NBL MAN
Earlier this year

Bryce Cotton citizenship progress

https://twitter.com/TheWestSport/status/1364019963036598272
BRYCE COTTON IS AN AUSSIE

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NBL MAN  
Earlier this year

okay news flash his a step closer my bad

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Perthworld  
Earlier this year

Probably not enough time to be naturalised for this NBL season, but it's good news for the Boomers if the Olympics do go ahead.

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Anonymous  
Earlier this year

Naturalised by mid season hopefully

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Photo  
Earlier this year

I wonder who Trev has up his sleeve? Another import coming.

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Anonymous  
Earlier this year

Boomers can only play Thybulle or Cotton, not both, even if Cotton's citizenship goes through. I'd go with Matisse, who is younger and can benefit our national program for a much longer time. Leave the Boomers to Aussies.

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Anonymous  
Earlier this year

Matisse and not even close.

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Anonymous  
Earlier this year

Cotton will be a lock for all of the qualifying games and tournaments that Thybulle won't be able to play in though, which will help.

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Zodiac  
Earlier this year

Yeah as great as he is in the NBL I don't see much of a point to having him on the Boomers roster. He's a poor man's Patty Mills and we've already got the real thing there who does basically everything better than Cotton anyway.

It's highly doubtful Cotton would be able to impact an international game in any way unlike say a Creek through sheer hustle and hunger or even a Gliddon who might pull a rare game out of his arse and get hot. I just don't see the point of Cotton being on the roster.

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Perth fan.  
Earlier this year

More interested in if he will be naturalized in time for Perth to add another import.
Assuming the 25% rule still applies that would need to be done before game 27 of a 36 game season.

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Perth fan.  
Earlier this year

I see Zodiacs point. Cotton should still be in the loop though with injuries and availability an issue for some.

Still going to be only 31/32 for 2023WC and 2024 Olympics so a good chance at those.

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Anonymous  
Earlier this year

"or even a Gliddon who might pull a rare game out of his arse and get hot."

How does someone who has a rare good game provide more value than someone who has dominated the NBL for four seasons?

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Anonymous  
Earlier this year

Cotton will be our one naturalised player, Thybulle is a dual citizen. Both can play.

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Perth fan.  
Earlier this year

Gliddon should only be considered for qualifiers and based on nbl form I would pick Vasilijevic over him.

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Anonymous  
Earlier this year

"Cotton will be our one naturalised player, Thybulle is a dual citizen. Both can play."

Not according to Olgun Uluc, who cited FIBA

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KET  
Earlier this year

Cotton wouldn't be in a Boomers full strength final 12 anyway - and if NBA players opted out like Ben Simmons we’d likely see Matisse opt out as well

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Anonymous  
Earlier this year

He said Thybulle is a dual citizen, but is likely to be deemed a naturalised player.

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pls  
Earlier this year

Thybulle over Cotton?

c'mon.

FIBA ball is about hitting shots.

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Anonymous  
Earlier this year

I can't believe anyone who has half a brain picks an nba bench player who is often in the high minus on game days ahead of Cotton. Cotton was 2-4 inches taller he would be an nba star. As Gaze says oh my. Not everyone on nba rosters are that good.

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Anonymous  
Earlier this year

"He said Thybulle is a dual citizen, but is likely to be deemed a naturalised player."

I presume Thybulle would have been naturalised by his parents, before he left Australia in 2005. So he would have been under 16. That should exclude him from the FIBA naturalised players' count, unless he doesn't have an Australian passport dated before his 16th birthday. If the latter is the case then he'd probably be deemed a naturalised player, given he apparently didn't play much (any?) basketball while a young child in Australia.

I'm basing the above on my reading of the FIBA rules on 'Eligibility and National Status of Players' - particularly article 3-21. Given I'm no expert on the matter, my interpretations may be wrong.

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Craig  
Earlier this year

I wonder what position we would fill with the import spot should Cotton naturalize in time? Have always assumed we would fill the C position and move Mooney back to PF but we need some more scoring options and Blanchfield simply isnt cutting the mustard at the moment so wouldnt rule out small ball and grabbing a SF, move Blanchfield to the PF spot and Mooney remains at C.

Blanchfield himself is only a couple cm shorter than Travers (who whilst he hardly plays still starts at the 4 spot).

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Anonymous  
Earlier this year

Cotton easy over Thybulle and it's not even close.
Thybulles elite defense can be mostly covered by a creek or green.
Goukding cannotnreplace the constant movement of cotton. Thybulle has no offensive game, he will be creeks replacement in next major cycle.

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Zodiac  
Earlier this year

How does someone who has a rare good game provide more value than someone who has dominated the NBL for four seasons?


I'm in no way advocating for Gliddon to be picked or implying he's any where near as good as Cotton, he's not he's a fraction of the player Cotton is.

With International rosters you pick your best 8-9 players first and then fill out the rest of the roster with specialists.

If the team has got it's head down no one giving any real energy throw a Creek out there to hustle & niggle the opposition and hope it energises the others or if you're down 15 in the 3rd and facing almost certain defeat throw a Gliddon out there with the instruction to let them fly and hope he hits a few and gets us back in the game. Look at that game the other week he hit 5 x 3pts all scoring 15 all in the 3rd quarter and didn't score a point in the other 3/4. That's Gliddon in a nutshell.

Cotton is too short and thin for international basketball (which is why he can't get back in the NBA) where he would face taller, stronger and more athletic opponents than he's used to in the NBL so wouldn't be anywhere near as effective.

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Anonymous  
Earlier this year

Simmons
Mills
Ingles
Landale
Baynes

Delly
Cotton/Thybulle
Broekhoff/Creek
Maker
Humphries


Without a Thybulle or a cotton, it's Goulding or another big in Kay or Magnay.

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Anonymous  
Earlier this year

or if you're down 15 in the 3rd and facing almost certain defeat throw a Gliddon out there with the instruction to let them fly and hope he hits a few and gets us back in the game.

and Cotton cant do that?

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Zodiac  
Earlier this year

He's half a foot shorter than Gliddon.

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Anonymous  
Earlier this year

Cotton 3 x championship player automatic all star 5 2 x mvp proven to win championships yet not good enough to make an Olympic team? Carry on

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pls  
Earlier this year

Cotton is too short and thin for international basketball (which is why he can't get back in the NBA) where he would face taller, stronger and more athletic opponents than he's used to in the NBL so wouldn't be anywhere near as effective.


yes, the Powerhouse man mountains of the Senegalese and Lithuanian leagues are going to wreck Cotton. smh. They're all 7 ft and faster than Usain.

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Anonymous  
Earlier this year

I think its about seeing who is available at the time the tournament comes up. Cotton and Matisse should both be among final cuts group of 15 or so.

Think back to 96 when the Boomers were set to take Ricky but with Luc out they needed to beef up the front court and took Fisher instead (probably a wrong move, but you get the point)

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Anonymous  
Earlier this year

Yeah Gliddon is taller but Cotton still dominates the NBL. Its not like Gliddon is using his height to play the stretch 4.

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Mobbin  
Earlier this year

Structurally wise Cotton backing up Mills would seem logical as they are both attach guards that move very well off the ball. Thybulle is a D & No 3 player so would have to hide him in the corner. Cotton can cover point, especially with a spread the court lineup, so provides a more critical safety net if injuries to both guard positions occur.

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Anonymous  
Earlier this year

Thybulle n green are the future. 23 WC, 24 olympics.
Cotton n creek are the now. 21 olympics, 23 WC.

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LV  
Earlier this year

Team selections come down to having a balanced roster and which roles are required.

We saw CG playing a valuable role off the bench in World Cup. Cotton could potentially play a similar role in Tokyo or future tournaments.

Cotton is indeed a poor man's Mills. But that also means Cotton fits nicely in as a Mills backup. Goorj obviously will bring a new system to a degree, but when Lemanis was in charge Mills had a very specific role as a scoring guard which CG emulated having the same plays run for him off the bench.

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Anonymous  
Earlier this year

Cotton is not a poor mans and mills. They are on the same level.

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Anonymous  
Earlier this year

Thybulle is so,rly a elite defender atm, he's game along with green needs time.

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Anonymous  
Earlier this year

"Cotton is not a poor mans and mills. They are on the same level."

No.

Also...No

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Anonymous  
Earlier this year

Cotton is on par with mills, no doubt. Kids on this forum will always think every nba player is better than any Nbl or euro player. The past WC proved that's not the case.

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Anonymous  
Earlier this year

Patty Mills









Bryce Cotton

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Anonymous  
Earlier this year

Running Shot and Dunk : Cotton > Mills

Jump Shot : Mills > Cotton

Average Offense : Mills > Cotton

Average Defence : Mills > Cotton

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Anonymous  
Earlier this year

24 - 3 - 7
MVP cotton again atm.

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Anonymous  
Earlier this year

Cotton is on par with mills, no doubt.

No.

Kids on this forum will always think every nba player is better than any Nbl or euro player.

No. But Patty is better than Cotton.

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Anonymous  
Earlier this year

If Cotton is as good as Mills why has he spent 4 years in Perth and not 11 years in the NBA like Patty?

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Anonymous  
Earlier this year

That makes no sense.
Landale is alot better than bench bigs in the nba.
It's about timing.

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Anonymous  
Earlier this year

Ingles was mediocre in Europe and much better fit in nba.

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Anonymous  
Earlier this year

Its about making the most of your opportunity too. Patty did, Cotton didn't.

There is a definite difference between the two. It isn't huge, but Patty is a step above.

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Bolt  
Earlier this year

Too small for international hoops pls?

Campazzo?
Pangos?
Mills?

Whilst the list isn't endless, there’s plenty of blokes who can play international ball regardless of height/weight. Cotton wouldn’t struggle, sure as shit didn’t against Bogut and crew last season...

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Anonymous  
Earlier this year

Leave this here.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f-JWJtgbJtc&t=2s

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LoveBroker  
Earlier this year

Cotton being such a good shooter and mover off the ball would have value on any basketball team, if Patty is still playing then Cotton could back him up for the same function.

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Anonymous  
Earlier this year

Thybulle offers what exactly, defense. Creek replaces him easy in the short term.

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Anonymous  
Earlier this year

#881 Yep in a meaningless pre-season game
https://www.espn.com.au/nba/boxscore?gameId=401077268

No starter played more than 24 mins for Denver and Bryce played 41 mins. Kinda cute you left it there really

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Anonymous  
Earlier this year

So 3 mins means the world of difference?

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Anonymous  
Earlier this year

886 it's a 48 min game, of course he’ll play longer, duh.

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Anonymous  
Earlier this year

#881 Yep in a meaningless pre-season game

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mSY5yRik1qo

Corey Webster : 27pts 4reb 7ast 1stl

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z-6eIpg10sU

Nathan Sobey : 23pts 4reb 4ast 4stl 1blk

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Anonymous  
Earlier this year

And somehow that's a negative?

Webster was top 3 scorer at WC lol.

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Anon  
Earlier this year

Cotton 1.82m, Mills 1.83m

Mills must be better if Cotton not tall enough for NBA!

(PS I love them both)

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Anonymous  
Earlier this year

Cotton havin another shocker. Thybulle with his 3pts and 1 rbd avg is way better.

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Anonymous  
Earlier this year

Cotton and it's not even close.

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Anonymous  
Earlier this year

Of course it should be cotton, Thybulle is the next olympics along with green.

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Dione  
Earlier this year

Please no more wasting a space on the likes of Gliddon and Barlow. I can understand the argument to have specialists in those 10, 11, 12 spots (a la Damian Martin), but did Gliddon or Barlow don't really bring much beside standing in the corner waiting for a teammate to create for them, and they are both hardly savants on the defensive end, and that's at NBL level. They play hard, but I think there is better talent available. May as well blood some younger guys if nothing else.

As for the Cotton/Thybulle debate, you could make an argument either way and convince me. A lot will depend upon what Goorj wants to run. I tend to favour Cotton, as offence can be a lot harder to come by at international level, and he could prove to be a real X-factor and potentially win you a game off his back. I like the idea that he slips right into a similar role to Patty, and if we have him paired with a bigger, defensive-minded playmaker in the backcourt, I think it works. I can understand having Thybulle as a defensive specialist to throw at some other teams stars offensive players, but not fully convinced.

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Anonymous  
Earlier this year

Creek covers Thybulle atm. Creek 28, Thybulle 23, Matisse has a plot of time to develop offensively.
Goulding cannot do what cotton does plus we will have a few spot shooters like ingles and Broekhoff already. Plus mills, plus cotton.

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Anonymous  
Earlier this year

Simmons - Dellavedova
Mills - Cotton
Ingles - Broekhoff - Creek
Landale - Maker
Baynes - Humphries

+ 1 Thybulle*, Green, Goulding, Kay or Magnay.

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Anonymous  
Earlier this year

Where and what does Jonah Bolden do?

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Anonymous  
Earlier this year

Thybulle is another one of these overrated nba guys, no way ahead of Cotton, no way ahead of Goulding.

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Dione  
Earlier this year

Jonah who?

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Anonymous  
Earlier this year

Maker, the bloke who's not playing anywhere against Kay who is playing in one of the toughest leagues in the world, yeah that makes sense. Yes Maker has played nba, the bench end, right at the end.

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Anonymous  
Earlier this year

Thybulle and Cotton are not the problem.

Currently, there is no substitute for Andrew Bogut.

Andrew Bogut Passing and Cutting, Pick and Roll, Screen,

Defence & Offence High Basketball IQ

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s7zjhaFTgKM

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Anonymous  
Earlier this year

Maker alters shots at the FIBA level, Kay will be exposed against the a teams of o,y pics not b teams of WC.

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Dione  
Earlier this year

Maker not the worst frontcourt option with his length, but has Humphries done enough to maybe get that spot?

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Anonymous  
Earlier this year

We have no one else unless you put Landale as the starter or backup.

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Anonymous  
Earlier this year

Kay has been crap 2/3 season, watch his games why don't u. 9 and 6 avg

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Anonymous  
Earlier this year

9 and 6 in Europe in Spain is nothing to be laughed at. Certainly in a team that is towards the bottom of the league and has selfish Americans as there other imports.
What's Maker stats, oh yeah he’s not playing. Humphries should also be in ahead of Maker.

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Macca  
Earlier this year

So the question is this..? Miles coming back?

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Anonymous  
Earlier this year

Kay ain't making it this time round.

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Dione  
Earlier this year

Do they need Miles with Mooney? I'd be tempted to find a scoring wing. I have a hard time trusting Blanchfield as a secondary scorer. He's the Aaron Trahair of this generation. At least there is always Norton to drive and throw the ball up hoping for a foul.

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Anonymous  
Earlier this year

They need a 1, 3 or 4.

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D2.0  
Earlier this year

Umm
WTAF?
Can anyone read the paywalled article?
https://thewest.com.au/sport/perth-wildcats/perth-wildcats-star-bryce-cotton-gets-visa-stamp-of-approval-in-huge-development-in-citizenship-quest-ng-b881803888z

This seems to imply that he only just got his (partner) visa. This confers the Permanent Residency you must have before even applying for citizenship.

If this is the case, then it would seem that when it was reported that he had applied for citizenship, he had actually applied for his visa.
Meaning citizenship is still a long way off.

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Anonymous  
Earlier this year

Yes his pr is complete, how long for c is unknown.

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Anonymous  
Earlier this year

Lol at this discussion. Thybulle a elite defender in the NBA whilst he improves his offensive game. There is no way Cotton would be in the Boomers 12 if everyone is available.

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D2.0  
Earlier this year

https://www.news.com.au/sport/basketball/boomers-coach-brian-goorjian-must-choose-between-bryce-cotton-and-matisse-thybulle-for-tokyo-games/news-story/5ebae0aa98be94675e4903f5ce6765a6

This doesn't make a lot of sense.
Thybulle's only connection to Australia is that he lived here from roughly age 2 through to around 9. His sister was born here, but neither parent.
So only way he has Australian Citizenship, is if he (and family) was naturalised whilst he was here. That would mean he became an Australian citizen (long) before the age of 16 and so counts as a local, not a naturalised player.

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Musk  
Earlier this year

If we can have both of them then take them both, however pls refrain from claiming cotton is better than mills, that's just idiotic, people need to stop trying to make the nbl seem better than it really is or are just brainwashed by the likes of santamaria and Williams babbling on. Not to mention how creek is supposedly the same role as Thybulle as one is an elite nba defender in a rotation spot on one of the better teams in the league and the other is in the nbl who is at his best going hard to the basket and getting rebounds along with making some hustle plays, Thybulle is better and they don’t play the same way so just with the nonsense.

Delly
Mills
Cotton
Thybulle
Goulding
Broekhoff
Ingles
Simmons
Maker
Landale
Humphries
Baynes

If there’s no cotton, go exum or green
If there’s no Thybulle, go green or creek (probably creek)

In saying all that this could all change with a potential Simmons pull out especially if philly go deep in the playoffs which could also take out Thybulle. Will be interesting to see how goorj picks the side with nba guys (particularly Simmons, Thybulle and ingles too if the jazz keep up their form) all over the place so I guess we’ll just wait and see

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Anonymous  
Earlier this year

As it stands, its (13 players)

Delly
Mills
Cotton vs Thybulle
Goulding
Broekhoff
Creek
Ingles
Simmons
Maker
Landale
Humphries
Baynes


If cotton gets in, Goulding or creek go out.
If Thybulle gets in, Goulding or creek go out.

Not much love for anyone else, maybe a few votes for Kay and a couple for Exum.
The rest look to be finished or have a future shot.

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Anonymous  
Earlier this year

An elite defender with no offensive prowess is just not enough for FIBA Comp.
If he was putting up 10-12 points a game instead of just 3 pts a game, youcoukd make a case.
He only get 1.5 steals as an elite defender, hes shooting 27% 3, 50% ft, 38%fg. That's terrible.
Thybulle is just 23, he’ll be playing for the boomers from 25-32y.o, he’s not in his prime yet.

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Anonymous  
Earlier this year

i still can't understand how Thybulle could be considered a naturalised player? Bloke was raised here and became a citizen when he was a kid, and had nothing to do with basketball, right?

Not saying both Cotton and Thybulle are automatic selections, but surely they could both play in the same boomers team if selected.

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Anonymous  
Earlier this year

NBA : Thybulle > Cotton

FIBA : Cotton > Thybulle

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Perth fan.  
Earlier this year

Which Wildcat gets the arse?
White?
Lo Buluk?
Jervis?
Bairstow?


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koberulz  
Earlier this year

Pretty sure Jervis is only in the team on a "make-up-the-numbers-until-Cotton-gets-naturalised" basis, given he signed just before the season having been retired for a year, and he plays the same position as the import they wanted to bring in.

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koberulz  
Earlier this year

This seems to imply that he only just got his (partner) visa.
It's a Distinguished Talent visa, not a Partner visa.

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Perth fan.  
Earlier this year

I personally hope Perth go for either a 3/4 to start alongside Blanchfield.

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proud  
Earlier this year

So I think we csn all agree that whilst their is air in his lungs Patty will be starting in Japan but what Is going to get Patty more ready to be leading scorer at the Olympics (during training Camp) is it elite defenders like Thybulle or someone like Cotton that can score down the other end and trying to one up each other.

Wow that would be fun and luckily I don't have to make that decision but best of luck to Goorj and Nielsen in trying to select the Olympic roster.

Yes Bogut is a massive out as we definitely will miss his passing and IQ and defence.

I'd take Magnay and even Humphries with their rim protection over Thon Maker but sadly their passing isn't Bogut standard

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Perthworld  
Earlier this year

Wildcats are now looking for a second import so I assume Cotton is being processed via the 48 hour fast tracking service for his citizenship application.

If all his documents are in order then the remaining steps are: 1.) attend citizenship interview and pass the test and 2.) ceremony (which makes it official). I'm not sure if you can get priority for a interview/test slot (probably since it's still on the Department of Immigration side of things) but I know that depending on your local council an expedited ceremony is possible.

It's on.

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Anonymous  
Earlier this year

DJ newbill is a name to keep an eye on

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rjd  
Earlier this year

I'm surprised Thybulle would be classified as a naturalised player. I seem to recall the rule being that the naturalised definition is for players who obtained citizenship over 16 years. Do we have confirmation that Thybulle would've obtained his citizenship then? It seems odd timing that he obtained it while living in the US after age 16.

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Anonymous  
Earlier this year

Gleeson made a hint at someone being in the country already.

Norton
Cotton
Blanchfield
Mooney
Plumlee

Don't think so though, Mooney is a center clearly.

Newbill would be good at the 3 but he’s in Japan.


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Perth fan.  
Earlier this year

I wouldn't want Plumlee now that Mooney is going so well. Would prefer a combo forward or wing.

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Anonymous  
Earlier this year

Cotton is in our best Boomers team. He is the second best offensive player to ever play in the NBL, and top-level offensive players in the NBL (Gaze, Heal, Penney, C Webster at prime) can score in bunches at international level.

If we had Cotton at the last WCs as the third guard, we come home with a medal, and a fair chance it was gold.

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Anonymous  
Earlier this year

Dreams are free

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Anonymous  
Earlier this year

Perth were probably hoping Blanchfield would come in a be reliable scorer/shooter. Has had some good games and appears to be getting better, but Wildcats probably need another scorer to compete with United. Cotton is playing a tonne of minutes at the moment, this amount of games in a relative short period wont help, so will need help and more breathers as playoffs come around.

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Anonymous  
Earlier this year

Plumlee already ruled himself out and has decided to go travelling this year, presumably around Australia.

Mills has had the burden of having to score too much, Cotton is the only player that could take away that pressure. Mills has been pretty gassed by the time we get to the important games.

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robt  
Earlier this year

Every game is important, and without that extra punch and rest for Patty) early, then we won't even get to the important games!

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KET  
Earlier this year

Mills has had the burden of having to score too much, Cotton is the only player that could take away that pressure. Mills has been pretty gassed by the time we get to the important games.


Ingles? Bloke just drained like 7 threes last NBA game.
Broekhoff? He's a sharpshooter.
Simmons? He is coming off some 28pt, 42pts NBA games.

You legitimately think Cotton is the only player that can take scoring pressure away from Mills?

Between Simmons, Mills, Ingles, Broekhoff, Landale, Baynes - there is plenty of scoring punch. Delly's defence, Kay's serviceable nature, Gouldings rockup and drain three's.... In a full strength Boomers side there isn't even space for Cotton, let alone requiring his scoring punch.


Now, if players drop out then it's a different discussion depending on who and how many drop out.




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Anonymous  
Earlier this year

Cotton plays in the last world championships, Bogut got a gold medal around his neck. For an elite defender Thybulle has a lot of big minus games.

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Cram  
Earlier this year

Cotton could be handy as a Mills backup depending on who else is available.

He'll need further intervention to get citizenship done though as without some favours being called in there's no chance the process would happen in time for Tokyo

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Anonymous  
Earlier this year

"had" the burden, broekhoff and Simmons didn't play previously, Landale was a bit younger, Ingles can score, but is slow as fuck. None of those guys can match Mills pure scoring ability other than Cotton. Simmons and Ingles will be busting their asses on defending the best opponents. Either way if cotton makes it or not, it'll be good to get a strong team in.

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Perthworld  
Earlier this year

He'll need further intervention to get citizenship done though as without some favours being called in there's no chance the process would happen in time for Tokyo

The favour has already been done - politicians intervened to get Cotton his PR. Once you have PR anyone can pay the relevant fees to be fast tracked re: citizenship application.

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Josh Garlepp  
Earlier this year

Thybulle would average 30ppg in the NBL easy, you need to realise how good the farkn NBA is.

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Cram  
Earlier this year

"The favour has already been done - politicians intervened to get Cotton his PR. Once you have PR anyone can pay the relevant fees to be fast tracked re: citizenship application."

"Fast tracked" still requires favours.

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Hoopie  
Earlier this year

The posts above suggest that the reason that Mills got gassed was only because he was the team's main scorer. They also point to having other scorers this time round, so there should be less pressure on Mills. Maybe.

I would have thought that he was gassed because he had to be the main scorer AND the best defender of short fast players, including getting knocked around a lot because of today’s screen-heavy offenses.

Which is why I think we need Cotton more than Thybulle - someone who can get the ball up-court quickly, score lots, and defend other fast guards.

Sure Ingles and Broekhoff and Simmons can guard SFs but I think they’d struggle guarding the PGs for a long time. In the NBA games I’ve watched this season involving Simmons, he doesn’t have the foot speed to stay with quick guards; he relies on his length and reach to stop them once they get past him.

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Perthworld  
Earlier this year

"Fast tracked" still requires favours.

No, you pay a fee of $1,000 and they will fast track you in 48 hours, which is available to everyone. The sticking point was the PR due to ridiculous government red tape.

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Cram  
Earlier this year

"No, you pay a fee of $1,000 and they will fast track you in 48 hours"

Where have you seen this?

At what stage is this? Because steps are apply > get appointment/test >wait >approval > wait > ceremony/Citizen. Its not just Apply > Citizen.

Current wait times for Application through to ceremony are 18 months. Why would ANYONE wait that long for the benefits of Citizenship if it only cost $1000?

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KET  
Earlier this year

" AND the best defender of short fast players,"

Delly...

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Perthworld  
Earlier this year

Cram read my other post above (#834051) where I did comment on the interview/test and ceremony steps. Yes the fee only covers the processing of application. Whether fast tracking includes getting an interview slot ASAP I'm not entirely sure on. Gleeson has already made a comment about how the new import search has begun so they are confident.

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Cram  
Earlier this year

I'm sure they're confident, but again, I don't believe the fast track fee is what you think it is.

Can you point to where you have seen this as I can see no evidence of a fast track processing fee for citizenship. I can see it in reference to a VISA, but citizenship is inherently different as I explained above. Again, current wait times once APPROVED for a ceremony average 5 months.

Many families, like mine, have paid many thousands for a visa and would absolutely have no issue laying down another grand to cut months off the processing time to become a citizen. I genuinely would like to believe what you say is true, however I cannot find any evidence of it and I think you might be mistaken.

Now, don't get me wrong, I think Cotton has a good chance to be fast tracked, but I don't believe for a second this is a process that anyone can do as you have claimed.

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Perthworld  
Earlier this year

You're right, the fast tracking fee is for visa applications. Cotton's situation has had political intervention (albeit too slowly for the beginning of the delayed NBL season) so that would explain the Wildcats confidence now.

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Hoopie  
Earlier this year

KET, I reckon Delly is more dogged and tougher but Mills is quicker and more agile

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Jeff  
Earlier this year

Definite inclusions:
Ingles
Mills
Simmons
Landale

Second group:
Baynes
Creek
Humphries
Kay
Delly
Cotton


Kay and Cotton rate better than Maker and Thybulle. They just have that much more experience when the game is at critical point. So what you are in the NBA. There are that many NBA players and imports who have come to NBL and ended up crap. The standard of the NBL these days is a lot higher that what it was in the early days. Nowadays imports can be expected to be role players. In the past they would be the volume scorers.

Cotton's outside shooting would be a priority for Goorjian as he said he's gonna focus the team around Simmons.

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Anonymous  
Earlier this year

The American is a step closer to becoming a citizen, after receiving a Distinguished Talent Visa on Tuesday, and lodging citizenship paperwork this week.

The visa was delayed for months after Cotton refused to travel overseas, which was part of the requirements to receive a new visa.

Instead, he was "detained" at government offices until the new visa was issued.

“You're just sitting in a room, they explain it to you,” Cotton said.

“I guess for legal purposes you have to be detained for a visa to be cancelled.

“I literally just sat in a room by myself for about 10 or 15 minutes.”

Cotton said it is not clear how long the rest of process will take, but he’s hopeful of being available for the Tokyo games in July, something he had never dreamed of being able to achieve.

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Perthworld  
Earlier this year

That's correct, I mentioned it a while back on another thread but no one was interested. They wanted Cotton to leave the country so he could reset his visa - get this for a joke- during COVID! Derp, typical inflexible government red tape. No change to the policy was made so BA tried (but they are useless) and then the Wildcats got a local MP to contact the new federal immigration minister to resolve the impasse. Our tax dollars at work.

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D2.0  
Earlier this year

Thanks for posting that, anon. I did wonder what the holdup could be, given he supposedly applied way back when.

Yeah, Bizarre government bureaucracy. He lives in Perth with his spouse and child, but no, in the midst of a global pandemic we want you to leave the country and come back.
He should have just travelled to Canberra, they seem to be on different planet, so that should qualify.

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Anonymous  
Earlier this year

"That's correct, I mentioned it a while back on another thread but no one was interested."
Yep that's because we don't give a shit. All off season long it's been the Perth mantra "when Cotton naturalises" Guess what as I said many times wit for it to happen. I am happy to wait until it happens again. For the first time in years actually progress has been made in that regard. I guess the 'political' intervention helps.

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D2.0  
Earlier this year

It's intriguing to see who they will go for as a new import, and who makes way.

You could make a case for just about anything, especially for a potentially one-off short-term contract.
A starting PG, and move Norton to the bench to back up the 1 & 2.
Another combo guard to cover the 1 & 2.
A 2/3 to start instead of Blanch, and provide more outside shooting.
A 4 or stretch-4 to start, and take the strain off Wagstaff.
A genuine 5 or even another 4/5 to allow Mooney to move back to starting at PF.

That last one was apparently the plan with Plumlee, but has that been superseded by developments?
Trev has often preferred more of a 4/5 at Centre, and when he's had a genuine 5 they have tended to play less minutes.

It's hard to say, because if you look at the starting 5, our biggest need would be another big for the front court, currently I'd say a Stretch-4, and keep Mooney at Centre.
BUT if you look at depth, we have plenty at the 4. Sure, that depth isn't yet of the highest quality, but it is there.

I suppose it's "good" news, in a way. Getting hold of a quality import, at the right moment, getting them into the country, through quarantine, and qualified for finals, is going to be far more difficult than usual. So it may well be a case of WHO is available, rather than WHAT.

As for who goes, that's going to depend on who we get.
I'd say that White, Bairstow, and Jervis all fit the "placeholder" category.

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Mobbin  
Earlier this year

Any solid imports already in the country? Could go a try out, give that player exposure for next season/job, before option 1 gets outta quarantine.

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Anonymous  
Earlier this year

No depth at 4 if travers goes back to his normal 3/2.
Wagstaff is the only 4.

Bairstow was a bad pickup because shervill at 3 has been enough to fill in for Steindl.

A 1 will take away from cotton,

Need a athletic stretch. 4 who can rebound and defend. Someone atleast 6'8

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Anonymous  
Earlier this year

6'9 Paul Reed from the g league fits the mould.

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Anonymous  
Earlier this year

Yoeli childs would be good too.

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Anonymous  
Earlier this year

Cotton's application might take a couple of years. You see, a typical citizenship application takes around 2 years from application, Cotton just only applied.

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Cram  
Earlier this year

Cotton's situation has been tough, but he's far from the most affected by visa issues during covid.

With the partner visa (which we used) once the visa has been approved, you have 3 months to get to Australia, otherwise it lapses. Covid has led to people not being able to activate their visa and having to go back to square one (after paying $8k) while wait times which were already at least 8 months for a decision are now up to years. Sometimes this means couples or seperated for all of that time.

Forgive me if I don't feel tooooo bad for a professional athlete not getting special treatment while other families are left in limbo

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D2.0  
Earlier this year

^err no.
For starters, nobody is saying feel bad for Cotton, nor do we really expect anyone to feel bad for Perth being knocked down a peg or two.
It's just frustrating that we lost Kay, Terrico, Martin, Plumlee, and Jook, and have only managed one Good replacement.
And that Perth banked on Cotton naturalising and becoming their Marquee.

The difference between this and an ordinary situation, is that for most people once they have their permanent visa, Citizenship is really only symbolic. And it certainly doesn't effect their workplace or their workmates.

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Cram  
Earlier this year

Citizenship is far more than just symbolic.
It affects your ability to access certain services, such as HECS. Having an Australian passport makes travel much easier for people from a lot of developing countries as well as not having to renew your resident return visa every 5 years.

It can also affect ability to be employed within the APS or stand as a candidate in an election.

Again, Cotton has had a slight delay getting his visa. This is nothing compared to those people who are in limbo, either overseas or away from partners.

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Anonymous  
Earlier this year

Citizenship just gives you the requirement to vote and to do jury duty. Citizenship, no thanks.

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Cram  
Earlier this year

Sure, if you're not interested in the other things I mentioned. Good for you.

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Perthworld  
Two months ago

Probably not enough time to be naturalised for this NBL season, but it's good news for the Boomers if the Olympics do go ahead.

Latest word is there in all likelihood won't be enough time to sign an import after citizenship goes through due to the nine game rule.

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Anonymous  
Two months ago

Fans around most of the country celebrate as their chances of finishing top 4 get a big boost

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Anonymous  
Two months ago

Gleeson was quoted on ABC radio today that they wouldn't be recruiting another import.

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Anonymous  
Two months ago

You can bet your bottom dollar that the Cats are not ruling out recruiting a new import at this stage.

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Anonymous  
Two months ago

I'd love nothing more than Bryce to become an Australian then sign as the franchise player for Tasmania

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Anonymous  
Two months ago

Which wont happen...

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Zodiac  
Two months ago

Can't happen he's still got another 2 years to go on his contract with Perth after this season.

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Anonymous  
Two months ago

Not that he's the player that Perth needs, but is Plumlee still in the country. And if Perth already have player lined, Gleeson won't be lying saying they're not recruiting anyone.

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Anonymous  
Two months ago

No. Gleeson said they won't be signing another recruit. I take it to be the truth.

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Anonymous  
Two months ago

That's what he wants other clubs to think. He ruled out signing a third import in 2019 but also had an import recruited in case they wanted to pull the trigger.

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Perthworld  
Two months ago

An import already being in the country would certainly help with the tight turnaround between citizenship and the nine game minimum rule.

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Anonymous  
Two months ago

Oh well I guess Gleeson then will be simply known as a liar.

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Anonymous  
Two months ago

Bolden is a local.

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Anonymous  
Two months ago

He's not lying. He's just holding his cards close to his chest.

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