BeeGee
Earlier this year

36ers players caught in 3am scuffle after Cairns loss

As reported by the SMH: https://www.smh.com.au/sport/basketball/adelaide-36ers-players-caught-in-3am-scuffle-after-cairns-loss-20200121-p53te9.html

Interesting to read that it was (no surprise) Jerome Randle and Eric Griffin. Harry Froling and Daniel Johnson were also targeted but did not react.

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Perthworld's big brother  
Earlier this year

I'm not surprised Randle looks like a scrappy bugger even though he is a very short man.

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MACDUB  
Earlier this year

Not the players faults. No rule broken (maybe a moral rule broken).

However, I would have thought that curfews would be common for teams post-game on the road? (Especially at such a critical time of the year).

Don't need a total ban but come on, maybe at least a midnight curfew?

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Senator11  
Earlier this year

Those Cairns guys are lucky Bijan Johnson wasn't out, they'd be at the morgue instead of the lock up...

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sixtiesrockstar  
Earlier this year

Midnight curfew? What are they 17 years old? It's Griffens last chance to enjoy the night life in Cairns.

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Anonymous  
Earlier this year

"Midnight curfew? What are they 17 years old? "

No but they're professional athletes...well, they're meant to be.

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Anonymous  
Earlier this year

Especially dumb move given what has happened with Glen Rice Jr this season already

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AngusH  
Earlier this year

Not sure why OP wasn't surprised Randle and Griffin were involved, unless they have histories of staying out late and causing trouble that I'm not aware of.

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Anonymous  
Earlier this year

Maybe OP is Reality with an alt?

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Senator11  
Earlier this year

"Not sure why OP wasn't surprised Randle and Griffin were involved"

When I heard about it, but didn't know the players named, Griffin was one of the first that came to mind along with Froling and McVeigh, has that crazy look in his eyes.

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BeeGee  
Earlier this year

Sorry, I should have been more specific and said not surprised Griffin was involved. Agreed with Senator, if you watch any of the plays where he doesn't get a call he looks like he's going to explode (IMO only of course).

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AngusH  
Earlier this year

Fair enough. Haven't noticed it with Griffin but nothing would surprise me with McVeigh.

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Anonymous  
Earlier this year

Crazy how NZ get ridiculed for similar on these boards, but Adelaide get a free pass. To be fair nightclubs in Adelaide close by 10pm and are not open on Sundays or Wednesdays so it is a luxury for these players to visit other, normal states.

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KET  
Earlier this year

" To be fair nightclubs in Adelaide close by 10pm and are not open on Sundays or Wednesdays"

You're not from Adelaide evidently

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Senator11  
Earlier this year

"Crazy how NZ get ridiculed for similar"

The Adelaide players weren't arrested and charged...little bit different.

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Luuuc  
Earlier this year

With their next game a week away, not really a big deal IMO.
The club being disappointed but not taking any action seems like a reasonable response to me.

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Anonymous  
Earlier this year

The Sixers management came out and said they were disappointed in the players, not threaten legal action or call the issue a storm in a teacup.

Also, those Adelaide players don't have histories of violent assaults.

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Anonymous  
Earlier this year

Google griffin lol

But no, no convictions for anything from the players. It's just another mini story coming together that makes this season a failure for the 36ers. Once the stories the losses add up enough, even the ones where the players aren’t at fault leave a sour overall taste.

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Anonymous  
Earlier this year

You mean the time Griffin was misidentified by a supposed witness and all charges were dropped when they realised he didn't fit the description?

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Anonymous  
Earlier this year

Yeah, I just googled the article again. Def would've held his opportunities back. Like I said, wasn’t convicted, still there is a stigma that comes with that. Plus Florida is a crazy place haha

Then again, so is cairns by the sounds of it!

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KET  
Earlier this year

that makes this season a failure for the 36ers


Really? Come on, this sounds like Adelaidean Pissantry.

With the roster of the 36ers, I didn't expect more than 10 wins in the season. Nor did I expect crowd numbers to average over 7k and such a successful move to the AEC.

It's not a failure of a season, just not a great season.

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Anonymous  
Earlier this year

The nbl isn't set up like the nba. Where if you don’t have a good season it means you get draft picks, a chance to rebuild etc

If you were expecting 10 wins, as a fan, you clearly accept mediocrity. I don’t, they failed before the tip off with the recruiting.

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Anonymous  
Earlier this year

All teams piss on when on the road. NZ were at the Mosley in Glenelg till 2am a few weeks ago. I seen them skulling cruizers with the locals. Funny how in Adelaide we treat the road team well and socialise with them. Cairns locals not so much....

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KET  
Earlier this year

you clearly accept mediocrity. I don't, they failed before the tip off with the recruiting.


Got a spare few million you can donate each year to the 36ers so they can match the Sydneys/Perths/Melbournes?

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Anonymous  
Earlier this year

You honestly think that team assembled is mediocre due to millions extra dollars? That's very naive. If it’s purely a money thing, then why bother supporting them? They’ll never financially compete, BUT that doesn’t mean they can’t be more accurate with the players they do sign.

Their record is close, they were one upgrade away from being a clear 4th. As is, they have too many players in the same positions, they should’ve done more homework on Ramone Moore’s body, as they have missed any input from that 3rd import spot all season.

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Anonymous  
Earlier this year

Perth got no input from their third import last season and did ok

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Anonymous  
Earlier this year

Exactly. The money is everything to make a team great debate is a weak one. Whoever is in charge of the 36ers recruiting, can't be hiding behind that excuse. They simply have to be more creative, show even more attention to detail and get the right players to make the whole thing work.

Could say that money hasn’t helped United this season either, so if Adelaide had recruited appropriately, they’d have leap frogged United for example. But accepting a 10 win season from the beginning is cool lol

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Brunson  
Earlier this year

"The money is everything to make a team great debate is a weak one."

No it is called reality.

"Whoever is in charge of the 36ers recruiting, can't be hiding behind that excuse. They simply have to be more creative"

How could they have recruited better without the money? "Sorry we can only pay you $100k-$300k less but the weather is better in Adelaide"

Moore actually had a strong off season in America and looked like he would add value however lets say they replaced Moore and then made the 4, then what? Without the money to buy high quality players there is no chance to win the grand finals anymore, let alone win a semi final. Thinking otherwise is just delusional.

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Anonymous  
Earlier this year

Look at Melbourne and Cairns. Money doesn't automatically equal winning

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Anonymous  
Earlier this year

Ramone Moore hurt his arm in the scuffle

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Anonymous  
Earlier this year

Brunson you're not thinking logically enough. Decent recruiters build teams from the bottom up as much as the top to bottom. They didn’t have to spend big money imports etc they couldve built the bench players better. Imagine if they’d uncorked a Magnay type, not on big money, yet. They went with white, Dillon and McVeigh. I feel they were somehow expected Drimic to be all star 5 level based on the how they rounded things out.

We will never know what money the 36ers brass were/are playing with, everyone is giving out false misleading numbers. But at the end of the day, this roster was poorly constructed.

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KET  
Earlier this year

Greater purchasing power over opposition is pretty fundamental to being better than the opposition. If that wasn't the case, teams wouldn't bother to spend as much as they do.

As Brunson says, the better weather doesn't justify the pay cut.


That's very naive.

The naivety likely goes the way of those who believe money isn't a critical factor.

If it's purely a money thing, then why bother supporting them?

Balanced spending for a sustainable and competitive league has literally been talked about ad-nauseum, including by myself. Acknowledging LK has created mechanisms to draw top talent to Australia - a big success by the way - there is a point where mechanisms need to ensure there is no 'haves' and 'have nots' in respect of spending otherwise it inevitably becomes a 4 team competition.

Regardless, I still support my team. I'm just not "naive" to think we'll get far with guys like Teys, White, Dillon, Moore. Equally I acknowledge the better talent will get snapped up by 4-5 teams with greater purchasing power/spending capacity.

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Anonymous  
Earlier this year

Ofcourse money is a critical factor. But unlike yourself I believe it's the only factor to determining a decent roster. The roster this season is lazy, no imagination was put into constructing it. That’s not a money issue, that’s a lack of recruiting the right way.

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Camel 31  
Earlier this year

Some go back to their room and have a early nite, and do 100 pushups first thing in the morning.Some wanna go out 'd tell em they gotta be back in their room at 1

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Anonymous  
Earlier this year

Surely there is no truth to ramone injuring himself in the scuffle? He wouldn't have even travelled. But interesting he has now been announced to be done for the season. Pity they didn’t call that 2 games earlier and sign someone else.

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Anonymous  
Earlier this year

Every team has to spend up to 90% of the cap, then there are marquee rules and others to allow deductions above the cap. Adelaide are paying some of there middle of the road players over, Drimic when he signed was still at college and was telling all, his first year was 120g going up. He's had a fair year Drimic and I don’t want bag him but far to much for a straight out college player considering he’s probably on a fair bit more now. McVeigh an Australian junior rep and captain probably got a fair hunk as well. It’s probably part reason Joey get these guys but when they are getting more then the top end guys are getting less so you don’t get the best.
Cairns are doing fine and I bet they spend less than Adelaide. Money is not an excuse, recruiting is the problem.

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Anonymous  
Earlier this year

Agree with that above analysis.

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Anonymous  
Earlier this year

The Mitch Creek ransom debacle probably hurt their recruiting more than their supposed lack of budget

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Brunson  
Earlier this year

Sixers were creative:

Replaced Taylor with Randle
Recruited Kyei (who you forgot to mention) who is doing his role well in the starting 5
Griffin is an upgrade on Wiley but just doesn't want to play defense
Gave more opportunity for Froling to excel (However he decided to spend the offseason putting on weight)
Gave more opportunity for Drmic
Gave more opportunity for McVeigh
Recruited Mudronja who will be a solid back up next season
The team needed more toughness so they picked up White
Dylan has the ability but really hasn't added much value

The right ideas were in place. Unfortunately, Griffin didn't want to play defense, Moore was a shell of himself and Froling due to his weight is too slow now. If any of those factors were different Adelaide makes the top 4.

"Cairns are doing fine and I bet they spend less than Adelaide."

No one picked Cairns to do as well as they are. The big reason is because all 3 of their imports are studs which is more luck then anything else. If just one of their imports had an average year then they don't make the top 4.

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PlaymakerMo  
Earlier this year

"That's not a money issue, that’s a lack of recruiting the right way. "

You've presumably come to this conclusion based in intimate knowledge of the 36ers' recruiting processes? Please elaborate.

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Anonymous  
Earlier this year

Brunson that was a terrible example of trying to sugar coat shit.

Moore should've been replaced, griffin should’ve been held accountable and either shipped out or benched for not playing defense which is a pretty important element of the game!!! None of these factors have only just been noticed, they were obvious from the seasons beginning.


To try and sell on opportunity? Please, these guys are getting paid to perform, he hasn’t gone above and beyond to give players court time etc he’s had no choice with the cattle he has!

And big deal on randle’s inclusion, some might say it has been to the detriment of the team. Next time he hits the deck, see how quickly his teammates come to help him up. He’s not popular.

Anyways agree to disagree on basically everything.

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Anonymous  
Earlier this year

PlaymakerMo, look. At the roster. The proof is in that pudding.

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Anonymous  
Earlier this year

Love how the 6'ers back peddled on their original response to the "incident" Nothing to see here... then there was the disappoinment of the players going out. Unless their is a curfew generally almost all go out.

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KET  
Earlier this year

"Just recruit creatively" is a nothing phrase and is not a solution for recruiting a team of inferior players to win.

It's a pretty simple equation: the teams with money to spend are the teams which snap up the best Australian talent.

When 36ers play, they play against those players who command more $$$. The reason they command more $$$ is because they are superior and more likely to get the job done.

That tells you why they're 10 wins and not 15 wins.

Just love the expectation that anyone who fails, it's because they aren't smart enough to be a 2015/16 Leicster City opposed to a clear fact that those with resources have the advantage.


So - accepting mediocrity? Well no, it's just the reality with the team we can afford.

If I was a Melbourne fan, i'd be pissed off and calling for heads given the resources and star power.

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Anonymous  
Earlier this year

So money was the reason for losing to the hawks at home? Was it the reason they had a lead they should've held against the kings at home in the last minute?

Money is a factor, it’s not the only factor. Adelaide, have shown to be inconsistent and most would agree are about one or two key players short of having this season gone very differently. That doesn’t mean the players they needed had to be franchise playing superstars, just the right supporting cast. They got it wrong this season, not due to money, but due to not recognising the issues early on and adjusting.

But whatever, it is what it is. Drums will be banged from both side of this matter till the end of time.

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Brunson  
Earlier this year

Moore was a cheap import that has previously filled the role. The fact he hasn't is hindsight.

Griffin would have been replaced but when his job was on the line he had some excellent games. The fact he has since flopped is hindsight.

Yes the opportunity to retain talented locals. You know locals that have had two superior seasons compared to your only attempt at a constructive suggestion of Magnay which was a terrible example considering he had two terrible seasons before becoming a good player.

Your opinion has been hindsight. Your suggestion was a contradiction by bagging McVeigh and opportunities supplied to locals as Magnay was developed over 2 seasons.

Like him or hate him, Randle has been a solid contributor.

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Anonymous  
Earlier this year

It's not hindsight, when the majority of the fan base knew it was curtains before game one.

I applaud your rose coloured glasses, but I whole heartedly disagree with your assessment of how this season has been constructed and then executed.

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Brunson  
Earlier this year

"Adelaide, have shown to be inconsistent"

Tell me one team that has been consistent all year?

Sydney lost to Hawks also. Perhaps Sydney got it wrong this year also then
Sixers beat Melbourne and Perth (Twice)

These things happen

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PlaymakerMo  
Earlier this year

"PlaymakerMo, look. At the roster. The proof is in that pudding."

It shows a lack of money and/or poor recruiting. You've alleged it is not one but the other, but are yet to go into any detail. Please do.

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Brunson  
Earlier this year

"It's not hindsight, when the majority of the fan base knew it was curtains before game one"

You mean the fans that had them at the bottom of the ladder? Yet only small differences or Cairns not having such luck, then they would have made the finals.

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Mark  
Earlier this year

Professional sport so players should not be out clubbing during season especially at 3am
And definitely not before or after a game, especially a loss.
Management grow some balls and slap them with a fine at least.
Great example to set for junior players by clubbing.

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PlaymakerMo  
Earlier this year

How was it "curtains" before the season started when the 36ers still have an opportunity to make the playoffs?

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Anonymous  
Earlier this year

You guys are muppets lol

Maybe if fans like you lot, didn't defend such mediocrity, the club would feel more pressure to make changes.

If money is the issue then even more concentration has to placed on the recruiting aspect. No money yet they bring in the likes of JVG etc he’s not relocating for peanuts.

Anyways my point was they didn’t need to necessarily recruit pricier, but smarter. They didn’t. Not sure who the blame is on, you guys seem very defensive of it all, so maybe you know someone who your worried will cop the heat when the season is done.

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Anonymous  
Earlier this year

You really think that 36er playing group is making the finals? Please. They've checked out. Just because it’s not a mathematical thing yet, doesn’t mean it’s not over. They’re done.

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KET  
Earlier this year

lmao, it's easy to talk shit when you're not the one in the position of having to do the recruiting.

"Oh, you should be smarter not pricier", because there are many stronger players who are cheaper in the world? Not really how market-based pricing works!

"Just get it done" "just be smarter" "just be creative" ahuh, rightio.

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Anonymous  
Earlier this year

Ok KET, it's ok, your passionate about your point of view and that’s cool.

Hopefully next offseason things are conducted differently, because we all want a winning team to support but be annoyed by.

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Anonymous  
Earlier this year

"Maybe if fans like you lot, didn't defend such mediocrity, the club would feel more pressure to make changes."

This. So many on here defend the undefensable from these Adelaide Sixers believe they are bulletproof. Creek was wrong. Sobey was wrong. The Adelaide Aboriginal artist was wrong. Wiley was wrong. You are the NBL's version of Iraqi people defending Sadam Hussein as Baghdad burns around you.

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PlaymakerMo  
Earlier this year

I'm not defending mediocrity. The 36ers are horrible to watch and don't have a realistic chance at competing for a title.

You're making very general statements, asserting that the 36ers must have passed on players in their price-range that are more talents and/or better-suited to this group. It's pretty well established that nbl salaries are not common knowledge to posters on this forum, and very little is shared about club's and their recruiting targets/processes.

Either you know things that the average fan doesn't, or you enjoy expressing your opinion on topics when you have nothing meaningful to contribute. Given your apparent defensiveness to pretty basic questions, I think we have our answer.

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KET  
Earlier this year

It's a lack of understanding constraints and externalities.

The type of people who think "where there's a will there's a way" - well, pragmatically, that's not a cure-all.

#788160 - that's a super bizarre reference!

36ers management have a strong track record of incompetence and screw ups: Newley, Ingles etc. I can't think of a single person on here that believes otherwise.

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Anonymous  
Earlier this year

probably not the best example to show a young DP like Mudronja on what is required to become a good professional player

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Anonymous  
Earlier this year

Ofcourse it's a general take. Just because my opinion is coming across general etc doesn’t mean it doesn’t warrant some respect.

But stay blindly supporting, accepting the excuses the club or coaching staff want to put out there. You make it sound like the team they have, was the only team of combined players they were ever going to be able to put together, and general or not, no way that could be true.

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LoveBroker  
Earlier this year

I don't believe money is the be all and end all of how you do on the Ladder.

3 seasons ago the top four was Adelaide, Cairns, Perth and then Hawks. The top two spenders of the league didn't even make the playoffs, the lowest two spenders were 2nd and 4th!
In fact The Hawks beat the Sixers and advanced to the GF.

2 seasons ago Adelaide were not top spenders, had adversity brought in Childress and somehow it all clicked and in the end we swept Perth and were an injury away from winning.

This season we have Melbourne close to falling out the top 4 despite spending big on Long, Trimble, Prather + Illi (not as much), Cairns firmly entrenched in third spot, in fact Space Cam didn't even want Wildcats money.

Having money generally puts you in a better position, but guarantees nothing.

Not vaving money generally puts you in a worse position, but guarantees nothing.

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Anonymous  
Earlier this year

Did Randle help them win the scuffle? Or just get a few cheap punches (stats) in and lose?

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Anonymous  
Earlier this year

He threw all the punches and wouldn't let any of his team mates throw any.

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Anonymous  
Earlier this year

Froling was expected to take a step forward this year not one backwards, Joey's already stated how disappointed he is with him. Not surprising given his college career. But a couple of close defeats go the other way and they're solidly in third spot. Better than new Zealand expectations.

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Anonymous  
Earlier this year

Who has played above their level? Maybe drimic in spurts? Dj has gone missing as much as he has had some individually huge stat games. I can't think of anyone who has exceeded expectations

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Anonymous  
Earlier this year

Adelaide "always a chance to be in the finals" Yep we hear that every season. Very tiring and the 6'ers fans keep imploding every season.
FANTASTIC.

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Anonymous  
Earlier this year

The above post, represents my life perfectly when it comes to the 36ers. I've had enough of it, been done for a few seasons now infact. Used to be a die hard fan, wouldn’t miss a game for anything, now days I can’t afford to get too attached to a mediocre product for my sanity sake!

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Isaac  
Earlier this year

If you were expecting 10 wins, as a fan, you clearly accept mediocrity. I don't, they failed before the tip off with the recruiting.
Crazy thinking, but what if you expected 10 wins after the recruiting? How is that accepting mediocrity?

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Anonymous  
Earlier this year

The whole thing is that after the recruiting was when complete, a lot of fans blew up about how it's going to be a long season etc and the same glass half full types defended it.

Saying the same old stuff. It’s as good as we could do etc we have no money etc Joey will get the best out of them blah blah and basically, accepting the mediocrity of what was put together.

Every season I try to give them the benefit of the doubt, that they’ll put something truly competitive together, but every season there are obvious issues from the get go. This season for me, has been how weak the bench is.

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koberulz  
Earlier this year

At the risk of discussing the actual topic, people who expect professional athletes to keep the same schedules as 9-5 office workers are bizarre to me.

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KET  
Earlier this year

What would rejecting mediocrity look like?

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Three to make two  
Earlier this year

Back to original topic, lucky Mirko Djeric wasn't around. But not sure if it would be lucky for others or just him!

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Anonymous  
Earlier this year

brunson

the 36ers suck

their coach sucks

the guys in cairns were just stating the obvious facts

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Pug Dug  
Earlier this year

So Joey thoughts there was nothing wrong with after we got smashed, then get smashed again. He has to go. Game has moved past hime big time

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Anonymous  
Earlier this year

Moore has the right idea. Preten to be injured and seperate yourself from this damaged brand of basketball.
I still love the team but there are so many questions unanswered.

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