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Earlier this year

NZ World Cup team

http://nz.basketball/news/tall-blacks-long-list-for-world-cup-revealed

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Anonymous  
Earlier this year

Webster/Ili/Kenny
Webster/TeRangi
Abercrombie/Delaney
Vukona/Fotu
Adams/Pledger/Loe

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Food for thought  
Earlier this year

"Webster/Ili/Kenny
Webster/TeRangi
Abercrombie/Delaney
Vukona/Fotu
Adams/Pledger/Loe"

Literally the team I chose when talking to a mate earlier.

I think they'll probably still struggle to advance from the group. Would likely beat Montenegro, have a chance against Brazil, but lose to Greece. If they got into the second round their likely opponents would be Team USA and Turkey and I kind of can't imagine them winning either of those games, but if they did beat Brazil it could set up a quarterfinal game against Australia.

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Food for thought  
Earlier this year

If they did beat Turkey I mean

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Hogwash  
Earlier this year

Kenny has to be 12th man surely.
Any up and comers for NZ as Corey Webster, Abercrombie, Vukona and Pledger edge closer to end of Tall Black careers?

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Anonymous  
Earlier this year

They have about 10 bigs to choose from and very few quality guards beyond what's listed.

I would have salt on the team.

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PyroCross  
Earlier this year

Salt's withdrawn due to sorting out his first professional season (likely Europe as the Breakers are out of spots).

Post-2019, the TBs lineup will revolve around the Webster-Fotu duo, and Steve Adams if he ever commits to play.

The frontline rotation will include Delany, Smith-Milner, Jack Salt, Sam Waardenburg (Miami) and Max Darling (playing overseas at 19). Wings will include Te Rangi and Dan Fotu (Isaac's brother, St Mary's), while the guard line will have Ili and Quinn Clinton (St Mary's). Definite big depth, not so much guards.

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Anonymous  
Earlier this year

Guard depth is shockingly bad, maybe they get a naturalised player.

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sharod  
Earlier this year

My thought on other promising young talents for Tall Blacks in the future:
PG - Izayah Leafa (D1), Jayden Bezzant (D2)
SG - Flynn Cameron (D1), Tobias Cameron (D1)
SF - Jackson Stent (D1)
PF - Taane Samuel, Matt Freeman (D1), Kelman-Poto
C - Callum McRae (D1)

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Anonymous  
Earlier this year

Aussies future looks to be good.

95-00

Top 3 per position?
Simmons/Exum/WMW
Green/Grida/Ducas
Adel/Noi/White
Bolden/Maker/Cooks
Landale/Humphries/Froling

Quite a few quality prospects born after 00 already.

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D2.0  
Earlier this year

Be interesting to see what approach Henare adopts.
They haven't really got a hope, so does he choose to play some of their College kids?

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Food for thought  
Earlier this year

A hope of what though? What constitutes success for them and what would they be hoping for?

Is top 16 success? Top 8? See how far they can get? Some sort of miracle podium finish?

Depends how they measure success for this group. They do have a hope of advancing past the first group. If that is what they're aiming for then they should go with the Webster brothers, Ili and Kenney on the bench.

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Anonymous  
Earlier this year

Given the World Cup is the main Olympic qualifier, I would say they'd be very keen to make it out of their group and then win as many knockouts as they can to try and qualify for the Olympics ahead of Australia, so very unlikely they'll treat it as a development tournament.

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Anonymous  
Earlier this year

Why start at the age of the year 95, surely if after 1990 you still got years ahead of you. Naar is in 94 and is a far better option at this stage than WMW, who has been injured last season and only played div 2 in Germany and gets talked up as a certain boomer.

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Food for thought  
Earlier this year

With so many Asia qualifiers and so forth, it makes no sense to me why you'd use a World Cup to develop players. Makes about as much sense as using the NBA Finals to trial next year's rookies.

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D2.0  
Earlier this year

Ok, let me rephrase:
Some of the players in that squad are so far over the hill, they can't even remember what the hill looked like.
If, as some are suggesting, those players are still their best, then they've no hope of even winning a game.
So my question is whether they have any young turks in the College ranks?

As for what constitutes "hope", well I'd suggest the bar would be set at "avoid complete embarrassment"

They've got a tough draw (for them). I just can't see them getting past Greece or Brazil.

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MACDUB  
Earlier this year

Not sure i'd be keen on sending Vukona.
He's barely playing for Nelson in the NZNBL. His body looks absolutely done.
I get the "Experience factor" but I do think production should be the dominant and first selection criteria.
I'd send Rusbatch in his place (play Abercrombie as the backup four).

Or try to hastily naturalise Marcel Jones (feel like he might already have NZ Citizenship?)

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Zodiac  
Earlier this year

To be fair to Vukona didn't he seriously hurt his achilles or something late in the season for the Bullets and then the Tall Blacks made him play on it which helped to derail the Bullets in the playoffs?

He's likely still nursing himself through that now and trying to save himself for the season ahead with the Bullets.

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Anonymous  
Earlier this year

Vukona and Jones should not be spoken in the same sentence, let at all compared as a replacement, Vukona is a warrior, Jones is a flashy scorer who doesn't play D.

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Food for thought  
Earlier this year

Adams has just confirmed that he wont be playing at the world cup this year, but said he remains committed to the Tall Blacks and is interested in the opportunity to play in the Olympics with them.

I don't know what his history is with the program but seems to me like he's purposely dicking them around. He might have views about Basketball NZ but when he does this, it's not only them as an organization that suffers, but basketball fans across the entire country.

It's a bit rich to say "I'm interested in representing NZ at the Olympics" when they have pretty low odds of even making it there. To make it to the Olympics they have to rank higher than Australia in the World Cup or be one of the four teams who make it through the qualifying tournaments - it's not going to happen.

I obviously don't want NZ to qualify over Australia but I feel like Adams is being a dick. He's never played for the Tall Blacks before. He's healthy. There is no real excuse to pull out. He should stop playing games, say he has no interest in playing for the Tall Blacks so that everyone who is involved can just move on.

NZ has basically no chance of advancing from the group stage now, and you can probably count out the Olympics.

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paul  
Earlier this year

"NZ has basically no chance of advancing from the group stage now, and you can probably count out the Olympics."

They are one of only four countries (USA, Spain and Turkey the others) to have advanced to the knockout stages of the past four World Cups, often with less talent than this team will have, so I'm sure they won't give up on your say so!

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Anonymous  
Earlier this year

Not sure what adams is trying to do.

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