philly
Years ago

Top 10 Australian Basketballers of All Time

Would like to get everyones opinion on the Top 10 Basketball Players of Australian Origin. Just to get it going here is my list:

1. Andrew Bogut
2. Luc Longley
3. Andrew Gaze
4. Shane Heal
5. Patty Mills
6. Chris Anstey
7. Mark Bradtke
8. Brett Maher
9. Luke Schenscher
10. Matthew Neilson

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Anonymous  
Years ago

try doing it by position

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Jerry Denard Jr  
Years ago

Where are the pre-1988 players?

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Anonymous  
Years ago

Lindsay Gaze
Kevin Sugars

btw anyone who doesnt have Andrew Gaze at number 1 is kidding themelves

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The Situation  
Years ago

Yep, Schenscher is better than Vlahov.....

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The Cheese  
Years ago

Patty Mills should be no. 1 followed by Andrew Gaze

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alexkrad  
Years ago

If you dont have Andrew Gaze as number 1, start again.

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Anonymous  
Years ago

Eddie P
Phil S

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Vart  
Years ago

Andrew Gaze clearly number 1, daylight second.

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Vart  
Years ago

Need to dig a bit deeper into the history books. Need to include guys like Ian Davies and Eddie Palubinskas. Also, there is no way Schenscher makes the list. Vlahov and Dave Andersen are two guys that immediately come to mind before him. Sam Mackinnon too. Heck, even Tony Ronaldson would be higher on the list than Schenscher.

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Big Sexy  
Years ago

Lauren Jackson

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curtley  
Years ago

making the nba does not makes you an automatic selection.

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Vart  
Years ago

Jawai is also better than Schenscher.

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Vart  
Years ago

Aleks Maric is better than Schenscher.

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Big Sexy  
Years ago

Lauren Jackson

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Big Sexy  
Years ago

sorry for the double post,

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Vart  
Years ago

AJ Ogilvy is better than Schenscher.

I guess the moral of the story is, there are A LOT of players much better than Schenscher. I can't believe he even came into top-10 consideration.

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natwhereyouat  
Years ago

Schenscher??? *shits pants instantly*

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Vart  
Years ago

Even Ben Pepper was better than Schenscher. Big Luke may not even be on the top-10 list of Aussie bigs!

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Vart  
Years ago

Paul Rogers....yep, better than Schenscher.

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natwhereyouat  
Years ago

I don't believe he is a top 10 Aus player, but I'm interested to know where people put Newcastle Falcons guard Michael Johnson in the list.

The guy has to be one of the most underrated NBL players of all time.

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The Situation  
Years ago

Luke Nevill is better than Schenscher.

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Vart  
Years ago

Aron Baynes, Ray Borner, Larry Sengstock.....all better than Schenscher. I'm gonna stop now, this is getting embarrasing for poor Luke.

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paul  
Years ago

"The guy has to be one of the most underrated NBL players of all time."

Agree 100%.

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Raichu  
Years ago

I can't even believe big ginger made the nba
Sean Marks is better then Luke Schensher and he's gotta Ring!

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KB3  
Years ago

not going to list an order apart form gaze at #1
Names that would have to be in top 10 discussions

Gaze
Heal
Bradtke
Longley
Palubinskas
PSmyth
Bogut
CJ Bruton
Linde
Blicavs
Maher
Borner
Vlahov

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Anonymous  
Years ago

Andy Blicavs?

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HO  
Years ago

Extreme sexism here fellas. To only list males in this discussion possibly means you have broken a number of laws!

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Choppy Galopy  
Years ago

Kyrie Irving should already be top 10 tbh.

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DB5  
Years ago

HO Lauren Jackson is a male?
Careful could be defamation there..

;)

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HO  
Years ago

I recognise that some have mentioned Jackson....

But you probably need to all start with definition of what makes you the "best" basketballer. Philly's definition seems to be that they played in the best male league!

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HO  
Years ago

Michael Johnson was an extraordinary shooter. He deserves to be considered. Played defence a little like Gaze.. (pretty much an afterthought)

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budgie  
Years ago

Gerry Donard was better than Luke

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YouknowME  
Years ago

Luke Schensher isnt anywhere near.

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Anonymous  
Years ago

it is difficult to compare bogut and gaze considering they have played in different leagues. If you want longevity then it has to be gaze but if bogut played in the nbl he would have pretty good averages and a number of mvps as well.

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Anonymous  
Years ago

hahaha you listed Schensher but not Vlahov. Delete thread.

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Anonymous  
Years ago

Bogut would have gone nuts in the NBL

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natwhereyouat  
Years ago

Kyrie Irving? The kid may have been born in Australia, but doesn't make him Australian.

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Anonymous  
Years ago

Paul Rees is better than Schensher

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YouknowME  
Years ago

Anyone who mentions schensher has to be kidding. He was absolutely woeful for the first half of last season... and merely servicable at the end.

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Anonymous  
Years ago

Andrew Bogut is clearly number one. The guy was in the All NBA Third Team. Andrew Gaze was nothing more than a bench warmer in the NBA.

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Vart  
Years ago

Apples and oranges Anon^

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Anonymous  
Years ago

Gaze by a mile.

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Not talking down Lauren Jackson. She is obviously one of the 2 or 3 best female players on the planet ever BUT the question was Top 10 Australian players.
Which one of the players in the list is Lauren better than?
I guess another way to ask the question is how would Luke Schenscher have gone playing against Lauren's opponents. She is not a better player than any of those guys.

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psycho  
Years ago

Heal, Maher
Gaze mills
Vlahov MacKinnon
Bradtke Nielsen
Bogut Longley

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orbit  
Years ago

I'm glad someone mentioned CJ. He's def in my top 10! Brett Maher no mention? He has a good argument!

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Silencer83  
Years ago

Would Schenscher even make the Top 3 South Australian born big men behind Bradtke, Ronaldson and Rogers and that isn't even including everyone's favourite centre Joe Ingles :)

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Anonymous  
Years ago

Danny Morseau

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Anonymous  
Years ago

David Stiff is better than Schenscher.

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YouknowME  
Years ago

Andrew Gaze
Andrew Bogut
Shane Heal
Chris Anstey
CJ Bruton
Patty Mills
Sam Mackinnon
Brett Maher
Andrew Vlahov
Joe Ingles



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Choppy Galopy  
Years ago

Hey speaking of David Stiff, who were the two American imports many years ago when a young a david and Knox Raiders won SEABL?

Technically Kyrie Irving is as much Aussie as me.

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YouknowME  
Years ago

Til Kyrie Irving pouts on a boomers singlet hes no Aussie in my eyes.

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orbit  
Years ago

Ronno born in SA? Not to my knowledge!

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psycho  
Years ago

Ronaldson was born in Adelaide

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Rhythm Willie  
Years ago

Has Luke ever even played for Australia?

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psycho  
Years ago

Think he played in goodwill games many years ago but not any major tournament

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HO  
Years ago

whaleoilbeefhooked

What makes you the best basketballer? If it is mainly about making your team better, and giving it the best shot at being a winning program, then Lauren is our best basketballer, by so far its not funny. She does that in the best league in the world. None of our male players have ever done that to the degree she does.

If its sheer game brain, its either Harrower or drewy.

Of course it could be other things as well. I am just unclear on what makes you best.

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YouknowME  
Years ago

If we were talking men and women Lauren Jackson would win by a country mile. But were not. OK, if she was playing vs these men she would likely be contained but shes not and her achievements have to be seen in context. She is the Australian player to have the biggest impact for her team, She probably is the most succesful Australian player of either sex.. However is she the 'best Australian player' overall? No, because guys much further down the list would probably walk all over her. There is good reason why men and women dont play in the same pro leagues. Lauren Jackson definitely deserves all the credit she gets however, if any woman could play in a mens league and compete it would be her.

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Anonymous  
Years ago

"Has Luke ever even played for Australia?"

Was a member of the Boomers team that won eight straight games at the East Asian Games in 2001 beating China in the final with Smyth as coach.

Also he was the first person to play for the Boomers whilst still in high school.

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Step back  
Years ago

Does this include naturalised players? If so how about leaping Leroy, Ricky grace, and Rob Rose?

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Bear  
Years ago

Since Ricky Grace, Leroy Loggins and alike are actualy inducted into the Australian Basketball Hall of Fame, I am guessing they qualify for inclusion as potential top 10'ers...

More to the point, you will find quite a number of our Opals in that list of players, so I tend to also agree with the point of view that if we are going to discuss the top 10 of all time we need to quantify it better.

Maybe two lists, one for Boomers and one for Opals if we can't agree on actual qualification status based on gender.

Otherwise let's come up with some parameters, that may help solve some angst out there?

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Anonymous  
Years ago

At International level Phil is way in front of Brett.
Daylight actually. At his peak Smythe was considered one of the greatest amateur guards of the world. (judged by many European programs)

And remember in the same time era the Boomers were getting top 8 finishes.

Interesting most of these posters are aged under 30 I think.

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Vart  
Years ago

I agree Anon. Phil definitely still has claims on being Australia's greatest ever point guard. I love Hammer, he's definitely one of my favourite players of all time, but the first time I thought he actually played like a point guard for the Boomers was in 2004 at Athens. Up until then he really was a short shooting guard, or 'combo' guard as people like to call them now. Essentially Australia's greatest ever backcourt, Gaze and Heal, were two 'combo' guards by today's standards, just one was tall and the other short.

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Anonymous  
Years ago

Eddie Palubinskas and Ian Davies.Unquestionably.
Gaze. Heal. Longley.Anstey. Morseau.
Some of the other players listed are a joke.
Joe Ingles, no way. CJ is a great NBL player undoubtedly but thats all. Same for Ronaldson.Rose and leroy again great NBL players but done nothing on the world stage.

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Anonymous  
Years ago

There are two criteria that matter:
1) At their peak, how impactful was the player
2) Consistently impactful over an extended period of time

Bogut is clearly #1 by the first criteria - at his peak a premier player at his position.

By the second criteria, Gaze is #1.

By the end of Bogut's career, we will know whether he his the clear #1 against both criteria.

But this being Australia, we have a 3rd criteria:

3) Top bloke.

They are both top blokes!

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Rick  
Years ago

For greatest Australian basketballer the criteria must be impact on World Basketball and performance for Australia at Senior World Championships and Olympic Games.

These are the guys who are able to hold their position in Australian colours and shine when playing against the world's best. Must be guys that do things playing for Australia or in the NBA where you jump out of your chair, shout and dance around only to be embarrassed when your wife/partner/girlfriend looks at you in dismay/disgust.

1. Andrew Bogut (by the length of the straight) It matters not whether he plays again. He is already there because he is the first and only Australian to be a important starting 5 player in the NBA and he has been there for 8 years.

2 - 5 Andrew Gaze , Shane Heal, Luc Longley, Phil Smyth

6 - 11 Mark Bradtke , Pat Mills , CJ Bruton , Ian Davies, Chris Anstey, David Anderson

I have not included Eddie Palubinskas as he was just before my time. I did see Eddie play an exhibition match (he was probably 40) and it was evident he was sensational.

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Vart  
Years ago

Rick - firstly, the logic of your NBA argument is completely flawed, and secondly, I'm pretty sure Luc Longley can lay claim to being the first Aussie to be an 'important' starting five player in the NBA thanks to his three championships as a starting centre on arguably the greatest NBA team of all-time.

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wer3r3  
Earlier this year

Why isnt Ben simmons there

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robt  
Earlier this year

Hi wer3r3 and your 2 mates, Rick wrote above,
"For greatest Australian basketballer the criteria must be impact on World Basketball and performance for Australia at Senior World Championships and Olympic Games." For the best-of-the-best award, I agree.

Simmons doesn't have a tick in ANY of those boxes, yet.

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Anonymous  
Earlier this year

Ian Davies

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ME  
Earlier this year

It's going to be Ben Simmons, and then daylight. Followed by

Andrew Bogut
Patty MIlls
Andrew Gaze
Joe Ingles

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Anonymous  
Earlier this year

Jury still out on Simmons, Long way to go, injuries curtailed Bogut out put and Simmons getting a few as well. Back injuries can be disastrous. At present imo, Bogut, Gaze, Mills. If Bogut keeps playing crap his real good memories fade so people won't remember how good he was.

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