Anonymous
Earlier this year

The FIBA U-19 thread

Our boys lost the opener to Canada 81-76 with Sam Froling leading with a 15pt/13 reb double and Stattman scoring 21.

Playing against Mali tonight.
Go Aussies.

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Anonymous  
Earlier this year

Thought we played very bad defense.
Also getting frustrating that our best 12 are not suiting up...
Every tournament it seems kids are injured or choose not to play. Can't see us going far in the tournament.

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Anonymous  
Earlier this year

The team looked horrible, gave up open 3's and showed no intensity the entire game.

Hopefully a better showing tonight.

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Anonymous  
Earlier this year

Bannan over Leupepe, maker over Kunen, green over Buluk.
Medal chance...

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Anonymous  
Earlier this year

Obviously Maker/Green would bolster our chances greatly, but still a good opportunity to catch a look at a few good prospects.

Sam Froling is looking to have another productive international tournament which is typical for him. He has a level of poise and a skill level in the post that is rare at this age. 6 assists was great to see. I think the next step for him offensively is being more of a threat as a shooter, and that's going to be imperative to any NBA chances.

For the life of me, I don't understand the appeal of Lee starting over Wigness. Nothing against Lee, but he had 2 and 2 in 18 minutes against Canada. His impact on the court feels minimal when contrasted to when Tamuri comes on. Wigness actually started off struggling with an airballed 3 and a TO iirc, but his PnR passing, general incisiveness as a driver, overall scoring ability (including 3 triples), and super active defense just pop off the screen. I'm praying he keeps growing because he's got legitimate NBA traits.

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Anonymous  
Earlier this year

Mali just beat Latvia, are they real threats to this aus squad?

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Anonymous  
Earlier this year

This is the WC, not just another 'let's see how good he is' tournament.

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Anonymous  
Earlier this year

From this level upwards you will always have trouble getting all available players.
Such a shame I think
Wigness
Green
Stattman
Maker
S Froling would be a great starting 5.

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Anonymous  
Earlier this year

how is everyone watching these games? youtube?

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Anonymous  
Earlier this year

Yes, YouTube. Or on fiba website.


Wigness/MacDonald/Lee
Stattman/Ducas
Green/Robertson or Travers
Maker/Bowen/Bannan
Froling/Dalton

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Anonymous  
Earlier this year

thanks

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Aussie  
Earlier this year

Anyone know why Ducas has not seen one minute yet? Is he injured? Another reason?

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Anonymous  
Earlier this year

Probably in next game.
Didn't want to risk him.

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Anonymous  
Earlier this year

If we can beat Mali by a bit, we should finish top.

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Dave  
Earlier this year

Mali beat France 71 :70. lol

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Anonymous  
Earlier this year

You mean Mali beat Canada

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anonymous  
Earlier this year

Team selection is always going to be something to debate and is largely based on what the coach wants/believes...

As the squad was announced prior to the u20 nationals there was always going to be some questionable selections.

And prior involvement in Aus teams and/or being at CoE may get you in to the team.

Having watched nearly every game at the U20 nationals and seen a lot of this age group I was surprised that Robertson and Kunen were selected. Both have had a lot of opportunities over the years and haven't developed to where they should have.

Being early developers and bigger bodies in u16 made them stand out more, but now they both struggle in the positions that they play in.

Leupepe is always an interesting selection. He dominates here in Aust because of his strength and aggression. But struggles in Aus teams and against mush taller and longer opposition. He should have transitioned into a 3 man years ago. Will be interested to see how he goes at LMU.

I'm assuming that Ducas got injured in training camp or right before the tournament. He is in the starting 5 when healthy. Surely not a longer term injury or why take him.

Bowen has been really solid in past tournaments but seemed to play limited minutes. Coaching choice?

I'm not sold on Wigness. Yeah he looks flashy and fast, makes some tough plays etc. But does his style result in wins? I see him a lot like Jerome Randle. Looks great against weaker opponents and get decent numbers at low efficiency. But really struggles to involve team mates and make team better.

Lee and McDonald are a bit like Leaupepe, look pretty good here in Aust where their speed (Lee) or strength (McDonald) allow them to get numbers. But on the world stage their lack of size really limits them. Interesting the CoE have really been focused on taking players with a certain body type (even if they struggle as players, but don't get me started there...) in most positions but still seem to stick with smaller PGs. At U20s there were some 6'4+ PGs on a number of teams that may not have had the opportunity previously but much more suited to world game...

Now don't even get me going on the coaching...

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Makur Maker  
Earlier this year

Mali beat canada 71:70. lol

sorry, typo.

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Anonymous  
Earlier this year

So are you Dave or Makur Maker? Oops

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Anonymous  
Earlier this year

anon - How can you say that about Wigness? He is by no means inefficient

13 points on 5/9 shooting against Canada
9 points on 4/6 shooting against Latvia


Including 4/6 from 3 so far.

And this is consistent with his play at other tournaments. Remember his like 10/11 FG game last year for Aus?

Wigness rarely takes a bad shot, makes great decisions within the offense, and generates heaps of easy points for teammates with his passing was the catalyst for the Emu's best runs in both games. They have simply been better with him on the floor.

Struggles to involve teammates? That's just a load of ****. He's the best floor general/passer on the team and plays a very pass-1st style.

His impact compared to Isaiah Lee (no offense to him, like the kid) is night and day.

Lee in the 2 games so far -

22 mins, 1/8, 4 points, 1 assist
18 mins, 1/2, 2 points, 2 assists

Wigness and Froling are the 2 best players on this squad and it's not close.

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Anonymous  
Earlier this year

Stattman close third

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Unknown  
Earlier this year

Ducas should play game 3

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Dave  
Earlier this year

yes, wigness is much better than Lee. Not even close

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Anonymous  
Earlier this year

Lots of selections also go on the mates act, all 50/50 or even 40/60 calls favour players who are in the click or have parents in favourable positions. It's the same in all sports and is bloody annoying.

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Anonymous  
Earlier this year

Once we get to u19 Worlds, do coaches basically feel that omitting a COE/Global Academy kid is an admission of failure? That it would say either we got it wrong when we selected this kid to start with, or our development processes for him haven't been good enough? There's appeal to the known quantity in any case, you know the kid can handle himself in that environment and not be flustered by the travel, stage, etc. But it does feel, and I think this will be exacerbated by the new qualification format, like far too much of u19 selection is based on u16 performances.

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Anonymous  
Earlier this year

We are not taking these junior world cups seriosly enough imo.
When will start sending our best teams and not give coaches 2-3 chances after poor results,

U19B
4th, 7th, DNQ, ?

U19G
3rd, 3rd, 6th, ?

U17B
2nd, 7th, 6th, ?

U17G
5th, 1st, 3rd, ?

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Anonymous  
Earlier this year

I'll say this much - if Maker, Green and King were playing (or any combination of them, really), I'd be 1000% more invested in watching the games.

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Anonymous  
Earlier this year

King is next u19s.
Hopefully everyone shows up in 2021.

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Anonymous  
Earlier this year

Wigness and Jayden Stone should be part of that too.
Any promising bigs though?

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Anonymous  
Earlier this year

Giddey in 2021 as well. Not much in the bigs in that age group, but might be manageable playing small ball if some of the guards and wings keep growing. Adebayo, Jones, Schmidt and Tsapatolis. Only Adebayo really looks like having a chance to hold down the middle against opposing Cs at Worlds level. McWilliams is younger but might make enough progress by then to give us some genuine size. So hard to know with the boys this age though as they can grow, stop growing, add muscle, lose pace, almost overnight and look like totally different players between tournaments.

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Dj  
Earlier this year

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Dave  
Earlier this year

stone, king, makur maker, green, mading, our best u19 players are not playing in this tournament.

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Anonymous  
Earlier this year

Early prediction.
Next u19s looks to be...

PG 5'11 T.Wigness / 6’1 B,Bayles / 6’4 D.Daniels(03)
SG 6’5+ M.King / 6’4 T.Armstrong
SF 6’7+ J.Giddey / 6.7+ J.Duach(03)
PF 6’8+ L.Adebayo / 6’10+ B.Jones / unknown PF?
C 6’10 P.Tsapatolis / 7’0 L.Schmidt

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Anonymous  
Earlier this year

L Schmidt American ?

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Anonymous  
Earlier this year

No, he's at the C.O.E

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Anonymous  
Earlier this year

so Potentially missing...

00 J.Stone 6'3 PG - Offer from Auburn, Louisville, Baylor, Illinois, Georgetown etc
00 J.Green 6’6 SG - Committed to Arizona
00 M.Maker 6’11 PF - Offer from Kentucky, Auburn, Louisville, Kansas, Oregon, UCLA etc
01 L.Travers 6’6 SG - Unknown future
01 J.Bannan 6’9 PF - Commited to Montana

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Anonymous  
Earlier this year

What about Smith from Tas or Rasmussen from SA?

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Anonymous  
Earlier this year

Both pretty small for the next level at under 6'2. Both great shooters but what else can they offer.

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Anonymous  
Earlier this year

Both 6'1 atm. Still some time to grow. One will be on the u17 oceania team and the other on the u16 Asia team most likely.

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Anonymous  
Earlier this year

Is Anyang Garang any good? Or raw physical tools we're hoping for a late bloom from?

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Aussie  
Earlier this year


Early prediction.
Next u19s looks to be...

PG 5'11 T.Wigness / 6'1 B,Bayles / 6’4 D.Daniels(03)
SG 6’5+ M.King / 6’4 T.Armstrong
SF 6’7+ J.Giddey / 6.7+ J.Duach(03)
PF 6’8+ L.Adebayo / 6’10+ B.Jones / unknown PF?
C 6’10 P.Tsapatolis / 7’0 L.Schmidt

Giddey isn't a small forward, he is definately a point guard.

Where did you read that Giddey is 6'7? I think he is 6'6

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Anonymous  
Earlier this year

Not saying he's not a cg, just that he will likely play at sf in that competition and 6’7+ would be his projected height in 2 years.

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Anonymous  
Earlier this year

Giddy is literally 6'7 now, he was listed in the NBL1 website and elsewhere at 199 cm, And in recent photos he looks to have grown i’d say 6’8 would be quite likely.
I think he would be a point guard but maybe in the 2002 under 19 WC he may play 1-3

Also for Bigs there’s a few in the US
Harrison Hornery 6’9 offers from Georgia Tech & TCU
Akoldah Gak 6’10/6’11 gorjok & deng’s brother

COE/global Academy
Jones 69 Schmidt 611 Waters 611
As well as
Rowe 6’11
2003
Dengdit 6’8 McWilliams 7’0

As for this year's team it will be very interesting to see if the coach changes his starting lineup.
leupepe is just too slow and running two point guards is so 80s 90s Australian style.
They will need to beat Mali by at least six points to get in first position
You would like to think that learnt something from the pretty obvious mistakes made when playing Canada there are number of guys he couldn’t compete athletically with them and Mali will be the same

Also quite surprised hunter Goodrick was overlooked For Robinson/leupepe they play at the coaches HomeClub Dandenong, quite a poor decision ..

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Anonymous  
Earlier this year

Dengdit being 03 and already 6'8. We could see him become that next pf beyond Adebayo and jones.
Yak has been getting some good reviews, hopefully aus staff are in contact still.

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Anonymous  
Earlier this year

Gak'

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Anonymous  
Earlier this year

Is Jayden Stone 00 or 02.

2000-2003 already looking promising (early days of course)
Green
Maker
Froling
Stattman
Bowen
Wigness
Stone
King
Hornsey
A Gak
McWilliams
Gatbel
Schmidt
Travers
any others.

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Anonymous  
Earlier this year

Giddey
Tsapotilis
Dengdit
Waters.

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Anonymous  
Earlier this year

Stone is 00.

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Anonymous  
Earlier this year

Leupepe really struggling with the speed and he has missed about 15 or so layups already this tournament.

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Anonymous  
Earlier this year

Little bit of pressure and we fall to pieces...

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Anonymous  
Earlier this year

Leupepe & Lee are having shockers

Lee just doesn't seem to have any confidence
Even froling seems to be having confidence problem
They really are just having a really bad second quarter this is where the coach really needs to start doing something

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proud  
Earlier this year

Mali have played so much better than us in this second half... who are our clutch players ?

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Anonymous  
Earlier this year

Escaped, 3 by froling gets us the win.

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Anonymous  
Earlier this year

should have lost

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proud  
Earlier this year

Our turnovers and matador defence in the second half was very cringeworthy... but they won and let's hope they can take confidence from that and learn from those mistakes.

Surely that isn't our best starting 5

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Anonymous  
Earlier this year

MacDonald was a savage. Clutch three by froling

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Anonymous  
Earlier this year

now they get to play lithuania, serbia and USA just to get to finals.

If they had of lost or won by 2 or less (or more than 9), they would have played NZ, Argentina/Russia.

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Anonymous  
Earlier this year

Dam, not sure we can get past these teams ahead, Mali ended up in the best position finishing 3rd.

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Lorenzo  
Earlier this year

How did fiba work out placings?

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Anonymous  
Earlier this year

3 way tie, the coaching staff should have known the points situation. Extremely poor coaching.

they could have let the game go into overtime and then try to win by 10 or they could have fouled on the last play and win by 1 or 2 and avoid the USA.

Tournament effectively over while NZ is still alive.

Notice how Greece were smart enough to lose to ensure they avoided the USA.

Top half of the draw is now stacked with Russia, USA, Lithuania, Serbia oh and Australia.

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Anonymous  
Earlier this year

Wani Swaka Lo Buluk 2001 to add to list above.

One thing is for sure when they are trying to figure out 2021 team make sure in advance they reach out to US based players eg Hornery and Adolkah Gak.

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Anonymous  
Earlier this year

Looks like the guys really struggled with Mali's length but did a great job to pull it out. Tough team to play.

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Anonymous  
Earlier this year

"If they had of lost or won by 2 or less (or more than 9), they would have played NZ, Argentina/Russia."

If that's true (I haven't fact checked), then Aus could have simply fouled immediately on the final play. If Mali makes 1-2 free throws then you have the desired result. Poor coaching and/or execution, it seems.

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Anonymous  
Earlier this year

How has Mali suddenly competing with us and Canada? Nba global academy influence?

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Anonymous  
Earlier this year

Yes, Mali, Senegal and Nigeria inparticular will continue to get stronger. It will be very difficult to compete with them.
Mali and Nigeria in the women's are also rapidly improving with coaching and resources.

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Dave  
Earlier this year

Add Henry Makeny to the list, a very good prospect

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Dave Maker  
Earlier this year

We are all forgetting Marial Mading a 6'10" 2000 born forward who will play NCAA at Rhode Island this coming season.

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Anonymous  
Earlier this year

Transferring from Rhode island.

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Dave Maker  
Earlier this year

Bofinger
Lachlan Bofinger

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Anonymous  
Earlier this year

Coe staff preach toughness in the Aussie game but we always show very little desire compared to our opponents.

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Anonymous  
Earlier this year

Completely outhustled in the first half.

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Makur Maker  
Earlier this year

Dave Maker, is marial mading a nba prospect ?

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Anonymous  
Earlier this year

Couldn't play the 1st half like we did in the 3rd qtr?

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Anonymous  
Earlier this year

Butter fingers ducas.

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Anonymous  
Earlier this year

Didn't show up in the first half.

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Anonymous  
Earlier this year

So many easy corner threes

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Anonymous  
Earlier this year

Perry and Anstey out. Another terrible job done by the coaches in Aussie junior ball.
Only Seebohm has performed at junior level in the last several years.

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Makur Maker  
Earlier this year

getting knocked out in the round of 16, not good enough.

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Anonymous  
Earlier this year

Think we would have beaten Serbia, they have been pretty bad against the phillipines.

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Anonymous  
Earlier this year

Perry should never coach for Australia again. Turning down a round of 16 match up against NZ. Dumb dumb dumb. Rankings are very important.

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