EXCLUSIVE: Former Brisbane Bullets big man Will Magnay is set to join defending champions Perth following his brief NBA stint as long he can receive a clearance from the Bullets, who own his contractual rights. #NBL21 https://t.co/Y01fXwcp3K— Matt Logue (@mattlogue7) May 4, 2021
Wow here I was thinking the rumours were just that.
Question though, if you were Brisbane (a genuine playoff contender why would you help the Wildcats?
If you help the Cats you get some money but make it harder for yourself to win.
If you block the transfer Magnay may not play for them anyway or ever again, and they are no worse off than they are now.
Question is if the Bullets block it would Magnay play for them? If yes, the money is not worth it.
Depends on the health and minutes Magnay can play.
Bairstow would be released... if he can start and play solid minutes
Jervis would be released... if he's off the bench, saving for the playoffs and Bairstow continues to start but lower minutes.
Travers is a future talent, White is the only "solid" bench PG and Swaka Lo Buluk is being moulded like Dech so may not want to lose him.
They have the right to stand in his way, he was a contracted Brisbane player, was allowed to leave, normally an nba out clause in most contracts but if nba contract is stopped his original contract takes precedent. If Perth want him and Brisbane are willing to part with him for a fee, alls good. I just can't see how he can get to Perth without a release from Brisbane.
If Magnay is a shot at the boomers he needs to play. I think when you look at how 36ers treated Creek,, behaviour like that is not looked at well by players.
That's what really matters in all this. After that disastrous own goal by the Sixers owner in 2018 it's been obvious players/agents within the NBL have been steering clear of the Sixers and going elsewhere, not to mention all the players that have since left the club. The Sixers are still paying for that shocking decision for the most part being forced to recruit players outside the NBL system.
The Bullets obviously have seen all that play out and would be mindful of that in terms of potentially hindering their recruiting over the next few years especially without the Boomers carrot to dangle and Lemanis departing. At the moment the Bullets hold the cards so they'll continue to dig their heels in until the Wildcats make a buyout offer they're happy with and then will just release him and move on.
That's what really matters in all this. After that disastrous own goal by the Sixers owner in 2018 it's been obvious players/agents within the NBL have been steering clear of the Sixers and going elsewhere, not to mention all the players that have since left the club.
I would agree that it was a black mark on the club but haven't they demonstrated that they can still recruit talent?
If the club / GK were such a turn off why would Giddey come here if he could have gone anywhere? Illawarra, Cairns, Brisbane would have provided equal playing opportunities and for much more credentialed head coaches.
* I have excluded Pinder from that list at the risk of angering some people but he is 'OK'.
Why doesn't he want to go back to Brisbane?
Wonder if Brissy want him?
If you sign a deal you really ought to honour it - if Brisbane want him back he can’t complain at them blocking him from joining the opposition.
If Brisbane don’t want him, then fair play, get some cash and let him go. It wouldn’t be right to not want him but deny him to the opposition.
Why would Brisbane not want him. They are only a few wins out of 3/4 spot playing less games then teams above them.
I really think that's this is what it will come down to.
Brisbane will tell him they want him back therefore won’t sign a release to go elsewhere.
I’m also questioning why his agent would want him to before the olympics? Potential injuries and also if he doesn’t play well after getting out of isolation could hurt his return to the big dance.
Look at what has happened to adel....
Brisbane Bullets would be stupid to give Will Magnay to Perth! Haven't they won enough already?
If I was Brisbane keep Magnay, because Brisbane are not out of the race. Phoenix are dropping games, Illawarra are inconsistent and Sydney have their own injuries. Anyone’s game. Bullets also have an American import coming out of quarantine soon.
An unhappy Magnay at Bullets if he's not at Wildcats, or a an unhappy Bullets if he is.
Now if there is a player or 2 at Wildcats whom the Bullets would want, and who would be willing (?) to go, could there be a trade included?
Cotton would be an even swap and impossible to think of, but think of Blanchfield and/or Steindl (both Qlders, (not that that's important, now-a-days) and money.
Magnay, long-term, I'd fight for, day and night. But if destined to be back in NBA next year, no. Get what I can for him now, with a view to next season. Either and/or both of them (and some money towards a starting import PG) would strengthen Bullets' local contingent and they are both absolute powerhouse scorers off the bench.
Starters would be:
SF: BJ Johnson(if retained?)
C : H0dgson or Froling
Bullets bench would be:
Cadee, Wigness, Drmic, Steindl, Blanchfield, Harrison + Froling or Hodgson and Robateau. Krebs, Jones, and Dalton probably gone.
For the Wildcats, Mangnay is a tremendous boost for their ultimate goal. For the Bullets, it would be a fairy tale come true. Even if good enough, the other genuine contenders are too settled to lose a series against a flyer, which is what Brisb would be in that case.
But, with no Magnay, anyway, and with Steindl/Blanchfield in for next year and money in the till, could be a win/win?
Brisbane beats Perth in NBL 2022 GF series as a result!
I get sick of Perth taking advantage of their members. No wonder they keep winning, money and greed!
By far Perth have the most expensive memberships in the NBL. They have no concession options for students and members with a disability. They need to support all supporters not just rich people who can go.
This why the NBL made a massive mistake bringing in another Melbourne team. Phoenix barely get 4,000 spectators to their games. If the NBL considered another Perth team then the members who can't afford Wildcats games could go and see the new team with affordable prices.
Bad Santa reporting tonight that "things have soured with Brisbane."
Wow, what a surprise, Brisbane taking negotiations 101 from Adelaide.
Heartening that they're pissing off a local Brissy boy, probably to the extent he won't consider playing for them in the future.
A few things to remember, this was all rumours but now has been reported in multiple locations so this is far from rumour now.
Perth are basically guaranteed finals, Brisbane need to nearly win out, He is putting off surgery so Perth can basically manage his minutes, Brisbane would need to drive the wheels off him just to make finals.
His wages would be high and they already have Sobey as their marquee (im pretty sure) so would have to pay all of it as well as cut a player. Perth can use their open marquee spot and move Jervis out which, from all accounts, was the plan for when Bryce got citizenship.
I think Brisbane need to cash out or they are paying a high price to potentially miss finals.
Surely Magnay wouldn't be quarantining in Australia if something hadn't already be worked out.
Reports would seem to indicate Magnay is most likely signed to Perth. Brisbane is therefore likely to receive a set figure out if it due to Magnay's agreed contractual clause (which they wouldn't have got otherwise).
The interesting subplot in this story is what effect Magnay's presence will have on Mooney, who has been outstanding at the 5. Mooney was of course signed to play the 4 spot so the result will be intriguing.
Can't help but consider Magnay's rim protection, on paper at least, looks like a significant upgrade for Perth and it must be considered his time in the NBA (and G-league) will have helped develop his skills.
Disgrace players can't stay in their contracts. I agree.
Perth won’t make it past in the semis hopefully. They have been inconsistent. Bryce Cotton is wearing out.
Melbourne United have been better in the regular season. Tomorrow’s game will be interesting to see how the Wildcats react. Can’t wait, I’ll be attending.
There is no trades in nbl. Part of perths cost is the usual cost of things in Perth, esp stadiums etc. He won't play at Brisbane again, so cash out. As others have said the club wouldn't want to ruin there reputation aka Adelaide. In terms of Perth or United, hopefully he sees Landale as a threat to his boomers spot and elects to towel him up on another team not join him.
If Brisbane want him to play in Brisbane and he says "nah I want to play for Perth" it may go sour but that's the player pulling a kawhi and being unreasonable.
If Brisbane can’t fit him, then they should do the right thing and cash out instead of denying him an opportunity- even if it makes Perth better.
No reason for it to be sour if everyone is reasonable.
"What part doesn't make sense?
Is it the part about how contracts work?"
The part where you expected Magnay to honour his contract because that's what he'd signed up for, but then suggesting if Brisbane don't want him then they're still entitled to get paid out. I've never signed a contract that has such a one-sided flavour to it.
" if Brisbane don't want him then they're still entitled to get paid out."
Because they are entitled to if he wants to play for another NBL side, that's how the contract works when they let him leave to pursue the NBA.
“ I've never signed a contract that has such a one-sided flavour to it.”
He signed a multi year deal which the Bullets let him not play for them part way through to pursue the NBA - what part of that is one sided?
I entirely believe that you haven’t signed an NBL contract though.
You’re really struggling to understand stockstandard contractual terms which most players would have in that scenario, at least those that are expected to receive NBA opportunities.
Yes landale is ahead of him in the boomers, so isn't the best way to push your case for the boomers by outplaying the guy ahead of you? If he was to "towel" landale up then it would further his case, if he plays next to landale does it help his boomers cause. Yes Landale is a better player, towel up was an expression
His wages would be high and they already have Sobey as their marquee (im pretty sure)There are two marquee spots this year.
Perth can use their open marquee spotIf Perth have no marquee players, they're either horribly underpaying their players or they're incompetent. There's no way nobody on that team is earning more than 100k.
Looking at the schedule, unless Magnay can play for United this Saturday he can't play 9 games for them and quality for playoffs.
MU have their 28th game on Saturday, 8 left after that. Perth play their 27th game on Sunday, 9 left after that.
Based on that, with Magnay 9 days into quarantine and not getting out till Sunday, MU can't take him into the playoffs, but Perth can.
Got to love how arrogant Perth fans are but not a real surprise with the wank of a coach they have.
Magnay disgruntled seriously how old is he they gave him a chance to go to the NBA he did sfa in the G league and now comes scurrying back to Australia.
The Bullets out of principle should say no and make him for - fill his contractual commitment but they won't as they are piss weak.
The other two way player the Pelicans had Naji Marshall is playing solid minutes goes to show Magnay isn't that great.
Norton on a multi year deal from last year when we had Kay and Martin so wouldn't be on marquee deal. Blanchfield maybe but he didn't come over as a huge signing.
I remember the talk of Froling leaving Adelaide for big money and Hodgeson a quality Aussie big so either could be Brisbane's second marquee. And the way Lemanis throws Cadee into every Boomers squad I wouldn't be surprised if they overpay him.
[Based on that, with Magnay 9 days into quarantine and not getting out till Sunday, MU can't take him into the playoffs, but Perth can.]
Where are all the anons who always claim everything from the fixture to the colour of the seating in stadiums is rigged in United's favour?
Seriously though, it should be based on weeks til playoffs.
Norton on a multi year deal from last year when we had Kay and Martin so wouldn't be on marquee deal.That's not how marquee status works. It's not written into the player's contract, because it doesn't affect them at all. You just nominate one or more players as marquees with the NBL. You can change this at any time, even mid season.
Seriously though, it should be based on weeks til playoffs.Why should it?
"Where are all the anons who always claim everything from the fixture to the colour of the seating in stadiums is rigged in United's favour?"
I am certain that if the league knew Magnay was going to be available at this point in the season they would have back-ended United's games to allow him to qualify.
What do you think about United only leaving Melbourne once in the past three months?
Magney will sign with Perth by Friday as I stated earlier in the other thread. The Bullets and Magney will get a resolution done.
Another note Perth are hopeful Nick Kay is homesick and will strongly consider returning to Perth. For Kay it's a tough choice .
Kay will be one of the marquee's at Tasmania. Perth can’t afford him and Cotton. I would not be surprised if his mate Norton followed him there. Of course the euro clubs could offer more for Kay, in saying all that his stats are down this season though his team have had a much better year than normal. They have avoided the spoon quite comfortably, which is not normally the case.
[I was being facetious LV. But answer the other question about Melbourne's lack of travel. You ok with that?]
I'm OK with the NBL Cup idea, and it made sense to have the first one in Melbourne. Although as I've said on here, my suggestion is next year host a dual city event with two hosts.
The biggest issue is over saturation- they used the cup to extend the season. 36 games is too many.
The fact that United are after Magnay makes me dislike them even more if that is even possible.
They don't even need Magnay, they are winning with their current line up.
They wouldn't even be able to give Magnay minutes commensurate with his skill set.
They are really only after Magnay to prevent Perth from getting him.
[He still hasn't addressed the fact that United has left Victoria once in the past 3 months]
4 times you mean?
Feb 5 Brisbane (3 months ago today)
Feb 10 Wollongong
Mar 19 Sydney
April 4 Cairns
Theyre also going out of Victoria 5 more times in the next month, including 2 trips to Perth.
"My understanding is they are with exception of NZ whose home was Victoria during that period."
NZ switched their homebase to Tassie at the start or April for six home games. I would have made logistical sense for Melbourne to be at least one of those games in Tassie but nope, the Breakers had to return to Melbourne to play them there twice.
The Brisbane Bullets can offer the following statement in relation to Will Magnay:
"The club can confirm that it has today released Will Magnay from his Standard Player Contract with the club.
“Will has chosen to return to Australia after his stint in the US and we expressed our desire for him to return to the Bullets' but he has indicated that he wished to pursue his career with another team.
“While we are disappointed that he will not return to Brisbane, we are also not going to stand in the way of him playing basketball and wish him well."
Quarantine in Sydney is no certainty he doesn't catch covid in there, now that would be a great laugh, have Perth blocked flights from Sydney yet as Sydney are back under restrictions due to an out break.
No travel restrictions from Sydney yet that I am aware of - which is slightly surprising for McGowan. He's usually pretty quick on the trigger.
Note also that some previous travel restrictions have been applied retrospectively, so even if Magnay makes it to Perth it doesn't necessarily mean that WA won't still force him back into quarantine over here.
Does he have to be in the arena to qualify as playing a game or can he just suit up in his hotel room and put his name on the boxscore? :p
Putting aside retirements and Cam Oliver heading back.
Kay & Newbill?
We almost lost Matt Hodgson to the Opt Out, but thankfully for Australian Basketball, the NBL and the Bullets he came back despite his myriad of contracts offered internationally.
If you add Newbill to the list then we would also have to add a whole bunch of good imports that did not / could not return.
"Note also that some previous travel restrictions have been applied retrospectively, so even if Magnay makes it to Perth it doesn't necessarily mean that WA won't still force him back into quarantine over here"
You would hope that the fact he's already in quarantine would allow some sort of safeguard that he wouldn't have been exposed to the Sydney outbreak. Put him in a hazmat suit, wrap him in bubble wrap, coat him in Sanitizer and fly him on a private jet just to be on the safe side.
Technically Bairstow was signed as an injury replacement for Majok.
Jervis was a very last minute addition when it became clear Perth would not be getting an import .
Jervis for me becomes the odd man out.
As for backup centre Perth would get by when Magnay rests slide Mooney to the 5 spot
Koberulz can count.
The article states Magnay signing brings total player group to 15 including development players.
Majok is not part of the 15.
How does the the injury nomination work?
Is one player on the outer or can it be different players in any given game?
Norton, Cotton, Blanchfield, Mooney, White, Steindl, Swaka Lo Buluk, Jervis, Wagstaff. Last I checked that was 9, plus Majok that makes 10.
Travers, Shervill, Britt and Ferguson are development players.
Bairstow was signed as a injury replacement, therefor is not on the roster.
So yes, they have been playing with an empty roster spot all year. Maybe get your facts right before talking shit.
Thanks for coming to my Ted talk
Why not just explain that properly in the first place instead of getting a boner because you possibly got the chance of providing koberulz wrong?
So if Bairstow is an injury replacement, and Magnay is the nominated replacement player, does that mean Bairstow need to make way?
Bairstow wasn't signed as a nominated replacement player. He signed in the available spot as Majok was out with season ending injury... Replaced Majok but not as an NRP, so that's 10
Magnay has actually signed as an NRP. Which means 1 player must sit out every game he is going to play in. This can be any full roster player (so exc DPs) and different ones for each game
NRPs have been used by clubs to "hold onto" players through the season in case of injury... Melb, Syd and Perth have done it before.
Ok I predicted on good sources he will sign by Friday but Brisbane and Magney came to a resolution in good time.
I also predicted Kay will consider a return but it's a long shot and only a 30 percent chance. Kay will only CONSIDER a return to Perth
Ok anonymous then the Melb United 17/18 championship was a * year as they used the NPR on Carrick Felix almost all season right? Sydney had Taylor for most of 2019/20, but lost that one. Does Perth winning in 2018/19 with one less import then permitted get a bonus ! ?
If you read the espn interview he did perth seemed to be front runner for every reason other than money.
Yeah, I'm assuming the above is the transcript of Olgun's podcast, in which among other things he cited reasons of
- a team that actually has a need for him at his position;
- being able to ease back into action rather than having to be 'the man' straight away
- a team that is likely to go deep into the playoffs so he gets plenty of playing time
All of which sounded pretty well thought out to me.
He clearly understands that this stint is unlikely to be the start of a long relationship, and doesn't want to drop his own agenda of personal development for the sake of an NBL team's short term goals.
Looking from his point of view (which not many seem to be doing here) I think he has found a pretty good situation.
If your team is in a position to get stronger of course you do it, you dont sit there and go "oh that wouldnt be fair to the Melbourne United team so we better not sign him" Those claiming it puts an * next to the championship (should they actually win it) are just jealous of the success and smarts that Perth have.
Start of the season many were counting Perth out with how weak their lineup is, so going off that really there is no problem adding Magnay anyway.
From that article in The West linked above:
Perth have signed Magnay as Nominated Replacement Player which means they won't have to permanently remove anyone from their roster.
But his arrival means Jarrad Bairstow will have to sit out matches unless another player is injured, given he was originally signed as an Injury Replacement Player for Majok Majok.
Ultimately who Magnay replaces shouldn't matter too much, as he should effectively take all of Bairstow & Jervis's combined minutes anyway.
But yeah I do feel bad for Bairstow, who worked his way from nothing to a starter in a top-2 team.
After the inevitable Bullets release and United ownage the haters had to come up with a new negative angle, this time about Magnay's weight. They're always inventing something new as their fear of us winning yet another title manifests through their posts. What will they think of next?
If your team is in a position to get stronger of course you do it, you dont sit there and go "oh that wouldnt be fair to the Melbourne United team so we better not sign him" Those claiming it puts an * next to the championship (should they actually win it) are just jealous of the success and smarts that Perth have.The problem isn't signing him, the problem is signing him without releasing anyone else.
But if its something they cant do then the league wouldn't allow it Koberulz, it kind of goes back to the first sentence where if they aren't breaking any rules then why should they drop someone? The NBL would be telling them they cant keep the current playing roster and add Magnay if they dont drop someone.
And Louzada was within the rules as a next star, but nobody had an issue complaining about that.
The NRP rule basically allows the cashed-up teams to stockpile players, while the poorer teams have to go looking whenever the have an injury they need to cover. It's bullshit.
The fairness to the rule isn't in question though, you should have a gripe with the NBL not the Wildcats for that matter.I've had a gripe with every single team that's abused this loophole, and I'm not going to stop now just because it happens to be my team that's doing it.
The NRP rule basically allows the cashed-up teams to stockpile players, while the poorer teams have to go looking whenever the have an injury they need to cover. It's bullshit.
I would be concerned if that is preventing other teams from finding a replacement.
Has any other team 'gone without' because of stashed NRPs?
Cairns have simply played King more + injecting Jordan Ngatai.
Sydney have given Hunter and Moller more opportunities and has been a bonus to see them flourish and got Weeks with no fuss.
Adelaide's IH injury has seen a boost in McVeigh minutes and thats been a positive for the team to see his improvement.
Losing Bairstow for extended periods means Froling has flourished.
In each instance the gap has been filled by the next person up within the team and for the most part has seen an improvement of play from the replacements.
I don't see any team missing out and fielding a starting 4.
Koberulz fair enough, personally feel though that your gripe needs to be aimed at those who made the loophole possible (The NBL). I dont see it as abusing the loophole, I see it as a club/business doing what it takes to produce the best possible team it can in any circumstance.
In theory isn't the mechanism of a salary cap intended to avoid rich teams stockpiling?
Problem is there are tons of extra parts which semi defeat the purpose by allowing rich teams to get who they want anyway - at a luxury tax expense I suppose.
I would be curious as to what each clubs spends and whether it’s possible to close the gap between bottom and top without driving top talent away en masse.
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