Anonymous
Two months ago

U14 club champs

Who's getting to the final and who’s winning it all?

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Anonymous  
Two months ago

Boys Hawthorn would be favourites but it looks like a pretty good field. Lots of medal contenders with the other Vics plus North Adelaide, Centrals, Cairns, Northside, Willetton, Hills. Pool F with Kilsyth, Northside and North Adelaide looks like the pool of death. VJBL runners up, BQJBC Champs, SA Champs.

It's a shame that BA's promotion of the event has been so limited. Yes, it's only u14s, but there should be some consistency year-to-year in how it's managed. One year the champs luck into a trip to NBA Jr Worlds, another year there's not even so much as a meaningful preview or team lists released. Almost all the kids in attendance will only go once, and most will not go on to u16 and u18 AJCs. Give them their moment.

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Anonymous  
Two months ago

No team list again...

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Anonymous  
Two months ago

Central Districts won SA champs not North Adelaide.

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Anon  
Two months ago

Melbourne

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Anonymous  
Two months ago

Hawthorn girls, Hawthorn boys, the double.

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Big V fan  
Two months ago

Mckinnon boys hit with injuries. Too bad as they were in with a chance.

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Big V fan  
Two months ago

Mckinnon boys hit with injuries. Too bad as they were in with a chance.

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Anonymous  
Two months ago

Hawthorn,... they've got a hell of program going on over there atm. Real credit to all those involved.

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Anonymous  
Two months ago

North Adelaide were season premiers

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Anonymous  
Two months ago

McKinnon probably a chance to beat Illawarra and Tassie anyway. Big gap between NSW Metro and NSW Country this year.

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Anonymous  
Two months ago

06 born stacked with female talent. 3 outstanding pgs in particular, 1 from nsw, 1 from qld and 1 from wa.

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';'  
Two months ago

Ranking for this were done off ranking for State Champs where Centrals won. North are so over rated. Great when going well and terrible when things get tough. Hawthorn are good in both girls and boys but Melbourne a chance in girls. Cant see ant teams from Sa medalling

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!  
Two months ago

Forestville girls from SA will finish top 8, other SA teams North and Sturt 8-16 bracket.

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Anonymous  
Two months ago

I don't know what North Adelaide are like but Sturt girls would be a weak VJL1 team in Melbourne. If they finish in the top 16 there are going to be a lot of terrible beltings in the girls comp. interesting to see if there are any teams that can push Melb and Hawthorn, both very strong teams.

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Anonymous  
Two months ago

Ipswich in the women I think is pretty good, will test Melbourne and Hawthorn.

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!  
Two months ago

Sturt will be closer to 16 than 9 finish and North around 12. Forestville 7th / 8th.

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Nostraballmus  
Two months ago

Thanks Mum and Dad

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Anonymous  
Two months ago

Forestville are average... big but slow Sturt lucky to get there as West had their best injured at the wrong time at State Champs. Sturt poorly coached as well. Will be surprised if any get top 8 unless a good pool works for them

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Anonymous  
Two months ago

Fake Nostralballmus ^ not speaking in third person.
Also where is Dave asking these kids to be in boomers team instead of Barlow and Gliddon.

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Anonymous  
Two months ago

^ Yeah good point surely there's some 6'3" kid, preferably Sudanese, who can average 18 a game this week and then go to Tokyo?

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Nostraballmus  
Two months ago

Nostraballmus like Shaggy says it wasn't me

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[email protected]  
Two months ago

Word from coaches at Technical Meeting tonight, games will be livestreamed on the BA YouTube Channel

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Anonymous  
Two months ago

Ba can't stream a tournament. I’ve never seen a stream done properly by them ever.

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Anonymous  
Two months ago

It's pretty poor that there's no information at all around what will and won't be streamed. There are livestreams scheduled that don't start, and different courts covered at different times. For parents who didn't make the trip, you're left mucking around with youtube at game time only to find out that there's nothing to see here. But then expecting BA to care about stakeholders would be stupid, wouldn't it?

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Anonymous  
Two months ago

On results so far Ipswich girls will struggle to beat Nunawading, who are a long way off Melb and Hawthorn. Sale are good too, not too many teams will push them. Hopefully some non Vic teams will step up and challenge those three.

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Anonymous  
Two months ago

Northside look legit in the boys. Early days, though.

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Anonymous  
Last month

Gyesi-bisah in the boys and shiels in the girls, 2 great talents. Both Newcastle hunters.

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Anonymous  
Last month

Good their live streaming the games. Catch all these feral patents on the sidelines acting like fools...maybe it's their proof to take action and really do something about their disgusting outbursts. Or maybe it's proof for the coaches to show parents coaching on the sidelines to shut their mouths when their kid is playing lol

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Anonymous  
Last month

There sitting for 7 days straight with little time to do anything inbetween, a lot of them lose there marbles along the way.
I remember 1 father brought a dart board and the pRents took it in turns throwing whenever there child's team scored. They added up the points at the end of the game. I’m sure there are alot more stories...

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Anonymous  
Last month

Boys comp looks like having only one Vic team in the top 4. That's a very unusual result.

Nice that the streaming has improved since day 1.

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Anonymous  
Last month

Magic and rangers will,go,through, Supercats very unlucky, best player out against the hunters. Top 3 all on 2-1 record. Last be percentage.

Tigers look superior in the women from what I've seen.

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Anonymous  
Last month

For sometime Vic basketball has been all about poor player development and jobs for the boys. With massive population and cash available to throw resources they can get away with it and hide the underlying nepotism and backhanded deals.

If you benchmark Vic to some other state basketball programs that are less resourced you will see the Vics are actually not very good.

Eventually if you operate like they have been it will bite you in ass.

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Anonymous  
Last month

They don't really lose very often at state level. Not sure what you’re on about.
Vic teams are still competitive with most associations only 12 mins away from another.

You have teams from nsw and qld with a massive spread between each and huge populations filtering into clubs and yet still can’t compete.
Gold Coast as an example has 400,000 people filtering into 1 club.

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Anonymous  
Last month

How many vic metro state reps go on to higher levels after juniors though?all about win now where as other stares get to think abit more long term.

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Anonymous  
Last month

Huh?

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Brunson  
Last month

"How many vic metro state reps go on to higher levels after juniors though?"

More than any other state by a mile is how many

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Anonymous  
Last month

64 of the last 100 Aussie reps are from vic.

Boomers N.T

6/12 go through any team and it's about the same.
Delly- vic
Mills- act
Sobey- vic
Gliddon- wa
Goulding- tas
Creek- vic
Ingles- sa
Kay- nsw
Barlow- vic
Landale- vic
Bogut- vic
Baynes - nz/qld



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Anonymous  
Last month

Vic metro* sorry.
A lot of those are country. Sobey no vic country rep. Landale didn't really play juniors. Bogut well publicised never made vic metro.

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Anonymous  
Last month

6/12
Lavey-vic
Madgen-sa
Ebzery-nsw
Whitcomb-USA/wa
Ohea-vic
Allen-vic
Talbot-sa
Smith-vic
Magbegor-vic
George-sa
Bunton-England/act
Cambage-vic

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Anonymous  
Last month

Are Rangers any good in the boys side?

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Anonymous  
Last month

Not great, pretty even in boys comp.

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Anonymous  
Last month

#605, not sure if you were replying to my suggestion that only one Vic boys team will make top 4. If so, it's very likely that Hawthorn will play Dandenong in the quarters, so both can't make semis.

Some really competitive results across the board. Looking forward to the rest of the week.

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Anonymous  
Last month

05/06 Aussie team should be good (next u15 oceania, u16 Asia, u17 WC)

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Anonymous  
Last month

I was trying to understand if North Adelaide any good as it seems they beat Rangers

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Nostraballmus  
Last month

'05/06 Aussie team should be good (next u15 oceania, u16 Asia, u17 WC)'

Thanks Anon. Nostraballmus is interested and asks what do you mean by 'good'? Win medals at World's ? You've obviously seen the 05/06 Spaniard, French, USA, Serbian, Argentinian cohorts then ? This is the basis of your comparison right ? What is it about our cohort that is 'good' in comparison to them ? Or do you mean 'good' in comparison to previous Australian cohorts ? Why is this group better in comparison to say, for example, the forgotten '01' cohort ? Please tell Nostraballmus more.

Is your kid in the group ? Maybe that will make them 'good' ? I do hope you are right.

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Anonymous  
Last month

Watch the games and find out Nostraballmus. Or... you could just tell me who wins the u17wc in 2022.

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Anonymous  
Last month

NB makes a fair point, though. Even if an u14 age group looks good compared to previous cohorts, that doesn't necessarily translate to good on the international stage. Sometimes an u14 cohort looks good because they're particularly physically mature. There was a boy at 14s last year who looked like a sure-fire future superstar. This year he's not playing basketball. Watching u14 games isn't exactly a recipe for figuring out whether a group is going to medal at Worlds in 3, 4, 5 years.

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Anonymous  
Last month

Nostra I'll give you a few thoughts as to why 05/06 will be pretty decent. Who knows what the rest of the world look like but the recent U16 nationals saw 2 Vic metro bottom age players play heaps of minutes and put up great numbers NSW country best player bottom age. Bottom age being 05. Shot 53%. 45% from 3. NSW metro bottom age players some of the highest contributors. No my kids is not one of them. These kids are mostly guards so not some man child who will get out grown. For bottom age gaurds to dominate their teams at a nationals you can be pretty sure they are decent.

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Anonymous  
Last month

I'm not sure that I agree with you, #703. Yes, NSW Country's best player was a bottom age guard, but his older brother was NSW Country's best player at bottom age u16 level, AND a national champion. The older one's not exactly setting the world on fire these days, is he? The two Vic Metro boys look like outstanding prospects, I just disagree with the notion that you can project the medium- or long-term success of kids this age.

The list of kids I've seen dominate or look spectacular at u14 Clubs only to disappear by u18s, let alone seniors, is longer than your arm. There are plenty who look great at this age and do turn into stars, but figuring out who will or won't is not an exact science. The assumption that because a kid scored a lot of points at one tournament as a 13-year-old, he will play for Australia, just creates unnecessary pressure and disappointment.

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Nostraballmus  
Last month

Nostraballmus appreciates the informed musings of the above posters.

"I just disagree with the notion that you can project the medium- or long-term success of kids this age. Nostraballmus agrees with this disagreement.

Nostraballmus adds the the biggest determinant of 'good' at this age is always and simply physical development and maturity in comparison to peers. So it don't tell ya anything. Even 'smalls' who might 'dominate' at this age group are advanced physically (strength, power) to their peers if not tall.

OK then, great Ballmus, tell me, what should our national talent ident programme look like ?

1) Over 6 foot 4
2) Can run, jump
3) Does stuff for others
4) Able to learn to shoot the sh*t out of it

Ballmus suggests we try this for the 05/06 cohort and they might get 'good' enough to win an Olympic medal in 2032




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Anonymous  
Last month

???

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Anonymous  
Last month

I've watched every single game so far. Early on.. my thoughts are

There are no quality pgs in the girls 05 group. I think both 06s who top the stats will be the 2 bottom agers in the next sapphires squad.

For the boys, I only see the Newcastle top scorer making the crocs team. the rest should,be top age.

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Anonymous  
Last month

Some of these kids are eleven years old. Anyone who thinks they can spot for sure who will succeed from this age group doesn't umderstand basketball or child development.

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Anonymous  
Last month

I think,history shows that you are wrong, go,back ten years at state level,and those that are on top of the pile even at that age are the same player thriving today. Not all but the majority, yes.

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Nostraballmus  
Last month

Ballmus says assuming the top scorer keeps playing the round bouncing ball. Nostraballmus fortells that crocs from varied oval balls will be circling if they haven't struck already

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Anonymous  
Last month

Under 14 Basketball gives absolutely no indication as to potential future stars. The best teams simply have the most mature players. Men vs Boys literally.
Perfect example is the Melbourne Tigers Boys from 2010. It could be argued that they were one of the best teams ever to compete at the U14 Club Nationals. 7 of their 10 players played for a Vic Metro team. These guys are turning 22 this year and if they were going to be good they should be making their mark now.
The was only one who went on to play at a high level and he quit to play AFL. Most of the others quit as the rest of the competition matured over time and it all became too hard for them.
The best teams at this competition have an unfair physical advantage and in most cases the superstars in under 14s disappear over the next 3 to 4 years.
Very few of them understand what it takes to succeed and as such they do not develop a work ethic. This is because they don't need to as their physical strength by itself allows them to win.
Those that do make it understand that they have to work as rest of the competition matures and the playing field levels out. They are very rare.



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Anonymous  
Last month

747 you are exactly the type of person the post above you was referring to.

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Nostraballmus  
Last month

747, Nostraballmus says check this list of household names (bar one)

Top Scorers 14's Nationals Boys

2011
Isaac White
Joshua Hannon
Cooper Hamilton
Filbeth Abonga
Jason Go
Lachlan Rennie
Edward Warrington
Jakob Shaw
Andrew Panayioutou
Stuart Lade
Gabe Hadley
Jhdara Jones
Nikolas Desantis

2010
Darcy Crocker
Shaun Pritchard
Kyle Clark
Zachary Kilby
Abi Akintola
Dennis Maluto
Michael D'Agostino
Blake Hardwick
Rhys Mackean
Stanley Jnr Morris

2008
Samuel Johns
Michael Luxford
Mirko Djeric
Jack Mackenzie
Dylan Hogarty-Doyle
Brendan Little
Dante Exum
Keelan Ward
William Soonalole
Zak Pantelis

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[email protected]  
Last month

QLD guaranteed at least one medal in the boys with both Northside and Southern Districts getting into the Semis in the boys

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Anonymous  
Last month

#747 you're nuts. I hope you don't have anything to do with kids this age.

#751 is spot on. I remember that Tigers team, their captain was ridiculously good. I've seen better players at u14 level but few kids who impacted winning in as many ways as he did. I don't even think he made the Vic Met team by u18 Nationals. The Dandenong team that won Clubs two years later had 4 or 5 kids who looked like 16- or 17-year-olds. And they were good, but it's so hard to sustain when you're used to that sort of physical advantage. Two big boys in Josh Green's Hills team that took bronze that year, too, who never really went anywhere. It would be interesting to split the age group on a weight basis and run an u14 Nationals for kids <65kg and one for kids over. I think you'd see about the same number of 'elite' players come out of each group.

As to this year, though, great showing for the Qld boys. Tough draw for Northside going undefeated and copping Hawthorn in the semi. Those two have looked like the two best teams, from what I've seen.

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Anonymous  
Last month

Should be...

Girls
Tigers over sonics
Magic over waves
Tigers champs

Boys
Magic over wizards
Spartans over hornets
Magic champs

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Dave Q  
Last month

@Nostraballmus

That is a very telling list indeed. Nice one.

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Anonymous  
Last month

Hawthorn girls are quite a bit better than Melb, they should win the whole thing pretty comfortably. Only hope for Melb is that they are so well coached, maybe Ray can come up with something. They have to get through Sale first though, who have beaten them this year.

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Anonymous  
Last month

If you ask Ray he is a good coach but I think he is average and enjoys intimidating refs. Choked last year big time with the "dream" team.

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!  
Last month

I wasn't far off with my SA team predictions

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Anonymous  
Last month

Very little separating those three teams at the top in the boys. Should make for some great AJCs in the next few years.

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Anonymous  
Last month

So...
hornets(nsw) beat magic(vic) for gold, wizards(qld) beat Spartans(qld) for bronze in the boys.
Magic(vic) beat tigers(vic) for gold, waves(qld) beat sonics(vic) for bronze in girls.

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Anonymous  
Last month

Was there an amnouncement where they will ne held next year?

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Big V  
Last month

BA has said they will be in Victoria again as they want them to be held with boys and girls together at one venue as has been the case for the last few years. With that in mind your candidates would be Geelong, Werribee or even a Bendigo if they keep with the regional theme.

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Anonymous  
Last month

Apparently Ballarat locked in for a few years because of the new stadium

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Dave Q  
Last month

The gold medal match was an absolute cracker. The lads on both teams did a great job.

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JMac  
Last month

Been told by someone from BA directly, they will stay in Victoria 100% but there was absolutely no long term deal done with Ballarat. Multiple associations in both Vic Metro and Country have submitted EOI to host next year. Same person advised that 16s will be heading west.

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!  
Last month

I think any area that has invested in a new stadium and / or infrastructure should put their hand up for a national tournament.

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Anonymous  
Last month

Think Werribee should be next.

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JMac  
Last month

Where is the accommodation in Werribee to house 48 teams plus supporters?! Most will have to stay in the western suburbs or in geelong, in which case given their new stadium along with the arena just up the road, as well as corio bay as a training facility, then it would be far more logical for Greater Geelong Basketball to host next year rather than middle of nowhere with zero accommodation Werribee

For mine the options are Geelong, Bendigo or Albury-Wodonga

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Anonymous  
Last month

Albury lol.

Nothing wrong with Werribee with some foresight.

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Anonymous  
Last month

Albury had the boys a few years ago and was fine. Add Wodonga and it's a good cross-border option. If

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Big V  
Last month

Sorry but Alb-Wod is not an option in terms of infrastructure needed to host boys and girls 14s. Aside from the fact it's a further couple of grand to get to travel wise for interstate teams as well as both facilities are showing their age, then it shouldn't be considered compared to some of the better options we have in this state of ours. I say it either has to be Bendigo or Geelong, with Bendigo getting my vote given they had school sport nationals there this year and have proven they can hold a tournament of that magnitude both on and off the court.

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Anonymous  
Last month

Ballarat has the 16s next year

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Anonymous  
Last month

Sorry meant 18s

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Anon  
Last month

How do you know this when it hasn't been announced formally by BA. The only venue they've announced is Canberra for 20s. And if that is the case then surely other states should get to host 16s and 14s then not just Vic centric mentality because BA are based there

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Anonymous  
Last month

https://australia.basketball/blog/2019/10/07/ballarat-set-to-host-2020-australian-under-18-championships-and-kevin-coombs-cup/

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Rusty Gates  
Last month

2020 Nationals

20s - ACT
18s - VIC
16s - WA (Confirmed its either Joondalup or Warwick - Maybe someone in the west can confirm)
14s - QLD / SA / NSW / TAS

Have heard Mackay pop up a few times for the 14s Boys. Candlestick Park could only hold three courts in a nationals format setup so would that mean another QLD assoc gets girls then?

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Anonymous  
Last month

Warwick for u16s is what I've heard.

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Anonymous  
Last month

Big V, shiny new venues are nice, but some associations with older ones do a terrific job hosting. I've been to two AJCs in NW Tassie, for example, and found them both excellently run. Darwin isn't exactly the flashest venue but also do a great job as hosts. NW Tassie is no easier to get to than Albury-Wodonga, either.

I hope other posters are right, though, and 14s will move away from Vic. The SA, NSW and ACT teams all make the trip to Melbourne for Classic, and a lot of those kids are down there for Southern Cross as well these days. Vic might be the heartland of Australian basketball, but that doesn't mean no one else is worth a damn.

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Big V  
Last month

Apologies Anonymous, my post was not meant to insinuate that you have to have a shiny new stadium to host an AJC, far from it! Mine was more in regards to court space in terms of being able to host the 14s Tournament in one location which BA obviously prefer to do in recent years - so at a minimum you would need a 10 court stadium to run five courts with adequate seating etc. With that in mind, the only stadiums I could think of would be Geelong and Bendigo that have adequate accommodation infrastructure as well but given that Ballarat has just been awarded 18s next year, as you so eloquently put it one would hope that BA are indeed sharing it around and maybe for 2020 they have to have the 14s at separate locations.

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Anonymous  
Last month

The 14 clubs should be shared around and not just be in Victoria. The last thing the Vics need is a home state advantage.



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Anonymous  
Last month

Big V, thanks for clarifying, no apology necessary. I probably responded a bit harshly because there are a few Vic posters who seem to think that it's the only part of the country that matters, so I jumped to conclusions about your implications. My knowledge of Vic venues is not exhaustive, so I'll take your word that if it were to stay in the state, those two are the best options.

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Anonymous  
Last month

Hate to break it to all you inferior interstaters but the U14 Nationals are staying in VIC. To go with BA's new model of sites hosting for two years in a row, expect an announcement soon that Geelong United have been awarded the tender to host the boys and girls club nationals for 2020 & 2021. As mentioned in an earlier post, games to be split between AWA Stadium and Geelong Arena with Corio Bay to be used as a training facility.

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Anonymous  
Last month

Ridiculous if true. QLD, SA and WA teams pay 25-30k per team atm to travel to club champs. BA need to think more than just about looking after their own 'home state' associations and share their NATIONAL Championships around all states for all ages. Five years in a row it has not left VIC - Either make U14 Club Champs a truly national event again BA or find staff who will.

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Anonymous  
Last month

New stadiums get guaranteed ajcs or club champs.
Build it and they will come.

Think north Adelaide will get one soon.

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Anonymous  
Last month

Given it is fairly well known now that 16s will be at Warwick (WA) and 14s will be at Geelong (VIC), why doesn't BA just come out and make it official already.

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