So Woodville bring back an import with extensive injury history and underutilize the other, both bad fits anyway. Needed a true point to teach their youngsters, time for Whitmore to piss off, has had long enough to turn ship around, steadily gotten worse with him there. Assume Perry is injured as usual but where is Clippinger? Get a team like Southern that get a guy straight away that contributes but teams like Woodville, South and Centrals struggle. Of course money definitely plays a factor but some are just woeful and Jones jumping ship is terrible.

most PL imports arent making all that much, especially at a remote place like centrals

Boone from the women was nearly making more than both male imports combined!

She got a tough job carrying a social B grade level team in the PL so id say she deserves it

South recently had some good quality imports just lacking some help for them... their team is too young for now will slowly get better and more competitive

Dakota Zinser good quality????

Great season Mavs again
Pathetic
Best wishes for the social association

souths big import has carried the team, the other one is no good, juniors are terrible and nothing coming through, be interesting if they can keep their recruits

Final men's ladder potions will correspond exactly with money spent on players

Pretty offensive comments towards teams such as Souths. Many teams have talent on the floor,
just not on the coaches bench. So many games at more than just one club that have been neck and neck only to have coaches pull players and put mind boggling combos on court and lose badly in the 4th. The discourse in the crowd is palpable and online evident and clear. Even coaches who have done National Coaching levels you have to wonder if they are in it for the right reasons or to be part of a particular coaching group to hang out with their mates. Not a good reason and when you leave the wings of your idol coach many will be caught out and I get the feeling thats whats happening. Being a nice guy or associated with particular coaches does not mean you have the goods at that level. Many get away with it for a while when given a ready made experienced talented team until they don't have that luxury. The tell is have they coached lower age juniors and been able to develop them in to a team and over two years in an age group improved or have they been given talent a previous coach developed and made finals and showed improvement individually and strong team concepts or did they take that same team and by the time they were finished with them they had dropped in skill, team work and moral and dis that coach attempt to remediate themselves and change or ask for assistance, or turn on the team. I see many teams and players destroyed on and off court with the power many coaches are allowed to have over players and teams. There is no accountability and too much mateship between coaches. They do each other no favours by continuing to ignore the issues over the needs of the teams. This is the downfall of many clubs and can be avoided by having strong leadership, genuine support honesty and an overriding club philosophy and style of play. Successful clubs have these in place and and demand their coaches are there for their team not themselves. They hold themselves accountable above all else and the teams know it and they work hard for their coaches and their team. The club is rewarded across all ages and levels including Premier League and its not about the wins. Its about each team at that time within the comp of that season. Perspective is required and egos left at the door. Unfortunately many mistake confidence and competence with egos and personality with competence.

Wow, what a strange rant.

Would love to know from the "coaches rant" person who they think in PL gets the tick or fall into the catergories they ranted about?

Why is it alledgedly the PL coaches job to develop junior talent?
Of course any club juniors that make PL should be developed by the coach but it always seems that there is an expectation from certain circles that development is on the PL coach. Unless that coach is also in the role of JDO or something similar it would appear to me it isnt on them.
Seems strange to constantly talk down PL coaches who have nothing to do with juniors.

Before I tackle the long drive to Morphett Vale with all the wonderful work at Darlington does anyone know if PL games on tonight due to the rain. Thanks

Long drive to morphett vale lol

Would really like to see the honest amounts of what are spent on each team, this includes sponsors.

Do you have any feel for the amount?

Is it just me or is centrals playing with 6?

Webcast says four on the bench, but only one has played.

Watching south's live stream, only 6 players are present

Bush league

How can a team not find more players lol

And why is Souths import on the bench

Pity Mount Gambier Forestville feed wasn't available, really wanted to watch that one. Makings of game of year this close to finals. Depends who played of course.

South lost to centrals with 6 players, not sure which is worse

Souths coach should hand in his resignation right now, or the committee should get some balls and sack him

Do your homework. There are Premier League Coaches who are Development Managers or Basketball operations managers. There are assistants that are junior coaches. Fact.

No excuse but losing Allmon their only player didn't help. But 6 players is a joke, their 18s just beat Sturt the national champs. The season is over, give them a run, better than South players anyway. Way Centrals season has finished is troubling, had plenty of talent but fell off the cliff for some reason.

There are premier league coaches that shouldn't be coaching juniors either as they clearly have no idea, but they have got all the certificates so that means they are qualified

Pioneers outscored Eagles by 30 in three quarters. Bloody hell

South got beaten by a 40+ year old, a 16 year old, a 12th man normally. Overrun in final quarter as well. If that dousnt show how bad a coach Petty is, nothing will. That with Hoppo back as well. Beyond embarrassing
On other hand, where are Centrals players, few off to college but that doesn't explain those numbers.

Sudanese tournament im assuming, however there should be others that could fill in for a game

Think West needs to change moniker of West is Best. Surely that's up there with most pathetic performance of year.

Panthers beyond a joke, Hoppo back from college commitments but only given 9 minutes... was he injured?

Petty won't get sacked, his assistant is on the committee and makes the decisions on who is the head coach

His Nanna could be on the bench and want him sacked after that performance. Could any other team lose against 6 players?

South have rocks in their heads is Petty is re-appointed for next season. It has been discussed on here numerous times about his crazy court combinations and tonights game takes the cake. To lose to Centrals who only had 6 players after being in a winning position clearly shows he has no feel for the game nor does he know what his players are capable of. How many games have South been in a winning position this season only to then end up losing due to what can only be described as bizarre substitutions. It was unfortunate that Allmon went down with an injury tonight but that would be the time that you would think the coach would make sure he had the players out on the court to cover the loss and maintain the lead but sadly that was not the case and to then blast the players after the game(clearly audible from outside the changeroom) for the loss just proves the point that he has no idea. I would think for some players the end of the season cannot come soon enough.

Bet Brad Jonnek misses being at North.

Bet he is already getting his clearance ready to put in after next week

Don't be silly without Morris Mavs would be winless this season

But who will take him? His season has been a big disappointment

To user 750424 who said that Souths 18's should’ve played because they beat sturt. Realise that sturts star players are in America currently playing a tournament. Get facts before making obscure comments.

459 reckon 424 was talking about centrals blooding 18's last night rather than play with 6

You know facts and everything

Oops read that wrong. Even then still fucking obscure.

Have a look at boxscore for pioneers v Forestville. Basically they played with 6 as well. Who cares what Centrals did. They won! Isn't that what matters?

What's fucking obscure about having a bench with 18s player who would think would be in clubs future. Were close to only having 4 players on court with 1 fouled out and another on 4.
But Ricky would have know those kids treat the sudanese tournament as their Olympics, don't know why he didn't have others. Lucky Lual and Magok was there then. But bizarre from Centrals again, shows how their season has imploded. No discipline.

What's fucking obscure about having a bench with 18s player who would think would be in clubs future. Were close to only having 4 players on court with 1 fouled out and another on 4.
But Ricky would have know those kids treat the sudanese tournament as their Olympics, don't know why he didn't have others. Lucky Lual and Magok was there then. But bizarre from Centrals again, shows how their season has imploded. No discipline.

What happened to Sapwell? Don't think he's left Aus or anything

Wow south...... hoppo comes back 3 pts 9 minutes. No desire to be out there at all. Same goes with brad horrible shots being taken as well. Not many bright spots at south after last night disgraceful

Yeah jeez to go from a few games ago competing with eagles, tigers and norwood... to that is just very very sad. Nothing else to be said

souths coach has lost his players, only took 17 weeks

Sapwell could be good if his dad didn't pat his ego every two seconds making him think he’s gods gift to basketball.... centrals are not great just riewer is very talented shouldn’t be playing premier league... could be in a much higher quality league

I see all this hate for petty on here.... he might not be amazing but people need to hold the players accountable as well..... I don't mind their two point guards, Zach is very good, couple of good shooters aside from that it’s hopeless half of them don’t play any defence and take horrible shots on offence. It’s a two way street not just the coach

With the pioneers not having completed their minor round season have they secured top spot in the men's?

Excellent game and crowd last night.

I think the pioneers women team secured a finals spot in beating Forestville last night. Any guess as to what position they will finish?

People on here are really letting some of West's performances slide. Losses to Centrals, SOUTH and Eastern don’t look good at all for a squad that is pretty talented.

449 something learnt from colleagues and the point about coach accountability and respecting players as people not pawns in their coaching game. And 496 A coach can chose to let those players go or simply not play them and lose a game they had the lead in. Then it is also their responsibility to use their training and workshops to develop those deficiencies. Then there is individual work. Do you really think yelling and abusing people especially the young is going to get the best out of them and gain their respect for you. No ! There is passion and getting overly assertive then there is abuse. In any other setting it is abuse and you go to court or lose your job for workplace abuse bullying ir harassment. And if a player is not performing as in a workplace you should check if you have given them the correct training and then if you have give them warnings under a workplace policy and then eventually you fire them and employ someone else. Why is it that Sport and Schools continue to be a place where behaviour is tolerated and accepted that off the field/court or track and outside of school grounds would have dire consequences. It sickens me to think of the damage that is being done. And please don't talk about resilience. It is not resilience to teach our young that they have to take this abuse from someone and that an organisation of any kind has no responsibility to educate, coach or teach you. And then there is an association, club, business, leadership responsibility to help the coach, teacher, leader or whoever if they are displaying this behaviour as well and not allow them to further damage others and themselves. It is not in their best interest either. Is anyone reaching out to these coaches and saying the behaviours win or lose are not acceptable and also if they are okay. Why are they behaving that way. Do they need help with stress, support or education themselves and that may not be in coaching, it may be in how to teach, how to manage people, communication and conflict resolution. Too many coaches are just thrown in completely unprepared and don’t have all the tools and skills necessary beyond a knowledge of the game. That is not enough.

Sorry your son get yelled at last night. He'll live

Paragraphs?

Obviously a parent

That's come from a player I am betting, a south player

I'm told that the dates of the Sudanese tournament was only released last week, so everyone involved was put in a tough situation.

In saying that, I can't understand why Ricky didn't bring up u18s, but he and his team got the job done regardless.

Hmmm, I wonder who the Centrals 18 coach is???

The mavs are planning on playing south with 5 players next week

Those men, not boys, have been extremely unreliable in the past. Even so there should have been a couple more on the bench. At least a couple like most clubs that just sit there warming the bench hoping to get some garbage time. Centrals have had a lot of success in 18s for a few years now, apart from college kids where are they. Their 23s are terrible, even with the decline of that competition.
Will be interesting to see what penalties will be handed out. Who will come in or will they run with 6 again?

Anon, I'll rebut you. McLean is doing a solid job without a second import. I’m a West fan but the last few home games the men have been playing better together which was something they struggled with early on. The big import Shane might have hurt their chemistry. Truslove and Spud are over the hill and 20 mins a game for them is probably a little too much but they don’t have much else. A 6/7th spot finish is about round the mark for the squad they’ve had to battle with all year and there’s nothing wrong with that. Will be great to see all the guys back with two strong imports next season! Be positive!

Above post, too much commonsense for this site

Above makes a lot of sense, but with a passionate coach have the players tuned him out? Knows his x and o's, but with coaches that wear heart on sleeve sometimes the message wears thin after a few years, can only pump them up so much. Really missed a go to guard, Thomas is probably best all around guard but not a go to, take over a game type player. Unless they recruit a local big, do they go with 2 big imports or use one on a guard, Rennie and co have proven they're not starting material.

Possibly tuning coach out, the men seem different to years gone by. Thomas not playing with same fire as years gone past but still been very good. Rennie doing an admirable job for a young guy. Who is co you're referring to? Johnson still very young and so is Matthew Fauser. They need a few more years experience. They don’t have much off the bench. Need a good import shooting guard to open up the floor for the slashers and shooters.

Bullies protecting bullies by more bullying and harassing negative comments. SAD ! There is another way, it still involves passion and assertiveness but not abuse that wears down players and their families, friends and fans. Some chose a better life because it is out there. Some chose to stay because they are in a cycle where have been abused enough and see it all around them that they believe it is normal. Again thats sad.

Shut up you sook, already had your rant

When is Norwood Forestville catch up game for the men

Name the bully

Wednesday night

Whos the bully coach?

Based on this thread it sounds like Jamie lost his shit Saturday night

Talks of moving Corey on is pretty silly. He's a proven coach, one year removed from COTY and two years from a title.

A down year for sure but he’s also won two of the last five titles in this league.

And who gets coach of the year?

Petty won't

Given the circumstances leading up to the season, Richard Hill has done a pretty good job and should be a frontrunner for COTY.

Ricky Simpson will also get a look in.

Best 5:
Turnage
McVeigh
Deng
Barkley
Daly

Very tough to pick the next best 5 players though: de Wit and Riewer have manned the point well this year, and there still leaves Brine, Starling, Morris, Allmon and Mays (among others) in the front court.

Talk of whether or not Corey will step down is plain stupid. People have been so used to West going deep in the playoffs that one bad year causes panic. Agree with above, have to keep Thomas and Kubank at all costs. Not sure I agree that Valk Fauser and Johnson can be backbone unless they develop a bit more. If that's your backbone you’re looking at middle of pack contention. Thomas + Kubank + two good imports is enough to win you games in PL IMO.

Is there any truth to Norwood forfeiting the game on Wednesday. If so they should be removed from the finals and replace with the next best team.

#677. I think you will find McVeigh plays 3 and sometimes 2 for North. Never at 4

South just weren't smart in appointments on both side by all accounts. Bottom in the men and second to bottom in the women's comp doesn't really send a glowing endorsement of both coaches.

712, I wasn't listing by position, just picking the best 5.

Had they been listed by position, it's interesting that you find McVeigh at the 4 (which he plays at NBL level) more absurd than Barkley at the 2 though...

South have to many people involved at the club that in positions for themselves or their kids

Admittedly South's women are a million times better than last year, and I think Dickel by name, Dick by nature.
How can you surround Petty with experienced coaches, they should have got job in 1st place and maybe groomed him. All well and good watching Deano with best team money can buy from last few years. And although not knowing him well personally, don't think he has a clue even as assistant. Best thing he could have done is assist Mick at Woodville women's and learned from a legend, but Mick wouldn't have wanted him.
Someone that gets sack from Centrals 16 girls div 2 team becoming premier league coach is a great premise for an Adam Sandler movie, maybe a Billy Madison sequel!

666 I've heard rumours of a couple of players movements in the men’s comp. Some bench guys looking for opportunities and then a starter who wants out. Not to forget probably all of the south men’s team who will no doubt want a release.

considering souths reserves got beaten by a 6 man centrals team last night, who would want any of them

^^ Except for Allmon, who would have them?

Maybe Centrals so they have a bench!

I think if centrals can beat em without a bench, they wouldnt want them either

Just to give a breather really.

#954, what have you heard?

he has probably heard a bunch of disgruntled players who haven't had as much court time as they expected are going to look at getting a game elsewhere.

they will speak with coaches at other clubs, who will promise the world and not deliver and they will end up playing less time or not at all.

then there is the hired guns, that will auction themselves to the highest bidder, enter, southern, forrestville, norwood.

then there's the bench warmers that will just give up, some will go off and have successful employment careers, and others will end up in prison

His comments are actually hilarious and says what most people are thinking, I don't think he realises that he can be heard on camera hahaha

Ahhh, Norwood, another year older for their vets, no junior development with none on their way through. Wait for the big fall off in a couple of years. Wonder when Rojo will get the scapegoat card?

KB got rid of current coach as well but had enough of old guard and left, they couldn't wait to bring back a yes man and puppet. He knows his x and o's, just the players don't respect or even like him. Even back when they won title he was odd man out. Provided a lot of training and game plans but came down to Coops knowing how to coach men. But with his junior development deal with the club and being a patsy I can't see them moving him along for awhile.

Norwood handed the game to Forestville on a silver platter tonight by leaving B-Mo on the bench.
Thanks coach!
Why the hell is he not starting?

Weren't nwd just a little bit like a bunch of thugs under Cooper?

Hasn't he been really shit this year? Ex college teammate of player coach? Think that sums it up. Plenty of decent young import bigs that would've really given the inside presence they need but ego of player derailed it to get a job for mate. And puppet of coach went for it. But I could be wrong. More interest to me did Jordy do his job and waive towel good enough, that could be reason they lost.

998, yes they were.

its no secret that teams have discovered norwoods weakness and are exploiting it.

it is also no secret that bmo would make norwood much stronger as a unit.

there is no question in my mind that bmo is not only a much better off the bench player than andrew long, but also a better starter than daniel webber.

Cooper seemed like a decent nbl player and person. Disappointed with Norwood's physical / intimidatory style with him as coach. Seems like their current mob are attempting to run with that legacy? Is this typically the Norwood style of play?

On current form, recent bad losses to Nth, Soutern and For, Norwood wont get past the first round.

without some changes in their starting lineup, you are correct.