D2.0
Last year

Nick Kay signing in Europe?

Is it likely European leagues will go ahead next season? In particularly in Spain.

It's been rumoured for a while that Kay was holding a couple of offers, and supposedly he is very close to accepting an offer to play in the Liga ACB. Betis aren't exactly a powerhouse, they only recently got back in after being relegated, but nevertheless I imagine the coin is decent.

But what I was hearing is that these offers are contingent??

I don't know much at all about these leagues. Do they draw huge tv audiences? ie Can they afford to go ahead, even if stadiums were closed?
(And is asking that, I have no idea what the current of likely status is in Spain.)

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Anonymous  
Last year

Probably around $300k US in his hand for nine months plus accommodation, cars and most meals, hard to knock that back. Betis actually looked at Oliver but his price was to high I believe.

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Anonymous  
Last year

Done deal and huge loss for us but deserves the money he can make while he can.

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Anonymous  
Last year

400k+

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Perthworld  
Last year

Nick "400" Kay

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Anonymous  
Last year

Cats are cooked this year

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Cornholio  
Last year

Supposedly cooked every year.

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Anonymous  
Last year

Won't happen. Dr.Koberules said there will be no EU competions until late next year.

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TB  
Last year

Yep, with 5 months till the start of the season, the pending naturalization of the league's best player and the highest budget and earning potential of any team in the league...100% cooked.

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Anonymous  
Last year

Superstar of the NBL, huge loss but man deserves a big pay day.

What's Perth’s lineup looking like?

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Anonymous  
Last year

Probably around $600k aust dollars in the hand versus his 50% reduction in the nbl at $200k, easy decision.

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koberulz  
Last year

Spain has a lot more COVID than Australia, and he doesn't need to take a pay cut to play in the NBL as Perth would list him as a marquee.

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Anonymous  
Last year

Perth Wildcats-Gleeson

6'2 M.Norton/6’1 D.Martin
6’1 B.Cotton/6’5 W.Buluk
SF/6’7 C.Steindl
PF/6’8 J.Wagstaff
C/6’9 M.Majok

DP
6’7 L.Travers

Reports - possibles
T.White SF
A.Brandt C
D.Reath C

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Anonymous  
Last year

Good luck to him if he can get a gig and grab that cash while he can

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Anonymous  
Last year

Marquee are getting there salary cut as well.

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LoveBroker  
Last year

Kay absolutely deserves is big pay day.

I thought he was extremely close to being Finals MVP when everyone just assumed Cotton would be.

Hope he comes back to the NBL one day.

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Anonymous  
Last year

""Marquee are getting there salary cut as well."

Now, now. Don't go upsetting Dr Kobe..

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D2.0  
Last year

Marquee are getting there salary cut as well.

Sigh.
Please try to follow along
Most players, especially those at the top end, are simply renegotiation their contracts, usually with a heavier back-end. SO players & clubs are free to renegotiate to a position that leaves the player similar or not too much worse off.
The major restriction on this is that the full amount of the new salary counts towards the caps and league tax, not the actual salary after cuts.

So for the lower half, renegotiating won't really work because they still have to fit within the bench cap. For the top guys, the problem is the tax sting.
However for Marquees, only the first $150k (1st marquee) counts towards the cap & tax. So a Marquee, like Kay, could be renegotiated back to exactly the same net position, without it increasing the club's tax bill.

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Anonymous  
Last year

$150 goes towards the tax bill but his wage gets cut in half, so his presumed $400g becomes $200g less tax. The club can lengthen contracts like they did with Cotton and make the difference up in following seasons but can't change the coming season money.

Kay has done very well and he is smart or has good management because he had bigger club offers and took a lesser club where he knows he will get game time and improve his position in the future. Motum a favourite around hoops spends a lot time warming the bench.

Hopefully for Kay and the rest of the world they get this virus back in the bag as one thing that could stop his progress is that already parts of Spain are closing down again, similar to Melbourne.

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koberulz  
Last year

The club can lengthen contracts like they did with Cotton and make the difference up in following seasons but can't change the coming season money.
Yes they can.

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proud  
Last year

I know there was questions by OP about how they make their monies and these clubs are massive as they have football, handball and basketball (and I think other sports) within that organisation. How Real Betis decide what goes to which sport and how much they value a Nick Kay over a soccer star I don't know but clubs have €millions in player salaries throughout their teams.

Good luck to him, hard work does pay off!

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Anonymous  
Last year

A lot of the big Spanish clubs get tax payer money.

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D2.0  
Last year

$150 goes towards the tax bill but his wage gets cut in half, so his presumed $400g becomes $200g less tax. The club can lengthen contracts like they did with Cotton and make the difference up in following seasons but can't change the coming season money.

I imagine that if you tried to replace an existing one year-remaining contract, with another one year contract, then the NBL mind get antsy.
But I'd say that if you're renegotiating for a whole new multi-year contract, then you could do whatever you want. Its a whole new contract.

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D2.0  
Last year

Spain has a lot more COVID than Australia,

Yeah, that's the bit I don't get.

I would have thought the next season for the ACB was still a relative unknown.

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koberulz  
Last year

I imagine that if you tried to replace an existing one year-remaining contract, with another one year contract, then the NBL mind get antsy.
There's nothing they could do to stop it.

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Anonymous  
Last year

Dr Kobe says.. Never wrong

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koberulz  
Last year

I like that everyone's criticism of me is always "Kobe is always right". Such a weird thing to be upset by.

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Perthworld  
Last year

It's the new normal as most on here are so wrong that it's weird to be right.

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D2.0  
Last year

Been a few comments around about Motum and Landale...

However they're based on predictably pointless article in The West.
In actuality all it says is "Motum or Landale would be a good fit for Perth". Well yeah, no shit.

The irony is that Motum particularly plays in the same league as Kay will. So the only way he even becomes available is if Spain goes to shit, and there's nothing on offer elsewhere in Europe. In which we can probably just keep Kay.

I'm sure Perth were and are on the lookout for a good local signing, as Kay was two years ago, but they don't grow on trees. Will continue to be good and competitive, but unless we get Cotton naturalised, or the world covid situation delivers us a returning expat, we won't be as dominant as the past two seasons.

(And the rest of league will be happy that we've come back to the pack a bit :-))

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koberulz  
Last year

The irony is that Motum particularly plays in the same league as Kay will.
Motum is currently not contracted anywhere.

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D2.0  
Last year

^Really? Oh ok, I stand corrected?
I could have sworn he signed for 2 years?
Was his 2nd year an option?

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koberulz  
Last year

He was released from his contract a couple of days ago.

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Anonymous  
Last year

Landale is also not under contract.

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D2.0  
Last year

^^Thanks.
It would be good to see him back in the NBL. I'm sure many teams could make good use of him.
I would have thought Brissy or (based on prior association) Adelaide would be the front-runners, (assuming they had the budget) but both are already well served in the front court.

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Cornholio  
Last year

Both Melbourne based clubs would be after Landale, maybe Illawarra too.

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Anonymous  
Last year

if u sign landale would u leave a import spot open in case landale gets a nba gig

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Anonymous  
Last year

Officially signed with Real Betis

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Anonymous  
Last year


105-100.80 1.96
50-61 1.90-2.22
50-50

e win- .80 (+$50) (+$50bb)
b- -105
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Anonymous  
Last year

What?

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Anonymous  
Last year

Its school holidays yet someone posted their maths homework in this thread!

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Anonymous  
Last year

23 points in his first practice match in Spain, outstanding start. Went down to power house Real Madrid.

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