Isaac, care to elaborate on the last section for me regarding where it says 'New players or players returning to the NBL' does that mean some of those have been signed up by teams already? If thats the case have the clubs announced the signings? or am i way off?

Isn't 7 a bit high for Majok???
Didn't seem to do too much last season

SRT - I believe that relates to people who did not play last season but who have requested a ranking so that they can be considered for a team this year. Players contracted for multi-year deals hold the rating that they had when first signed.

For those too lazy to look it up, here is the report card on the 36ers:

A Ballinger - 10 (under contract as a 10)
E Shannon - 10
C Winder - 9
T DeVries - 9
R Howard - 9
D Johnson - 8 (under contract as a 6)
D Ng - 6 (reduced on appeal from 7)
J Holmes - 6
B Hill - 6
R Carter - 6
N Herbert - 5 (reduced on appeal from 6)
A Bruce - 5
J Dowdell - 4 (reduced on appeal from 5)
M Creek - 3 (under contract as a 1)
T Daly - 1

I think Herbert and Bruce represent good value there.

Other persons of interest who have been bandied around on here as potential Sixers:

R Dorsey - 10
L Schenscher - 10
C Williams - 10
P Sanders - 9 (good value)
A Gibson - 9
D Martin - 9 (tried to appeal his ranking but got nothin')
O Forman - 8
B Madgen - 6

A skeletal Sixers squad at this stage could look like this:

PG: ??? / A Bruce (5)
SG: ??? / D Ng (6)
SF: B Hill (6)/ N Herbert (5)
PF: A Ballinger (10) / ???
C: L Schenscher (10) / D Johnson (6)
Dev: T Daly

For a total of 48 (out of 70), with two imports to come. If those imports are both a 10, that is a total of 68. That gives us slim pickings for the final rostered spot as there are not too many 2 point players giving valuable regular contributions to any team.

Seems the Sixers hands are tied again this year if they want to make wholesale changes. But I am sure the coaches will get all of the blame anyway.

You left out Creek so add on 3 points and now you can't afford 2 imports??
If they can get a good PG import they may be better of just using Daly and NG as the backup PG instead of Bruce to save the points for a backup PF

Helliwell will get no love considering he remains stuck at 8 points...we may have seen the last of him...

correct Anon like Tom Abercrombie is rated at an 8 but was signed as a 1

Are they going after Madgen??
Very good addition if possible.

They can't really have Hill, Creek, Ng, Herbert and an Import SF/SG

Import PG and SF with Madgen, Creek, Hebert and Daly would be good.
Import [Ervin :)] / Daly
Madgen / Herbert
Import (Dorsey/Sanders) / Creek
Ballinger / Holmes or Dowdell
Luke / Johnson

Dowdell 4
Creek 1
Daly 1
Balls 10
Schens 10
Johnson 6
Import
(3 man)10
Herbert 5
Import
(1 man)10
Martin 9

66

I'm happy. Or did I miss something. Maybe dollars?

how does it work- the breakers are (by my calculations) at about 70 and that's for only 6 players that I counted- how on earth can the whole team return?

also- who is kevin johnson (on the new/returning players)- he is a 10?

The point system is what the players would be if signed by another team NOT that players current value in their team i.e if they are signed as a development player they would be a 1 and would retain that value as long as they stayed there regardless if the point system rates them a 7 now.

Are my interpretations correct?

ok anon- slight error on my part- answer the question otherwise don't comment at all.

KingJames - As far as I understand it, a player holds the rating given by the league for the duration of the contract.

If this understanding is correct then an example would be Mitch Creek (signed for 2 years as a 1 point player).
If he becomes a free agent, his points rating rises/falls to whatever the league system allocates, but if the team continues to extend his contract before it expires his points rating should remain the same.

I thought it was a 50% discount for staying with your original team?
No longer valid if you leave and come back, ie Ng, Holmes

This is the only discount I could see in the rules on the NBL website.....
4. Rookies

All Rookies, have a PPR of 1 point for the purposes of their first NBL player's contract.

The following rookies will be assigned a PPR of 3 points for the purposes of their first NBL players’ contract:

a) A player on scholarship with the Australian Institute of Sport for two years (seasons)*.

b) An Australian commencing with any NBL Club after a minimum of two years (seasons)* in the US College system.

*If the player returns for a second season this will be deemed to constitute two seasons, even if the player does not complete the second season.

So next year Creek would be re-rated and 36ers would have to pay full points, I guess

The Breakers' nine likely returning players rank at 74. However, Abercrombie, Pledger and Webster all signed their current contracts when they were effectively rookies and are still on the same points ratings they were at that point (which I think might be Abercrombie 1, Webster and Pledger 3), which means the Breakers are on something like 62 points with one place to fill.

However, I hear that Lindsay Tait, BJ Anthony and Leon Henry are the favourites for that spot although a little may depend on Abercrombie's movements.

Helliwell is still contracted and therefore may be permitted to appeal his rating if released from the contract.

Found this from 7 years ago but not sure if it is still valid,

Loyalty Points
1. Any player with an External Rating of 6 or above who has represented the same NBL Club for a minimum of five consecutive seasons shall have his External Rating reduced by 1 point provided he continues to represent that NBL Club.
2. Any player with an External Rating of 6 or above who has represented one NBL Club for a minimum of ten consecutive seasons shall have his External Rating reduced by 3 points.
3. Any player who has represented the same NBL Club for a minimum of ten consecutive seasons can also transfer his Internal Rating to any other Club.
4. A player, other than restricted (import) players, commencing his career with a club shall never have an Internal Rating greater than 5 while he stays with that club. If the player chooses to leave that club, he will then be allocated his External Rating (unless he qualifies under point 3 above).
5. Players rated between 1 and 5 externally at the conclusion of the season may retain their 'original rating' (i.e. the rating they had when they signed their first NBL contract) provided they re-sign with their original club before a nominated cut-off date each year. The nominated cut-off date for the 2007/08 season shall be 26 March 2007

It's not. That was done away with when BA took over.

Changes for NZ then!!!
3, 10pt players, Penney, Wilk, Braswell
2, 9pt players, Vikona, CJ
1, 8 Aber
2, 7 Pledger and Boucher
total 70 for 8 players

Need to dump an import, CJ or Boucher to get points to fill a team.

I assume they had Abercrombie as a 1-3pt player last year

I noticed Neil Mottram's name on the list, does this mean he is interested in coming back?

who is kevin johnson?

Aussie Bballer, NZ are only on 62ish for 9 players because their young guys are still in the same contract they signed when they were 1s or 3s, so they will be able to return the same team.

I doubt Tom Abercrombie would be on the same contract he signed as a rookie player. If he is he needs to seriously consider changing his management. I sm sure his $$ are not reflective of a rookie contract

Here we are discussing points and player values and why? Its not like we will get who we ask for cos as we saw last season, by the time the coach made his decision, everyone had basically been picked up leaving us with raw talent. But I am happy to say, lets go for 8 players with 5 points then aim big.

That way, at least when we get to a 14 point lead in last term and lose, its fair to say we have talent that can play 3 quarters but struggle in the last to close out the game.

2nd unit players all have lower scores, 1st unit had higher and which unit did better and played their heart out? 2nd unit. Hence why 5 point players are better than 10's

Well then Jake, you are sure of something that isnt true. Abercrombie signed a three year deal at the start of the 09-10 season when he stepped up from being a development player. He has one year to run (unless he excercises his Euro or NBA out-clause) and is still rated a 1 I believe, and his money is nowhere near what he would get on the open market, though moving up along the three years of the contract.

Little bit off topic, but in the article on Abercrombie 2 days ago, he said that "He will never play for another ANBL team other than the Breakers"

I like that committment; great to see. They gave him a lifeline when he had a rough time at College at was ready to throw the towel in.
So he is rewarding their faith in him by staying loyal to the club.

Plus tom is a nz boy, why would he want to play for an aussie team. Now, this thing about points being related to when you sign a contract- if tom signs a new deal with nz (whenever his contract is up), does that mean he then moves to a new point value or does he always retain the original rating?

The way i see it is that if Tom signs an extension BEFORE his actual contract expires then he stays on the same points rating, however if he decides to test the market and then come back to New Zealand even though his contract has expired his rating would have changed to the one stated above.

so if i understand that correctly we can have our team from last season, minus eddie shannon, but + nathan herbert and 3 10 point players!

wouldnt herbert + 3 10 point players give us a chance to field a killer team??

now, all we need is to find 3 10 point players that want to come here.

kevin johnson was signed to play last season but was injured early. or was it the year before?

i cant remember which team?? maybe one of the qld teams??

Is living in Adelaide , I hear.
Saw him training with Adelaide 36ers.

My understanding of the points rule is that if you re-sign your players before the free agency period starts they keep their point ratings if they wait or the team waits until after that they are signed on there new rating. I think this helps teams keep players that they have help develop just like Goulding at Gold Coast I think he is only a 1 point player. Paul might know more.

MACDUB , heard the same comments years ago, re bradtke, cat etc...

end of the day money will dictate where a player plays (look at CJ) they have a very small window of oppertunity to maximise there income in what is a very short career

That's my understanding of it too Big Sexy. At the moment the league gives clubs a window to re-sign players at their current ranking.

I am not sure if that lasts beyond one contract though. For example, can Gold Coast sign Goulding again as a one point player if it does so before the deadline? Or does the rating get updated at some point regardless?

Thomo, most of the Breakers get paid to play in the NZNBL on top of what they earn with the Breakers along with the benefit of living in NZ (their home) and getting paid reasonably well to just play basketball. That is how guys like Pledger and Abercrombie deal with not getting Kirk Penney's Salary.

camel31, who are you talking about?? kevin johnson??

Thomo, also there is only one NZ team and as it is the Breakers are based in his hometown (north shore). He literally grew up playing at the NSEC.

Bradtke and that moved on because no matter where they went, they were still playing for an Australian team, so they were still being loyal to their 'country'.

Kevin Johnson - Saw him at sixers training onetime.
A friend of Eddie Shannon. Played HSH n living in ADL.

Mayor of Sacramento?

Appeared to be playing forward in an experienced Mitch Creek kindofa way.
Don't think he's a fan of C.H. Williams.

For those that know, how would Kevin Johnson go as an import in our league?