Anonymous
Years ago

Ben Simmons fails to make World Cup squad

https://twitter.com/BenSimmons25/status/493339208006635520

Not surprising; huge gap between high school basketball and the World Cup.

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Anonymous  
Years ago

YES! Let's neglect young talent even further! It's not like they're the future or anything!

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djmojofosho  
Years ago

This is pathetic. Fire Lemanis

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Matt  
Years ago

it will be really disappointing if a veteran like Wortho was picked over him for the final spot

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paul  
Years ago

Not surprising at all. Apparently struggled at camp, not at this level yet. He can get more experience next international season and then hopefully will be ready to make a contribution in 2016.

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rjd  
Years ago

I hoped to see Simmons in the team, but reports indicate he wasn't much of a factor in the camp. He also seemed timid in the Oceania series last year.

It seems like Lemanis might want more versatility in players who can contribute now and doesn't want to use up another spot on potential. Without seeing the final team yet, it's hard to be too critical of Lemanis given the depth of this squad. I'm sure that if Walker or Worthington make the team, with Simmons omitted, people are sure to complain, but Simmons doesn't provide the style of game that either of those guys provide.

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Anonymous  
Years ago

What does walker provide?
Simmons is an overall better player than both, the only thing he lacks compared to those 2 is strength.

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Anonymous  
Years ago

"Simmons is an overall better player than both, the only thing he lacks compared to those 2 is strength."

How many games have you seen him play?

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rjd  
Years ago

IMO Walker impressed in the YouYi series with his hustle, rebounding and athleticism. He could find himself in that pesky undersized mobile 4 kind of role that Worthington has made his own in recent years. Although unlike Wortho, Walker has been hitting the 3. I have only seen Simmons play in the junior World's a couple years ago, and his mixtape videos, so not really enough to compare, which is one reason I hoped he was performing well enough to be selected!

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Beantown  
Years ago

Unless you were there to watch Simmons play in training camp, I think its foolish to criticise Lemanis over this. The guy is an experienced and successful coach and I'm sure he is well aware of what Simmons is, or is not capable of. If he didn't make the team then he probably isn't ready!

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Anonymous  
Years ago

Has anyone watched simmons play at Monteverde or all of the prospect camps.
He was MVP in all of them... A potential 2016 number 1 draft pick.
To say a player is better over another because of a few days training is ridiculous.
Although not a starter, he definitely would have contributed at both ends of the floor.

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Anonymous  
Years ago

I would have taken Simmons just to sit on the end of the bench and for the experience.

Wortho looked shot the last NBL season. He will not be around for the next Olympics so why not take Simmons who will be a top 3 NBA pick in 2016 in time of the Olympics.

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Anonymous  
Years ago

Maybe it's strategical and he doesn't want to hurt his draft stocks by sitting on the bench or being outclassed against the best national team basketball era in the world.

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Steven  
Years ago

It's a shame he didn't make it but not the end of the world. I hope Broekhoff makes the team but have a gut feeling Wortho will make it.
By the time 2016 rolls around expect Simmons to not only be ready but potentially starting

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LC  
Years ago

I'm with Beantown. Lemanis is a pretty astute coach.

Simmons is still a boy amongst men. I still would have taken him as 12th man, however I think this points to Jawai and Motum in the final 12, and Broekhoff getting a gig.

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Anonymous  
Years ago

For goodness sake he is a 17 yr old boy, he should not even be considered for this level of competition. The fact he is obviously shows he has potential but he is not ready for this yet, people wanting lemanis out because he did not choose to put a child into a mans team need a reality check. Get a grip

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Anonymous  
Years ago

If your not going to pick him now what was the point of selecting him a year ago.

He may have been down in camp but the young fella has clocked up some kms the past few months.

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Anonymous  
Years ago

Hardly a boy at 6'9 105kg.
Walker is 6'8 102kg and Wortho 6'8 108kg.

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Anonymous  
Years ago

I was wrong Simmons is now 6"10 108kg.

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Anonas  
Years ago

he will have more exposure in US college ball and already dominating in some tourneys there. i think they have talked about it thoroughly with Simmon's handler and Lemanis. He's only 17 so he will more chances to join Boomers in the future

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Jez  
Years ago

If you can't tell that Walker is at this stage stronger than Simmons ... I don't know what to say. (This is not an endorsement of Walker's Boomers prospects).

It's clear that Simmons has a huge future, but as others have said he's still in HS. It's a pity he can't go to college this year given he's already turned 18.

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Mick  
Years ago

people need to stop using the YouYi games as a predictor of Boomer potential. That chinese team would struggle to win a game in the NBL and few if any of the guys on the aussie youyi teams are of international calibre.

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Mick  
Years ago

It's unrelated to this roster decision as well, but not enough is being made about the step down in coaching level from Brown to Lemanis. Lemanis is obviously a 3 time NBA champion but Brett Brown is on a whole 'nother level as a basketball mind.

I'm not expecting anything from this world cup. i think you'll see the wrong guys picked and then that team will underperform on top of that.

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Anonymous  
Years ago

And the teams Ben Simmons is going up against in high school wouldn't be able to beat an NBL team either.

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Mick  
Years ago

*nbl

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Spinner  
Years ago

What are you all on about? This is the World Cup we are talking here!..... It's not a development camp! It's about the best players right now and the development can wait for Build up series...... surely!.?

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Anonymous  
Years ago

No Wortho - didn't make it

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Anonymous  
Years ago

He may be 6'10 and 108kg but he's STILL only 17. He has years ahead of him and he's just not ready for the adult bodies and mindset at worlds.

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proud  
Years ago

Is there any chance that Simmons missed out because he wasn't passionate about playing for his country and this is the boot up the butt he needs to focus and get hungry?

6'10 108kgs... He is going to be a beast when he fills out more like his old man

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Anonymous  
Years ago

None of you are the coach.

If he isn't ready, he's not ready.

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Steven  
Years ago

With another year of high school followed by a year in college and maybe next years under19s all to come before Rio there is no doubt he will be ready by 2016.

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Anonymous  
Years ago

"If you can't tell that Walker is at this stage stronger than Simmons ... I don't know what to say. "

Right on the money my friend.

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Anonymous  
Years ago

ridiculous saying Simmons will gain experience by sitting on the end of the bench... who has ever learnt anything by doing that?

do you want your best 12 at the worlds or the best 10 and your best 2 youngsters? i think doing the latter is 'giving away' boomers jerseys...

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Anonymous  
Years ago

So why is exam there?

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Anonymous  
Years ago

Exum*

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Anonymous  
Years ago

If Simmons faced walker on a 1 on 1 situation who would win?

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PlaymakerMo  
Years ago

Armchair experts, unite!

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Anonymous  
Years ago

Exum IS amongst our best players. Especially amongst our current guards.

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Anonymous  
Years ago

Has exum proven himself by playing in the summer league?

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Anonymous  
Years ago

Exum vs Simmons shouldn't even be an argument; they play different positions. Exum's a guard - where the Boomers lack depth - and Simmons is a forward - a position with depth.

The only call I'm unsure of is Jawai's inclusion, but I trust Lemanis.

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djmojofosho  
Years ago

So what if Walker or Wortho are stronger than Simmons....big deal...it still doesnt warrant their selection over him...we know for a fact that Walker and Wortho et al wont get the job done on the intl stage anyway so why not go with Simmons.

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phillip  
Years ago

Now we will pick walker wortho or gibson over simmons, what a joke

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paul  
Years ago

Lemanis has given him every chance because of his potential, even without runs on the board at junior WC, college or club level.

He was in camp last year and got some minutes against NZ and in camp this year. Had Simmons shown he was ready to make some sort of contribution I think he would have been picked because of his huge ceiling.

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anon  
Years ago

To post on twitter before the team has been officially announced is not on and shows he is not mentally ready. I am sure the players were told not to post anything on social media no matter how excited or how disappointed they are, no one else has said a word.

As someone posted above he 'will' be good and if he had a poor camp you can't put him in the team because he WILL be good over someone who had a good camp.

So Lemanis, Longley and Gleeson have no idea what they are doing, really people?

Get behind the team as they obviously deserved to be there and give Ben time to mature as there will be plenty of time for him to shine on the International stage when the time is right.

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Anonymous  
Years ago

Andersen Bairstow Baynes Broekhoff Dellavedova Exum Gibson Goulding Ingles Jawai Motum Newley

No Wortho or Walker so you guys can stop crying now.
Simmons isnt ready, so why take him to a world cup? we are trying to medal not give guys who arnt ready a chance to sit on the pine for the whole tourni

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Anonymous  
Years ago

Theres a bit more to coaching then just picking who showed more hustle in camp imo.

A coach has to have an eye on he future unless he/she thinks they can compete for medals. And if you thought he was ready last year, a year older and better, you have to follow through with that conviction.

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anon  
Years ago

Who says he was ready last year? So what he went to a camp and did the YouYi series. He is a child with a childs mind in a man's body doesn't make him ready now? He needs to do his time as others before him have and when the time is right he will be picked and not before then.

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Mick  
Years ago

@Spinner:

Basketball Australia doesn't participate in any "build up series" where guys like Simmons can get burn.

If he's not ready, he's not ready, but whoever is getting the minutes at that position has to be able to fill it up from deep or else it's going to be a loooong world cup for this team. I like that Lucas Walker is a bit of a douche and I think this team has too many nice guys so if he's in that could be a good thing. He can't really shoot though, but at least has the athleticism to keep up with international calibre guys.

It's a shame Todd Blanchfield is such a passive non-factor in these camp situations because if he put his mind to it he's exactly what this team needs: a career 40% three point shooter with elite size and athleticism.

If only Walker could shoot it, he'd be a perfect fit, but isn't that the case with pretty much every Aussie player at the moment?

How hard is it to learn how to shoot?

I figured it out when I was 10...

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Anonymous  
Years ago

Nothing wrong with leaving Simmons out for this
There is only room for one exum or Simmons
Exum gets in because we don't have depth at pg
There is no way Simmons out plays motum or Bairstow at this stage - will be a different story in 3 years when he has more experience at elite level

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Our Game  
Years ago

Shame he's not ready, hopefully he returns with a point to prove at his next opportunity.

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paul  
Years ago

Mick, all your comments on who can and can't shoot are void until you learn how to read stats!!

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Isaac  
Years ago

Has anyone watched simmons play at Monteverde or all of the prospect camps.
He was MVP in all of them... A potential 2016 number 1 draft pick.
To say a player is better over another because of a few days training is ridiculous.
At those prospect camps, he was competing against younger players. At the Boomers camp, he was up against mostly multi-year professionals, some in their prime.

The bigs picked are:

Andersen - long Euro career
Jawai - NBL, some NBA, some Europe
Motum - did very well in the Summer League
Bairstow - just got a Bulls contract
Baynes - decent contribution on a little team called the Spurs

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Mick  
Years ago

@Paul: don't blame me, blame the people who are in charge of collating and displaying the stats. If you go on someone's profile on fox sports pulse for example, there are two different in-season sets of statistics for the current season. Go off the NBL website and it's even more of a shemozzle. Is fox sports pulse even the best place to get these numbers?

If i'm not mistaken, the last four seasons saw Waxy shoot 37% (slightly above average but not great), 29%, 22%, and 28%. He's not exactly Stephen Curry, but last season was obviously a big improvement and hopefully it's a portent of things to come and not an outlier.

Where is Walker likely to slot in? Is he quick enough laterally to guard elite wings? Is he big enough to play the 4? Can he seamlessly slide between both positions or is he in no man's land as a 'tweener who can't do both. We really don't know because he's never played top flight international ball before.

And for the record I don't have a problem with Walker's inclusion. He brings a few things to the table that no other guys will at his position (hunger, nastiness, and a willingness to actually dunk the basketball) and I think he should be a good fit.

In this day and age you can never have enough guys on a roster that can play both forward positions. There's no point in carrying too many bigs. Guys like Anderson, Jawai and Baynes can ONLY play the 5 in today's game if you want to win IMO, and they're all going to be picked in all likelihood. It's as stupid as picking three 5 foot 10 point guards who can't play off the ball. You need versatility.

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Isaac  
Years ago

Mick, team's already been announced. No Walker. Baynes, Jawai and Andersen all named.

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paul  
Years ago

I really don't know where you look Mick, but follow the links from here and the stats are right there. Click on whatever stat you want at the top and it will reorder for that category:

http://www.foxsportspulse.com/comp_info.cgi?client=0-189-0-276108-0&a=STATS&sgroup=scoring&sgstat=Av%20Pts

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Anonymous  
Years ago

Hardly a boy at 6'9 105kg.
Walker is 6'8 102kg and Wortho 6'8 108kg.

In that Case Isaac Humphries should be one of the first picked and there is a kid playing for Central Districts in the Under 14's who is 6'7", so he isn't a boy?

A kid is a kid no matter how big and will not be better than multi year pro's.

Exum is the development player on the team.
I have heard Simmons needs to be told "No" a bit as he may have made a habit of changing clubs or not making himself available when things don't go his way. Don't know if it is true but if it is, he needs to learn and understand TEAM before being handed positions on National teams.

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Mick  
Years ago

@Paul: if you access stats directly via a player's profile, there's all kinds of stupid numbers that pop up. It's pretty amateur. In future I'll make sure to go from the league wide list and not someone's individual profile...

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billy hoyle  
Years ago

Some ridiculous comments about a young man who is finding his way in the world of basketball and doing a great job of it too....ben seems to use every opportunity to promote Australian basketball he gets and is very proud of where he comes from....If you have been reading any news articles over the past 6 months you should understand that ben simmons has created quite a buzz around aussie basketball...The number 1 college prospect going into 2015 and projected to be the number 1 draft pick in 2016. Many experts said he would have gone top 10 this draft just past....
All I hope is that the kid is not so pissed off the boomers wasted his time that he actually comes back to a Boomers camp next time...

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paul  
Years ago

Fair enough Mick, I haven't looked at those, wouldn't surprise me though! Hopefully the new admin will get on top of all that stuff soon enough.

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Isaac  
Years ago

All I hope is that the kid is not so pissed off the boomers wasted his time that he actually comes back to a Boomers camp next time...
How did they waste his time? He went to camp with everyone else, tried out and they picked the team they thought best.

Giving something to someone on reputation alone is a sure way to make them complacent.

With experience comes a lot of on-court value in terms of defending individuals and teams, team structure, making the right decisions, etc. No shame in not jumping straight into a team.

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Anonymous  
Years ago

billy hoyle,

if he think attending a trial camp is a waste of time, then he is undeserving of a spot in the first place.

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Anonymous  
Years ago

"And the teams Ben Simmons is going up against in high school wouldn't be able to beat an NBL team either."

The top teams probably would be able to compete against them. Which just shows you how bad the NBL is.

"If Simmons faced walker on a 1 on 1 situation who would win?"

Simmons.

I don't know why they picked a guy like Gibson who won't be a factor over a genuine stud that can play both forward positions. I know he's young but he supremely talented and could have really given the Boomers something. And LOL at people saying Walker should be picked over Simmons.

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Anonymous  
Years ago

Given college teams usually lose to half-strength NBL teams I very much doubt a high school team would be competitive. It reminds me of the person who said NBA summer league is better than the WC.

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billy hoyle  
Years ago

It is a waste of his time from the stand point he lives in the US and flew back home to tryout for a team he probably was never going to make...I thought the whole idea of the boomers coach not coaching pro was so he could spend more time doing boomers stuff....After watching these guys all year and working with them do we need a squad of 17....just pick your 12 pick 2 reserves and roll from there...

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Anonymous  
Years ago

"Given college teams usually lose to half-strength NBL teams I very much doubt a high school team would be competitive. It reminds me of the person who said NBA summer league is better than the WC."

From memory we normally play college sides that no one has ever heard of.

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Anonymous  
Years ago

You mean like St Mary's, Vanderbilt, New Mexico and Washington State?

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Anonymous  
Years ago

Not really powerhouses but fair point.

It's still a dud league though and going into the future there should really only be players from Europe or the NBA in the team. Fodder guys like Gibson shouldn't really be in the team anymore.

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Peter  
Years ago

I think you are underestimating the experience he would have got from attending the camp in the first place, which is all part of his development.

If he is switched on enough (or his dad is in his ear like Exum's is) he will realise this and appreciate the opportunity given to him, whether he made the final team or not.

Hardly a waste of his time.

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Anonymous  
Years ago

Yeah, this will probably give him a chip on his shoulder which isn't a bad thing. Or it could not want him to be part of the boomers anymore....which is a bad thing lol. The latter is unlikely though i think.

Btw, if you want a laugh. Go to the LSU recruiting message board. They're up in arms over Simmons not being pick. Attacking other Boomers players an all sorts. It's pretty funny.

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Anonymous  
Years ago

You mean just like on here?!?!

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Our game  
Years ago

Given bens potential & that we don't have anyone similar he must hav been very out of sorts during the camp to not get the nod (remembering they can select safe dr size group they like). I know selection is a complex process but I would have assumed if they could hav selected him even for experience they would have.

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Anonymous  
Years ago

Simmons is too young when will you get that into your heads, his actions alone off the CRT clearly demonstrate that. As for him travelling to "Australia" for tryouts, that was his choice, at 17 with absolutely no experience at all except high school in America and state here, what realistically did he and his minders expect. Waste of time, I agree with the other poster who sated if he thinks it's been a waste of his time he doesn't deserve a spot at all. He needs to be making himself available for the un19 2015 worlds team, which is appropriate for his experience, showcase himself there and then continue to work hard on his game. Seems perhaps his attitude is going to be his demise if he can't handle disappointment . A world tournament is not a place you take your juniors to 'just for experience', worlds are for winning and every team member has to be accountable and reliable. Save your 'experience' tours for china japan Europe etc, where it doesn't matter if you win or loose with regards to world rankings.

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Isaac  
Years ago

He went to camp, didn't make it, was disappointed but suggested he'd be working hard to make the next one:

#grindtime

He hasn't done anything wrong. And Lemanis picked the best team based on performance and camp showing - also fine. Not seeing any drama here.

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Anonymous  
Years ago

Agree, shouldn't be bagging Simmons with some actual evidence he's not happy. After last year's camp where he came out behind Petrie and Barlow he would have known exactly the job in front of him to make the team.

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Our Game  
Years ago

"Simmons is too young when will you get that into your heads, his actions alone off the CRT clearly demonstrate that"

Which actions clearly demonstrate What?

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Anonymous  
Years ago

But it isn't the best team. Simmons should've been picked over Gibson and even Broekhoff. Despite being 17, he's 6'10 and 115 kilos. He's ridiculously talented for his size. But i guess being the best NBA prospect in the states isn't enough. Should've gone to the NBL and played against men to prove himself...right? Lol.

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Our game  
Years ago

Anyone attending the camp offered an assessment of Bens play? Pretty disappointing if there was no media there at all

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Kr  
Years ago

Seriously a quick google shows Lebron played his first Olympics at 20 and Jordan 21, so two of the best players in modern history had to wait until their twenties to get picked at senior international level at a major tournament.

Simmons will get his chance, he will no doubt surpass the players ahead of him at some stage, just not at 17.

Exums struggles at summer league after coming from playing high school and junior international level competition, should be enough proof of the huge step up to senior ball at the highest level.

He's not ready, simple as that!

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Anonymous  
Years ago

Word from camp was both young guys struggled to get much done at that standard, particularly Simmons.

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Isaac  
Years ago

'162, you're missing every point people are making.

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Our Game  
Years ago

"Word from camp was both young guys struggled to get much done at that standard, particularly Simmons."

Could reflect the standard of the team & the form of the players rather than the two young guys themselves.

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Anonymous  
Years ago

Think 162 is a bit besotted with Ben Simmons, he's too young get it!!!! Get over it

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Anonymous  
Years ago

Yes it reflects the standard of the team, they are all pros who have developed their games over time. Exum and Simmons are going to be absolute superstars but they need to develop theirs first.

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Steven  
Years ago

He gets taller and heavier with each post. Up to 115kg if you believe #162.
Was slightly disappointed he didn't make it but well and truly over it.
I don't expect alot from this team if they make final 8 that would be great.

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Anonymous  
Years ago

"Think 162 is a bit besotted with Ben Simmons, he's too young get it!!!! Get over it"

I get that he's young but i still would of put him over guys like Gibson and Broekhoff. Even for 5-10 minutes a game.

I'm generally happy with the team. Swap Gibson for Simmons and that's pretty much the team i would of picked.

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Anonymous  
Years ago

This is bordering on insanity.
Can Dave Simmons please stop posting.

Most people on here are saying the team is too top heavy and now we have #162 / 188 saying they want to swap Gibson for Simmons.
That's a 6'2" 1/2 man for a 7'5' 155KG behemoth who is apparently still growing and will be 9'2 and half a tonne by the time he got to the worlds.

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Anonymous  
Years ago

Our strength has always resided in our bigs. Delly and Exum should see most of the minutes at the point anyway.

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Anonymous  
Years ago

But i guess we needed a third pg. People need to calm down. I'm not devastated by this or anything as i still think we have a strong team.

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mystro  
Years ago

Lemanis, McLeod & Longley collectively know 1 or 2 things about Basketball, I'm sure they made the right decision in regards to the child.

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Anonymous  
Years ago

It's more of a life lesson for Simmons right now. The coaches see all the comments and pics that get posted to social media. Getting a little ahead of himself at this point in time.

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Anonymous  
Years ago

This is bordering on insanity.
Can Dave Simmons please stop posting.

Most people on here are saying the team is too top heavy and now we have #162 / 188 saying they want to swap Gibson for Simmons.
That's a 6'2" 1/2 man for a 7'5' 155KG behemoth who is apparently still growing and will be 9'2 and half a tonne by the time he got to the worlds.


You get my vote for the best post so far hahahahahs

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orbit  
Years ago

Had Martin made it everyone would have expected it was because Gleeson is on bench. These coaches know there stuff! Simmons time will come & i'm sure they've told him that!

Settle down people...

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GWB  
Years ago

This is idiotic. Has anyone here seen the guy play a full game? a few pretty highlight tapes against teenagers and you want to say he is already better then seasoned professionals? I am sure if he was 'the man' right now he would have got a roster spot. I am sick of people turning major tournaments into development opportunities... Youyi games and series against new zealand are for that bullshit.

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Anonymous  
Years ago

As was said before I think being cut will just make him hungrier and work harder. It's possibly a good thing.

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Billy Hoyle  
Years ago

Just wanted to say that the billy Hoyle above is not me, the other Billy Hoyle, a tale of two Billy's............

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sircreate  
Years ago


GWB, it wasnt hard to watch his games from the States you know.

His school Montverde streamed all there home games online, alot of the tournaments he played in for Montverde also were streamed or on ESPN. Then throw in some Nike EYEBL games which you could watch and yeah I think I saw him play 10-15 times. Just because you never bothered to check doesnt mean some of us didnt.

There's a reason why nbadraft has him going as the 2016 no.1 on there mock draft.. but that doesnt mean I'd necessarily have selected him for the Boomers team either, he's playing high school kids and his game right now wouldnt translate as well against professional adults. He can't bully his way inside like he does against High School Kids and he can't fall back on his outside shot since its a work in progress. He just not used to playing against skilled guys as big as him.

Its the same with Thon Maker, people on here here go on about why wasnt he invited.. fact of the matter he would get stomped against adults, he's just to thin.. he played against some adult teams at the Eurocamp recently and he was pushed around. His handler Coach Smith(?) recognised this and mentioned they really need to bulk him up before he could be ready for play against adult competition.

I think come Rio, Ben will be a huge part of the Boomers team, he'll have a full season of the NCAA under his belt with LSU and hopefully a top 5 pick in the 2016 draft. The kid's gonna use this to really work on his game and Im expecting big things from him next season at Montverde

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Big Ads  
Years ago

Cue to Handler stepping in:

"That's enough on the matter folks, Andrej has to prepare for a trip to Europe. Thank you".

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Anonymous  
Years ago

So if we make semis or at least 1/4 with a good performance you can't question the decision but if we struggle then I think it's a short sighted non-selection.

You see most teams in most sports make one or 2 "future" selections, unless they're defending.

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LC  
Years ago

Need to also consider we have essentially

Exum, Bairstow, Broekhoff, Motum, Goulding and even Jawai who are all taking their first steps at a senior World Cup or Olympic games. While we do have a lot of experience, half our team at this level does not.

Exum is 19, Bairstow straight out of college, while Broekhoff and Motum are only approaching 2 years out of college.

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Anonymous  
Years ago

The next olympics will be his time. I won't be surprised if he's starting then. These world championships are basically a warm up for Rio in my eyes. I don't think we're going to go too far this year but with all the young guns we're going to have in two years plus Mills and hopefully Bogut i see us definitely getting near a medal.

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paul  
Years ago

Everyone on this team except Andersen will still be in their prime (or still coming into it) in Rio, and more than half of them will still be in their prime for the 2019 WC and 2020 Olympics.

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Anonymous  
Years ago

Rio is in two years, why the hell would a 19 yr old fresh from high school and first year in college ever be looked at as a stater in any Olympic team. Ask your selves this, if Ben Simmons was playing for America would he get a staters spot or even make a team at that age? These people who hark on about Ben Simmons needs to get a grip, let the kid become a man then push his barrow. As mentioned by Paul half this team is still very young and inexperienced but will continue to improve, Simmons will get his time but it won't be now.

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Anonymous  
Years ago

Bogut, athens. 19.

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paul  
Years ago

It's possible he will start in Rio, but it all depends on how quickly he develops.

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rjd  
Years ago

Bogut's 2004 Athens starter role as a 19-year-old is a fair comparison. But remember that Bogut had just come off an insanely dominant U19 World Championship performance in 2003 when he won tournament MVP and led the team to gold. In the 2004 team, his main competition was a slowing Rogers (that was when Andersen wasn't impressive for the Boomers and was playing more 4 back then). Also Bogut was averaging about 30ppg in SEABL for the AIS a year or so before Athens.

As promising as Simmons is, he is yet to prove himself in competition above high school level. Hopefully he will be available for the U19s next year and come close to replicating Bogut's 2004 tournament dominance then go on to star on the senior team in Rio. Simmons still has a lot of opportunities to prove himself.

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Steven  
Years ago

Bogut had also played a year of college ball prior to Athens. Simmons in 2016 will be a fairer comparison to Bogut 2004.

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Anonymous  
Years ago

^

Didn't Simmons nearly average a triple double fir Bulleen last year in open competition.

And lol at saying what if he was American when no-one on this team would be considered for a spot.

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Anonymous  
Years ago

485505

"Rio is in two years, why the hell would a 19 yr old fresh from high school and first year in college ever be looked at as a stater in any Olympic team. Ask your selves this, if Ben Simmons was playing for America would he get a staters spot or even make a team at that age?"

The answer, of course, is no. But don't compare a team that would likely have someone like Paul George and Stephen Curry as their 11th and 12th man to a the potential Boomers team. It's just idiotic. Australian basketball is on the rise, sure. But right now we're not even close - realistically, our best player wouldn't make the USA B or C team.

We still have a ways to go

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Anonymous  
Years ago

"Rio is in two years, why the hell would a 19 yr old fresh from high school and first year in college ever be looked at as a stater in any Olympic team. Ask your selves this, if Ben Simmons was playing for America would he get a staters spot or even make a team at that age? These people who hark on about Ben Simmons needs to get a grip, let the kid become a man then push his barrow. As mentioned by Paul half this team is still very young and inexperienced but will continue to improve, Simmons will get his time but it won't be now."

What a silly and flawed argument. America has an infinitely better pool of talent than Australia. No one in the Australian national team would make the U.S team (except maybe a fully fit Bogut). Hell, guys like Ingles/Goulding who will be a big part of our team would struggle to make a roster in the NBA let alone the national team.

I must emphasize he COULD be starting for us. 19 is a lot different to 17 and it depends on how he develops from now to then. If he continues building strength and developing his game and is coming off of a dominant year in collage while still being touted as the number one pick then is it too much of a stretch to think he might start? As has been said Bogut was in a similar position. Simmons potential is far higher than Bogut's.

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GWB  
Years ago

USA Is not a country it would be fair to ever compare anyone else to in Basketball.. they have a monopoly on the game, they will continue to have hundreds of NBA players at any one time while every other country struggles to get half a dozen, if you compiled a world ALL STAR team against Team USA you might have something pretty competitive.. otherwise, on paper, no other team is ever close and the only reason Spain competes is due to team chemistry and continuity.

So, when asking questions like "would a 19 year old straight out of college make team USA starting line up".. the answer is blindingly obvious.. absolutely not. But we are talking about a country where you could send their C or D team and they would still be gold medal favourites. If we are going to make these comparisons we should be fair on ourselves. "Would a 19 year old straight of college make the starting line up of Spain?"... If the kid is an absolute phenomena, then potentially yes.

When it comes to him being past on now, Ben looks like a man amongst boys on his mix tape, but perhaps he looks like a boy amongst men in a Boomers camp? I am confident that is the case as I am sure Lemanis wants to win games and if Ben Simmons is 'The man' right now then he would be on the team.. no question.

The kids got a bright future, as does Aussie Hoops. I think we will be on the podium sometime in the next 10-15 years and it may be even this year with the right chemistry.

Ben will be there in Rio I am very sure, starter or not.. this is a non issue.

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Anonymous  
Years ago

"USA Is not a country it would be fair to ever compare anyone else to in Basketball.. they have a monopoly on the game, they will continue to have hundreds of NBA players at any one time while every other country struggles to get half a dozen, if you compiled a world ALL STAR team against Team USA you might have something pretty competitive.. otherwise, on paper, no other team is ever close and the only reason Spain competes is due to team chemistry and continuity."

Greece and Argentina have beaten all star U.S teams in the past so they're not invincible. I'd say Spain compete due to having three of the best big men in the game (Gasol bros + Ibaka) and a slew of great guards.

As much as it's said that this year is our chance for our first medal, i just don't see it. We don't have the talent/depth this year. I think we can go reasonably far but i think Rio will really be the first time he have the potential to medal. Our depth chart will look a hell of a lot stronger. We'll have Mills and hopefully Bogut back aswell as a more matured Simmons and Exum not to mention Bairstow/Motum etc. Guys like Bolden/Adel/Maker/Humphries would also be in the mix but some would probably be too young. Our depth from 2016 onwards is going to be ridiculous.

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Anonymous  
Years ago

Watched 4 sessions at the camp Simmons really struggled with understanding concepts... Constantly being taught which is no surprise given age

In the scrimmage he struggle with the change up d and on o settled for a lot of jump shots

Broekhoff was lights out all week, ran a lot of plays for him in the scrimmage he looked good deserves his spot

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Our game  
Years ago

'Watched 4 sessions at the camp Simmons really struggled with understanding concepts... Constantly being taught which is no surprise given age

In the scrimmage he struggle with the change up d and on o settled for a lot of jump shots

Broekhoff was lights out all week, ran a lot of plays for him in the scrimmage he looked good deserves his spot'

Love to hear more thoughts on Ben+ other players performances at camp as there seems to have been no media presence

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Anonymous  
Years ago

Anon#618 you make some good points but you are relying on a depth chart of untried and inexperienced potential, not at this stage can we judge our depth, still way too early.

The facts that we have done well recently at under 19 and under 17 world championships does give us a glimpse of the future, also our college inductees have increased and of course our NBA stocks plus Euro league experience is increasing, showing good signs.

But these kids you are presenting are still just that, I hope they do kick on but let's not put the cart before the horse just yet!

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Anonymous  
Years ago

"Anon#618 you make some good points but you are relying on a depth chart of untried and inexperienced potential, not at this stage can we judge our depth, still way too early.

The facts that we have done well recently at under 19 and under 17 world championships does give us a glimpse of the future, also our college inductees have increased and of course our NBA stocks plus Euro league experience is increasing, showing good signs.

But these kids you are presenting are still just that, I hope they do kick on but let's not put the cart before the horse just yet!"

Of course. This is all hypothetical as of now. A lot can happen in two years. I'm assuming that everyone is healthy and also the Exum has become at least a decent NBA player and Simmons has been dominant in college. Also, assuming that the younger players are starting to live up to their potential.

It's a lot of ifs but with all the pieces we have Rio is looking very bright.

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Anonymous  
Years ago

But the fact he only consistently has been competing against other high school bodies worked against him at this juncture in what no doubt will be a stellar career.

"Ben just wasn't ready yet," Lemanis said. "He will be a good player and will certainly feature in Boomers campaigns in the future.

"But he has been competing against high school kids.

"He is not far away."

The Rio Olympics are just two years away, after all.


http://www.botinagy.com/blog/fearless-boomers-have-medalling-in-their-sights/

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