It's called zero tolerance, my friend, and some refs will always mis-use it.

Actually anon #29236 ..

Both teams were warned early about talking to the ref's and bad language ( Sh*t, F*** etc ..) Wilson was talking a fair bit .. so im not surprised about the tech and its speed !

Best one of the night was Krause who was tech 'd after a time-out because Ben McDonald (he and his dad reffed) wanted to give him an un-sportsmanlike foul but he ran off to the huddle before he could get to it.
Krause asked him what it was for .. as did Sapwell and McDonald said .. " you got away from me with that last one ... i should have got you 2 mins ago .. that is what it was for !! " ... KE ????

Pretty poor .. it is sad when a referee tries to become the focal point of the game .. He tried to dominate both coaches and some of the players with game stopages and team warnings that were superfluous.
Lift your game !

I think it's spelt Benn...

Get off the guys back. At least he is out there doing it. We need more people as dedicated to the game as Benn and the other officials!

All you faceless people. At least Benn and his dad our aout there trying to help the game.

Who did the reports get put in to last year? What action was taken.

I believe after an incident in a junor game Benn was counselled concerning his behaviour.

I do not think you should post about referees, but has a referee posted about a coach or player on this forum? Has it all been positive?

The complaints were put into the referees director and no action was taken, what a surprise!
Stand to be corrected but think it was Sturt, West and Easterns mens teams.

Agree wuth anon.
From what I've seen of Benn, perhaps Old McDonald should take his boy back to the farm.

Well faceless person, there was no referee director for a lot of the ABA season last year and Nathan Durant assisted, He would have had to hand it over to the Referees Commission or the Referees Coaches. Perhaps it went to Colin Thompson and it got lost in the paper war in his office. I believe he has a report of a coach acting poorly towards an official after a junior game and guess what no action has been taken just like the Norwood players who we reported for the incident at the Norwood carnival.

For what it's worth, I reckon Benn's a good referee. We can't all be Earl Strom. Give the guy a break.

refs need to learn there place and forget living there lack of game through umpiring and penalising those who have game, im sure with a lot of refs its a case of bitterness in some regards as to not being able to play at a high level. that whistle is like a gun to a police officer, its there little piece of authority.

Getting all negative at the Refs again folks. I'll try and bring some positives back in. Basically the first time the Refs of the South v Mavs Women's game were noticed was when one had to go off with a Nose Bleed. Besides that little incident, hardly noticed them and isn't that waht they are supposed to be there for. Hardly heard a bad word from either group of spectators. Well done Alex & Peter (oops Paul!)

jezza - its attitude like that, that spawns negativity through our junior ranks. You cannot categorically pigeon hole ref's like that! Especially ABL level umps.

I started umpiring because i wasn't happy with the standard, and i endevour to help junior umpires, not because of any bitterness, or lack of game. Alot of umpires i know are in a similar situation.

Sounds like you take the refs for granted, without them, there is no game. It takes alot of balls to become a top level ref, ignorant people like you simply couldn't hack it. Stop being so ungrateful, grab a whistle and prove me wrong.

so do you honestly go into a game not disliking any players? its human nature to turn against someone who is attacking you and that is exactly what some ref's not all do in our league. nathan wielan, wayne, phil, filmer, are some that spring to mind that do a good job of keeping there own feelings/thoughts aside from the game but there are many who dont which tends to upset the game and the players.

jezza, some refs are baller, not many, but some.

Dr D, "without them, there is no game" not entirely true...there aint no refs in pickup... but i still feel ya.

I am writing this post to set the record straight....

I have not been disciplined after officiating junior games. The only time I have ever been disciplined was as a player after an U20's game back in 1997.

Just wanted to set the record straight.... and a warning - be careful what you write.. it does get seen!

I do my job because I have built the skills over 16 years of doing it to do it well and to do it fair.
Not to make friends.... If players and coaches wish to 'play the referees' and throw their weight around on the court and get frustrated, I will do what I feel I need to do to keep the game under control and let it be a game of basketball.

In fact, the two people I gave Technical fouls to on Saturday night are two blokes that I have high amounts of respect for... I have known them for many years in Basketball and have played with and against both of them. In fact, I respect all sports people no matter what team or sport the play in. As I understand the high stress levels involved in attempting to gain success.

And hey, I am the type of guy that goes onto the floor and it is business - and it is kind of like when I played, some games are better than others... but whatever the case, in the last 4 years of my officiating I believe I am developing and continue to develop in such away that no matter how I am officiating, it is fair and consistent - that way the game is never effected.

Oh, and I also am one of those types of people that understand when the game begins and ends and when it is business time and social time.

GUYS....
I don't mind if you wish to talk about my Technical fouls or what you think of my officiating - hey good on you for getting on this site and showing how much you love your sport....

BUT BE CAREFUL WHAT YOU WRITE.
DON'T WRITE LIES about any sort of action that may or in this case may not have been taken.

Regardless of all of this which has been said in this thread I would like to challange all players involved in Basa to undertake a referee's course (level 0)
I believe there is no cost and SA needs more officials working games. At the very least it would help players to understand what some of the refs are thinking on the floor - to me there are very few new officials coming through apart from young children... what are peoples thoughts on this - Is any Aba players game to go out and try there hand at a under 12's game???

Bennnnnnnnnnnnnn

Too bloody right, Benn. This whole post started out about Cameron Wilson, and then denegerated into a referee/Benn McDonald slugfest. Dude - stick it to 'em, find out who these people are, and get revenge out on the court. Every 50/50 call should go against them for at least the next year.

Yes folks, I'm kidding.