Or you could encourage players who don't make a div 2 team to stay at that club and show some loyalty. Instead of taking the easy option they can work thier tails off and make d2. In the mean time they would be playing D3 and there would be an uneven d3 comp with 50 point thumpings being a weekly occurrence. The only way the comp would benefit from your idea is if kids/parents had no club loyalty, and changed clubs based on what team they make. Encouraging taking the easy option instead of working hard and improving. If you ask me, that's not a benefit at all!

What's in the best interest of the competition in Adelaide is if clubs actually took some responsibility and were accountable to their members for their junior program. Stop winging and sooking about it. There have been the same problems with the same clubs for many years now and it amazes me that the circle continues to repeat itself. This is not cyclical people. Back in the days when players just turned up to clubs/trainings you could argue that population density may have had something to do with success. Fast forward many many years and parents and players are smarter in where they spend their money and invest their time. People will travel for a better service. A very small number of clubs have recognised this and provide a pretty good service to paying members but that majority are run by nice people who have a self serving interest. If you want to get different results then you need to change your approach.

BSA will not be helping any time soon. They are muppets who wouldn’t know where to start themselves. They’ve done nothing for the clubs so take responsibility and start making good decisions for your players.

Players move clubs because they see what awful coaching they get and conversely players will stay at the bigger clubs because they know they will get better by training twice a week in a good program.

Another place to start is to stop chasing ABA success at the detriment of your junior program. It’s a terrible league and continues to get worse. What do you actually win IF you win it?

I couldn’t care less if Sturt dominated the basketball landscape in this state. They are most likely working smarter to achieve this.

What is your club doing...besides making excuses?

Answer above

NOT POACHING

^ Yes they are!

All clubs poach to varying degrees. My club always winges about other clubs poaching but now they are in a good position in certain age groups, they are doing it too.

I don't know how sturt got2 teams in 14/2 when North won 14/2 GF and in div 3 finished even with Sturt but beat them both times they played them in pro/rel. is the competitions committee devoid of any logic or intelligence??

Deliver something, and you will find there is no need for hoops talk. Otherwise, post away!

Except that North didn't nominate 2 div 2 teams and sturt did.

why should any team nominate two teams in a division where they have tried to only have one team in Div 2 at that age group. If it became clear that a team had pulled out and a spot was available the CC should have approached teams in order to see if they wanted to field a second team starting with the best team which was North.

I think this action will open up a can of worms and making grading a slower process I would recommend now that all clubs now start nominating teams in higher divisions and in particular in Div 2 and 3 put most of their requests in at those levels to ensure this type of thing doesnt happen again.

Good idea. Sounds like a full pri/rel competition.

Go with 3 x eight team comps with a max if 2 teams from any one club in a grade. Or even limit it to one in the champ grade and 2 in all others.

I hate it when the best teams and kids get to play in a level of competition most appropriate to their skillset. Force those kids to leave their club, their friends and loose opportunities by going to another club. Or better yet force those kids into another sport. The above is sarcasm.

Basketball needs to support growth and development not hamper it. Imagine telling a bunch of kids that made finals, worked hard to improve, sorry but you all are getting dropped because of a BSA rule. It's about the kids, the players, not egotistical people in admin roles stopping them from playing because they want to ensure they get their teams in div 2 or 3 that will get thrashed week in week out.

THe players need to come first!!

Woodville dropped their U14 div 1 girls team to div 2 and got beaten by more than 50 points in div 2.

In doing so a top 4 team was dropped into div 3 where they will thrash everyone.

How is basketball the winner here?

So getting back to Sturt having two Div 2 teams in U 14's when not the best Div 3 team how do we stop this happening again or do we let clubs just abuse the nomination process in a "fishing" process in case a higher spot opens up.

Sturt beat North in the last phase and therefore would have won the spot anyway.

Why apply when there was no spot available. Surely if one opens up the CC should be proactive is consulting with potential other clubs to fill the position.

maybe assume that there is always spots available and if you have the ability grade your own teams accordingly.

Surely the competition committee can't be expected to make assumptions that a Saturday morning team can necessarily play Friday nights if the club doesn't nominate them as such.

Fault lies with the club.

North is clueless. WHy whinge if you are clueless and do not nominate. Get your house in order North for the sake of everyone!!!!!

How do you know it isn't happening to other teams? Have you done a survey?

It is not just that team but obviously that's the one you're interested in. It has also happened to Woodville 12g3 who have been placed in division 4.

It does happen and I don't know what your problem with it is.

why bsa, that is not correct. ALL divisions that have pro/rel are placed by BSA exactly as you have suggested. Clubs can't just pick where teams are placed!

Are clubs to use the By-Laws or not. Seems from the above BSA has got it wrong and not North!

In U/14 Div 3 - Sturt finished top after the final pool phase - not North! So they would have gotten in even if North were not a disorganised rabble.