is worth more to Ware because he sat down at the start of the second half two nights later.

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LV  
Last year

Adelaide was robbed- I agree.

They were robbed of a 10% chance of winning.

United was robbed of a 90%+ chance of winning and instead thrust into a 50/50 OT scenario.

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LV  
Last year

(After being robbed all game).

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LV  
Last year

In other words Paul, that's a funny definition of "comparable" that you're using.

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paul  
Last year

By comparable I mean you can compare them because they were both bad calls. The thing that's not comparable is the call in Melbourne's favour was more obviously incorrect and guaranteed Melbourne a win. The call against Melbourne still left them with a 50:50 chance to win.

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LV  
Last year

The call in Melbourne's favour guaranteed them a win when they were at least 90% certain of winning anyway.

Agree the backcourt violation was more obvious. Can't believe everyone missed it.

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LV  
Last year

The call in Melbourne's favour guaranteed them a win when they were at least 90% certain of winning anyway.

Agree the backcourt violation was more obvious. Can't believe everyone missed it.

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koberulz  
Last year

You keep repeating that 90% number like it means anything.

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LV  
Last year

90% is conservative.


No way Adelaide is a greater than 10% chance of scoring 3 points within 4 seconds (at the conclusion of a scrappy, very low scoring game) and then winning in OT.

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koberulz  
Last year

That would be a plausible argument if they had no inbound plays designed to get a three, and/or no good three-point shooters.

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Anonymous  
Last year

'Scoring three points within four seconds'

Those points are worth more though, right?

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LV  
Last year

They've got plenty of good 3 point shooters.

But the chance of nailing a 3 under pressure - when the other team is a very strong defensive team and knows you're trying to hit a 3- and needing to do it within 4 seconds, is not over 20%.

Especially not when they were 3 from 13 from outside for the game.

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koberulz  
Last year

3/13 is already higher than 20%.

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LV  
Last year

Yeah, and plenty of those 13 would've been wide open, when the opponent was defending the drive and left the perimeter open.

I get the impression you haven't watched as much basketball as you make out

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Anonymous  
Last year

Why are we discussing what was likely/unlikely to happen? Th fact is, another terrible call was made on Melbourne's home court, one of severable memorable and horrible calls in the past few seasons, it gifted Melbourne the game AGAIN, but LV is whinging about something not going his way on a very tough call to make.

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LV  
Last year

The average three point percentage is something like 34%, and that includes all the wide open ones where a double team leads to an open player

In scenarios where a team is down by 3 with under 5 seconds to go with a sideline possession, the percentage is much lower. I'd be very, very surprised if it's over 20%.

I'd be interested if anyone has any stats on this.

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Anonymous  
Last year

So the league confirms Perth benefit ted from a bad call? Wow... baby steps to less home cooking.

Where are all those Perth posters who claimed it wasn't a block? Oh that's right this is the only time we won't be hearing from them.

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Anonymous  
Last year

LV I do have stats. Live betting at the time had MEL at $1.01-$1.10 range to win so that equates to 90%-99%.

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LV  
Last year

Thanks anon- exactly the odds you'd expect

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Anonymous  
Last year

Human error has been a part of sports since humans were involved. Suck it up. I like the nbl's initiative in explaining these calls and hopefully behind the scenes they are also trying to improve referee standards.

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"But, to be fair, these things are much harder to judge in real time. The NBL review clearly explained all the factors- and yes, I admit it's not easy to get the perfect view and then weigh all of those factors in a split second."

Wow, that's about the most sensible thing anyone has written in this thread.

It was a somewhat weird scenario, in that you needed to see the baseline ("lateral"?) view to see that it was wrong. Norton did establish a defensive position, but he wasn't facing Ware, so not in fact a Defensive Position, prior to him moving.

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