Brainiac
Years ago

Junior Games locations U16 Div 3s

Just looking at the BSA Schedules. The Div 3s are playing games in locations that just dont make sense... There are lots of strange ones and this is just one example....

Norwood vs Woodville at Morphettvale on a Thursday night!!! Surely they can schedule these games elsewhere conisdering both these teams are based so far away from Morphettvale???

http://www.sportingpulse.com/comp_info.cgi?c=1-3-0-98693-0&a=ROUND

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Cat in the Hat  
Years ago

The lower divs have never played a true home and away schedule. This is especially so in U16 because not all stadiums are available on a Thursday night.

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Who, what, where  
Years ago

St Clair Rec Ctr and the Marion Leisure Ctr also included for district games for the upcoming season.

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Anonymous  
Years ago

So the other stadiums are full. Out of all the games around the place there would be a game with at least one of the teams based down South or, more likely both teams based down South. Look at the schedule and Switch'em.

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Anonymous  
Years ago

Junior basketball is doomed if U16 div 3's from Norwood/Woodville are sent to play at Morphettvale. Who in their right mind would travel mid week at 14 and 15 years of age to the end of the earth to play a game in Div 3?

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mimas40  
Years ago

#459

IMO that is a naive opinion on how it works. AT Div 1 level we can play a full home and away schedule. In the lower divs, especially in u16 low divs on Thursday, it is complicated by the fact that not all stadiums are used. Norwood and Mavs, for example, can not have any home games at all in these divisions. Because of the limited court availability, Morphett Vale needs to be used on Thursdays. But you can't just go switching games around so that only the Southern teams play at MV unless you are offering them a home game every week. If BSA did that, there'd be a whole different bunch of clowns on this forum getting their knickers in a twist about the unfair scheduling.

Arnott is damned if he does and damned if he doesn't.

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Anonymous  
Years ago

I remember playing Thursday's and playing every game at Athol Park. Didn't matter what teams were involved.

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In the Know  
Years ago

Full draw now out

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Jack Toft  
Years ago

There are some VERY strange "home" stadiums - this is a friggin joke BSA!

Don't you want people to play ball anymore?

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In the Know  
Years ago

What you mean?

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Anonymous  
Years ago

I think Jack means that BSA have disregarded the distances people have to travel to play. Netball has a central venue for all its district games therefore equaling out the distance for everyone and enjoys a popularity that surpasses our beloved game.
Unless we find a way to make junior basketball travel friendly support will dwindle.

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Cat in the Hat  
Years ago

#502

How does netball having a central venue for all games equal out the travel time for all? It actually means the teams fromo uter areas are disadvantaged, because they have to travel long distances every week.

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Out in the Sticks  
Years ago

It continues to make me smile when I read posts saying Morphett Vale (yes its 2 words not 1) is sooooo far away to play at. Used to take 20 mins to Marion and Pas maybe 30 to Wayville when my kids played to get from MV. If their courts are the only ones available so be it. Do you hear constant gripes about Tiger teams having to travel every other week- they just are used to it and do it. Adelaide is NOT such a huge city that distance is a main hinderance. I do agree that its difficult on a Thursday nite to get down south by 6-15 and it may seem silly those 2 teams having to travel but as I said, if thats the only court available just do it! The use of other stadiums is a step forward and I would have thought getting more people playing the game is the most important thing? I know Soccer families that travel from South to North each week to have games, we have been spoilt too long by thinking we still live in a 20 minute city- its getting longer from A to B. But please dont refer to MV as the sticks, maybe Aldinga and Sellicks!

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Jack Toft  
Years ago

Just to clarify, it would be different if everyone travelled to a ten court stadium in centre of Adelaide, but when Mavs "home" games are a Wayville, Centrals "home" games are at Hillcrest and Norwood "home" games are Morphett Vale, then something is seriously wrong.

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PK Mum  
Years ago

Does anyone recall that the Morphett Vale stadium is having the floors ripped up at end of November/ beginning of December? Maybe this is why they've scheduled Southern home games early in the summer season - there probably won't be a MV stadium until well into 2010, knowing how things ALWAYS blow out when you undergo renovations to anything! We all know about the reno job that was supposed to take three months and took six!

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hanging round  
Years ago

Maybe BSA are trying to prove a point to clubs that don't want to follow their suggestions.
Regional Comps mean less travel, so travel now Whinge now and we will win??

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Anonymous  
Years ago

BSA is a joke

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Anonymous  
Years ago

Cat,
It equals out for most teams in the following way. If Centrals were playing Southern for example and Centrals travelled from Gawler to Morphett Vale and in the return game the reverse would apply. In a central city venue like ETSA Park each team has less distance to travel to play.
The further away you live the further you have to travel, yes, but you don't ever have to cross town and do further distance. It works , do the sums.

hanging round,
regional comps in a town of a million have as much chance of success as ice has of surviving summer.

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Anonymous  
Years ago

It doesn't equal out at all.

If the venue is centrally located, say at Wayville then those people living in the area or playing for a local club never have to travel.

Those people living at Mt Barker or down South, have to travel 30 - 45 mins every week.

Also what happens to club canteens which are a vital source of income for most clubs?

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Anonymous  
Years ago

Yes those living further away travel the greatest distance as it should be. Stupid to include rural areas in a district competition and expect urban dwellers to meet the costs of that decision. Doubly stupid to start games at 9.45PM on a Friday night for 16 year olds in these locations,Gawler, Morphett Vale and Mt Barker.

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Anonymous  
Years ago

So instead of starting the game at 9.45 which is 15 minutes later than usual, we should start the first game at 6pm so the game can be started at 9.30pm like usual. This obviously than open up the likes of what are you thinking for us to be at xy for a 6pm start through peak hour traffic .....blah blah blah.
Do any of you stop to analyse the whole night or only just your own little world.

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juno93  
Years ago

#694 - MV and Gawler are not rural areas, and even Mt Barker only just makes it. Why don't we just start a comp for anyone who lives within 10k of the city centre.

Also I'm sure 16 year olds can handle the late finish on a Friday night, or would you rather they be tucked up in bed with a nice warm cup of Milo?

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Anonymous  
Years ago

live in those areas and you can represent SA country- rural.
But you guys must be right and everything is A ok

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juno93  
Years ago

You can't represent SA country if you live at MV!

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Anonymous  
Years ago

Or if you live 15 mins South of MV you're still Metro.

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Yokle  
Years ago

But if you live the wrong side of the main road in Heathfield you are. Which is closer to the GPO the half of the metro area.

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Metro Girl  
Years ago

Forget this "Mt Barker is country" stuff. Mt Barker is about 30-35 kms away from Adelaide.

Gawler is about 35-40 kms away from Adelaide.

It takes longer for me to get to MV than it does to Mt Barker, purely because of the traffic.

The fact you can live in Mt Barker and waltz into a country team as long as you can pick up a ball is a loophole that must be closed. Mavs play in the metro comp so why are we still happy for kids in Mt Barker to qualify for country?

Both Mt Barker & Gawler should be considered metro locations.

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Anonymous  
Years ago

One reason against having either team Central or mavericks in a district comp is distance. When BSA remove their blindfold they might realise a major flaw in their competition is the distances involved to play. Both centrals and mavs also struggle to consistently field teams at div 1 level in the district comp at every age group which is another flaw and has a negative impact on timetabling.

Neither club have a development strategy with mavs having recruited from other clubs for their temporary strength and centrals unable to recruit ostensibly because of distance and a lack of near country networking.

Magic got the rough end of the pineapple from BSA mainly because they didn't have a development strategy in place and went for a wobbly woodville instead on the misguided belief they do.
There are too many teams in district basketball and too great a distance between them for it ever to gel in its present format and merging several clubs would be a positive step.

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Anonymous  
Years ago

Anon2117
Mavs div 1 sides finished second in boys and girls at state champs. The 14 girls have just finished 3rd best club side in the country. Those who believe there is no development strategy at mavs are blind. Players have moved back to the club because of prefering the development.
Mavs are here to stay and will only get stronger, I see they have also increased their team numbers this year. There is a lot of good things happening in them hills after regrouping, just ask the kids and their parents.....all are happy.

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Anonymous  
Years ago

Two tall girls teams in U 14 and U 16 in the season just concluded did well. Once these pass thru your system it will revert to the old status quo - ziltch!
If you have a development structure its well hidden and creating teams from other clubs hard work is not development.
We need to have this discussion in a decade when you can field teams across each and every age group at Div 1 level and have div 2's to support them.

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Anonymous  
Years ago

Anon2117, I like how you don't let the facts get in the way of a good post.

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Jack Toft  
Years ago

Anon 2117,
I have said it before many times on this forum. The average Adelaidian is spoilt when it comes to travel. Try living in a typical Australian mainland capital city where a hour drive is normal. Unfortunately, there are too many softies who grew up in one suburb and now live as adults in the same suburb, or within 5 km of where they went to primary school. C'mon, you guys know you live in a bubble.

For many Adelaidians, a long trip is a trip from Glenelg to Burnside Village to chase down a bargain.

The issue with the BSA comp is that there is not enough far away teams. The VJBL teams regularly travel to Geelong, Bendigo and Ballarat for games - shock, horror !!

Imagine if there was a true state comp and pulled in country association teams. Fancy teams like Murray Bridge Bullets, Great Southern Slammers, Willunga Wildcats or Barossa Settlers getting their act together and regularly putting teams into the comp. If that was the case, then the company car would get the miles up then!

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Anonymous  
Years ago

Jack, go live in those cities then and enjoy the travel

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Jack Toft  
Years ago

Yes, unfortunately have for a short period of time with work - gave my mother an excuse to brag to the old Hackney High mums.

You need to get out of Adelaide to make you appreciate Sleepy Hollow

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Anonymous  
Years ago

Anon 2117 look forward to discussing further in 2019, but then again the sleepy hollow may actually grow...how will you cope with that! Mmmmm think they call it progress, not in your vocabulary...check the dictionary.

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Anonymous  
Years ago

It's an interesting argument that we should embrace distance as a necessary and vibrant part of a maturing city as opposed to ensuring that the quality of life we enjoy and the lack of travel and distance remains one of the fundamental draw cards Adelaide has.

Creating solutions that don't diminish the quality of life style and certainly don't turn us into the traffic quagmire that Melbourne and Sydney residents have to endure should be paramount.

BSA have created a competition spread to the extremities of the city and beyond which is ridiculous. It's a long way from progress to excuse poor management for 80 km round trips to play basketball.

If you country folk want to play basketball in the city, you do the drive weekly instead of enjoying your cake and eating it too.

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Really  
Years ago

Ballarat, Geelong and Bendigo are Cityies of over 100K people.

Hence they are able to sustain teams. Murray Bridge, Great Southern and Mt Barker together can't even do it across all grades.

Rediculous argument.

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Anonymous  
Years ago

If you can't fill a full comp with Div one teams then that club is not sufficiently developed to allow them automatic access to Div 1 spots. We must eliminate Div 1 byes due to teams not being fielded by any particular club and to be honest it is more likely to be from Centrals or the Mavs.!!

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Jack Toft  
Years ago

206,
We should aim for no Div 1 byes. You can't have kids that live in one area that should be playing for one club go to a different club.

Why do some kids (ala parents) prefer to play Div 2 when they could play Div 1 at a neighbouring club?

I would like to see a zone approach in Adelaide, but I know that would disadvantage some clubs so can't see it happening

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Anonymous  
Years ago

It seems that the success of the mavs is starting to worry a few clubs, wasn't of concern while they were out of contention...every div 1 side boys & girls (U12 to 18's except 18 girls) have finished in finals over the past couple of years...better results than a lot of clubs. Add to that finishing 2nd in boys & girls state champs div 1 this year. An extra 4 teams entered this season. A good result for basketball. Getting their house in order without worrying about what other clubs are doing or running them down.

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