Classified
Earlier this year

NBL Expansion

Wouldn't it be nice if we have a few more NBL teams that we have now! Imagine 12 teams battling for a top 6 finals spot, the league will be more exciting!

We already know a new Tasmania team will join in 2021-22 to be the 10th team, but I think there is more possibilities.

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Master Chief  
Earlier this year

I'd like to see another NZ team.

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Classified  
Earlier this year

Here is what I think the league would be like:

Illawarra Hawks Become the Capital Hawks based in Canberra.

The league would be divided into two conferences, 6 teams per conference

Northern Conference
Cairns
Darwin
Brisbane
Capital Hawks
Sydney
Gold Coast

Southern Conference
Perth
Adelaide
Melbourne
S.E Melbourne
Tasmania
New Zealand

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Classified  
Earlier this year

@MasterChief
Another NZ team.
How about a North Island team and a South Island Team.

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Anonymous  
Earlier this year

Darwin are never getting a team

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Classified  
Earlier this year

Yeah I know. But wouldn't it be cool

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Anonymous  
Earlier this year

If you admit Darwin are never getting a team, why suggest it, even if it would be 'cool'?

No disrespect , but these expansion threads have been done to death.

10 teams is going to be fine for probably 10+ years.
There isn’t the depth of talent to support any more teams than that. After all... guys like Dan Trist are getting full roster spots.

Expand further and the league’s standard will drop considerably

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Classified  
Earlier this year

I think you might be right actually.

But I still think Illawarra should relocate

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Classified  
Earlier this year

Ok, how about expansion teams for 20 years time

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Master Chief  
Earlier this year

Classified, I think Wellington would be the go but I like the idea.

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Classified  
Earlier this year

OK

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Anonymous  
Earlier this year

Not enough money for more than 10. If nz had an extra team it might work with 11 but could nz have enough depth of players for a second team.

Let's get 10 bedded in for a good period of time and see where to then. I do like the idea of Canberra getting some Illawarra games, if it works they could be the Illawarra Canberra hawks.

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Classified  
Earlier this year

I think the league will go good with a 2nd NZ team and Illawarra linked to Canberra.

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Anonymous  
Earlier this year

The league needs to concentrate on continued grass roots development and ongoing support of the league. That will bring more talent through that want to play in the league. If that follows through, in 10 years 12 teams with a Canberra and second NZ will be possible.

Ultimately the leagues teams need to be commercially viable long term for it to be the right move to expand further

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Classified  
Earlier this year

Wow you are very intelligent about this topic

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Anonymous  
Earlier this year

I would like to see more expansion threads.

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Classified  
Earlier this year

Yeah.

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Anon  
Earlier this year

Victoria would get another 3 teams before Darwin would ever get one

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KET  
Earlier this year

1) I think 12 is max for the time being, as in the next decade minimum.

2) In that time frame no Darwin

3) No second WA team

4) The incoming two teams would be best placed in Vic and NZ

5) Top 6 with 4v5 elimination, before semis best of three, grand final best of 5. Keep it simple, none of this double chance nonsense etc.

6) Use Cairns and Hawks in a "Hawthorn" style with Tasmania - Hawks play 2/3 games a year in Canberra; Cairns 2/3 somewhere North Queensland that isn't cairns ie Townsville. Grab the “basketball adoring” fans as part of your base in those areas with “a good night out” filling the rest of the crowd numbers.

7) Similarly, Victorian teams should adopt a few games to play in Bendigo (MU), SBC (Phoenix), Geelong (NW Mel team)

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Anonymous  
Earlier this year

No more Melbourne teams please.

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KET  
Earlier this year

8) No conferences. Not now, not ever. If I had my way NBA would ditch them.

9) Consider the optimal number of games - if you're a full paying member do you want to go to 14 games? Is that number just right? Could less home games and cheaper memberships draw more members?

10) What about an NBL Cup hub each year for 2 weeks:

Round 1 elimination (1 game each) from 12 to 6
Round 2 elimination (1 game each) from 6 to 3
Round 3 final four - 3 winners + wildcard team that lost the least (1 game each)
Round 4 grand final (1 game)

Losers still play for final standings

Every team plays 4 games; where matchups are lottery based for round 1/2; for losers rounds 3/4.

4 games also counts to regular season and are on top of existing 28 games.

Fixture wise; Start mid/late-October run Thu-Sun schedule; during December/Jan run games daily save for Christmas Day; Feb run NBL cup for 2 weeks on a "daily" schedule; return to Thu-Sun for the rest of the season & Finals



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Yinka Dare  
Earlier this year

Surely Geelong would be a candidate. Huge city that supports and loves sport. Good sport for them to follow in the summer when afl is in offseason.

Wellington also a good option by the sounds of it

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Anonymous  
Earlier this year

Well Geelong doesn't have a suitable arena right now, although if they could get some pork barrelling for funding of one like the footy stadium gets, I guess it could work, they could probably gold plate the arena.

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Anonymous  
Earlier this year

Next decade
Wellington
Canberra

Down the track 10+ years
Townsville qld 3
Newcastle nsw 3
Geelong vic 3
South Island nz 3 rams or sharks.

Longtime 20 years and beyond away
Goldcoast qld 4
Western Sydney nsw 4
Northern suburbs vic 4
Anothe north or south nz 4

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Anonymous  
Earlier this year

Half the places had teams that went bust so no they had their chance.

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Anonymous  
Earlier this year

They went bust when they had only 1/3-1/4 of the population they do now.

In 20+ yearsmost of these teams will have populations of 400,000 plus.

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Anonymous  
Earlier this year

"Half the places had teams that went bust so no they had their chance."

So are we kicking out Sydney, Brisbane and South East Melbourne (twice)?

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KET  
Earlier this year

Yeah that's not an indicator of the are necessarily.

If anything an indicator of the volatility of sports, incompetent NBL administration, ownership issues etc

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SEQ  
Earlier this year

I think SEQ shared between gold coast and sunshine coast would be better than a stand alone gold coast team.

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Jay  
Earlier this year

More team and they need to increase their salary cup...

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Anonymous  
Earlier this year

There is no salary cap mate.

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Anonymous  
Earlier this year

Wow, back to the future. In 1983 the NBL had 16 teams, with two divisions - Eastern and Western. In 1984, 17 teams and two divisions. Since then, just the one division.

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Anonymous  
Earlier this year

The NBL was very much semi pro in those days.

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Anonymous  
Earlier this year

Conferences are a disaster.

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Anonymous  
Earlier this year

Let's calm down with expansion plans and solidify current competition, especially in pandemic times. Hawks very very lucky to survive, and haven't heard much of Cairns financial situation. No one knows what the Tasmanian experiment has in store.
Labeling professional sports as essential workers has saved the cup, but what if a couple of players catch it, unlikely but possible. What happens then?

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Europa 41  
Earlier this year

It gets tiresome people wanting to shaft Illawarra.

Park you smugness, and just reflect that it's still the only team that's survived - yes, sometimes barely, but survived all the same - from season 1, when every other foundation team, and many more besides, have gone bust.

And for the record, Wollongong is much larger than Geelong, Hobart, or (someone's ridiculous suggestion) Darwin.

And Newcastle is much larger than them all, so if you haven't mentioned it, you don't know what you're talking about.

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Yinka Dare  
Earlier this year

It's not about being bigger, it’s about passion for sport. You just need to compare Geelong to any NRL team and they get bigger crowds than most nrl teams. I think even the Geelong seabl team get a pretty big crowd.

The fact is people in Victoria are just more likely to support their sport teams. Sydney are more interested in Mardi Gras

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Anonymous  
Earlier this year

The teams we have aren't making money and if you did a straw poll of the current owners it would a a vote of no confidence in the League HQ & League Owner.

Many very unhappy owners out there!

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KET  
Earlier this year

teams we have aren't making money


Aside from Perth Wildcats during some championship years - no NBL club ever has

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Anonymous  
Earlier this year

Cairns did, but I agree with your overall point.

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Anonymous  
Earlier this year

Things that will never happen in our lifetime in the NBL.
Darwin
More than 2 teams in NZ.


Teams that could/should happen
Newcastle
Canberra
2nd Nz Team
Gold Coast
Victorian Country team (Geelong/Bendigo/Ballarat)
Vic West team
West Sydney
Townsville

This is based on population growth and the ability to secure sponsorship

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Anonymous  
Earlier this year

A pro sports team in Darwin would be a huge boost to the community up there, especially the indigenous community. Look at the huge positive impact the AFL games played up there have had.

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Anonymous  
Earlier this year

When the AFL put a team there then the NBL should. Neither is ever happening

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KET  
Earlier this year

Things that will never happen in our lifetime in the NBL.
Darwin
More than 2 teams in NZ.


Teams that could/should happen
Newcastle
Canberra
2nd Nz Team
Gold Coast
Victorian Country team (Geelong/Bendigo/Ballarat)
Vic West team
West Sydney
Townsville

This is based on population growth and the ability to secure sponsorship



No to Newcastle (no infra or support), Canberra (no infra or support), Gold Coast (where teams go to die), Vic Country (infra/money won't be there for the level NBL wants to achieve)

Townsville, I'm sceptical.
West Sydney, I'm sceptical. Sydneysiders are notoriously bad at supporting clubs generally. There's no benefit of ethnic support like soccer has with WSW.


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Anonymous  
Earlier this year

" You just need to compare Geelong to any NRL team and they get bigger crowds than most nrl teams"

I'm pretty sure GWS Giants get bigger crowds than most NRL clubs.

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Anonymous  
Earlier this year

GWS crowds are only reasonable when they play big Victorian teams. They don't get 10,000 there of their own fans unless they cont both legs.

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Anonymous  
Earlier this year

"GWS crowds are only reasonable when they play big Victorian teams. They don't get 10,000 there of their own fans unless they cont both legs."

So only home fans are counted in each team's attendance? I'm not sure thats how it works.

Fact is GWS gets average crowds bigger than at least a handful of NRL clubs.

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Anonymous  
Earlier this year

If corona virus stays around and bombers, pies, baggers supporters can't fly to Sydney they won’t. The counting system of the afl in Sydney has always been positive.

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robt  
Earlier this year

"unless they cont both legs"

That typo was close!

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Anonymous  
Earlier this year

KET,

My teams listed were based on a 25 year goal. (My Lifetime)

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Anonymous  
Earlier this year

Will sound racist, but how many indigenous spectators are paying to go to those AFL games in Darwin. And therefore, how can you expect high enough memberships for nbl?

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Classified  
Earlier this year

Well its been a long time since i last posted this, but it got a lot of attention

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Anonymous  
Earlier this year

Why does Darwin not get an opportunity to play NBL1?

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Anonymous  
Earlier this year

Next 2 are

Wellington
Canberra



Beyond that

3rd nsw Newcastle
3rd vic geelong
3rd qld Townsville or Gold Coast
3rd nz South Island team

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Anonymous  
Earlier this year

Plan years ago was to buy Derwent, ais arena, Newcastle stadium and Geelong, repurpose them for future Nbl teams.

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Anonymous  
Earlier this year

Why expand when the Melbourne teams can;t even get people to turn up!

the league is actually at a major cross roads and potentially in crisis if this trend continues

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Anonymous  
Earlier this year

#726 maybe look at the current environment and the timing of the season before you call the death of the league

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Anonymous  
Earlier this year

Afl
Season overlap
Corona
More midweek games

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Giacontigers  
Earlier this year

A lot of people in Melbourne haven't gone to games because of the coronavirus pandemic. I am very impressed with Perth’s and Adelaide’s crowds. Bit then again, there’s not many sport teams to go and support unless you like the minor leagues.

Another issue in Melbourne is we have too many other sports on the same time.

For example I’ll have to miss the North Melbourne, Collingwood game at Marvel stadium since the Throwdown is starting at a similar time.

Before coronavirus happened both Melbourne teams were getting decent crowds, mainly because we were playing during the summer with no AFL.

Our bronze area always seems empty because many of us would rather sit in the extra gold seats which are available. I’m gradfult I don’t live in Perth or Adelaide, the demand is too high and no leg room for seating lol.

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Giacontigers  
Earlier this year

I would personally like to see?

1. West Sydney Razorbacks (Sydney SuperDome)
2. Canberra Cannons (AIS minor construction)
3. Newcastle Falcons (Newcastle Entertainment Centre minor construction)
4. Second Perth team?

If the NBL were moral beings then they need to bring back our 2 foundation clubs Canberra and Newcastle back. West Sydney Razorbacks were a great rival with the Kings in the 2004 NBL finals. It was really disappointing seeing the Razorbacks go down hill after they lost all their talented players because of financial reasons. Great club which needs more love.

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koberulz  
Earlier this year

Another issue in Melbourne is we have too many other sports on the same time.

For example I'll have to miss the North Melbourne, Collingwood game at Marvel stadium since the Throwdown is starting at a similar time.
The Eagles drew 55,000 to Optus Stadium and the Wildcats drew 10,000 to RAC Arena. Both games were played simultaneously.

All the excuse-making really boils down to "people only go to the NBL games in Melbourne if there's nothing else to do", which isn't exactly a convincing defence of the teams' ability to draw crowds.

At least this should shut the "move back to winter, it won't be a problem competing with AFL" crowd up for a while.

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Anonymous  
Earlier this year

The difference Kobe is they were the only 2 sporting things on. There are 5 AFL games on this weekend in Melbourne plus the throwdown, plus A League. There is only ever 1 AFL game competing with the Wildcats each round.

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Anonymous  
Earlier this year

Also other than finals when was the last time Perth played a home game on a Monday, Tuesday or a Wednesday?

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Anonymous  
Earlier this year

That's true there’s only 1 AFL game that can clash with their only one NBL game. Not surprised 10,000 fans should up when the Eagles played.

The Wildcats memberships are super dear because of supply and demand. If I had to choose you would go to the Wildcats game. Some members pay a lot for their reserved seats every game.

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Giacontigers  
Earlier this year

Perth never seem to play on a Monday, Tuesday or Wednesday?

We got Cairns on Monday night, but Monday games aren't too bad. Having a game at the start of the week lifts your spirits.

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KET  
Earlier this year

Yeah that's a pretty poor post by KR - the "only go to NBL game if there’s nothing else to do" is a Sydney trait not a Melbourne one. Melbourne gets good crowds to sporting events across the board.

Perth has 2 AFL sides for 2mil people, Melbourne has 9 (10 if you count Geelong) for 5mil people. Plus an NRL team etc. plus there’s 2 A League sides (3 if you count Geelong).

The one part of KRs post that is right is NBL shouldn’t go to winter. AFL/NRL dominates and simply would gut crowds everywhere but particularly east coast where the teams are stacked.

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Anonymous  
Earlier this year

Its Dr KR. Who cares.

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Anonymous  
Earlier this year

2021 Schedule for Perth
1 Wednesday Round 8
1 Monday Round 10

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Perthworld  
Earlier this year

4. Second Perth team?

No.

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Hoopie  
Earlier this year

The reason I don't go to many games in Melbourne any more is because every game is on Foxtel, which is a heck of a lot cheaper and more convenient viewing than getting to a game, paying big bucks for the 'experience’, and risking my health.

Ironic in a way - I wanted more on TV to build the fan base, but if it leads to less bums on seats then that hurts the teams.

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Anonymous  
Earlier this year

Risk your health how?

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Anonymous  
Earlier this year

#326 that would be COVID

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Giacontigers  
Earlier this year

Second Perth team would be good?
Evens out the playing field in the West.

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Perthworld  
Earlier this year

Again no.

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Anonymous  
Earlier this year

Perthworld doesn't want the competition

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Anonymous  
Earlier this year

Second Perth team would be no good unless the Wildcats have done something to alienate a large portion of the fanbase over there? Like the Melbourne Tigers pissing off most of Melbourne when they were around and not getting all the associations involved. Over in the east of Melbourne we had been crying out for a team for years because of the Tigers mess and then more of the same with United but at least they tried to be more inclusive.

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Giacontigers  
Earlier this year

United are definitely more inclusive now.
Phoenix are the same.

The Tigers needed to just focus on the NBL and not their junior clubs in Albert Park.

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Perthworld  
Earlier this year

Perthworld doesn't want the competition

I would love a local rivalry but a new franchise wouldn't work here. Wildcats are too entrenched and there is no reason for anyone to move over and follow a second team.

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Anonymous  
Earlier this year

It's
Wellington
Canberra
Newcastle
Geelong
Townsville
South Island nz 3

Those are the next 6 imo

4-6 years for next 2
8-10 years for another 2
12-15 years away from having 16 teams.

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