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Two months ago

Gems vs USA | FIBA U19 World Cup

The Gems tip-off their 2019 FIBA U19 World Cup campaign against #1 ranked USA.

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LC  
Two months ago

3:15pm AEST today

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Luuuc  
Two months ago

Just a cruisey one to ease into the tournament hey. Nice.

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Anonymous  
Two months ago

Butler wishing she brought more bigs. Brings 2 and plays them at the same time.

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Anonymous  
Two months ago

Motuga over anyone of Locandro, Hollingsworth, Cochrane seems like an odd last minute option with Hannan ruled ineligible.

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Anonymous  
Two months ago

Tight game, lots of turnovers and silly fouls in the first half.

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Anonymous  
Two months ago

ScanLon lost all her speed since u17s?

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Anonymous  
Two months ago

well this has been a bit embarrassing

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Anonymous  
Two months ago

Very unattractive third quarter...

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Anonymous  
Two months ago

Surprised they got that close.

BA reappointed Butler after there was a virtual player mutiny the last time she coached worlds.

US college scouts laughing at her complete incompetence. But there she is.

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Anonymous  
Two months ago

Hungary will be tough, Korea beat us at Asia champs too, but we had a couple of injuries.

6th last campaign with some questionable roster choices and playing style.
A much weaker competition this time round. Anything less than a medal and I see butlers international coaching career ending.
We just faced the favourites and we should meet them in the finals imo.

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ANON  
Two months ago

You have two experienced and championship winning assistant coaches yet Butler who has done nothing gets the head gig.... serious questions should be asked, especially after last time under her coaching style

Only player that looked like they should be there was Shelley, they all just play for themselves it seems
How can these girls attend the CofE and be viewed as our "future" Opals when they struggle to catch the ball and have absolutely no organisation on the floor
Let's hope they can finish better than this game fir the rest of the week

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Two months ago

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Anonymous  
Two months ago

USA's head coach comes across as an absolute moron. Between him and Butler, no wonder the game was so underwhelming to watch.

Either no structure or players aren't adhering to it, terrible decision making, poor shot selection, consistently gambling on defense. Just horrible.

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Anonymous  
Two months ago

Scanlon - pg
Shelley - sg
Nnopu - sf
Bourne - pf
Anstey - c

Our starting 5 needs to be changed..

Nnopu is not ready to play the 3, we can't have both bigs on at the same time, Scanlon was lost at sea.


I’d go with

Heal
Shelley
Goodchild
Nnopu or Potter
Anstey

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Anonymous  
Two months ago

Scanlon is a fucking 10/10 in the looks department though

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Anonymous  
Two months ago

Amoores toughness would have come in handy.
3 guard lineups are the way to go for these junior tournaments.

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LC  
Two months ago

Hungary vs Gems today...will need to bounce back quickly.

Watch - Australia vs Hungary

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Anon  
Two months ago

Scanlon 12pts 3reb 1asst 3to. That's your highest scorer. Not sure what the anon clown was referring to her as lost at sea.

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Andrea  
Two months ago

Anonymous must have been at a different game
You need to support young Aussies not criticise them
Sometimes in life you don't always get what you think is right
Which no doubt is Anons problem
Go Aussies

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Scout719  
Two months ago

Scanlon lost at sea ? Got be fkn kidding me, best defender in the team - she locked up Van Lith. At to top that she led the Australians in scoring, shooting 50% in a game were everyone else shot 27%. Wake up Anon!

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mother of all anons  
Two months ago

Chances that clown is the father of another guard in the team

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Anonymous  
Two months ago

In the first half apart from one 3 pointer she struggled to get it over half way. Maybe having only 2 outlets hugging the sidelines with no one in the middle with pressure on her caused her a lot of problems. Each time she had to force it through the middle resulting in multiple turnovers off her first pass or the following players pass because the u.s had 4 defenders on the perimeter. Her priority is to run the team first but her mentality is to run and gun. She is a much better option off the bench as an attacker against bench players, same as u17 level under seebohm or as a starter at sg beside heal or maybe Shelley. She is certainly one of our best defenders and put the most points up in that game but I wouldn't start her at pg unless she’s at sg. But that means you take Shelley off and she was the most comfortable against the u.s pressure.



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Anonymous  
Two months ago

Nothing wrong with having heal, Scanlon and Shelley all starting. Nnopu should be at the 4 and we need potter to back her up.

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Anonymous  
Two months ago

The duo of Scanlon and heal should be their starting guards. They've proven in the past they work really well together. Take note, Scanlon’s shooting has improved by leaps and bounds, I’d love to see her start as the main ball handler and then progress to a off ball shooter depending on the game situation.
Criticism for Scanlon after game 1 vs the best in the world is unjust especially after her performance amongst the uncomfortable nature of the game yesterday.

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Anonymous  
Two months ago

Another terrible starting lineup. Nnopu is a 4.
Goodchild, Scanlon, heal, Shelley. 3 should be starting..

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Anon  
Two months ago

I just feel like they are missing something. Another big maybe or another defensive presence and perimeter threat in a guard.

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Anonymous  
Two months ago

Amoore, locandro...

Seebohm must be watching and shaking his head about the defense.

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Anonymous  
Two months ago

Why so few minutes for Goodchild?

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Two months ago

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Two months ago

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Anonymous  
Two months ago

If we beat Korea, it looks like we will play Colombia in the round of 16.
They just beat germany for first ever WC win. Passionate team with a big 6'6 centre and a speedy 5’3 pg.

Then most likely Latvia in the 1/4s, heavily reliant on there 6’3 centre Meldere.

Spain in the Semis, better team than they had in euro qualification, will be a battle.

USA final. Rematch.

A good run home for us if we win tomorrow.

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Alpha  
Two months ago

They are missing Hannan - she plays really well with Bourne. Not sure what could be an issue with eligibility someone mentioned above. Also way too many guards with a similar skill set so very difficult to play them all. IMO Heal, Scanlon and Shelley should play bulk of the time, which means very limited minutes for Goodchild and D'Angelo. Goodchild is a good shooter but against long and quick defenders she will struggle one-on-one as it happened against USA so she needs some plays run for her as it's done at Duke. But then Potter is there, more athletic wing to take that role and so on...

Someone mentioned Scanlon and her speed - I'd say Americans were just quicker and stronger.

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Anonymous  
Two months ago

Hannan, seriously. That is too funny

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Red84  
Two months ago

Just saw the game - apologies for the late comment.

Anon751360 writes -
"In the first half apart from one 3 pointer she struggled to get it over half way. Maybe having only 2 outlets hugging the sidelines with no one in the middle with pressure on her caused her a lot of problems. Each time she had to force it through the middle resulting in multiple turnovers off her first pass or the following players pass because the u.s had 4 defenders on the perimeter. Her priority is to run the team first but her mentality is to run and gun."

This is a very good player, who I have seen create no end of trouble to good teams in the past.
The team setup was less than ideal - it made her life difficult, such that her decision to drive to the basket was often the best of a poor selection available.
Too many of our players were stuck on the sidelines; few cut directly towards the ball handler, resulting in float passes directed to the sideline that were hotly contested. The trailing big could have been found more by the guard as an outlet.

Separately, IMO, in offense against a settled US defense, our girls did not set enough on ball screens. Rather they passed and cut directly to the hoop, which the US girls were adept at intercepting/disturbing passes that did come in. Because US girls were intent on quick, aggressive close downs, they were susceptible to being pancaked by on-ball screens; creating space for a better quality shot or drive.
For mine, the big lessons from this game belong to the AU coaching staff, who need to rethink team setups.
The good news is that the form displayed by this US team was far from impressive - they can be beaten.

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Jick  
Two months ago

Talking about u/17s players' looks?? Shame on you.

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Anon  
Two months ago

Shelley is a good player for sure, but hell DeAngelo deserves court time, put the two up against each other and it would be a hard fought match, they need a better coach if they are going to be the USA, if they even get that far, USA are not that strong, Gems just had no organisation

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Anon  
Two months ago

Shelley is a good player for sure, but hell DeAngelo deserves court time, put the two up against each other and it would be a hard fought match, they need a better coach if they are going to be the USA, if they even get that far, USA are not that strong, Gems just had no organisation

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Red84  
Two months ago

I just hate that US coach - f**kin loud SOB. Judging by his over the top berating of US players in reaction to passage of good play by the Gems, I reckon we should target his composure if we get a chance to play the US again. Just do stuff to piss him off.
On the subject of composure -we need to be a lot louder, more physical and show a fair bit more swagger. Our girls looked a bit overawed by the occasion - especially in Q1 and again in Q3.

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Anonymous  
Two months ago

Just on that Shelley vs D'Angelo comment above. They grew up 20 mins apart and their local junior teams were rivals so they would have gone head to head a lot. From what I understand it was a bit of a wash and nothing in it but that was some time ago.

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Anonymous  
Two months ago

Who appointed butler in the first place?

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Anonymous  
Two months ago

Are you asking who first appointed her years ago after Goriss withdrew as head coach, or who re-appointed after it has become clear she isn't up to the job?

Probably similar forces at work sadly.

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Anonymous  
Two months ago

The second time obviously. Still have no idea why Horvat wasn't in that team despite be ping the best player in qualification at that time.

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LC  
Two months ago

Final pool game today versus Korea, live from 3pm AEST.

Watch | Gems vs Korea

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Anon  
Two months ago

"Just on that Shelley vs D'Angelo comment above. They grew up 20 mins apart and their local junior teams were rivals so they would have gone head to head a lot. From what I understand it was a bit of a wash and nothing in it but that was some time ago."

They play a different style, but are of equal standard, as for Butler as coach, that's the million $ question every asks, nepotism at its best nothing else, time they moved most of the BA dinosaurs on, Sterling in particular.

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Anonymous  
Two months ago

Lol, this is beyond terrible. Defense is woeful.

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Anon  
Two months ago

They beat this team in India by 20 the 2nd time right?

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Anonymous  
Two months ago

With all the injuries.

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Anonymous  
Two months ago

Need a complete clean out of the coaches at the COE. How can you spend years together and be this bad.

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Anon  
Two months ago

What was different in India?

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Anonymous  
Two months ago

2018 Team was

Shelley
Palmer
Goodchild
Hawea
Simons
Clarke
Nnopu
Motuga
Anstey
Hannan

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Anon  
Two months ago

#748 you are a moron, it was an even team performance, much more balanced starting 5 and you are blaming the COE coaches for what is obviously a personal selection decision that went against you made by the non COE coaches. How does it feel to be an Australian barracking against young Australian kids?

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Red84  
Two months ago

Gems got up against Korea 78-59. Will play loser of Columbia Vs Japan match later today in Ro16 stage.

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Anonymous  
Two months ago

How could anyone be so oblivious these days?
COE will absolutely kill you're game. Most of the players would have been better off going to ausa hoops in nsw, burnette in victoria or Rucker in qld and about other 10 trainers around the country.

The coe gives you opportunities, it doesn’t help you’re basketball very much.

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Anonymous  
Two months ago

Girls have been there for 3 years and still can't handle the ball or shoot it from the perimeter or make a free throw.

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Red84  
Two months ago

Gems V Korea was (IMO) ugly to watch. Gems committed 32 turnovers yet still won.

There is a serial error Aust junior teams commit when playing Japan and Korea.

Simply - we chronically underestimate the hand and foot speed of Japan/Korean defenders; our guards (notably) tend to think they can slide past a Japan/Korean defender with quick moves. Instead too often they turn the ball over
I think Aust is fortunate to play in the Asian region, against such varied opposition. Got to learn from past experience though....

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Anonymous  
Two months ago

http://www.fiba.basketball/world/u19women/2019/team/Australia

Look at the stats, fisker and potter shooting it at around 50% and everyone else at around 30% or lower.

Teams
Fg is 34%
3pters 30%
Ft 60%
20 turnovers a game.

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Anonymous  
Two months ago

Fowler and. Potter'

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Anon  
Two months ago

The 3 current COE kids didn't miss a foul shot and went 3/7 from the 3

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Anonymous  
Two months ago

Lol, you can't use just 1 line of stats.


COE averages
Shelley is 6/18 fg, 3/12 3pt, 6/10ft
Scanlon is 5/17, 4/10, 6/10
Bourne is 9/24, 0/3, 9/12
Nnopu is 1/10, 1/3, 6/6
Simons is 3/8, 0/2, 0/0
Heal is 5/15, 0/4, 4/6
Potter is 3/4, 4/8, 2/2

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Anon  
Two months ago

LMAO, how long since most of them were at the COE?, it is clearly a chip on the shoulder you are passionate about, one you feel strongly enough about that you barrack against young aussie kids, how sad.
Shelley for instance has played a Big V, WNBL and NBL1 season since leaving but you still blame the COE coaches.

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Anon  
Two months ago

so the current COE kids, which are the ones under the current coaches that you want sacked are 9/21 from the 3 and 14/18 from the line, very strong argument you have going there

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Red84  
Two months ago

Shelley is really good. Often has to intercede in offense with few seconds remaining and has to put up a rushed shot. Very calm - great composure. Heart of the problem is bringing the ball up the court with a minimum of distress. The number of times we see these floaty, slow passes, just asking to be intercepted.

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Anonymous  
Two months ago

What has current got to do with anything, if you've trained there for 3 years and still have little to show, it’s not working.

Look at the players who didn’t have the opportunity to go to the COE and are now or previously trained by private coaches.
You will see in time, kids/parents will realise that the COE(for the women) is not worth it. You will see a lot more kids getting privately trained and going through college recruitment services like tomlinson.

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Anonymous  
Two months ago

The top prospects I'm referring too...

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Anon  
Two months ago

#788 all these kids are more than competing against or playing with seasoned veterans in the NBL1 or in college and out performing all your non COE kids as a side note. Current has everything to do with it, you wanted a clear out of the COE coaches, they are the ones who are Currently coaching those 3 kids. You are trying to blame those coaches for what kids are doing when they are 18-19 compared to when they were 16-17 and at the COE (which by the way was beating the USA in the 17s). How is that reasonable, it is a bullshit tall poppy comment.
Keep digging a hole, you are clearly either a trainer or affiliated with a trainer or someone with their nose out of joint. Move on and just support the kids mate

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Anonymous  
Two months ago

The u17 gold medal winners were coached by Seebohm...
We won because we were organised not because our fundamental skills were better.
Same exact thing at uni games recently.

Atm, we still have poor fundamentals and a coach that cannot organise a team.
At this u19 level, we need both to win a gold.

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Anonymous  
Two months ago

Still looks like the path to the final is Colombia, Latvia, Spain, (USA)
Could make the final, even in our current form.

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Anonymous  
Two months ago

Well said, 789.

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Anon  
Two months ago


Anonymous
A couple of hours ago

The u17 gold medal winners were coached by Seebohm...
We won because we were organised not because our fundamental skills were better.
Same exact thing at uni games recently.

Atm, we still have poor fundamentals and a coach that cannot organise a team.
At this u19 level, we need both to win a gold.



Sorry but uni games were a joke, they won because they played a college team not a USA national team lol,

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Anonymous  
Two months ago

And the u17 USA n.t was a joke?

Only Full of top prospects like ...

Ododa(uconn)
Williams(uconn)
Henderson(South Carolina)
Dodson(stanford)
Brown(stanford)
Decosta(Baylor)
Brunelle(Notre dame)
Prohaska(Notre dame)
Prince(oregon)
Collier(Texas)
Mikesell(Maryland)
Bailey(North Carolina)

Some terrible schools they ended up going to, how could we lose?

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Anonymous  
Two months ago

As a parent of a young woman who is off to college I have huge sympathy for the parents and other interested parties posting on here. I know I want the best for my daughter, and it is often hard to make the best choices.

It is really hard to navigate your way through BV, BA and then the "trainers" and "scouts" trying to feed off your kids.

My advice is don't trust any of them, trust your instincts, and in particular keep your daughters away from the ones with criminal records.

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Anon  
Two months ago

Universiade USA women's team this year was Mississippi State, , a college team not the USA national team

JACKSON,R.
3 MATHARU,A.
10 YOUNG,J.
9 HOLMES,J.
23 SCOTT,B.
1 TAYLOR,M.
2 ESPINOZA-HUNTER
11 WEEKS-WIGGINS,
0 HEMINGWAY,J.
4 CARTER,J.
14 COOKS,S.
20 MORRIS,Y.

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Anonymous  
Two months ago

Maryland or something 2 years ago.

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Anonymous  
Two months ago

Mali came to play, flogged group a winners Latvia.

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Anonymous  
Two months ago

Great first half by the Gems. Funny how they play well and the forum is all quiet

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Anonymous  
Two months ago

It's not quiet, they are up 18 but have they been very poor. Haven’t read the live comments underneath the stream have you?

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Anonymous  
Two months ago

USA have also been very poor against Germany so far.

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Anonymous  
Two months ago

"Great first half by the Gems."

I guess we're watching two different games, or you equate a winning margin against a bad team with playing well.

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ANON  
Two months ago

Columbia's little guards are making the Aussie girls look pretty ordinary,

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Red84  
Two months ago

Well we have just let a 20 point margin slip to 9 pts over the course of 3Q. Turnovers does wonders for the morale of the opposition. Now all their 3s are going in. We should prevail - but we need to rejig the ball carrier assignments. Hoping a couple of players come good is a poor strategy - you have enough talent on the bench to adjust. Use them.

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ANON  
Two months ago

Butler use her bench ... lol

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Anonymous  
Two months ago

Nice to get the scrappy win but this is not coaching, no structure at all. I'm not sure how she got the job but a review is required.
I don’t hold much hope for the oceania team either with brown in charge.

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Anonymous  
Two months ago

Australia as a team for the game...

29% fg shooting
30% 2 pt shooting
25% 3 pt shooting
64% ft shooting
21 turnovers

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Anonymous  
Two months ago

Mali next, just a bigger Colombia. Malis post play is better but they don't have the same level of backcourt as Colombia.

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Anonymous  
Two months ago

"Great first half by the Gems. Funny how they play well and the forum is all quiet"

Speak up then.

I'm not directing hate towards the girls by the way. Many definitely need to be pulled up on their decision making, but there are enough talented selfless players on the roster to perform better than the team has so far. It's the coach's job to put it all together, and for successive campaigns we haven't seen it eventuate.

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Anonymous  
Two months ago

I've never seen a coach sit in the chair for 1/2 the game during open play.

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Red84  
Two months ago

I enjoy watching this team and wish them the best. The girls are real fighters and a credit to the nation.

Agree - we are not playing anywhere near our potential. We have yet to see an inspired performance in this tournament - where they play at an elevated level - that this team is capable of.

But right here, right now - it has to start with the coach making players accountable and addressing our turnover problem.

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Anonymous  
Two months ago

Good to see Pauline Hanson's supporting women’s basketball.

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Red84  
Two months ago

Bit unclear but your remarks suggest that Hanson has appropriated the word "nation" and therefore can no longer be used in general usage.

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Anonymous  
Two months ago

CoE has a lot to answer for. Current coach clearly not up to it on an experience angle. I know college is a factor, but remember when the AIS women's used to play wnbl? Now they are bottom of the nbl1/SEABL.

A lot of girls gone through currently did not improve much more if at all than if they had have stayed home. Anstey a good example. Knocked back her spot and stayed in Melbourne and arguably better for it.

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Anonymous  
Two months ago

Players need strength and conditioning training, but for some it goes too far. Naturally lean girls are having to put on too much muscle mass which has hindered many of there best attributes.
Way too many injuries occurring at the COE because of it. Several in the past few years.

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Anonymous  
Two months ago

Yes turnovers is a small problem, but for me its the amount of shots within 8 feet we miss. In that Columbia game we missed way to many lay-ups (30% FG is poor I would think, given most of our missed shots were inside the paint), and lets not talk about foul shots (64% isn't great).

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Anon  
Two months ago

Who hasn't improved coming out of the COE? No argument just wanting to know as I’m not too familiar with it all and what injuries have there been lately among the girls?

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Anonymous  
Two months ago

Australian tournament averages so far....

32.9% fg shooting
34.1% 2 pt shooting
29% 3 pt shooting
65.1% ft shooting


69.3 pts a game
62.5 rebounds a game
13 assists a game
7.3 steals a game
3.8 block shots a game
20.8 turnovers a game
17.5 fouls a game


Absolutely crazy numbers.
Avg
15+ rebounds every qtr and only 3 assists a qtr. a turnover almost every 4 possessions.

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Anonymous  
Two months ago

Nnopu not having a great tourney on offense.

2/20 fg
1/16 2 pt
1/4 3 pt
But shoots 10/10 from the ft lol.

Heal and Shelley both shooting less than 26% accumulative.

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Anon  
Two months ago

The COE girls won 6 of their last 9 and were upto their eyeballs in all games but a couple but do play even court time in the name of development. They come down and play triple headers and to the girls and coaches credit won all 3 close games in their last triple header so there is clearly a developmental strategy with how they approach things and clear improvement in learning how to win at that level. The boys won 2 more games and if you look at the spread of minutes they play two to three main kids in order to get them over the line. Injuries is interesting, like any AFL club workloads are determined by sports science not the coaches so you are up the wrong tree. Clearly the assists and post entry FG% numbers are down in this tournament, the team is not dealing with the D collapse well at all, rather than the easy give they try and push through 3 people, so you do have to look at the coaches instruction there

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Lorenzo  
Two months ago

There seams to be a lack of TEAM to their ofence.
Looking to score themselves in non open looks.
Possibly due to coach's substitutions and team structure not suiting the players that are there.
I think though its lack of positional play.
Watch European teams or Japan/Korea usage of space with ball movement.
Maybe COE doesnt do enough work on team offence.
The girls are working hard on defence and rebounding so desire is there.

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Anonymous  
Two months ago

The games i have watch the gems are working through set offense moving the ball from one side to the other. Sharing the ball around but no one really looking a threat. Then suddenly there is 5 sec on the shot clock and a turnover occurs or a forced shot. Thus turnovers are high and shooting percentages are low. If they take the early open shots or penetrate and create the players will play more freely. They compete well on the offensive rebounds so taking early open shots not a bad thing.

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Lorenzo  
Two months ago

I agree.
Fast break should be more of an option,you can still get open shots from it aka Japan and early penetration and dish to see what happens before running set offense.
Something is stifling their flow,they look unsure of themselves.

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Anon  
Two months ago

You do have to wonder whether the assistants are being heard, the coach of Geelong has two of his main players in the team and has shown he is more than capable of exceptional ball movement with his team this year; those same two kids are struggling with the current team play

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Lorenzo  
Two months ago

I think they'll beat Mali with their hustle and rebounding and overall experience but Spain will give them a lesson in how to play offence.
Then we'll get the same lesson from Japan for a fourth place finish.
If they find a flow next game we could medal,I hope so.
Doing us all proud but coach needs to settle on her lineup and rotations.

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Anonymous  
Two months ago

It's a bit if a weird situation, we have a decent team that is not playing well at all but still winning.
A lot of upsets in qualification for the WC (No france- u17 runners up, Italy-current euro champs and Russia-2017 winners) and several injuries to key players for other teams at this WC has left this tournament wide open.

We may progress to the final, I just hope that BA look deeper and realise that the current coaching lineup is in need of a change.

Atm, it looks asthough Redford for the boys and brown for the girls will take reigns for the next u19 campaign as they are both in charge of the oceania squads coming up in a couple of months.

Also, when you look at the current international rosters, several of the bigger teams have a lot of 02 players already which means they are eligible for the next u19s in 2021.

When you look at our potential squad, we have very few quality 02s. Potter is the only 02 in this squad and the only other 02 around the squad who has played at this level is Melbourne who was apart of the u17s. All the other 02s have not been exposed to this level of basketball but there are a few prospects at the coe but those players have hardly proved themselves at state level. Atm, they are just prospects.
We could see a lot more bottom agers in the next squad and currently there are only 2 03s at the coe with 2 more coming in. One of which is just another prospect.

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Anonymous  
Two months ago

The oceania squad for next u19 campaign is

02 5'10 J.Melbourne(COE) / 03 5’7 K.Deeble(QBL)
02 5’11 N.Notoa(QBL) / 03 5’10 S.Swain(COE)
02 6’1 G.Potter(COE) / 03 6’1 P.Price(COE)
02 6’3 O.Pollerd(COE) / 03 6’1 C.Dunn(NBL1)
02 6’5 K.Rees(COE) / 03 6’2 M.Prior(COE)

A good squad, will be Interesting to see how they develop over 2.5 years.

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Anon  
Two months ago

I reckon it will be

02 5'10 J.Melbourne(COE) / 03 5'7 K.Deeble(QBL)
03 6’1 P.Price(COE) / 03 5’10 S.Swain(COE)
02 6’1 G.Potter(COE) / 03 6’1 C.Dunn(NBL1)
02 6’3 O.Pollerd(COE) / 02 5’11 N.Notoa(QBL)
02 6’5 K.Rees(COE) / 03 6’2 M.Prior(COE)

The majority played together in those positions apart from Potter who was with the current 19s, it is a tall, long athletic starting group and the bottom agers Deeble and Swain have some serious speed and all 10 had pretty good numbers last nationals. a lot of kids that can play positionless basketball and have handles so our current weakness on the ball should be overcome with height and length

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Anon  
Two months ago

How does that squad size up to the previous U17s team?

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Anonymous  
Two months ago

Not sure if they will all remain in that team through the full journey but it's a nice squad to build from.
The other 2 roster spots after oceanias are wide open. I could see Puoch as an 04 potentially making it. Another possible 6’2-6’3 Combo forward who can defend on the perimeter.
Another big too in Sewell, Dunlop or wise seem the only options There was a 6’5 girl in sa metro who showed a lot of potential but may have switched sports, I’m not sure. I know the name but she hasn’t been listed on any BA team lists so I won’t name her.

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Anonymous  
Two months ago

The first u17 oceania team in 2017 was

01 5'6 S.Heal / 00 5’6 J,Mcdowell-White
00 5’9 M.Goodchild / 00 5’9 C.Gould
00 5’11 C.Dangelo / 00 6’0 E.Clarke
00 6’1 M.Puli / 00 6’1 G.George
00 6’2 I.Bourne / 00 6’4 D.Rees

You can see how much it changes over 2 years.

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Red84  
Two months ago

To Anon113 - I generally agree with the selections except...
...with the deficiencies we see in the ball handling department fresh in mind, I think we need to ask - should we not have someone in the team who is a bullet proof ball handler? They may not be the best shot; they may not make the best decisions. The role they fill is to inject that bit of skill and composure so that the ball can move up the court when the team is subject to a press.

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Anonymous  
Two months ago

Who would that be though,...

Henderson - nsw metro, Hanafin and Fakalata - vic metro, Crawford - tasmania

Not a whole lot too choose from in 02/03.
Am I missing someone who wasn't in camp?

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Red84  
Two months ago

I won't mention names - these are still young girls and I anticipate some will read their names in forums such as this and get put off the game by any criticism they receive. Paid coaches/administrators are fair game IMO.

That said, I speak to structure and function. The need to have quality options on the bench that a coach can draw upon to handle a problem the team encounters on court.

As the rapist (and sometime boxer) Mike Tyson once said "Everybody has a plan until you get punched in the face" - ie you can plan all you want for a battle, but once it starts, things get so chaotic so quickly that you better to forget the plans have the capacity to adapt to the situation.

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Anonymous  
Two months ago

Names that have already been on public notice boards do not count, they are the players listed by BA for this upcoming tournament and there are no criticisms here but in fact praise. Making an Australian camp is not easy.

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Anonymous  
Two months ago

Bulletproof ballhandler is a nice idea but we have to develop them somewhere. There is no need for kids within Aus to develop their ball handling to that level as there is not enough good on-ball defence played in the full-court. We seen full-court zone pressure, but that means someone is open so it can be beaten with passing. How often do we see a defender who can regularly pick pockets 1v1 in the open floor? Without that, there is no impetus to be able to handle that sort of pressure.

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Anonymous  
Two months ago

I'm pretty sure the starting 5 will be

Melbourne-PG
Swain-SG
Price-SF
Potter-PF
Rees-C

Asia it will change, I don’t think you’ll see Rees start against a korea or Japan. The quickness of feet and ball movement is too much for players that tall.

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Anon  
Two months ago

I think Deeble in that squad is your bullet proof ball handler from the bench as a go to in the current side; worked her way up from the bench in Oceania u15 to be the main point guard and she doesn't take that extra bounce or the little bit of me time dribbling that the current guards are doing.
IMO watching the games the guards are allowing opposition D to get back and organised and 2. running down the shot clock resulting in crap shots and reduced fg% that everyone is talking about and 3. not doing this but being assertive gives you the transition that the team is currently lacking and exactly why Japan are so good at it.
Teams with international height guards don't struggle as much as they can actually see over the small guards IMO and from what i saw at Nationals i reckon Hanafin is the best option once they go to 12, she is nearly 6ft and anyone who plays guard in Vic will encounter a press every single game and is conditioned to it.Agree that either Puoch or the similar girl from NSW (not sure of her name)would be outside chances

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Red84  
Two months ago

To Anon 129 - I am not suggesting you are writing anything out of order. I just outlining my personal code that's all. IMO being named on a BA list does not alter the fact that the people behind the names are minors.

And - unfortunately social media being what it is, and the idiotic behavior it attracts...'nuf said. Let's just agree to disagree on this point and move on.

To Anon 133 - yes, I agree that it is a process to develop bullet-proof ball handlers, which is hard to engineer. I expected a comment that beating a press requires good passing. Of course.

What strikes me about the current U19 team, is the strong overlap of player type between the 1s and 2s. I would like to see more diversity in player capability in the team. Get the ball up the court with modest stress, you will halve the rate of turnovers we have recently seen, and deny our opponents those motivational moments that take place when a turnover occurs. Not all play action on the court has equal consequence. If your #1 buckles to pressure and turns the ball over - it gives rise to serial correlation - in other words, it tends to spark a run against you, as we saw in 3Q in the Colombia game.

And - unfortunately - we have seen 1v1 pick pocketing in this tournament against Aust, which reflected deficiencies in ball handling technique. That's why I focus on ball handling here because I think we have players who would not let that happen.

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Two months ago

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Anonymous  
Two months ago

The starting five for the U19s has basically been the starters for the U17 World Cup. Would anyone just start that whole 5?

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Anonymous  
Two months ago

Certainly our ball handling skills and passing need to be improved. That is the COEs job and something they have to rectify. Why are japan so good and we are so bad? Because they have to combat opponents size and they work on it alot.
Those who have gone to a private trainer in s.e Melbourne are far superior to those who have come out of the COE.

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Anonymous  
Two months ago

The starting 5 for the U17 WC team was

Heal-PG
Palmer-SG
Potter-SF
Nnopu-PF
Anstey-C


Heal has not been starting at u19s. It has been Scanlon.
Palmer is injured.
Potter is playing pf, not sf.
Nnopu is playing sf, not pf.
Anstey is the only one who is in the sameposition.

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Anonymous  
Two months ago

I thought Palmer just didn't get selected. Wasn’t aware she was injured.

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Anonymous  
Two months ago

Palmer was injured and Hannan was ineligible.

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Anon  
Two months ago

Everyone of the ball handlers has been picked off numerous times, guards from NBL, NCAA and NBL1.
I am not a coach of anything more than domestic but why isn't the coach recognising this and getting a big to the middle or whatever else you do to combat these things.
I think some including our main guard at the U17s have had their papers stamped by the coach after the USA game.
Palmer is a huge out, she backs herself and has a drive through gaps mindset, but they are winning ugly so that is a good sign

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Anonymous  
Two months ago

I think Amoore is a huge out also along with locandros length and foot speed. Not as good of a rebounder as Anstey bout she changes more shots.
Amoore is just gritty and tough, finds a way.

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Anonymous1485  
Two months ago

If Amoore and Palmer were considered maybe our defense would be better do you think??!

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Alpha  
Two months ago

What was the issue with eligibility? Not a citizen???

One of the anon posts did not rate Hannan highly but I watched her play along Bourne and they worked really good together. The same thing we see now with Fowler and Bourne.

It is really surprising that D'Angelo is getting very minimal or no court time. Not sure why Butler does not rotate them all in the first half, seems like she keeps sticking with the same group.

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Anon  
Two months ago

how was Hannan not eligible? what are the rules that make a kid ineligible? i thought she must have been required by her college

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Anonymous  
Two months ago

I'm not sure what the deal was with Hannan, replaced late on by Motuga.

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aNONYMOUS  
Two months ago

Injury maybe?

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Alpha  
Two months ago

And Amoore is definitely one of the best ball handlers in this group, I think she has been injured too.

Locandro will need plenty of time to get back to where she was 2 years ago. Watched her play in NBL1 and she wasn't ready, hope she finally starts playing injury free.

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Anonymous  
Two months ago

Amoore is a great defender, Palmer is good but not as good as Shelley on d. Better on offense though.

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Anonymous  
Two months ago

Alot of those kids are in preseason college already, 38 Australian freshman girls preparing for 19/20.

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Anonymous  
Two months ago

Better offensively, really?

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Anonymous  
Two months ago

The 00/01 was pretty deep, just some of those that missed out.

Amoore
Mcdowell-white
Hurst
Andrews
Kirisome
Palmer
Gould
Porter
Ayres
Hawea
L.Hollingsworth
Rose-Deegan
Gordon
Clarke
Puli
Hank
E.Hollingsworth
Locandro
Fuller
Hannan
Rees
Bayliss
Cochrane

Lots more.

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Anonymous  
Two months ago

Yes Palmer is better offensively than Shelley, no question.

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Anonymous  
Two months ago

I'm disappointed that we can’t see the Heal and Palmer combination. They work well together. Along with Nnopu.

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Anon  
Two months ago

Get rid of Butler as coach, that would be the best starting point.
IMO we shouldn't need the CofE as a place a few select athletes chosen by individual preference or their connection to certain surnames , spend their junior years, some even hang around for years after, it should be used purely to hold camps that can encompass a larger selection of athletes from every state.
Increase the selection pool, as it stands now their are better athletes sitting at home that won’t ever get selected into a national squad because they have not had the opportunity to live at the CofE.
It doesn’t benefit these kids, they have only each other to play against, their main activities are shooting and strengthening, so many young athletes have been injured physically and mentally with the institutes fixation on things like skin folds and strength for some, yet others are over looked.
It’s not a healthy environment, but it’s a guaranteed lock for National squads.

This group certainly has some talent but poor coaching and not using alll the players is making it harder than it should be

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Anonymous  
Two months ago

When there are 5 nbl1 conferences, there should be 5 conference COE teams. 5 coaches, plus assistants and skill training, 12 players who are best in state, all u19 kids only focusing on junior development and national selection.
Kids no longer stay away from there parents because they are chosen from the state (except for those maybe in tasmania, act and nt) and 5 times as many players get to develop against senior players.

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Lorenzo  
Two months ago

Now that's the best idea I've heard today!!!

BUT

Would they then be funded by state associations?

I think BA should pay for that.

Imagine the depth we'd then have and kids should not be missed if they're good enough by this system.

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Anonymous  
Two months ago

They could easily be apart of the states npp program. Sure a small cost but no where near the cost of coming down to vic and tas every other weekend from the ais. They would not be missing out on family gatherings etc anymore at such a young age.

10-11 players per position would be getting developed every 2 to 3 year cycle. The same cycle from u15 to WC u17s or u17s to WC u19s.

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Random  
Two months ago

Ridiculous. If the CoE is such a bad concept then why are countries all over the world trying to replicate it? Why have the NBA invested so heavily in the CoE if it isn't a success. Maybe your own kids just aren't as good as you think they are?
Kids make Nationals teams over kids from the CoE from time to time - look at the recent Emus with Leupepe and Macdonald.
The CoE isn't about trying to develop Gems - it's about trying to develop Opals so from time to time a kid who is not as advanced skill wise will be selected to the CoE due to potential. That's the whole point of the program.

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Anonymous  
Two months ago

The men's program is different, you can’t compare the two.

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Anonymous  
Two months ago

Global academy train alongside the coe.

No global academy for women, only 1 player who was apart of coe.
The women don't travel every month or so to play against other academies.

It is vastly different, the facility is excellent with access to everything that is needed for an athlete.
Does it make you a better prepared athlete, yes it does. Does it make you a better player, debateable. Few thrive there and alot of players go backwards.

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Anon  
Two months ago

I think it is interesting that people on this forum say that these kids go backwards, i would be willing to bet that they are one of the following.
1.Parents of kids not chosen
2.Trainers who are losing $ by these kids going and also the social media use of that kids image
3. People who have a gripe with someone at the COE whether it is coach or otherwise or who have been sacked by them at some point.
4. Coaches or clubs who lose that player from their system even though the majority of clubs and coaches i am sure would see it as a badge of honour.
In other words it is always someone or somebody who has something to lose from these kids going up there.
The kids go from competing against other kids to seniors who quite often are current or ex imports, Opals and Opals squad members in the blink of an eye and get judged like they are still playing juniors by people with an axe to grind.
One of the current COE kids played in the classic against her own age group and absolutely dominated, it is a load of crap what jealous or disgruntled people come up with

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Anonymous  
Two months ago

What do you put the terrible dribbling, passing, shooting, defense down as?
Just the coach?

1 bad game, fair enough. 4 straight poor performances is very worrying.

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Anon  
Two months ago

So they are playing badly in your opinion at a World Cup which by definition is the best in the world. You then judge these kids playing against the best in the world as if they were playing rep on a friday night. Can you see my point?
All these kids dominate nationals and not all of these kids are COE currently and the ones that were never COE are also missing shots etc so it makes no sense it is not a fair comparison. The USA kids have nearly all committed to High Major NCAA Programs but you commentate and compare them to u18 kids on a friday night.
Makes NO sense. Maybe the team just aren't the best in the world, maybe the will be, it is irrelevant you are not comparing apples and apples

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Anonymous  
Two months ago

How many players have gone through the system over the last 20 years, how many have been any good. There is a lot politics in it and not all selected are worthy.

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Anon  
Two months ago

what is your definition of any good? most Aussie NBA and WNBA players have been through there, Most kids going to high majors have been through there, of course there will be good players who miss, 15 doesn't fit into 12, like any side from Aust down to kids at rep level. Stewie McGill behind Warney comes to mind, wrong place wrong time sometimes, that is life

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Anonymous  
Two months ago

#300, Cringe...

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Anonymous  
Two months ago

Don't let Kone have the ball and we should win.

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Anonymous  
Two months ago

People can see flaws in a system without having a grudge or agenda. I don't think kids go backwards at the COE but I do think it's fair to suggest that given the resources available and the situation they're in, they don't consistently progress in the way that you would hope. A lot of the COE's success comes down to having had the best players in the first place. Given that sort of a headstart, you would expect them to dominate the contribution to development of Opals and Boomers.

It is impossible to know how successful the COE is, because you have no control group. Maybe the injured kids were going to be more severely injured before the COE got hold of them, because they've been overloaded from a young age and that's why they're so good. Maybe they were going to be fine. Maybe the kid who missed out and worked with a private trainer had a chip on their shoulder, worked harder, and improved more. Maybe if that same kid had been at the COE, they would have taken the spot as an indication that they had 'made it' and coasted.

The COE's monopoly is increasingly being diluted on the boys' side. The list of future possible or probable Boomers who have had nothing to do with the COE just keeps getting longer. Simmons, Deng Adel, Josh Green, Makur Maker. As these guys prove that there are viable or even superior alternatives to develop your game to pro level, how will the COE respond? How do they justify the cost of the program if we are not consistently winning junior worlds medals and they are no longer producing a majority of senior national team players?

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Anonymous  
Two months ago

Bravo... nice one 311.


Having a coe in all conferences or leagues will help our development exponentially, other prospects won't be left out as much and hopefully there is more focus on skill development. Hopefully the nbl1 and BA can get together and make that happen.

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Red84  
Two months ago

It is not constructive to paint criticism of current CoE system as reflecting malevolent motives which can be discounted. "Move on folks, nothing to see here"

I have no ax to grind. I am open to the idea of state based CoE teams competing in state leagues because I am open to any idea that improves performance.

A state based system should widen the net, allowing late bloomers to be spotted. Potentially it could expand opportunities for competition at an elite level. Good for revealing players but also needed to test coaches and their strategies.

I study decision science with a particular interest in why do smart people make dumb decisions.

Organizational dysfunction is amplified by centralization - because it provides fertile ground for strong personalities to dominate. And egos, unfortunately, can be immune to evidence.

What would appear to be a great strategy and setup that may work at regional level but may fall apart when exposed to a higher level of competition.

It is a test of temperament - does the failing coach double down, or have the judgment and flexibility to adjust?

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Random  
Two months ago

Having a CoE in every state still results in...centralization in each state. Just with lesser talent levels. The current National CoE women are competitive in the State competition. I wonder how state based CoE would go in each respective state based competition....

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Anonymous  
Two months ago

you Telling me they can't field a solid team of 10-12 in each state with the best u19 kids over a 3 year cycle(3 age groups) 16-19y.os
It’s basically your states and another’s u20 team entered into the conference and the talent is getting deeper every year.

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Random  
Two months ago

Yep - that's what I'm telling you.

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Red84  
Two months ago

I'm sure there are data points that can help us assess - for example - practice games - say a junior metro team vs a state league team. Last month I witnessed a game where NSW metro (U16, yes U16) beat the leading Waratah state league team in a practice match by 1pt.

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Red84  
Two months ago

Thanks Random who writes - "Having a CoE in every state still results in...centralization in each state."

This point is pedantic - when you define a geographic region and state that one club exists in that region, you are centralizing.

What you miss is that 5 CoEs means a close look at a wider set of players (around 80 vs 14-16 now); and a close look at 5 sets of coaches. There is competition at 2 levels - within the state leagues, and between the state CoEs.

Do consider the situation of talented country athletes. I would wager that our loss rates of talent in the country regions are probably higher than in metro, and that one reason for that is lack of opportunity. Sure they can play for a regional club and be ignored. But play for a state CoE, which everyone knows will be looked out - that will prove much more attractive. And moving from say - Kalgoorlie to Perth is more doable for many than say Kalgoorlie to Canberra.

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Anonymous  
Two months ago

Too much talent coming through not to. Just look at the recent future development teams etc that some states have released. A lot more stacked than previous years.


A south east conference coe as 01/02/03 born would currently look something like

From vic
Scanlon, Melbourne, Price, Potter, Rose-Smith, Nnopu, Pollerd, Dunlop, Sewell, Add maybe Fakalata(u17), Dunn(u17)
From tas
Wise, Add maybe Crawford(u17)

Atm Fakalata is on the end of the bench at Nunawading, and dunn at Knox.

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Anonymous  
Two months ago

Sorry and dunlop(u17) is on bendigos bench.

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Anonymous  
Two months ago

The best players aren't always chosen because the coe players are a given

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Anonymous  
Two months ago

The COE should consider all good players not just the coe
Make everybody earn their place!

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Anonymous  
Two months ago

Better last qtr by the girls. Congrats on making the semi.
Will need to go up another gear though.

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Anonymous  
Two months ago

25/71
35.21% fg

17/43
39.53% 2s

8/28
28.57% 3s

5/13
38.46% ft

A slight improvement on last game but still below par.
4 less turnovers also.

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Anon  
Two months ago

they say a win is a win, but that was abysmal, they should have beaten that team by a huge margin if you want to hang a hat on the fact Australia has the CofE that "other countries want to have" that was nothing short of terrible.
But is it a player issue or coaching, I'd say the latter, potter kept them in that game , why is a player like D’Angelo getting splinters on the bench, Butler standing on the sideline with her hand over her mouth like she hasn’t got a clue, and looks like Herbert and Brassard have lockjaw, I have yet to see them even look like they have any input.

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Red84  
Two months ago

I only saw the last half and I thought they played alright. Interesting that it was Potter's 3s that kicked us clear in 3Q. Potter just relishes an open 3 look.

I think we dribble and drive too much; and when we drive, we overdo it, bring on an unfavorable size mismatch, or have the ball swiped away. I know it is the fashion - but I don't like it. Yet to see a pick and pop. Always rolling.

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Anonymous  
Two months ago

It gets worse...

http://wnbl.com.au/melbourne/news/launch-of-the-melbourne-boomers-academy/

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Anonymous  
Two months ago

I thought Bourne was very good along with Fowler

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Anon  
Two months ago

The boomers academy is a money maker, but better than nothing at all for girls, so many camps are purely for boys, I'd say this initiative is needed.

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Anonymous  
Two months ago

We should beat Spain in the semi I reckon, 2 of there best players out to focus on a different tournament and an injury to their starting guard last game.
Have looked very slow against china so far.
Think it will be a usa vs aus final. Belgium unlucky to finish on other side if draw.

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Anonymous  
Two months ago

The issue with state-based centres of excellence is cost and funding. You could have 5:
Vic/Tas
NSW/ACT
WA/NT
SA
Qld
And sure, talent is centralised at those centres, but it's definitely decentralised relative to the current situation. There are a huge number of upsides to that model.

There's no way to pay for it.

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Anonymous  
Two months ago

The conferences would be

Qld/nt - rumours are next season to be nbl1 north.
Nsw/act - maybe 1-2 season away. (Central or East)
Vic/tas - already nbl1 south east
Sa - rumours are 1-2 seasons away (south)
Wa - rumours are 1-2 season away (South west or west)

A lot less funding required when you take out facilitie. No flight travel costs, no accomodation costs, lots of other small expenses will be gone.
The state may chip in, but it won't cost much more and you end up developing 60-70 plus girls instead of 12-15.

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Anonymous  
Two months ago

The competition costs would reduce dramatically, sure. But are you proposing that they not be run as residential programs? How do NT, Cairns or Townsville kids train for a Brisbane-based Qld program? How do Albury, Dubbo and Port Macquarie kids train for a Sydney-based NSW program?

They would still have to be residential programs and that means you have to pay full-time coaches to run them and you need somewhere to house, feed and train the kids. If they're not residential programs, they're not 'regional,' they're restricted to residents of our biggest cities, at the expense of country basketball.

I'm all for improving the COE model but there's not much point suggesting that we hire Steve Nash as head coach and Adam Silver as CEO.

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Anonymous  
Two months ago

You are right there would be some that would have to move, maybe staying at a metro based player home or not at all.
History shows that few players come from those regions anyway and if they do they tend to travel far to associations in metro areas.
It is only a small percentage that would be effected by travel distance. Maybe all of those regional ones from all over the country are the kids that take up accomodation at the ais..

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Anon  
Two months ago

So when's the next game and is it against Spain

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Anonymous  
Two months ago

Yes tomorrow at 8pm aus Eastern time.

Looks to be belgium v USA in the other semi.

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Colours  
Two months ago

What tournament are the missing Spanish girls playing, 445?

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Anonymous  
Two months ago

They just came off euro u18s the week before. Maybe Injuried or overloading. Top 3 in that squad we're not chosen.

Seems like every team had injuries except for belgium.

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Anonymous  
Two months ago

Belgium and Us, we have no injuries

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Anonymous  
Two months ago

Palmer and Hannan...

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Anon  
Two months ago

Anyone have the link for today's game

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Anonymous  
Two months ago

No one does unless you have Kayo subscription. BA screwed us aussies.

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Anonymous  
Two months ago

Basketball Australia becoming the ffa. Incompetent...

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ANON  
Two months ago

Go via pickandroll they have link or via YouTube fibaun19 womrn

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Anon  
Two months ago

D'Angelo no minutes still

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Anonymous  
Two months ago

"The uploader has not made this video available in your country."

What is this shit??

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Anonymous  
Two months ago

Someone purchased the rights to the game so you are forced to sign up to kayo sports.
Essentially they are making money of junior kids games.
Fox have done it multiple times. It's disgusting.

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Mimas72  
Two months ago

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y5XxTWYiKaw

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Anonymous  
Two months ago

Into the final... congratulations.
Never seen a team make the final on tournament avg 29% shooting

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ANON  
Two months ago

Why take these players away and not use them, shooting % is terrible

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Lorenzo  
Two months ago

Awesome effort to get to final,well done.

When is Fox showing the finals.

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Anonymous  
Two months ago

we make the Gold medal game and still you complain. smh

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Anonymous  
Two months ago

you can get a free 14 day trial on kayo btw

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Anonymous  
Two months ago

I think belgium can test the U.S

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Lorenzo  
Two months ago

Looks like on Fox between 10-12 in the morning

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Anonymous  
Two months ago

10.20pm on mine

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LC  
Two months ago

No notice from FIBA or BA is poor form.

The Pick and Roll had a Facebook Live post scheduled for game time as arranged directly with FIBA and without advice it appears to have been removed, while YouTube stream was geo-blocked.

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Anonymous  
Two months ago

Watching paint dry would shoot better than 29% and be more interesting

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Anonymous  
Two months ago

Down to the wire with usa vs belgium.

Belgium going to be a handful at senior level for the next decade..

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Anonymous  
Two months ago

USA win late.

They look tired, hopefully we can frustrate them.

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Anonymous  
Two months ago

Do you need Kayo to watch final?

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Perthworld  
Two months ago

I posted a thread on how to get Kayo free for three months:

https://www.hoops.com.au/forum/45558-2019-fiba-world-cup-how-to-watch-for-free-legall/

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Red84  
Two months ago

Perhaps consider using a VPN. Pipe the feed through Asia, you should pick up the game on youtube.

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!  
Two months ago

it's on Foxtel.

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Anonymous  
Two months ago

Belgium are going to pommel Spain.

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Anonymous  
Two months ago

Is it time for some of the hatters on here to give it a rest? If the COE and BA program and their selections are so bad why do we keep achieving results in the junior women that is only bettered by the US.

When you look at the last 3 campaigns for each of the Sapphires, Gems and Uniroos we have won 3 Gold medals and playing for another one tonight (Sapphires 2016 and back to back Uniroos) and 2 Bronze medals (Sapphires and Gems). After tonights game despite the result we will have medalled in 6 out of 9 championships. Digging deeper we have won 49 games and only lost 9 games in 9 championships.

I personally think that the program that BA run is exceptional and while some people will get upset when their daughter or friend doesn't get picked the results speak for themselves.

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Anonymous  
Two months ago

They Certainly need to improve the program.
Not being able to dribble, pass, shoot at a decent level after 3 years of day to day training shows that the training they provide is not working as much as it should do. We may be better drilled in running plays and set pieces. We may have better endurance than a lot of other teams too.
What is clear, the kids that go to private trainers are overtaking those at the coe, skills wise. The kids at the coe seem to have a better understanding of the game and have benefited from strength and conditioning training and nutrition.


Numbers don't lie. So far for the tournament...


32.7% fg (should be between 40-50%+)

33.4% 2 pt (should be be between 40-50%+)

30.8% 3 pt (should be between 35-40%+)

60.3% ft (should be between 75-85%+)

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Anon  
Two months ago

To the private trainer above, that is the biggest load of crap i have ever heard. The kids that were either starting or in rotation against these COE kids in NBL1 this year got absolutely chewed up and spat out when playing 1 v 1 in isolation against these girls. How can you compare the kids doing PT to competing against the best in the world, most of the kids using PT didn't even make the squad and if they did they didn't make the side. All the girls here are either COE or playing NBL1 or a similar standard or NCAA; where all of them have coaches who train them at the club or college, beware of these snake oil salesman, anyone who has to be negative or hate to get a sale isn't worth a pinch of salt.

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Red84  
Two months ago

Great win against Spain - credit to players and coaching staff.
Good to see the following adjustments to game style since opening game:
(1) Reordering the ball handling assignments + greater support from bigs
We will be tested by US in full court press. Expect the US to target particular Gems players who they suspect will cough up the ball. So our subs and assignments need to be well thought out
(2) Greater preparedness to shoot the ball. Opening game it was either a layup or a 3 pointer. There are open 2s out there - take them.

IMO - out to do task against this US team. The good news is that the US team looks vulnerable.

1. Beat the US press. It will be Game over if we buckle.

2. Our bigs need to man up aggressively. Too much room given to the US posts in game 1. Looking at the US v Germany and US v Belgium; these teams did quite well against the US. If Belgium had put away a couple of get-ible shots in the last 2 mins they would have won. Both teams had size and prioritized disrupting the US passes to high and low post. From time to time Germany shrunk the zone defence; manned up on the bigs and forced the US guards to shoot outside. It was only in the last 2 mins that US guards capitalized on this.

3. Our guards need to hit 3s! Hard to see Australia unless one of guards/forwards steps up.

Good luck Gems!!

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Red84  
Two months ago

Who's Tim?

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Anonymous  
Two months ago

We can win this if we can shoot well. So far we have not shot the ball well but our defense has gotten a lot better game by game.

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Anonymous  
Two months ago

good start by Gems

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Anonymous  
Two months ago

Great start, just need to cut down errors and close out better.

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Anonymous  
Two months ago

Some poor substitutions happening atm.

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Anonymous  
Two months ago

Great first half like the first group game.
Both Scanlon and heal need to be more aggressive I reckon.

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Anonymous  
Two months ago

Butler has also stepped up in the last 2 games, haven't seen her sit and she is barking orders and keeping players in check from the sideline. Much better job.

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!  
Two months ago

need to read when to pass in under the basket better - couple of times there we put up shots that should have been kick outs and subsequently blocked - only go under in iso.

Need to reign in Bueckers as well - needs to be closely guarded.

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Anonymous  
Two months ago

shelley playing as a 1 player team

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Anonymous  
Two months ago

Any positive feedback?
Go girls

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Anonymous  
Two months ago

Should go down to the wire.

Bueckers and Howard the only usa players with a cool head. Have watch them.

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Anonymous  
Two months ago

Love to know how many layups we've missed this tournament,

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Perthworld  
Two months ago

Is it our touch or the rims?

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Perthworld  
Two months ago

On further viewing it's our touch - that put back ouch.

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Anonymous  
Two months ago

way to decide a game

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Perthworld  
Two months ago

OT

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Anonymous  
Two months ago

looks like Anstey inherited her dad's sharp elbows

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Anonymous  
Two months ago

the anstey unsportsmanlike offensive foul huge call. just when you thought you had seen everything

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Anonymous  
Two months ago

So if it's still tied after the first overtime England win on boundaries right?

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Perthworld  
Two months ago

The US can't hit a free throw.

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Anonymous  
Two months ago

What a kick to the groin, those simple mistakes going to haunt us.

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Anonymous  
Two months ago

usa got momentum, no longer playing scared.
aust in foul trouble, offensive falling apart.
need a small miracle now.

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Anonymous  
Two months ago

Oh yeah.

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Anonymous  
Two months ago

Another Australian team loses a medal due to a disgraceful biased cheating referee decision.

Someone at FIBA really hates us.

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Anonymous  
Two months ago

Dammit

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Anonymous  
Two months ago

Great effort but another terrible shooting performance. 3 pt shooting at 25% and ft shooting at 60%

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Perthworld  
Two months ago

looks like Anstey inherited her dad's sharp elbows

We win if the unnecessary elbowing didn't occur.

Sick reference by the way - he was out of control clocking everyone with them on his return to the NBL with the Tigers. Thanks Chris!

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Anonymous  
Two months ago

Coe bringing the shooting machines out 3 times a day from now on.
Only 1 in every 4 shots we took in the tournament were made. Half were under the basket layups.

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Anonymous  
Two months ago

we win if the ref calls the hacking fouls first before the square up. Like do their jobs instead of trying to manage the game.

The USA player would never have got hit if she wasn't fouling on purpose to stop the clock.

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Anonymous  
Two months ago

?

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Red84  
Two months ago

Anstey elbow call was ok. We just lost fair and square. Love our girls.

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Anonymous  
Two months ago

Did the elbow really cost us the gold?

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Perthworld  
Two months ago

Anstey got fouled and it was called while the elbowing occurred and the ref changed his call. Shouldn't both fouls stand and if in the bonus (can't remember) at least we get foul shots before the USF to the US? Doesn't feel right.

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Red84  
Two months ago

Unfortunately....yes

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Anonymous  
Two months ago

Why was Anstey left on and why on Earth was Heal take off!?!
Great effort but bad sub decisions by the coach

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Anonymous  
Two months ago

the usa player fouling on purpose - unsportsmanlike?

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Anonymous  
Two months ago

Foul did get called but unfortunately they were not in bonus yet

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Anonymous  
Two months ago

Yeah Fowler! Hard worker! Selfless! So well deserved!

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Anonymous  
Two months ago

happens with Anstey quite a bit, she doesn't rip the ball, but just swivel her elbows. Has happened alot in vjbl over the years.
Something she will no doubt work on correcting. Amazing on the boards today. Well done.

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Perthworld  
Two months ago

4Q 00:15 left AUS 66-63 USA with full shot clock Anstey gets fouled by Howard. Ref calls foul on US while Anstey elbows Howard and changes his call. No elbow we win as they needed to foul us while we run the clock down.

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Perthworld  
Two months ago

the usa player fouling on purpose - unsportsmanlike?

Good point. Anstey was the only player (marginally) between the ball and the basket on the transition from a steal. Hmmm.

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Anonymous  
Two months ago

Fawler very much deserved! Well done Oz

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Anon  
Two months ago

The elbow was the nail in the coffin. Missed shots under the basket, free throw shooting percentage low, 2pt and 3 pt percentage low. If we can improve those stats we would be medaling and winning consistently. Unfortunately today our offence went stagnant late in the game. We seemed to struggle to have dribble penetrators today or a true pg. Great effort by all involved.

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Anonymous  
Two months ago

Girls did well to get to where they did. They need to be stop being so individual and play as a team instead of attacking the basket and hoping to get fouled and end up on the floor. Heal and Scanlon are both guilty of this. If you are a PG, do your job and create for others.

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Anonymous  
Two months ago

Both I had high hopes for coming in both heal and Scanlon but they both underperformed. Shelley was ok but her shooting was horrendous.

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Red84  
Two months ago

Epic match. A world championship at stake. Local girls taking on the might of the USA. And do you think these events could attract some modest interest by the Age and other mainstream media? A big fat no. Not a word.

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Anonymous  
Two months ago

Has any u19 championship for any sport.

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Red84  
Two months ago

Zion's shoe sponsorship deal is apparently more important. And the doping saga surrounding that young female swimmer. Basketball is one of the biggest participation sports played in melbourne - yet the Age and ABC continue to treat it as if were as important as 2 up. And spare me all the bullshit attention AFLW gets.Staggering given how small sre the numbers playing.

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Pud93  
Two months ago

Great effort ladies. Did our country proud. Izzy was outstanding all night. Hope she doesn't blame herself for the unsportsmanlike foul. It didnt cost us the game. Poor shooting did. Go Gems!!

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Anonymous  
Two months ago

Many people have seen that movie before.

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Anonymous  
Two months ago

So after a silver medal, our stats for the tournament...


33.2% fg

34.4% 2 pt

29.9% 3 pt

63% ft


Per game

67.7 points
56 rebounds
15 assists
16 fouls
19.1 turnovers
9 steals
2.3 blocks

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Duke Fan  
Two months ago

Yes poor shooting killed our opportunity to wrap it up earlier, but ultimately the unsporstmanlike did cost us the game. I'm sure she's blaming herself, but that's sport.

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Anonymous  
Two months ago

Looking ahead, I think we will really struggle with the next team, we don't seem to have a lot of depth in that 02 age group. Particularly in the guard spots.
There are 5 02s (Potter, Melbourne, Pollerd, Sewell, Rees) at the COE currently and 4 03s (Price, Prior, Swain, Wise)
Maybe 3-4 more will come in within the next year to replace those headed to college for the 2020 season.
The next u19 phase starts in 3 weeks (u17 oceanias)

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BelieveIt  
Two months ago

Not sure why Heal was off in OT when Scanlon wasn't up to it. Anstey’s actions did cost Australia the gold. Tough lesson to learn. Great effort nonetheless.

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Anonymous  
Two months ago

Unfortunately the Gems lost the unlosable. Numerous times that game was won only to be derailed by silly errors. GREAT effort by the girls, but the US didn't win it, we lost it.

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Anonymous  
Two months ago

Can't see any of these young ladies making the step up into the senior squad anytime in the next 5 years, like they said in commentary.

The problem area for Australia at senior level is the SG position post Olympics so it’s likely Shelley has the biggest chance out of this lot, although she has the likes of Nicholson, Cole, Garrick, Wallace, Wehrung etc in front of her.


Post Olympics.
2022 (WC)
We could see a few outs given there age and frequency of injuries.
Mitchell-37
Ohea-35
Whitcomb-34
Griffin-34
George-33
Tolo-33
Bunton-retired

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Anon  
Two months ago

Heal was off because Van Lith hit a 3 on a slow close out and back cut on her on a set play and Van Lith also made that basket; that was what allowed USA to actually get that close. Anstey was awesome but most Victorians who follow that age group would know that move on repeat and is fobbed off in VJBL as a regulation foul.it is true though once Heal went off we missed her reliable 3 pt shot on Offense

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Anon  
Two months ago

https://twitter.com/DamianArsenis/status/1155625780505804802

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Bear  
Two months ago

Bloody good effort girls, silver is nothing to sneeze at and you were almost there for the gold, bag luck on that one but congratulations to all concerned on a wonderful tournament!

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Bear  
Two months ago

....bad....

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Anonymous  
Two months ago

Yes, Anstey's elbow was dumb but the game was still 90% won at that stage. The microscope needs to go more on Heal who had one of the dumbest defensive plays I've seen in that situation. Allowing a backdoor cut is unforgivable. Having a taller defender on the inbounds wouldn't have gone astray either. BUT, it's easy to point the finger,fact is without both girls playing the way they did we wouldn't have been close.

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Anonymous  
Two months ago

So after that, who in this age group are we expecting to see in future opals teams?

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Anonymous  
Two months ago

Shelley and Potter

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Anonymous  
Two months ago

None for quite some time.

Potter will be on the next u19 team.

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Perthworld  
Two months ago

Yes, Anstey's elbow was dumb but the game was still 90% won at that stage. The microscope needs to go more on Heal who had one of the dumbest defensive plays I've seen in that situation.

Well at least we know for certain neither girl was adopted.

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Red84  
Two months ago

You are cruel man (I presume) Perthworld

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Anon  
Last month

https://twitter.com/matthewdelly/status/1159339655935848450

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